davien:
And isn't evolution about the origin of species?
In one article an hypothesis was verified...
http://www.nature.com/news/mystery-of-darwin-s-strange-animals-solved-1.17138

there is no such thing as evolution .

davidylan:


Anichiebo, let me explain your own "science is researching" argument.

My brother and I are arguing about the sum of 2 and 3. I say the answer is 5, my brother says it cannot be 5. I ask him how he knows it is not 5, he says he has no idea but is sure it can never be 5, just because... i ask him for evidence, he says mathematicians are still trying to solve the problem but i should just believe that 2+3 is not 5. Now anytime i say that 2+3 = 5 because there is no rational basis for it to be anything else, he just chants "god of the gaps"...

Again let me repeat... your preconceived, but completely factless insistence that only science can explain the origin of the species is behind the constant use of the "god of the gaps" mockery. I asked you to do the math (which is still a form of science by the way)... what is the statistical probability that universal laws of physics and biology sparked life on earth and on no other part of the planet? You have a pen, paper and calculator... start working.

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KingEbukasBlog:


there is no such thing as evolution .

there is no such thing as MACRO evolution... micro evolution/mutation does occur and has been proven in the lab.

davien:


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when all else fails... post a video by some unknown person. I can see the science behind this video for sure... published in nature.

davidylan:


This statement attempts to indicate that we have concrete proof that the universe existed in an ordered fashion. That is quite false... infact the whole premise of evolution is that it all occurred via random mutations and that we evolved to what we are today because those random mutations that conferred evolutionary/survival advantages were retained while those that did not died off. Its funny how on one hand, atheists argue for an uncoordinated, random process of biological evolution YET claim that the universe started out as an ordered system (completely going against the 2nd law of thermodynamics by the way)... with no evidence. I asked very clearly... how did the physical laws that you say make the big bang "predictable" start? Where they always in existence? Rather than answer clearly, you resort of course to the tired waffling.

So now, since I did not support a chaotic preuniverse and Universe, you have decided to argue instead for it! Are you talking to me or yourself where did all these off-points come from?

davidylan:


How does evolution explain how the species that allegedly evolved appear in the first place?

How life began is not known..how species originate by diverging and inheritance of traits is evolution...

davidylan:


there is no such thing as MACRO evolution... micro evolution/mutation does occur and has been proven in the lab.

Thanks for pointing that out

davien:
How life began is not known..how species originate by diverging and inheritance of traits is evolution...

ok so on what basis are you crying about id?

Kay17:


So now, since I did not support a chaotic preuniverse and Universe, you have decided to argue instead for it! Are you talking to me or yourself where did all these off-points come from?

your support or lack thereof is not important. Either you have evidence or not, which you dont have. Not interested in empty speculation precisely to fit a preconceived idea. I have not "argued for it", i have simply said exactly what the science behind the big bang has said all along. Nothing new... the argument is from your side. Primodial soup was not my idea... it came from the very scientists you venerate... perhaps you can argue with them as to why their original idea of a chaotic pre-universe is completely wrong.

davien:
dust or dead organic matter... try using dust as a fertilizer!

The body is made up of materials and minerals found on the surface of the ground . This is 2015 bro , no explanation for ignorance

davidylan:


when all else fails... post a video by some unknown person. I can see the science behind this video for sure... published in nature.

It addresses the "statistical improbability" of events which you claim makes life impossible therefore 2+2= god and why such arguements fail fundamentally because the odds of finding anything a particular way is astronomical....

davien:
How life began is not known..how species originate by diverging and inheritance of traits is evolution...

Yes!. But ID postulates that all species on earth right now were ready made by a designer.

KingEbukasBlog:


The body is made up of materials and minerals found on the surface of the ground . This is 2015 bro , no explanation for ignorance

So your logic is since the same materials for soil are also found in your body therefore ground=body
your stupidi.ty levels are rising i can see.... and a nice equivocation fallacy

davien:
It addresses the "statistical improbability" of events which you claim makes life impossible therefore 2+2= god and why such arguements fail fundamentally because the odds of finding anything a particular way is astronomical....

How? It uses the "improbability" that a leaf will fall in an exact location as evidence that the statistical improbability that a spark of lightening will start life on jupiter tomorrow can happen? Its amazing the sort of leaps of illogical faith atheists will go to support completely bizarre hypotheses, while laughing at religious faith groups.

anicheibo:

Yes!. But ID postulates that all species on earth right now were ready made by a designer.

and other than hand waving and pathetic "i dont knows"... what does science postulate instead?

davien:
So your logic is since the same materials for soil are also found in your body therefore ground=body
your stupidi.ty levels are rising i can see.... and a nice equivocation fallacy

So your own logic instead is that somehow a spark of lightening created protein which then created DNA (never mind the fallacy that protein creates DNA by the way), which then seeded life? I need gargantuan amounts of faith to believe both sets of illogical arguments... no difference.

davidylan:


ok so on what basis are you crying about id?

About the guy that says it's science but can't list one experiment ever done to attest to any of it's claims....like where said designer/designers came from...
Instead you put together responses like the human dna can fit in a pin point therefore ID lol!..

davien:
About the guy that says it's science but can't list one experiment ever done to attest to any of it's claims....like where said designer/designers came from...
Instead you put together responses like the human dna can fit in a pin point therefore ID lol!..

and what experiment have you listed in support of the scientific alternative?

As usual, when all else fails - resort to mockery, false laughing with emojis, youtube videos, fringe website links, faux outrage... run away.

davien:
So your logic is since the same materials for soil are also found in your body therefore ground=body
your stupidi.ty levels are rising i can see.... and a nice equivocation fallacy

I noticed you didn't refute this post ... you just accused me of equivocation . Classic davien !

davidylan:


So your own logic instead is that somehow a spark of lightening created protein which then created DNA, which then seeded life? I need gargantuan amounts of faith to believe both sets of illogical arguments... no difference.

The difference is KEB's quote is there for all to see....all you can do is say random off-hand comments over and over again ...

davien:
The difference is KEB's quote is there for all to see....all you can do is say random off-hand comments over and over again ...

Perhaps you should spend some time wowing us with the science rather than caterwauling about the post of others... just saying.

See as Kay17 and thehomer dey flee from davidylan. Oga david, you too much joorh.

anicheibo:

Yes!. But ID postulates that all species on earth right now were ready made by a designer.

you see , the strongest evidence of evolution is the presence of fossils . That's why you believe complex life forms came from simple life forms , developing (evolving) over the years and is deemed as science ... but its not .

davidylan:


your support or lack thereof is not important. Either you have evidence or not, which you dont have. Not interested in empty speculation precisely to fit a preconceived idea. I have not "argued for it", i have simply said exactly what the science behind the big bang has said all along. Nothing new... the argument is from your side. Primodial soup was not my idea... it came from the very scientists you venerate... perhaps you can argue with them as to why their original idea of a chaotic pre-universe is completely wrong.

Sigh. . .

KingEbukasBlog:


I noticed you didn't refute this post ... you just accused me of equivocation . Classic davien !

When someone points out you've made an illogical fallacy and you respond he didn't refute you... stupidi.ty levels are well past beyond breaking points here..

Thats d thing u keep missing davidylan... science has no concrete answer as to how life arose thats why it keeps saying "I dont know", which is far more honest than inserting a designer at that point. ID has no proof to assert it claims, it just keeps using THE GOD OF THE GAOS ARGUMENT

davidylan:


and what experiment have you listed in support of the scientific alternative?

As usual, when all else fails - resort to mockery, false laughing with emojis, youtube videos, fringe website links, faux outrage... run away.

Yep and in all else you'd say a wizard is sufficient to explain the origin of everything...

davien:
When someone points out you've made an illogical fallacy and you respond he didn't refute you... stupidi.ty levels are well past beyond breaking points here..

you keep calling others stupi.d, even though you posted earlier that proteins are the building blocks of life... i mean, seriously. How totally self-absorbed can one get...

davien:
When someone points out you've made an illogical fallacy and you respond he didn't refute you... stupidi.ty levels are well past beyond breaking points here..

Showing you how foolish you are has been come a hobby
1.
refute

prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.

2.

prove

demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.

3.

Evidence

Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion

Going back to the basics has proven to be useful in cases like davien's

anicheibo:
Thats d thing u keep missing davidylan... science has no concrete answer as to how life arose thats why it keeps saying "I dont know", which is far more honest than inserting a designer at that point. ID has no proof to assert it claims, it just keeps using THE GOD OF THE GAOS ARGUMENT

Oh please stop with the nonsensical whining. Its like you're not capable of reading past your mental block. I just explained at least 3 times that the idea behind ID is firmly rooted in the science...

1. that the statistical probability of random chance creating life is close to zero...
2. that the degree of biological complexity is far beyond anything science can ever explain to have occurred purely by chance...

Again, as i said earlier, you have no credibility to disavow one hypothesis when you have no alternative hypothesis. You cant say 2+2 is not equal to 4 and then say "but i have no idea what it could be". On what basis then do you think 4 is the wrong answer? Just because...? Its hilarious when you say ID has no proof to assert its claims when you admit that science has no claims at all!

davien:
Yep and in all else you'd say a wizard is sufficient to explain the origin of everything...

if you've got a better idea then please regale us... we are all ears.

UyiIredia:


No, they can't. Even when they do (such as amino acids found in meteorites) they are useless. For instance, life uses left-handed amino acids the amino acids found in meteorites contain a mixture of left and right handed amino acids.

So we have both chiralities available in nature what is your point?

UyiIredia:

Proteins.

Okay but their precursors do.

UyiIredia:

They are. The brain computes and hearts pump blood. I make the inference to God since intelligent humans build systems analagous to living things.

Computers function very differently from brains. Hearts also function very differently from water pumps. Well that inference is unjustified since you only have information about humans not about some God.

UyiIredia:

I have. If natural processes can't make life they can't evolve it. I did say the first argument was a negative one. It's the second argument the positive case for design rests on.

But you don't know that natural processes can't make what we consider as life you can only assert it.

UyiIredia:

If you don't have evidence showing how DNA naturally arose then your stance that DNA and life came about naturally falls apart.

No it doesn't fall apart. It simply means that I don't know. The fact that I don't know exactly how something happened doesn't mean I have to accept a supernatural actor.