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btoks:
I notice how you conveniently avoided addressing the verses but state that I've based the teaching one or two verses. Firstly,How many verses will do?Secondly, the teaching is based on more than those verses.

That's being hypocritical, where are the answers to all of the rcc heresies that I have posted?

It's up to you if you don't pray to saints,it's not compulsory within the CC anyway, it is however encouraged that we pray for one another - see 1tim2:1

Praying to God for one another, is not praying to one another.

Saints are more alive than you or I are,how else could they offer our prayers in Rev 5:8?

In Rev 5:8 the Saints have been raptured to Heaven before the pouring out of God's wrath on the Earth,
they offer their prayers to God.

Vain repetition is not about repeating same words but not praying from the heart. While it's possible to pray the rosary vainly,(or any protestant prayer for that matter),it's meant to be prayed meditating on the mysteries of Christ .we see several examples of repetitions in the scriptures - e.g.plasm 136, Rev 4:8.

Saying the same prayer over and over again is not only repetitious but vain, and to pray to saint's-men, is also of the heathens.

Mat_6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I've stated before that you require guidance to understand the scriptures, so that you see things in proper historical context not some novel interpretations.

I am not interested in your unbibical kind of guidance.

btoks:
So I take it you're 2015's CC attacker . others came before but have largely given up.

Of course they would have, I also will wipe my feet off you soon.

I'll recommend that you please study the CC teachings Well before you post.
- I've explained in my previous post about praying to saints.

You call that an explanation?

- Christianity from inception has believed the consecrated bread to be the body of Jesus Christ. Please see 1cor 10:16 (The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?)

And you think that is saying it's literally Jesus flesh and blood?
We meet and eat with fellow Christians in memory of Christ.
We do not go into a building to receive a wafer of bread on our tongue and think that is supping with fellow believers in memory of Christ.

-what is your understanding of the pope being infallible?as CC teaches that pope is only infallible when teaching faith and morals to the whole church in defined circumstances. (Pls see matt 16:19[i] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." [/i]

I know that decades ago rc were taught that the pope was infallable at all times, and that priests were infallable when saying the mass.
And that verse is not talking off the Harlot of Babylon, but to Jesus true followers.

-on priests forgiving sins (please see John 20:22)

God bless

Jesus said that to the Apostles, "whatever you forgive on Earth will be forgiven in Heaven" He did not say that to the priests of the false church who might then say, now go and pray six hail mary's.

MizJanet:
NIGGA
YOU SAY SOME S_T_U_P_I_D
S_H_I_T

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quote: Syn to MizPoo: "Dear one," ............. Haha

johnw74:
Of course they would have, I also will wipe my feet off you soon.



You call that an explanation?




And you think that is saying it's literally Jesus flesh and blood?
We meet and eat with fellow Christians in memory of Christ.
We do not go into a building to receive a wafer of bread on our tongue and think that is supping with fellow believers in memory of Christ.



I know that decades ago rc were taught that the pope was infallable at all times, and that priests were infallable when saying the mass.
And that verse is not talking off the Harlot of Babylon, but to Jesus true followers.



Jesus said that to the Apostles, "whatever you forgive on Earth will be forgiven in Heaven" He did not say that to the priests of the false church who might then say, now go and pray six hail mary's.

Do you think the bible suddenly appeared in 2015? Do you realise there has been 2 millenia of Christianity before this time.when was your teaching accepted and thought by the church?
Why do we have to believe in your interpretations?

If you say forgiving sins only applied to the apostles,this same must apply to baptism and preaching good news.the church must have ended with the Apostles.?!!! Why do we even bother with christianity?Please lets think critically here.

You don't have to accept guidance. This is just sowing a seed. just mind it growing over the years.

btoks:
Do you think the bible suddenly appeared in 2015? Do you realise there has been 2 millenia of Christianity before this time.when was your teaching accepted and thought by the church?
Why do we have to believe in your interpretations?

If you say forgiving sins only applied to the apostles,this same must apply to baptism and preaching good news.the church must have ended with the Apostles.?!!! Why do we even bother with christianity?Please lets think critically here.

You don't have to accept guidance. This is just sowing a seed. just mind it growing over the years.

@bold, Try quoting me correctly

I say again, Jesus was talking to the Apostles, He wasn't talking to false teachers-priests,
who after wrongly thinking they have forgiven sins, might then say, "now go and pray six hail marys".

When Jesus forgave sins He didn't say, now go and pray to my Mother Mary,
He said: now go and sin no more.

johnw74:
@bold, Try quoting me correctly

I say again, Jesus was talking to the Apostles, He wasn't talking to false teachers-priests,
who after wrongly thinking they have forgiven sins, might then say, "now go and pray six hail marys".

When Jesus forgave sins He didn't say, now go and pray to my Mother Mary,
He said: now go and sin no more.

So who are the true teachers-priests that can forgive or retain sins today? Where are they?

During confession,a priest forgives sins with the following words (God the Father of mercies, through the death and resurrection of your son, you have reconciled the world to yourself and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins. Through the ministry of the church, may God grant you pardon and peace. And I absolve you of your sins, in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.)
Any prayers (not limited to Hail Marys) or other actions the priests asks the person confesing to perform is as a form of penance ( Please see below for an explanation - culled from catholic cathecism)


1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must "make satisfaction for" or "expiate" his sins. This satisfaction is also called "penance."

1460 The penance the confessor imposes must take into account the penitent's personal situation and must seek his spiritual good. It must correspond as far as possible with the gravity and nature of the sins committed. It can consist of prayer, an offering, works of mercy, service of neighbor, voluntary self-denial, sacrifices, and above all the patient acceptance of the cross we must bear. Such penances help configure us to Christ, who alone expiated our sins once for all. They allow us to become co-heirs with the risen Christ, "provided we suffer with him."63


The satisfaction that we make for our sins, however, is not so much ours as though it were not done through Jesus Christ. We who can do nothing ourselves, as if just by ourselves, can do all things with the cooperation of "him who strengthens" us. Thus man has nothing of which to boast, but all our boasting is in Christ . . . in whom we make satisfaction by bringing forth "fruits that befit repentance." These fruits have their efficacy from him, by him they are offered to the Father, and through him they are accepted by the Father.

Christians don't take their sins to man for forgiveness
they take their sins to God whom they have sinned against
if you have sinned against man then go to him

Syncan:
Hahahaha, Can't you see how trying to deny what God has given her is making you stumble and somersault? Just hear yourself, she is the mother of the "son of God" then you split the son of God into two, "flesh of Jesus" and "spirit which is God the word", hahahaha, can someone be the mother of a flesh? A flesh without life (dead meat) abi or what? Is your mother just the mother of your flesh?

Question: In her womb, was Jesus God?




Jesus the Son of Mary is God.

Okay.... But were you asked to reverence or give worship to the Mother (vessel) or to the Son (God)?

Syncan:
This is scripture.
Hence:

"Hail (Mary), full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus) " is scriptural.

What do you understand by ''hail Mary? And where you supposed to worship the 'fruit' Jesus, or the mother (vessel)?

ifeness:
What is the difference from calling Mary or Jesus? Has anyone of them answered you before? Be honest!

Many times i have recieved answers from many calls i made. And it was only when i call on the that is above every other name- JESUS CHRIST!

That of Mary is not just only unproductive, but powerless and unenforcable at any given time and circumstances.

Syncan:
Dear one,

1) Yes Jesus did break the Sabbath according to the dictates of their laws, but Jesus is Lord even of the Sabbath and enlightened them on the spirit of the law.

2). Please do not argue for arguing sake, you know that the Jews were not referring to Jesus Calling God His father, just like Christians call God their father, because even Christians call Jesus "Son of God" not in the same way as they are "sons and daughters of God". We need to be truthful.

The Jews had no problem with reasoning, they were wise people and they know what they were talking about. You don't have to ridicule their reasoning just because you want to stick to an error.

Point of fact!

Syncan:
"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. Matt.2:11[/color]. That Makes Mary the mother of God in English language.

Who did they worship now? The mother or the Son (God)?
Then where did catholic got the worship of Mary from? For the reverence of Mary is pure Ancestral worship, and where then did they get it? Nothing but from a carry over from the babylonia to Roman pagan worship of the so-called Mother and Child-which is nothing but ''Semiramis and Tamuz''..having multiple names as varied with different tribes and countries, e.g, Isis and Horus, baal and ashatroth, cybele and deoiu, etc etc,..that was converted as Mary and Jesus by Roman Catholicism. The vey act of pure paganism.

Appleyard:
Okay.... But were you asked to reverence or give worship to the Mother (vessel) or to the Son (God)?

First, thanks for agreeing with truth when you see it.

Second, as a child of the true church, I was taught to reverence everyone and indeed everything that represents God or His Presence.

"Ye shall keep my Sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD". Lev. 19:30. One could say Mary was surely a sanctuary of God for nine months wasn't she? Again, the Holy spirit did instruct it through her when She prophesied: "henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" Lk.1:48.


Third, as a child of the true Church, I was taught not to give any other being the worship that is due to God alone, this worship; Catholics do not give to Mary.

Appleyard:
What do you understand by ''hail Mary? And where you supposed to worship the 'fruit' Jesus, or the mother (vessel)?

What answer did the angel give you when you asked him this question?

What answer did Elizabeth give you when you asked her this question?


Or is the question just for me, who is only repeating their words in Lk.1:42,45 ?

Appleyard:
Many times i have recieved answers from many calls i made. And it was only when i call on the that is above every other name- JESUS CHRIST!

That of Mary is not just only unproductive, but powerless and unenforcable at any given time and circumstances.

False claim!

Below is someone's post, here in Nairaland much earlier today, it couldn't have come at a better time. Praise be to our God who works in mysterious ways. He knew you will say this, and He made sure this came earlier; just to prove a point to you. Jesus and His mother Mary are not in competition, all she is; she got because of; and from Him. What she is; you can't take away. Read below:

stunningjudy:
Hello people, I have really missed u all. Is there anybody here that's doing the 54 day rosary novena which i posted d link? I hope u have testimonies because I do. Work hasn't allowed me to share my testimony. But I'll quickly summarise it, I asked Mother Mary to give me a better job before may 1st and I got called by may 8th and I asked her to bless my sis with a job before may ends and by June 1st my sis got a job and within that week also she got another job with a better clinic. I can't just explain this but I'm still encouraging us to try and say the rosary always. Remain blessed.

Appleyard:
Point of fact!

God bless you.

Appleyard:
Who did they worship now? The mother or the Son (God)?

If anyone says they worshiped the Mother, call me to rebuke the person.

Appleyard:
Then where did catholic got the worship of Mary from? For the reverence of Mary is pure Ancestral worship, and where then did they get it? Nothing but from a carry over from the babylonia to Roman pagan worship of the so-called Mother and Child-which is nothing but ''Semiramis and Tamuz''..having multiple names as varied with different tribes and countries, e.g, Isis and Horus, baal and ashatroth, cybele and deoiu, etc etc,..that was converted as Mary and Jesus by Roman Catholicism. The vey act of pure paganism.

(Ex 23:1)- You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

(Prov 19:9)- A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

Catholics do not give to Mary, the worship due to God.Please be careful to say just what you know, rather listen to Peter thus: ( 1Pet 2:1-2) - So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation... to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ....

Appleyard:
Many times i have recieved answers from many calls i made. And it was only when i call on the that is above every other name- JESUS CHRIST!

That of Mary is not just only unproductive, but powerless and unenforcable at any given time and circumstances.

Give examples please.

Seun, Lalasticlala

Syncan:
First, thanks for agreeing with truth when you see it.

Second, as a child of the true church, I was taught to reverence everyone and indeed everything that represents God or His Presence.

"Ye shall keep my Sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD". Lev. 19:30. One could say Mary was surely a sanctuary of God for nine months wasn't she? Again, the Holy spirit did instruct it through her when She prophesied: "henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" Lk.1:48.


Third, as a child of the true Church, I was taught not to give any other being the worship that is due to God alone, this worship; Catholics do not give to Mary.

This post is an eye opener....this post made my day!

SalC:
This post is an eye opener....this post made my day!

God bless you.

johnw74:
Christians don't take their sins to man for forgiveness
they take their sins to God whom they have sinned against
if you have sinned against man then go to him

lol,

first you admit Jesus gave men the power to forgive sins then you go futher an say men have nothing to do in d forgiveness of sins just God.

Do you have a forked tongue?

Ubenedictus:
lol,

first you admit Jesus gave men the power to forgive sins then you go futher an say men have nothing to do in d forgiveness of sins just God.

Do you have a forked tongue?

Christians take their sins to God
however rc take their sins to man

johnw74:
Christians take their sins to God however rc take their sins to man

and Jesus said to some humans,
whasoever you forgive is forgiven!
Go and argue with him.

Ubenedictus:
and Jesus said to some humans,

whasoever you forgive is forgiven!

Go and argue with him.

You posted to me concerning my post of 11 days ago

Ubenedictus: lol,

Do you have a forked tongue?

and Jesus said ....

Go and argue with him.

go and get a brain

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BADNEAT:
has your hatred for the holy catholic church been extended to the blessed virgin Mary unknowingly?? “Hail, full
of grace, the Lord is with thee" ( Luke 1:28 ) and
“Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is
the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42 ).

howdynaija:
Please for the sake of God our Creator click this link and read to eternity. Here is the link: http://www.marytruth.com/

you want me to read a link...read the bible quotations

Syncan are you a priest or a Seminarian?