raumdeuter:


I was going to mention that particular game but I felt not many would remember those scenes. He wrecked havoc on Man Utd


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXkU0bfv80U

It always amuses me when Afrodoc thinks men just dey hype German players for hyping sake! If I hype a German player best believe I can back it up.

Injuries were not kind on Mehmet, Btw 99-01 you could make an argument that he was the best AM in all of Europe. He was a genius

SIRcumalot:

What exactly is broke sef
If somebody declare bankruptcy in America doesn't mean you're broke he might not be as rich as he once was but he isn't homeless
I should point out that AI is my favourite basketball player.

I think its a relative term.
you can't be seen to be living the flashy lifestyle you previously were balling with before declaring bankruptcy.
you apply for bankruptcy because you cant pay your creditors largely due to reduced income/earningd or so I think.
i liked AI because he was different. brash, arrogant, cocky with tatoos and a game to match. I remember him crossing over Jordan leaving his feet tied in knots with his white and red air jordan 12s

StarBoard:

I hear it is even till he is 55 before he can access it. It looks like some friend of his put that money in a trust fund for him knowing he was going to blow the fortune he was making while he was an active ball player.
I hope he doesnt die before then given his propensity to get into trouble.

Youre right its 55.

And whenhe is 45 he can get a salary of $8,00 per month

Though Iverson's insolvency was assumed by many when that news broke last month, the New York Post's Peter Vecsey, through "a person with a firm grip on the situation" reports that Iverson has an account worth $32 million that he cannot access until he turns 55 years old that feeds him $1 million annually.

That account, Vecsey writes, was created by "(someone) who cared a great deal for Iverson and grasped the extent of his habits, loyalties and generosity."

When he turns 45, the 36-year-old Iverson will be eligible for an NBA pension that would pay him $8,000 a month, according to the Post. The longer he waits to tap into that, the greater the monthly payout would be.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-03-02/allen-iverson-net-worth-philadelphia-76ers

fredoooooo:


Hahahhahahahha bro as usual always a 3 setters against vika , I even bet on it . Sharapoopoo next ..
Gasquet Wawrinka is table tennis #stantheman

The thing tire me o . See as dey restless

Gasquet vs Wawrinka would be nothing short of orgasmic tennis. They'll be plenty of Ooohs and Ahhhs on show tomorrow. I'll be heading to Henman Hill to watch the game live.

chic2pimp:


The thing tire me o . See as dey restless

Gasquet vs Wawrinka would be nothing short of orgasmic tennis. They'll be plenty of Ooohs and Ahhhs on show tomorrow. I'll be heading to Henman Hill to watch the game live.

Henman hill ? prayer sections on top of mountain abi ? You are blessed bro

A40:

It always amuses me when Afrodoc thinks men just dey hype German players for hyping sake! If I hype a German player best believe I can back it up.

Injuries were not kind on Mehmet, Btw 99-01 you could make an argument that he was the best AM in all of Europe. He was a genius

It always amuses me when you and Dayo hype German players but every British player mentioned was over-hyped according to you.

We are mentioning all time greats and Dayo wanted to drop Best and Charlton from the list and put Littbarski .

Another time he was trivializing Italian defensive acumen as a precursor to hyping German defenders

The fact that i am a United fan doesn't mean i haven't followed German football for decades(from the days of Football Made in Germany), and i give German greats like Franz, Der Bomber and Der Afro credit. I have seen tapes of Netzer, Overath e.t.c

Funny thing is i have never even supported the British national teams, i have always been pro-Dutch cos of Cryuff except for the Zidane years when i was pro-French.

fredoooooo:


Henman hill ? prayer sections on top of mountain abi ? You are blessed bro

Yes ke nah ori oke I dey go

Murray Mount!. C'mon Andy!

afrodoc2:

We are mentioning all time greats and Dayo wanted to drop Best and Charlton from the list and put Littbarski .

Littbarski ko Lisicki ni

StarBoard:

Ivetson's case is worse because he signed a nearly $100 million contract with the 76ers and he owned an endorsement deal with Reebok.
He had no excuse to go broke except maybe for the hood life and entourage hanging on for the money

This is what finished Iverson. Bling bling and feeding dozens of adults AND their families with little money coming in. Remember that all these people to had to buy their own bling bling.

chic2pimp:




Littbarski ko Lisicki ni

lol no, it is toogbaski omo yapa......yaskiii

SailorXY:

more money more problems perhaps

lol more like more money less sense

afrodoc2:



NO! Everything German is better than everything British.
All German players are better than all British players, German Language is better than English Language, German Nkwobi tastes better than English Nkwobi and of course German Ipokripo sounds better than English Ipokripo

And German women are finer, classier and 'sweeter ' than British women.

StarBoard:

you brought him into the argument by referencing him.
The last time we all checked nobody called weah in this debate except you and the subject was Messi's place among all-time greats.

maybe you need to read the posts all over. I used different players as examples, lesser players have won trophies, great players didn't win, I asked if those great players should be called shyte since they didn't win such. For example emenike won afcon, drogba didn't. Kantogo won afcon, kanu didnt

nyabinghi:
maybe you need to read the posts all over. I used different players as examples, lesser players have won trophies, great players didn't win, I asked if those great players should be called shyte since they didn't win such. For example emenike won afcon, drogba didn't. Kantogo won afcon, kanu didnt

stop comparing nobodies to the debate that has messi & maradona in it. maradona won trophies for club & country. messi is an underachiever for his country. that is the difference between the two.

afrodoc2:


It always amuses me when you and Dayo hype German players but every British player mentioned was over-hyped according to you.

We are mentioning all time greats and Dayo wanted to drop Best and Charlton from the list and put Littbarski .

Another time he was trivializing Italian defensive acumen as a precursor to hyping German defenders

The fact that i am a United fan doesn't mean i haven't followed German football for decades(from the days of Football Made in Germany), and i give German greats like Franz, Der Bomber and Der Afro credit. I have seen tapes of Netzer, Overath e.t.c

Funny thing is i have never even supported the British national teams, i have always been pro-Dutch cos of Cryuff except for the Zidane years when i was pro-French.

The truth is 99% of all English players are overhyped. The only two English players I saw and was impressed with are Gascoigne and Paul Scholes coincidentally those two are not even talked of enough compared to the other Sunday sunday skill-less players they shout all over.

We know the English in a bid to say dem sef get players start mentioning some 2 left legged players

There is a reason England hasnt made a major final for close to half a century while Germany has produced 4 generations of winners(74/76, 80/82 set, 90/-96 set, 2010-2014 set) since then yet we always hear how all their players are world class and would be all timers everywhere.

Going by that alone if we should do a mash up of Germany and England there shouldnt be any English player in the top 40

SailorXY:

all these guys are big ballers mehn, I no know why I no pursue career in football

that RvP Range tho

Na d one wey succeed be this ones. There might still be your mate training hard playing every day under Bridge in corners of Lagos, frustrated but still dreaming of breakthrough.

When I did My NYSC in Lagos, I met some guys in the field in Ikeja Barrack (I think that was airforce Barrack, I usually went through Maryland). That was our venue for NYSC football training every Fridays. There was this local team which trained there as their normal ground. Some of the players who were probably above 30 already at the time were still dreaming of playing in Europe.

I had so much pity for them because I felt they were stuck. One particular one, didnt even have skills. the worst is that he had no other job. Even me that was far far much younger was just playing for fun, but old men were dreaming - self deception I thought.

In the festac area , the same. Men wey don train under sun for years, yet no breakthrough and some no quality skills when you play against them. Although some were really young. I met one guy in Ojo military Barrack training ground, near Vogts , he couldnt have been more than 17 and he was really good and their second best player.

Most of them survive from little money made from being hired as mercenaries, their ex training pals who got clubs in Easter Europe, China, etc. Some are Nigerian league reject. Although that 17 years said he didn't fancy the idea of playing in the local league.

When you see people football has frustrated, who wished they pursue education side by side, or instead, you will be consoled. You will say may be you really would not have made it. Even Etim Esin, how much did he make? Amuneke doesn't look like someone who earned foreign currency before. These were identified, got to the promise land but got their careers truncated.

No regret too much.

raumdeuter:


The truth is 99% of all English players are overhyped. The only two English players I saw and was impressed with are Gascoigne and Paul Scholes coincidentally those two are not even talked of enough compared to the other Sunday sunday skill-less players they shout all over.

We know the English in a bid to say dem sef get players start mentioning some 2 left legged players

There is a reason England hasnt made a major final for close to half a century while Germany has produced 4 generations of winners(74/76, 80/82 set, 90/-96 set, 2010-2014 set) since then yet we always hear how all their players are world class and would be all timers everywhere.

Going by that alone if we should do a mash up of Germany and England there shouldnt be any English player in the top 40

Winners abi? I mentioned Moore, Charlton and Best for a team of greats in the 60s.... a decade in which German teams won little of note and in which these British guys won European Cup,World Cup and Ballon D'or, You were still complaining.

Your winners of 80-82 set were not dead when Kevin Keegan was dominating German football and winning consecutive Ballon D'or playing for Hamburg.

afrodoc2:


Winners abi? I mentioned Moore, Charlton and Best for a team of greats in the 60s.... a decade in which German teams won little of note and in which these British guys won European Cup,World Cup and Ballon D'or, You were still complaining.

Your winners of 80-82 set were not dead when Kevin Keegan was dominating German football and winning consecutive Ballon D'or playing for Hamburg.

If it was strictly 60's then you might have a point but Beckenbauer made more impressions in the 70's

And I would think Marzolini, Rivera and Eusebio would make it ahead of Moore, Charlton and Best if you remove your Anglo centric glasses

If na 80's Which Keegan? Is that not the decade of Maradona, Van Basten, Platini, Rummenigge, Gullit, Zico, Paolo Rossi? How Keegan was take enter abi na the England parapo you wan use again

if dem ask you the great players of the 2000's I'm sure you would include Joe Cole and Nicky Butt

raumdeuter:


If it was strictly 60's then you might have a point but Beckenbauer made more impressions in the 70's

And I would think Marzolini, Rivera and Eusebio would make it ahead of Moore, Charlton and Best if you remove your Anglo centric glasses

If na 80's Which Keegan? Is that not the decade of Maradona, Van Basten, Rummenigge, Zico? How Keegan was take enter

charlton, law & best were the legends of the 60s. they formed the original holy trinity before tevez/rooney/ronaldo reinvented it in 2008. charlton, law & george best all won their ballon d'or in the 60s.....that should tell you how they must have dominated europe in that particular decade.

coogar:


stop comparing nobodies to the debate that has messi & maradona in it. maradona won trophies for club & country. messi is an underachiever for his country. that is the difference between the two.

He doesn't understand that there are levels like a ladder. In a ladder with 10 steps, how can anyone bring names of players from far lower steps (let say step 5, 6,7etc) into discussion involving steps 1 and 2?

Even if Emenike wins a champions league now on top of his Nations cup he can't be on same step as Okocha or Oliseh who are in far lower steps than Messi . If Forlan had won the world cup in 2010, he wont be on same step as Messi. If Rojo had won a world cup, he will still be far lower than Vidic in the ladder.

The players in the top tier of the ladder, lets say 2 to 3 have exceptional attributes that have placed them there. Exceptional skills, one or two of the best players in the world during their time, won trophies.

To move from tier 2 to tier 1, the player should be undisputable best player of his generation and beyond, the player must have magic moments in the world cup that even generations unborn will applaud when they come, he should have a stand out performance in world cup crucial stage /match, the player must win a world cup, he must have helped his club to win trophies.

Wetin con concern Emenike for this?

If BighiNya can understand what I am trying to illustrate, he will stop the argument.

elampiro:


He doesn't understand that there are levels like a ladder. In a ladder with 10 steps, how can anyone bring names of players from far lower steps (let say step 5, 6,7etc) into discussion involving steps 1 and 2?

Even if Emenike wins a champions league now on top of his Nations cup he can't be on same step as Okocha or Oliseh who are in far lower steps than Messi . If Forlan had won the world cup in 2010, he wont be on same step as Messi. If Rojo had won a world cup, he will still be far lower than Vidic in the ladder.

The players in the top tier of the ladder, lets say 2 to 3 have exceptional attributes that have placed them there. Exceptional skills, one or two of the best players in the world during their time, won trophies.

To move from tier 2 to tier 1, the player should be undisputable best player of his generation and beyond, the player must have magic moments in the world cup and that even generations unborn will applaud when they come, he should have a stand out performance in world cup crucial stage /match, the player must win a world cup, he must have helped his club to win trophies.

Wetin con concern Emenike for this?

If BighiNya can understand what I am trying to illustrate, he will stop the argument.

he actually understands but majority of today's fans are messi-whipped. no one is saying messi isn't great. in his generation, he's arguably the best player. however, we are not talking about his generation alone. we are comparing his generation to maradona's gen and pele's gen.

coogar:


charlton, law & best were the legends of the 60s. they formed the original holy trinity before tevez/rooney/ronaldo reinvented it in 2008. charlton, law & george best all won their ballon d'or in the 60s.....that should tell you how they must have dominated europe in that particular decade.

Na only original trinity? Why not original Holy Ghost.

Would they be considered better than Eusebio or Rivera? Eusebio is one of the greatest European footballer ever Almost singlehandedly lifting Benfica throughout the 60's

raumdeuter:


If it was strictly 60's then you might have a point but Beckenbauer made more impressions in the 70's

And I would think Marzolini, Rivera and Eusebio would make it ahead of Moore, Charlton and Best if you remove your Anglo centric glasses

If na 80's Which Keegan? Is that not the decade of Maradona, Van Basten, Platini, Rummenigge, Gullit, Zico, Paolo Rossi? How Keegan was take enter abi na the England parapo you wan use again

if dem ask you the great players of the 2000's I'm sure you would include Joe Cole and Nicky Butt

It is Mazzola not Mazzolini.

1) It was a team of the 60s so i have a point.

2) Mazzola was primarily a forward and not a midfielder so he can't displace Charlton from that line up. Let him go forward and displace Pele lol
Charlton in the 60s won the World Cup, European Cup, Ballon D'or, and was 2nd in Ballon D'or on 2 other occasions.
Even your emperor Franz gave him props ,he was not over rated. From 65-70 he was the best midfielder in Europe.

3) Was Keegan over rated when he was dominating German Burn this League down to win consecutive Ballon D'or? That is my question

4) Eusebio again was a forward he can't displace Charlton from that line up abi you wan field 10 strikers ni? remove your Anglophobic glasses

5) If you mention Rivera or Luis Suarez that is a reasonable debate, instead of mentioning all German players from Carsten Jancker to Bruno Labbadia

raumdeuter:


Na only original trinity? Why not original Holy Ghost.

Would they be considered better than Eusebio or Rivera? Eusebio is one of the greatest European footballer ever Almost singlehandedly lifting Benfica throughout the 60's

they were better than eusebio
charlton won a world cup in 66.....won ballon d'or & won the champions league. the funniest thing is charlton's team destroyed eusebio's team to win the champions league trophy. the game is on youtube - go and watch it!

raumdeuter,
So Paul Gascoigne and Scholes were better than Garry Lineker and Alan Shearer? I am not sure.

Garry Lineker was the first real name I think I got used to in English football. That guy was very good. My cousin told me about a certain Ian Rush but I dont know what he did.

Marzolini was a defender.

Would you say Charton or Best was better than Eusebio and Rivera even though its a personal opinion you too would admit it came from a English tinted glasses

Keegan was good but also overrated what did he win at Hamburg? One league title? Do I need to say Hamburg won 2 more legues immediately he left one UEFA final runners up and One Champions Cup

In National colours, he was a monumental failure.

elampiro:

raumdeuter,
So Paul Gascoigne and Scholes were better than Garry Lineker and Alan Shearer? I am not sure.

Garry Lineker was the first real name I think I got used to in English football. That guy was very good. My cousin told me about a certain Ian Rush but I dont know what he did.

There were many players who are better than Lineker and Shearer in their time. Shearer was basically a local champion and extremely overrated by the English media. His greatest weapon was headers just like Andy Carrol and He was even an inferior version of Oliver Bierrhoff who the Germans dont even rate very high

But Scholes and Gazzza I see players who had natural skill that can stand their peers in other countries of Europe. Its because of Scholes quiet nature and Gazza bad boy image that made them not media favourite

Scholes is a player I wish played for Bayern in his prime

raumdeuter:
Marzolini was a defender.

Would you say Charton or Best was better than Eusebio and Rivera even though its a personal opinion you too would admit it came from a English tinted glasses

Keegan was good but also overrated what did he win at Hamburg? One league title? Do I need to say Hamburg won 2 more legues immediately he left one UEFA final runners up and One Champions Cup

In National colours, he was a monumental failure.

Marzolini?
What is Marzolini doing in this debate? I even thot you meant Sandro Mazzola of Le Grande Inter, he was an all time great....Marzolini is a footnote. wtf?
Oh oh you are now disrespecting Keegan of 2 Ballon D'or fame but you were hyping bow-legged Littbarski who won one FA cup title in his whole club career, afterwards playing for clubs in Japan and Tonga Island

coogar:


they were better than eusebio
charlton won a world cup in 66.....won ballon d'or & won the champions league. the funniest thing is charlton's team destroyed eusebio's team to win the champions league trophy. the game is on youtube - go and watch it!

Charlton dumped Eusebio out of the World Cup in 66 and European Cup in 68.

afrodoc2:


Charlton dumped Eusebio out of the World Cup in 66 and European Cup in 68.

charlton was a bad ass with that his bald head. he ran that midfield better than xavi. eusebio could have won the CL. he had a chance to make it 2-1 to benfica but our goalie became de gea & saved eusebio's wicked shot. eusebio started clapping for the goalie. charlton had had enough & became something else in the extra time. he slaughtered benfica in that extra time it wasn't funny.

This Dayo no fear God sef.
Saying that Charlton who won World Cup,European Cup, Ballon D'or , Ballon D'or Silver TWICE should be removed for Littbarski who played for Cologne,FC Paris, United Chiba and Brummell Senda.
My researchers tell me that the only personal award Littbarski got was Goal of the Year

Dayo the Thunder wey go fire you ehn...........

afrodoc2:


Charlton dumped Eusebio out of the World Cup in 66 and European Cup in 68.

Charlton had people who played with him in a team unlike Eusebio

Muller dumped Ronaldo out of Euro 2012, World cup 2014