gj22:
Remember when this guy was the worst human being in all of the seven kingdoms?

Yes we didn't know there would be xters that would make Jamie look like a saint.

luxanne:


Varys is a selfish bastard. He only cares about himself.

Lol. I think you mistake varys for Littlefinger. Varys has made it clear he doesn't want power or the throne, he want a good realm.

themodernman:


I'm not saying he can't but he won't cos he's a womanizer. Don't be surprised when he starts bedding Missandei. I can't trust Tyrion with a beautiful woman.

You want Greyworm to die of heart attack eh?

luxanne:


Fear? Treason? They say it out even to tywin's, cercei's, jaime's hearing and they can't do nada to them cuz if they do, everyone will know the rumour is true. They instead use it as a weapon to spite the lannisters when they have to.

you know that's what cost Ned stark his head?

CountDracula:

Why did d "fire god" woman tell jon snow dt hw knws nthng? Wats d deal wit dat woman? I really hate her

I think it's just punchline.

Why do you hate her?

gj22:
Lady Sansa Stark of Winterfell (next episode)

I would consider it black magic, if Sansa suddenly become smart to rule winterfell.

luxanne:

Aii

Is he the one? @charis

gj22:
A chart about a few character from the show.

Flay them. Flay them all.

Edit - In the Good row only one xter is alive. In the neutral row only one xter is alive and well. In the Evil row two xter are living and breathing. What does this tell you about GoT.
Jon Snow would be chaotic moral.
According to D & D

Aida13:
Funny how they ended up making me feel nothing for the characters this season.

Tyrion was merely a prop, he really didn't do anything.

Jon Snow as always was painted as the white knight in shining armor. But I liked him better when he was a low-down sneak pretending to be one of the Wildlings.

Arya is just plain annoying with that same expression she has all the time.

Sansa is still just 'finding herself'...she's not three dimensional yet and it's getting boring.

Cersei of course always has that same aura of knowing she's going to be around in the series for a looong while, so she acts exactly the way she's been acting since Season one.

Stannis showed some spark to the series but never really got enough face-time to give a meaty performance.

Jaqen H'ghar was the most wasted character. He was so cool and mysterious in the past but now his same-same persona is bordering on lame.

Dany...I don't even want to go into what I think of that character in season 5. Let's not be too preoccupied with 'shiny' things that come with this series.

I could go on and on. But with just ten episodes and so many actors, it's tough for the directors to really make us understand any of the characters. This wasn't so in season 1-4. Producers should focus on giving us more story and maybe less action in the coming series. Some substance over style is always nice.

Well said. I really dont prefer shock to good story telling.

luxanne:
@
Aida13, you asked for more story and maybe less action? I prefer it the other way.

Besides, just like you opined they've been giving us more stories in other seasons and even in the early episodes of 5, why make this season more so?

Lol @ ur dany's analysis, 'shiny things', was that what you've been preoccupied with?

Your analysis on sansa and jaqen h'ghar was spot on tho but on others, I beg to differ.

#toeachhisown

And at understanding the characters, what do you mean?

To each his own, true. More are preoccupied with the hotness or otherwise of the scantily clad heroines, but I can't begrudge them their eye candy

As to understanding the characters, I feel we never got to see inside their heads. We just see things happening to them, but we aren't allowed to truly experience it through their thoughts and words. Tyrion gets abducted and comes before Dany. They form a kind of connection but it's based on a very scanty convo with the lamest dialogue I've seen Tyrion have with another character in the series.

Sansa is practically defiled on her wedding night but apart from her looking like she'd swallowed nails, I don't really feel her pain. Basically, I'm indifferent.

The only real emotion I felt was when Shireen was burned.

The series was all about action, and not just the battle scenes at Hardhome etc, but the fights: Dorne with the Sand sisters, and Jorah's fights at the arena etc. That part about Game of Thrones I liked, such as the 'intrigue' and back-stabbing was absent this season. Sometimes I like the melodrama that comes with betrayal, jealousy etc. Though we had a taste of it when Cersei threw her son's wife into prison lol.

Just saying, the storytelling is wearing thin as the seasons go by. I feel like I've just been through 5 episodes, not 9 or 10. But then again it might be just me.

LeviStark:


Well said. I really dont prefer shock to good story telling.

That was exactly my point. Just as if they led us on with a promise of some good plotting, then just slam us in the face with an unpredictable cliffhanger scene.

Akanniade:

I disagree.He understands that the rule of the game is survival. He saved Tyrion when there was nothing to be gained. He offered to help Sansa escape. He was the only one who visited Eddard Stark in prison.
I believe he is only a power broker and that's all he wants to unlike Little finger that is power hungry.
As an eunuch, he doing pretty good having to endure the sneer of fellow men.

We're going to have to agree to diasgree. He didn't help Sansa escape. Varys was aginst any form of anti-Targ rule. Why didnt he help Ned escape, Jaime was the one who threatened him to save Tyrion. Varys and Illyrio wanted a war in the seven kingdoms, so that when Dany(Aegon in the books) comes, everybody will be depleted, and the conquest will be much easier. He's that kind of ends justify the means guy. That don't mean he's right. When he says he's for the realm, he means for the realm under Targ rule. He knew about Jon Arryn conspiracy, he knew LF planted Ned's death in Joffreys ears, he knew they were planning on killing Robert, why did he kill Kevan, who would have been a good hand. Didnt you watch that scene where Arya was chasing a cat ? No matter how Varys believes he's serving the realm, he's not.

gj22:


I think it's just punchline.

Why do you hate her?

Why shudnt I hate her? She's so irrelevant, all she's useful for is absurd advices and irresponsible sexx...

Why would someone from Essos even care. Varys does not serve the realm no matter how much he believes it.

LeviStark:


We're going to have to agree to diasgree. He didn't help Sansa escape. Varys was aginst any form of anti-Targ rule. Why didnt he help Ned escape, Jaime was the one who threatened him to save Tyrion. Varys and Illyrio wanted a war in the seven kingdoms, so that when Dany(Aegon in the books) comes, everybody will be depleted, and the conquest will be much easier. He's that kind of ends justify the means guy. That don't mean he's right. When he says he's for the realm, he means for the realm under Targ rule. He knew about Jon Arryn conspiracy, he knew LF planted Ned's death in Joffreys ears, he knew they were planning on killing Robert, why did he kill Kevan, who would have been a good hand. Didnt you watch that scene where Arya was chasing a cat ? No matter how Varys believes he's serving the realm, he's not.

Like I said , he knows how survive. He has no noble house to lay claim to. I agree his politics is pro - Targ. He offered Shae a new life but was rebuffed. Should he let Ned escape to lose his head?
By GOT standards, he's one of the good guys.

Akanniade:

Like I said , he knows how survive. He has no noble house to lay claim to. I agree his politics is pro - Targ. He offered Shae a new life but was rebuffed. Should he let Ned escape to lose his head?
By GOT standards, he's one of the good guys.

Im not saying he's evil. He's just an absolutist. And no he's not one of the good guys.

LeviStark:


Im not saying he's evil. He's just an absolutist. And no he's not one of the good guys.

Who then are the good guys? Please name them.

Akanniade:

Who then are the good guys? Please name them.

If you still think there are good guys or bad guys. You haven't been paying attention. Everyone is grey to a certain extent.

Aida13:


To each his own, true. More are preoccupied with the hotness or otherwise of the scantily clad heroines, but I can't begrudge them their eye candy

As to understanding the characters, I feel we never got to see inside their heads. We just see things happening to them, but we aren't allowed to truly experience it through their thoughts and words. Tyrion gets abducted and comes before Dany. They form a kind of connection but it's based on a very scanty convo with the lamest dialogue I've seen Tyrion have with another character in the series.

Sansa is practically defiled on her wedding night but apart from her looking like she'd swallowed nails, I don't really feel her pain. Basically, I'm indifferent.

The only real emotion I felt was when Shireen was burned.

The series was all about action, and not just the battle scenes at Hardhome etc, but the fights: Dorne with the Sand sisters, and Jorah's fights at the arena etc. That part about Game of Thrones I liked, such as the 'intrigue' and back-stabbing was absent this season. Sometimes I like the melodrama that comes with betrayal, jealousy etc. Though we had a taste of it when Cersei threw her son's wife into prison lol.

Just saying, the storytelling is wearing thin as the seasons go by. I feel like I've just been through 5 episodes, not 9 or 10. But then again it might be just me.

Honestly, I think it's you, not the show. No offence.

All season long, I have been able to empathise with characters and see through their eyes. That why they show what is happening to them and the decisions they make.

Take stannis for example. As disgusting as his actions were, I understand why he did it because I can connect with him. This connection only came that episode that Jon left for hardhome and was not there previously because of lack of proper screen time.

Even Jaime that was the bad guy previously is now a not-soo-bad bad guy.

This season is more of stories than action honestly. No huge character has even died. Episode 8 was the only action episode we got so far this season

LeviStark:


We're going to have to agree to diasgree. He didn't help Sansa escape. Varys was aginst any form of anti-Targ rule. Why didnt he help Ned escape, Jaime was the one who threatened him to save Tyrion. Varys and Illyrio wanted a war in the seven kingdoms, so that when Dany(Aegon in the books) comes, everybody will be depleted, and the conquest will be much easier. He's that kind of ends justify the means guy. That don't mean he's right. When he says he's for the realm, he means for the realm under Targ rule. He knew about Jon Arryn conspiracy, he knew LF planted Ned's death in Joffreys ears, he knew they were planning on killing Robert, why did he kill Kevan, who would have been a good hand. Didnt you watch that scene where Arya was chasing a cat ? No matter how Varys believes he's serving the realm, he's not.

That's the thing. What you know doesn't matter because the character doesn't know what you know. He only knows what he knows.

And to him, chaos is the only way the realm can be good. This is what makes him an anti-hero, he is doing a bad thing for a good reason. He wants what's best for the realm.

LeviStark:
Varys was also responsible for feeding into Aerys' paranoia. He was also responsible for foiling Rhaegar's plan in Harrenhal, when Rhaegar invited all the lords of the seven kingdoms, there was another reason why he did that, it wasnt just because of a tourney, but im not spoiling, and Varys knew, and told Aerys, that's why Aerys was present, that's why the plan could not go on. There are lots of things Varys is responsible for, and you go on here saying he serves the realm. Pttf..

He does serve the realm but he is going about it the wrong way. Dude. To him, the ends justifies the means. That is the definition of an anti-hero

CountDracula:

Why shudnt I hate her? She's so irrelevant, all she's useful for is absurd advices and irresponsible sexx...

Irrelevant? Nah dude. She his behind stannis success.

gj22:


That's the thing. What you know doesn't matter because the character doesn't know what you know. He only knows what he knows.

And to him, chaos is the only way the realm can be good. This is what makes him an anti-hero, he is doing a bad thing for a good reason. He wants what's best for the realm.

Someone who indulges in chaos can decide what's best for the realm ? Varys wants whats best for the realm under Targ rule. But overall i think he's misunderstood.

gj22:


Irrelevant? Nah dude. She his behind stannis success.

1st of all, wat success are u talkin abt?is stannis d king yet? I'm in episode 4 of season 5 I'm nt up to date but I'm sure he's nt a king yet.he hasn't won any war also so I'm confused as to d success ure talkin abt

2nd, Stannis is as irrelevant as d whor she's carryin around. He's a stvpid pawn, he jus happens to have a royal blood, personally I dnt see any position he wil b able to occupy, I dnt think he wil ever b any king at all

Got .... Ep 8 or 9 ... Which one turned u on d most

The only way his actions make sense, IMO, is if he's a Targ( or Blackfyre) supporter. Hes more interested in his plan working out than the best plan working out. And funny thing, he thinks his is the best. What a hypocrite.

LeviStark:


If you still think there are good guys or bad guys. You haven't been paying attention. Everyone is grey to a certain extent.

This, Gbola5 , is the mistake you are making. Even among bad guys, there are still good guys BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS.

gj22:


This, Gbola5 , is the mistake you are making. Even among bad guys, there are still good guys BY THEIR OWN STANDARDS.

There's a scale. While you can consider Ramsay or LF as black, or Brienne or Davos as white, the majority falls under grey.

CountDracula:

1st of all, wat success are u talkin abt?is stannis d king yet? I'm in episode 4 of season 5 I'm nt up to date but I'm sure he's nt a king yet.he hasn't won any war also so I'm confused as to d success ure talkin abt

2nd, Stannis is as irrelevant as d whor she's carryin around. He's a stvpid pawn, he jus happens to have a royal blood, personally I dnt see any position he wil b able to occupy, I dnt think he wil ever b any king at all

You might hate Melisandre but dont you dare talk about your king like that.

On a more serious note, if after 5 seasons you still think that about stannis that way, then i dont know what show you have been watching.