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malvisguy212:
English dictionary's defined scripture as bible, your defence is weak. Okay, where is the book Allah referred muhammed to ? Allah continuous making reference to this book indicate how holy this book is, allah will not referee muhammed to a none existence book. Where is the book?

adewalker:
. Now I can help u when u clearly came here not do debate but u came with a heart not ready to listen,I already answered ur questions,but here u are begging the question,so since it seems u don't know wat to say again,maybe u can't provide me the answer to a simple question,can u provide me a verse in the bible where jesus said worship me or dt he will die for the sins of man?,and after that pls can u give me the verse in the bible where God says he is three in one or where abraham,moses and the rest worshipped jesus?ur responds will be deeply appreciated in time

malvisguy212:
thank you sir, I almost mistook you for the fake truthman, welcome.

lexiconkabir:
@bolded was the word bible derived from english? again the torah(laws of moses) and injeel(gospel from the lips of jesus himself) are the books we were referred to.

adewalker:
. Seems u didn't bother reading my post,that's y u styl asking this questions,I already told u moses came with a message called the torah,david came with a message called the psalms,jesus came with the message called injeel,I was jst trying to correct u,becos no prophet came with anytyn called the bible,the bible word was gotten for greek word called biblos.moses message was lost wen he broke the tablet,meaning all dt was left were the words he spoke to the jews,In my earlier post I told u,this jews after moses died,started changing it to please their new religion...judaism,moses never preached judaism,if u should wake moses up today and ask him,o moses wats was ur religion he wouldn't say judaism,rather he will say my religion is the one in which I submit my self to God's will...one word for that in arabic is islam...when jesus was alive also,wen he was preaching to the multitude,was he carryiing a book to read from?of course not,it was his sayings...those sayings is what is called the injeel,and if u were to check the bible the words of jesus in it...are so small it can't fill the a page of a newspaper,the bulk of the new testament are the words of a self appointed prophet,a man called paul,who never even met jesus,paul brot out christianity after jesus died,jst like the jews brot judaism afta moses,if jesus was to be alive today and we ask him,o jesus wats ur religion he won't say christianity cos he never even heard the word rather he will say my religion is the one in which I surrender myself to God's will,for example wen he ws being pursued he cried unto God,God let this pass by me,but let their will be done,in the prayer also he said our father who hath in heaven....let their will be done on earth as its in heaven...so u see from here jesus religion is the religion in which he surrender hiimself to God will...one literal word for that in arabic is islam...and the person that surrenders himself or herself is called a muslim.... Mohammad didn't say jesus was nt the son of God,but I am the son of God,mohammad didn't say don't worship jesus,worship me,he only came to deliver the message God sent him,by reminding man that he should serve God directly,by not associating partners with,becos this is blasphemy,and we both agree God never forgives that

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, (1)this laws(torah) are still practiced by the muslims, unlike what you told me on some certain thread that jesus came to abrograte the law or the law was already broken(so-to-speak), this implies christians practice lawlessness. actually the main objective of the torah and injeel is the preaching of the oneness of God(not three in one), this is what we muslims are ask to follow............

(2)yes they are differences, paul told many lies, contradicting jesus, hence being part of those that corrupted the bible.

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, (1)this laws(torah) are still practiced by the muslims, unlike what you told me on some certain thread that jesus came to abrograte the law or the law was already broken(so-to-speak), this implies christians practice lawlessness. actually the main objective of the torah and injeel is the preaching of the oneness of God(not three in one), this is what we muslims are ask to follow............(2)yes they are differences, paul told many lies, contradicting jesus, hence being part of those that corrupted the bible.

malvisguy212:
why do you muslims chose to lie like this? Do you know more than Allah or muhammed ? Allah say he gave Jesus a book and you are saying NO it is not a book.
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and
WRITTEN......
What does the above quranic verse indicate? The scripture are in WRITTEN material before the coming of muhammed .
Quran 4:54
Or do they envy mankind for what Allah
hath given them of his bounty? but We
had already given the people of
Abraham the BOOK AND WISDOM , and
conferred upon them a great kingdom.
Quran 4:163
….and to David We gave the Psalms
Quran 5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the
Gospel: therein was guidance and light,
and confirmation of the Law that had
come before him: a guidance and an
admonition to those who fear Allah.
And this verse say the gospel that was given to Jesus is a. Book:
Quran 19:30
He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's
servant; God has given me the BOOK,
and made me a Prophet."
Were is this book given to Abraham,Moses , David and Jesus ?

lexiconkabir:
)yes they are differences, paul told many lies, contradicting jesus, hence being part of those that corrupted the bible.

malvisguy212:
this lead to another question.

When you say corrupted, it mean ,it is the original document but men corrupted it , in other word ,it is the Original word of God which you claimed Paul corrupted, thank God you even mention the name of the corruptor, now answer this:
Why will an ominipotent Allah not know in the future, Paul will corrupt his word YET ask muhammed to make confirmation from the same book which will be corrupted in the FUTURE ? If Paul should play such an important role in corrupting Allah word, why won't Allah give warning about Paul ? Don't you think anytime you say the bible is corrupted, you are trying to say Allah fail to guide his word (after he had VOW to protect them ) ?

malvisguy212:
thank you sir, I almost mistook you for the fake truthman, welcome.

truthman2012:
Thank you bro.

truthman2013) is as fake as the quran and hadith.

truthman2013:
That must have been because of the level of your illiteracy or perhaps you are suffering from cataract. If you can't differentiate between real 'truthful man' and 'lie-man2012 despite the fact that I type in red while lie-man doesn't, I can't help but shake my head for you.



Old man, I noticed that you went into a temporary oblivion after I challenged you. Watssup with you?

..truthman.

malvisguy212:
why do you muslims chose to lie like this? Do you know more than Allah or muhammed ? Allah say he gave Jesus a book and you are saying NO it is not a book.
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and
WRITTEN......

What does the above quranic verse indicate? The scripture are in WRITTEN material before the coming of muhammed .
Quran 4:54
Or do they envy mankind for what Allah
hath given them of his bounty? but We
had already given the people of
Abraham the BOOK AND WISDOM , and
conferred upon them a great kingdom.

Quran 4:163
….and to David We gave the Psalms

Quran 5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the
son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the
Gospel: therein was guidance and light,
and confirmation of the Law that had
come before him: a guidance and an
admonition to those who fear Allah.

And this verse say the gospel that was given to Jesus is a. Book:

Quran 19:30
He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am God's
servant; God has given me the BOOK,
and made me a Prophet."

Were is this book given to Abraham,Moses , David and Jesus ?

malvisguy212:
just like the quran copied from the bible and then called the bible(the original) fake and and the quran (photocopy) real. This is exactly what you are doing.

malvisguy212:
@lexiconkabir
You don't have to rush and answer this question, take All you time and answer it, don't allow satan to manipulate you to war against the word of God. Thank you.

truthman2013:
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Illiteracy is a disease that kilks faster than AIDS.

truthman..

adewalker:
. I already wrote on how the quran confirms the torah and the injeel,u should read if first,bt seems u nt interested in watever answer we give,cos u didn't come to debate,

malvisguy212:
nonsense, you say the injeel and torah is not a book but are just saying, but the quran say the injeel and torah were given to Jesus and Moses as a BOOK, do you know more than Allah ? The quran encourage the Jews to judge by the torah, if the torah was not an oral message , how can they judge by it ?

adewalker:
. Pls bro,always try to be calm wen reading my post,am putting in plain english,in ur bible God gave moses the tablet,bt moses broke it,that tablet is the original torah,bt he broke it,so how did moses revealed God's then? He started preaching using his mouth thru revelation from God,the hard copy from God,he already broke,so all was left,were the revelations he got from God,which he relates to the children of isreal,this oral messages he administered to the children of isreal is called the torah,meaning law guiding the children of isreal,so after a while,moses died,so the jews started compiling everytyn moses had said into a hard copy book,bt the original tablet,God gave moses,moses already broke,after moses died,the jews found a different religion,called judaism...tho they styl believe in God,but it didn't follow the teachings of moses,so they started twisting the words moses had originally had said,they started formulating things while attributing it to God....the same with jesus,jesus came with a revelation from God,called the injeel.when jesus was preaching up and down the in jerusalem,was he carrying a book?,and this is wat am telling that u styl don't get,he wasn't carrying a hard copy,the revelation jesus come with is called the injeel,revealed in the quran as the book....so in this injeel and torah,they basically saying the same thing,"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one",moses said exactly those words,moses said the same thing...but after jesus had left the earth,people started writing things on their own,decieving people it was from God,the original message jesus preached,they threw it away,for example in ur bible,the words of jesus are not even up to a page of a newspaper,all we have are the words of a man called paul,who is telling u,he is from God...so God rebukes such people in quran 2:79" then woe to those who write the book with their own hands,then say'this is from God' in order to exchange it for a small price,woe to them for what they have written,and woe to them for what they earn"..........pls read and get wat I said before u reply

malvisguy212:
listen!!!
God wrote the Ten Commandments a second time (Exodus 34:1), because Moses broke the first set of stones
(Exodus 32:19; 34:1).
This 2nd set was placed into the wooden ark (Deuteronomy 10:1-5). The
Ten Commandments were written on both front and back (Exodus 32:15).
The law of Moses was copied upon stones also (Joshua 8:32; 24:26).

All what you are saying here are without scriptural backing, you are forcing your interpretation on God word, and your explanation is contradicting Allah quran, NO muslim will accept your explanation here, I wanted to say this before, but I must say it."I do not believe the quran when it say Jesus was given a book,because Jesus do not write anything as claimed in the quran, the gospel Jesus bring was about the KINGDOM of GOD , Jesus preach the kingdom,it is only David and Moses that were given the psalm and the law."

Did you say the message in the bible is not much ? You muslims are one of the bias and untruthful set of people, why are you allowing satan to manipulate you ? Read the bible and quran, which book give more details about the teaching of Jesus ? Jesus never speak for himself in the quran.

adewalker:
. I said the words from jesus mouth in the bible are not up to a page of a newspaper,quote me anytime...the bulk of the new testament are stories from anonymous writers...the quotes from jesus in the bible was is not up to a page of a newspaper,quote me...the quran is not a story book to start telling u how this one did that,God is not a story teller,God just make us aware of the message he came to deliver which was ,"hear o isreal ur God our lord is one"mark 12:29,jesus said that's the most important commandment...so my brother since u say jesus was carrying a book up and down while he was preaching,bring us this book of gospel jesus used and we muslims we accept it

malvisguy212:
Jesus message in the bible is not much ? What about the quran ? Did Jesus speak His word in the quran ? The message of Jesus can be found ONLY in the bible.

I was arguing against the claimed made in the quran, the quran claimed Jesus was given a book, which I don't believe, you are the first muslims that is denying this. Jesus was not given a book as claimed in the quran but he preach the word the father gave to Him:

John 8:38 I SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

And Jesus did not speak His own word but the word which the father gave him:

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Mark1:14-15
» Now after John was put in prison,
Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the
gospel of the kingdom of God, and
saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the
kingdom of God is at hand. Repent,
and believe in the gospel."

Luke 4:43
» [Jesus] said to them, "I must preach
the kingdom of God to the other cities
also, because for this purpose I have
been sent."
Luke 8:1
» Now it came to pass, afterward, that
[Jesus] went through every city and
village, preaching and bringing the
glad tidings [gospel] of the kingdom of
God.

Luke 16:16-17
» The law and the prophets were until
John. Since that time the kingdom of
God has been preached, and
everyone is pressing into it. And it is
easier for heaven and earth to pass
away than for one tittle of the law to
fail. )

Matthew 24:14
» And this gospel of the kingdom will
be preached in all the world as a
witness to all the nations, and then
the end will come.

The inspired Word of God makes it
abundantly plain: The "good news" that
Jesus Christ brought was about the
Kingdom of God! The "gospel of Jesus
Christ" is simply the message of good
news that Jesus preached,not a message about Jesus. So the quran misinterpret Jesus by saying He was given a book. Thank you for your time.

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?

malvisguy212:
no muslims have been able to answer this questions, yet they will open their filty mouth and say 'the bible is corrupted.

malvisguy212:
Quran 16:44
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

I'm sure the muslims know the quran was not revealed in writing. Therefore the 'writings' above refers to the earlier
Scriptures. The written proved their MUST be copies going on circulation. okay!!!


I challenge ALL muslims to answer the
following questions, if properly
answered, you will discovered soo many
lies has been told against God word:
1. At what point did the people corrupted
the Torah and Injeel, was it BEFORE
islam, during Muhammad's time of
AFTER him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
non-existent to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how
was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) has been
corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
6. Why will God ask muhammed to make
confirmation of the corrupted scripture
(injeel and torah) ?