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Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 12:40pm On Feb 11, 2009
Why is it that egun people from badagry speak yoruba but claim they are not yoruba. If they are not yoruba, what language is their tribal identity?. The same thing goes for aworis?. Clarify please.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by Moyola(f): 12:42pm On Feb 11, 2009
Dont mind them jo! tongue
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 12:43pm On Feb 11, 2009
Seriously, do they have a language of their own?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by dayokanu(m): 4:15pm On Feb 11, 2009
The Egun have their own distinct language though most Yoruba

Have you watched Egun news(Lin-lin) on LTV before? I bet no one understands what they are trying to say.

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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by bgees(m): 5:11pm On Feb 11, 2009
the egu are not yoruba, but the aworis are.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 10:22pm On Feb 11, 2009
The Egun have their own distinct language though most Yoruba
Ok

Have you watched Egun news(Lin-lin) on LTV before? I bet no one understands what they are trying to say.
No; I no get time for that kin news. cool cool
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 10:42pm On Feb 11, 2009
the egu are not yoruba, but the aworis are.
How come some aworis claim they are not?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 4:50am On Feb 12, 2009
A lot of people do not have accurate information and knowledge about their indigenous land and ethnicity. This is partly due to the syllabus of tutoring in our schools. Another problem is that children raised by parents that lacked the information themselves end up believing in propaganda and rumored information that may be contrary to their true origin.

Yoruba was a Nation comprising of seven major States and within those States you had distinct native land and dialects but all of whom are nationally Yorubas. So you have the Oyos, Egbas, Ijebus, Aworis, Ijeshas, Itsekiris, and so on and so forth. . . Unlike the Egbas and the Ijebus, the Aworis did not have adversaries and so a prominence that would have resulted from fighting a war was otherwise supressed by their fame for peaceful cohabitation with neighboring natives. Lagos Island (Erekusi or Eko) was their nativeland and they were traditionally farmers and fishermen. Idunmota, Idunshagbe, Idungaran, Idunmagbo, Iduntafa. . . these were all Awori farmlands.

The Aworis were ruled by an Olofin. The present day Idejo Chiefs in Lagos had Awori ancestry.

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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 5:35am On Feb 12, 2009
I forgot to say of the Eguns. . .

Badagry (Agbadaigi) and all the way to Cotonou in Republic of Benin was the land of the Egun. Due to inter tribal wars, the Fon, Egun, Ewe and some other neighboring tribes were conquered by Oyo and were made to pay tax and homage to Alaafin. Under the Imperial power of Oyo the Eguns were guaranteed security under Yoruba sovereignty and this is how they became Yoruba citizens even though their Nationality is not Yoruba.

To clarify, consider an Irish American whose great great grandfather migrated to USA in the 1800s. That person is considered a citizen of America but on census form they will be counted as White of European ancestry or Nationality.

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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 8:01am On Feb 12, 2009
I forgot to say of the Eguns. . .

Badagry (Agbadaigi) and all the way to Cotonou in Republic of Benin was the land of the Egun. Due to inter tribal wars, the Fon, Egun, Ewe and some other neighboring tribes were conquered by Oyo and were made to pay tax and homage to Alaafin. Under the Imperial power of Oyo the Eguns were guaranteed security under Yoruba sovereignty and this is how they became Yoruba citizens even though their Nationality is not Yoruba.

To clarify, consider an Irish American whose great great grandfather migrated to USA in the 1800s. That person is considered a citizen of America but on census form they will be counted as White of European ancestry or Nationality.
Ok, now I understand. So they were more like POW's?. Even though they consider themselves non Yoruba, does the Yoruba consider them as an ally or as one of the sons of Yoruba in this modern time because very few has the in depth knowledge of their history like you explained above?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 9:22pm On Feb 12, 2009
Ok, now I understand. So they were more like POW's?.


No. They were not POWs. The POWs on both sides became slaves if they were commoners but exchanged on negotiated terms if they were of titled positions. Their land became colony or annex seats of military frontier like a garrison to guarantee their security against other empires like Songhay.

Even though they consider themselves non Yoruba, does the Yoruba consider them as an ally or as one of the sons of Yoruba in this modern time


In this modern time Oyo Empire is no longer in existence but the Yoruba Nation is still integral with its seven states. Anyone that cannot trace their ancestry back to one of these states is not of Yoruba tribe or nationality but can claim Yoruba citizenship on account of the accord made between Oyo and their indigene land. I should emphasize that Alaafin deposed some of these Kings and installed a Yoruba son as King over them. In those lands, it may be hard to distinguish who is Yoruba and who is not although the descendants of the Yoruba King and other helpers that migrated along with him may now be speaking Egun and unknowingly disclaiming Yoruba. Add to that the multi cutural marriages and offsprings and the Yoruba blood is greatly diluted. Nonetheless, at the higher hierarchy of society, allegiance to Yoruba is still present and very strong. This will be visible when either Alaafin of Oyo or Ooni of Ife dies and these former colonies send emissaries to pay homage as was done in thos ancient times.

MAY ALAAFIN LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN.

MAY OONI LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN OF ODUDUWA SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN, MAY THE ANCESTORS STAND BY HIM.
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Aloy,

Another great example of conquest and mixed origin is in Epetedo area of Lagos Island. I don't know, are you familiar with Island and the metro area?

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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by osisi2(f): 10:17pm On Feb 12, 2009
I read somewhere that prior to the 19th century only a handful of people we refer to as Yorubas right now actually called themselves Yorubas and there were some ethnic groups within our present day Yorubaland that'll fight you if you dared call them Yorubas.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by dayokanu(m): 10:27pm On Feb 12, 2009
The fact is that they all speak variation of the same language but they view themselves as indivuals states e.g Ijasha, Ekiti, Igbajo, Oyo, Egba etc.

Now in this age, they have all been brought together under te same umbrella of Yorubas
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by osisi2(f): 10:32pm On Feb 12, 2009
Is it true it was arabs/Muslims that coined the name Yoruba ?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 11:08pm On Feb 12, 2009
Dayo, I agree with your response.

Osisi,

The etymology of the name "Yoruba" can be traced to the Arabic or Arhamaic language. I am not too good in referencing posts, I would have referred to you the post in which I discussed your question. Let's look at Yoruba and the believed founder of the tribe, Lamurudu.

The word Yoruba was used to refer to a people that emigrated from an Arab culture. As you head North and encounter different languages its pronounciation gets closer to "Ya Arab". Ya Arab stand for the "Children of Arab" or "People of Arab" or "Descent of Arab".

The Hausas call Yoruba "Bayarabe". They call Arabs, "Balarabe" . Sometimes they will say "Yarabawa" for Yoruba and "Larabawa" for Arab. Who were the Arabs at the time of Lamurudu arriving in Ife? They were idol worshippers who believed in gods. Lamurudu brought that tradition to Ife and instituted it as the religion of the Yorubas. The Arab land covered all along the eastern edge of Africa to the horn by Somalia and into Yemen and up into what today is Saudi Arbia. Lamurudu was an Arab of Axum descent. Axum was in what is now Ethiopia. Yorubas are not the only Arabian migrants to current Nigeria. The Shuwa Arabs are too. They are found in Adamawa and Borno and they are of Sudan descent.

To explain Lamurudu (Oduduwa's father), let's look at two names; Abdul Hamid and Al Amin. When pronounced in Yoruba, the first becomes Lamidi and the second Lamina. There are people today in Yorubaland called Lamidi and Lamina and if you tell them its correctly spelled Abdul Hamid and Al Amin they will dispute it. Using this analogy, Lamurudu would be something like Al Marud. Lamurudu has no translation in Yoruba language, it is widely acknowledged that its a foreign name.

The story of Lamurudu beaing a man of Eastern origin is true. He emigrated from Ethiopia. Now did every Yoruba emigrated with him and are of Eastern origin? NO!
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by osisi2(f): 3:11am On Feb 13, 2009
Wow
so Yorubas are generally descendants of Arabs from what you say.
One learns something new everyday.
Davidylan should stop attacking Palestinians since they're his brothers grin
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by dayokanu(m): 4:40am On Feb 13, 2009
Negro Nts

Did you knw about the story of Nimrod? How did you compare the name Nimrod to Lamurudu
How would you pronounce Nimrod in Yoruba? SOmething close to Lamurudu right

Nimrod is said to be the founder and king of the first empire after the Flood


Do you remember the Yoruba myth about Oduduwa coming to earth meeting everywhere covered with flood?

Nimrod was a descendant of Ham, And it is said African tribes descended from Ham, Nimrod was a great ruler somewhere Lamurudu Oduduwas father was a great ruler and hunter in the Mid east.

One of the things that is very consistent in the History of Yoruba people and family nations has been that[b] King Lamurudu was a powerful hunter[/b] who had several children and one of them, Odua or Oduduwa the last child, became the founding ancestor of the Yoruba people and family nations.


http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/yoruba_history2.html

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.

Genesis chapter 10 vs 8-9.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by Nobody: 4:43am On Feb 13, 2009
Are Calabars Igbo? Just asking ni o
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by dayokanu(m): 4:47am On Feb 13, 2009
Noo Calabars are not Igbos They are different
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by OsunAmazon: 10:31am On Feb 13, 2009
Wow
so Yorubas are generally descendants of Arabs from what you say.
One learns something new everyday.
Davidylan should  stop attacking Palestinians since they're his brothers
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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 10:35am On Feb 13, 2009
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Ok, now I understand. So they were more like POW's?.


No.  They were not POWs.  The POWs on both sides became slaves if they were commoners but exchanged on negotiated terms if they were of titled positions.  Their land became colony or annex seats of military frontier like a garrison to guarantee their security against other empires like Songhay. 

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Even though they consider themselves non Yoruba, does the Yoruba consider them as an ally or as one of the sons of Yoruba in this modern time


In this modern time Oyo Empire is no longer in existence but the Yoruba Nation is still integral with its seven states.  Anyone that cannot trace their ancestry back to one of these states is not of Yoruba tribe or nationality but can claim Yoruba citizenship on account of the accord made between Oyo and their indigene land.  I should emphasize that Alaafin deposed some of these Kings and installed a Yoruba son as King over them.  In those lands, it may be hard to distinguish who is Yoruba and who is not although the descendants of the Yoruba King and other helpers that migrated along with him may now be speaking Egun and unknowingly disclaiming Yoruba.  Add to that the multi cutural marriages and offsprings and the Yoruba blood is greatly diluted.  Nonetheless, at the higher hierarchy of society, allegiance to Yoruba is still present and very strong.  This will be visible when either Alaafin of Oyo or Ooni of Ife dies and these former colonies send emissaries to pay homage as was done in thos ancient times. 

MAY ALAAFIN LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN.

MAY OONI LIVE LONG, MAY THE CROWN OF ODUDUWA SUSTAIN, MAY HIS FOOT JEWELS SUSTAIN, MAY THE ANCESTORS STAND BY HIM.
Arinze gi!
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Aloy,

Another great example of conquest and mixed origin is in Epetedo area of Lagos Island.  I don't know, are you familiar with Island and the metro area?
I only know they call them Isala Eko. Is it the same thing?

What of Akoko-ikale/Akoko Edo? Are they also yorubas because some of them call themselves Akokos and not yorubas?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by bgees(m): 1:23pm On Feb 13, 2009
Nimrod is Lamurudu? this thread is very interesting grin grin grin grin grin

researchers need to look into that.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 4:28pm On Feb 13, 2009
lmao, Bgees, you are right, this is expanding past the original post of Awori and Egun and gaining momentum about origin of Lamurudu and Biblical reference; very interesting!


Did you knw about the story of Nimrod? How did you compare the name Nimrod to Lamurudu
How would you pronounce Nimrod in Yoruba? SOmething close to Lamurudu right


Dayo, consider this. . .

What language is Nimrod's name written in? Here is why I asked.


ENGLISH/Hebrew ARABIC

Joseph = Yussuff
David = Dawud
Mary/Marianne = Maryam
Sheba = Bilqis
John = Yahya
Michael = Mikail
Benjamin = Binyamin
Solomon = Sulaiman

is it possible that. . .

Nimrod = Marud ?


Also, you quoted that Cush begat Nimrod. Well, I don't know if Nimrod is the same person as Lamarudu but I know Lamurudu was a Cushite from Axum and knowing that the Cushites descended from Ham, I am led to believe that we are speaking of same person, hunter, farmer, fisherman, or whatever he is.

Well, who were the Cushites?

1.
The Cushites, descending from Ham built Axum in Ethiopia, where I mentioned Lamarudu emigrated from. The Cushites included an ethnic group called OROMO and they spoke the oromo language also called oromiffa. There is a obelisk in the courtyard of the Ooni of Ife's spiritual shrine and it was said to have been there since the time of Oranmiyan and is called the staff of Oranmiyan. There are certain things I won't reveal about the staff but I will say this, that staff is the connecting dot between Ife and Axum.

2.
To point to another reference, when a person is obedient and humble our elders will praise them as "Omoluabi". Correctly stated, it is "Omonuabi" or "Omo Nua bi" or 'Omo Noah bi"; meaning the child begotten of Noah but more symbolically to denote the obedient character as a trait from Noah's lineage. But why would idol worshippers who have gods like Shango, Ogun, Oya, Yemoja and so on know of Noah and reverence him? I am yet to find another culture in sub-saharan Africa that does that beside the Yorubas. In sub-saharan Africa, you had to read the Bible or the Quran to know about Noah and this must have either happened when Islam was introduced by Dan Fodio and the Arab traders or when the European missionaries invaded and brought missionaries with them to educate us on Christianity. Yorubas had been using the term "Omoluabi" long before new religions arrived so they had knowledge of Noah from other source. That source was genealogy and spiritual cults.

3.
The rituals of Ifa and that of Islam is parallel. I won't say some things here in reference to Ifa other than to say that when you look at Hajj pilgrimage and the sacrifice of the lamb on Mount Arafat, it is exactly the same ritual steps in Ifa initiation and we knew Ifa before Islam was introduced in Yorubaland. So where is the connection from? It had to date back to shrine rituals in the Arab customs and would give credence to the fact that Yorubas are in fact Ya Arabs. Just remember that it was a total different Arab back then than the one you have today.

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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by dayokanu(m): 5:52pm On Feb 13, 2009
For example, in Yoruba, "li" or "ni" can interchange. Some Yoruba ethnic can say "ni ana" or "li ana" which means "as of yesterday." "Ni oni" or "li oni" which means "as of today." For the sake of euphony, both phrases become "lana" and "loni" respectively. Now, let us apply the same to Nimrod, Nam'Ur-ud and the father of O'dua -- Lamurudu.

First, take out all vowels in each name. Nimrod will become NMRD, Nam'Ur-ud will become NMRD. For the sake of euphony, replace the "L" in Lamurudu with N and you have NMRD. Lamurudu was the beginning of ena; the inversion or change of letters, words, syllables or sentences in order that the sense is disguised. Lamurudu is thus concealed.

It has now become an instinctual response for the Yoruba to trigger the "u" sense upon contact with Arabic names, which have their root in Aramaic, the language of the Canaanites. Ask yourself this question: How did the Greek come to have the "Staff of Orion" and the Yoruba also have the "Opa Oranyan?" Orion and Oranyan are the same but utter confusion

http://www.africastyles.com/blackhistory/yoruba_history2.html
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by lucabrasi(m): 6:01pm On Feb 13, 2009
@poster
of course they are yoruba,and the reason why they claim they are not is the same reason every other tribe are trying to carve out their individual identies, sense of identity and independence, calling themselves yoruba will project a notion of subservience to yoruba culture at the expense of theirs
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by tpia: 6:07pm On Feb 13, 2009
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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 8:19pm On Feb 13, 2009
Dayo,

Thanks for that link, a very clear and linguistic approach to explain the root of the name. The Cushites trace their roots to Cush (Nimrod's father) and they have a religion in Oromo called "Waaqeffannaa", under that are deities that they generally refer to as IRREECHA. Compare that to ORISHA. They also have a town called Oromiyaa.

Is it possible they misspell Orion too? All the cultures that have the staff (obelisk) form one and consistent belief system.

The benefit here is that people who may previously not know will at least now have a fact that school curricullum will more than likely never teach.

Welcome to online learning at NAIRALAND COLLEGE grin
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 8:38pm On Feb 13, 2009
@Negro, you didn't answer my question:

What of Akoko-ikale/Akoko Edo? Are they also yorubas because some of them call themselves Akokos and not yorubas?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by NegroNtns(m): 8:46pm On Feb 13, 2009
It was answered by Dayo in post #12.

The fact is that they all speak variation of the same language but they view themselves as indivuals states e.g Ijasha, Ekiti, Igbajo, Oyo, Egba etc.

Now in this age, they have all been brought together under te same umbrella of Yorubas


The ancient Yoruba sphere of influence bordered in the north with the Gwarris, the Idomas and come around in circle to the Igbos in the East and down to the Kalabris and the Ishons in the South.
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by OsunAmazon: 8:53am On Feb 15, 2009
Is it true it was arabs/Muslims that coined the name Yoruba ?
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Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by AloyEmeka9: 11:39am On Feb 17, 2009


The ancient Yoruba sphere of influence bordered in the north with the Gwarris, [b]the Idomas [/b]and come around in circle to the Igbos in the East and down to the Kalabris and the Ishons in the South.
Shouldn't that be the igbiras?
Re: Are Aworis And Eguns Yoruba? by Nobody: 2:57pm On Feb 18, 2009
I read somewhere that prior to the 19th century only a handful of people we refer to as Yorubas right now actually called themselves Yorubas and there were some ethnic groups within our present day Yorubaland that'll fight you if you dared call them Yorubas.

Is it true it was arabs/Muslims that coined the name Yoruba ?

Wow
so Yorubas are generally descendants of Arabs from what you say.
One learns something new everyday.



. . .The story of Lamurudu beaing a man of Eastern origin is true.  He emigrated from Ethiopia.  Now did every Yoruba emigrated with him and are of Eastern origin?  NO!

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