₦airaland Forum

obailala:
Please forget the issue of March 28th, GEJ was a failure of a leader, the SW had absolutely nothing to gain from GEJ so they were under no obligation to vote for him. And while you may want to erroneously accuse the SW of voting PMB because of his vice, may I remind you of 2 things:
1. A yoruba man was also Buharis vice in 2011 but 90% of SW still voted for Jonathan.
2. Almost half (45%) of the SW voted for GEJ in the last election so it would be unfair and myopic to just generalise that the entire SW voted a dictator. As a matter of fact, the reason more south-westerners are even supporting buhari today is because of the reaction of the Igbos after the election, i.e. the way the SE has continually thrown insults and preached hate messages against them.

Also, have you ever wondered why the middle-belt which voted massively for GEJ in 2011 decided to switch to Buhari in 2015?... The answer is simple, GEJ wasn't a good leader (even though only the Igbos were blind to this). For the middle belt and SW, the last election had absolutely nothing to do with tribe, if PDP had fielded any other person from the Niger delta, there is absolutely no way the old dictator would have smelt victory.

And finally, regarding the restructuring, I could stake my life that there was absolutely no way GEJ was going to make any move in that direction. So for what reason exactly should the SW have voted GEJ?

xtrorse:
Here is the opinion of Senator Adeseye Ogunlewe:


** Igbos In Lagos State: My Experience, By Senator Adeseye Ogunlewe

Lagos State belongs as much to the ethnic Igbo as to the Yoruba, Ijaw, Hausa, Fulani, Efik, Idoma, Urhobo, Itshekiri, Edo, and so on who live in it, pay tax, identify with it, and settle in it. That compact was made the moment Nigeria became a single nation, and a successor power to the old principalities who were subdued and who ceded their sovereignty for the new commonwealth of Nigeria .
It was pragmatic. The Igbo had the skill and the industry, and Lagos was the seat of the Federal Government of Nigeria and its major port.

The Igbo have lived in Lagos since the 15th century when the Aro and other Igbo first settledin good number in a place we nowcall “Oyingbo” in the era of Benin and the Portuguese trade.

The arrival of Dr. Namdi Azikiwe to Lagos in 1937 from Accra after his studies in the United States, stimulated the political and cultural environment of Lagos as no other has before or after him. Zik literally resurrected the wizard of Kirsten hall from political death. Zik represented Lagos in the western house. The NCNC was the power in Lagos , and not the Action Group. The Igbo were prominent in the governance of Lagos in the Lagos City Hall.

The institutional development of Lagos – the railways, the ports andship yards; the education and research facilities; the Banking and Commodities Exchange, the development of towns like Yaba, Surulere, Ebutta-Metta, Festac Town, Victoria Island, and now increasing the Ajah-Lekki axis, and of course, the ghettoes along the Orile-Badagry axis, have profound Igbo imprimatur.

The circulation of the image of Lagos is to date best reflected in the cosmopolitan Igbo imagination of one of the greatest African writers of the 20th century, Cyprian Ekwensi, a thorough Lagosian if there was any. Igbo have built industries in Lagos and have been drivers of commerce and exchange.

Interestingly, I was born at plot number 8, Okoya Street , Idumagbo- Lagos, while the Ojukwu families were residing at number one to three on the same street. I grew up to know the father of Odumegwu Ojukwu. Chimbizie and Azuka grew up withus on the same street. Even the Chibeze small parking space at the end of Okoya Street is called Ojukwu. I later attended St. Patrick Primary School , Idumagbo, where I had very amiable classmates of Igbo origin in the persons of Azubike Ezenwa and Damian, Ihekuna, both now professors and doctors of today. They were brilliant, resourceful and friendly.

When we were playing bamboo and Tene Felele at Orikoriko at Onola playing ground, the Igbo participated actively. In the area of sports, school football and athletes, Igbo were dominant at Kings College, St. Gregory school, St. Finbars, Akoka, Igbobi College and Ahmadiyya College, Agege. Such boys, Njokwu, George Amu, Stephen Keshi, Henry Nwosu, Patrick Noquapor, Peter Anieke and Sammy Opone were dominant on the field of football, while Asiodu, Empire Kanu were prominent on the field of athletics.

Anytime we went to watch football match at Onikan stadium, my darling team, Stationery Stores and our adversary team I hated most was the E. C. N, where the centre forward, Paul Hamilton, the National Team, Fabian the captain who bit the dust. Our greatest captain was Duru, Oduah Onyenrekwa, Onyeador Onyeali and Opel, the greatest outside right Nigeria ever had, Cyril Azuluka.

So, during my early life at primary school, the Igbo were always there and delightful to watch, both in athletes and on the football field.

When I listened to radio at that time, both the commentary and drama series, the Igbo were there for you. The likes of Chris Ndaguba, Ernest Okwonkwo, Ralph Okpara ‘Alawo Sekiseki the traveler’. The episode will end with – The script was written by Ralph Okpara and edited by Yemi Lijadu.

Anytime I visited where I was born today in Idumagbo at Lagos Island, the entire place is covered by Igbo traders in their thousands. They were never troublesome but decent and accommodating. They have virtually taken over all properties of the indigenes. They succeeded in developing all our properties, married to most of our children even from the royal families. There is no single house you will visit without an Igbo man selling wares there.

So, who is saying something else? Only the strangers in our midst will not notice participation of economic development in our state by the Igbos. Most houses and shops in Lagos Island have been purchased, developed and occupied by the Igbos. The value of their investments in Lagos Island alone is in trillions of naira.

Instead of deporting the Igbos, whose contributions to the development of Lagos state are immensurable, you must keep on praising and encouraging them to keep on developing Lagos State.

•Senator Adeseye Ogunlewe is a former Nigerian minister for Works and Housing.

http://premiumtimesng.com/opinion/143249-igbos-in-lagos-state-my-experience-by-senator-adeseye-ogunlewe.html

OPCNAIRALAND:
Ibos are scared of vacating Lagos and keep opening topics to ask and get public opinion about the consequence of their absence from Lagos.

Its like a girfriend threatening to separate ways but worried her boyfriend will starve because no one will be there to cook for him.

Face front and worry about your own recovery....his meal will no longer be your headche when you walk out the door. Thousands of women are waiting in the wings to move in and fire up the stove!

Katsumoto:
So many economically ignorant folk making silly comments.

When a group of people leave their land to move to a foreign area, they do so because they believe there are opportunities that exist in the foreign land which do not exist in their own home. You only need to create the same or better opportunities in your home and the migrants should return home. Surely it shouldn't be too hard for this people who make Lagos what it is to create this opportunities at home? Or is it a case of talking out of one's ar.se? Talk is cheap. If migrants can make a foreign land great, surely they can make their home greater.

Why worry about what happens to Lagos if you leave? Let the owners, indigenes, and administrators of Lagos worry about Lagos.

SUBWAY101:
They are the most foolish people on earth. A worthless and useless tribe of cursed wanderers.

SUBWAY101:
Very simple.

honourhim:
Case closed.
The elderly yorubas are giving a true account of Igbos while their young ones are here deceiving themselves with false believe. Now the truth is out from your elders, you young onea should kindly go and hide your faces in shame for paradiing false info all these years. Thank you. Ka chineke mezie okwu.

IGBOSON1:
What spurs Lagos on is contributions from all ethnic groups in Nigeria and not just Igbo or Yoruba! The issue here is that Lagos would lose some economic activity in the short term to other coastal cities in the Niger Delta like Uyo and Port Harcourt, and others like Enugu and Onitsha; but, as has been stated earlier, this void would soon be filled by Northerners!

Another key thing to note also is that the economic survival of Lagos would further depend on the attitude of the Yoruba to the remaining ethnic groups and the few remaining Igbo, as well as if another Republic arises from the Niger Delta or if the ethnic groups in said Niger Delta elect to leave with Ndigbo! If words gets around that -for whatever reason- the locals are intolerant, then this would further exacerbate the issue for Lagos and coastal cities in the Niger Delta would further benefit!

Ugomba:
Igbos are very important in the Lagos economy.. In terms of Importing and Exporting in the ports, Tax paying, SME Controlling, their Industries and Companies in terms of Job creations, Businesses, Market Controlling..
The Igbo Enterprenuers should consider my Asaba for investments..

Cosbyrich:
Lagos and Lagosians to me,are even begging the Ibos to go but the truth is that the Ibos would feel it most because this South West especially Lagos is where we have the highest population of Ibos than anywhere else in the world and Lagos is where they have made their mark.In short Lagos is the Rondon of most Ibos and Lagos has really helped them more than they have helped Lagos.They have also helped. Lagos too.

meccuno:
explain to me why that void wasn't filled by the northerners after the igbos left before the war?

T8ksy:
And why would any ibo stay behind in Lagos when their biafra dream has finally been actualised?

In any case, we will deport any remaining ibos in lagos as we know them now to be our enemy.

@ second bolded above.................and am sure there will be no prize for accurately guessing where such misinformation will emanate from?

Lastly, no ethnic group with a modicum of sanity will opt to go with you greedy, covetous and downright impish guys, rather they will go it

alone.

IGBOSON1:
^^^Why wouldn't some Igbos remain in Lagos? Isn't Lagos part of ECOWAS? Don't you have some of your kinsfolk living in other countries? Or does your anger stem from the fact that the Igbos had the 'temerity' to want self-determination? Isn't it clear to you that for all of us to strive and grow as a people we need to put some 'space' between ourselves?

Igbos don't see Yorubas as 'the enemy' just because we don't want to share the same country with you; conversely though, i can cite instances if you want to show that some Yoruba elite (both dead and living) despise/d Igbos!

This 'deportation' of the remaining Igbos in Lagos or other parts of Yorubaland, how will it be done exactly?.....I'm curious! Will the Yoruba Gestapo go round from street to street looking for any remaining 'y'ibos' to arrest and subsequently deport? What will be your response when bodies like ECOWAS, the AU and UN, and countries like the US and the Uk ask what exactly you're doing and why? Personally, i'd love a situation where you guys actually deport any Igbos silly enough to remain after receiving threats of violence from say Oba Rilliwan, who i'm sure would be in his element with threats of drowning any remaining 'y'ibos' in the lagoon!

'Misinformation' indeed! Dude, your post shows exactly the kind of mindset that would result in others tagging you lot intolerant and xenophobic!.....I wouldn't need to do anything! Any newly emerging nation from Igboland or the Igboland and parts of the Niger Delta would be home to all (including intolerant twerps like you and your ilk), and our cities would be 'no mans lands' where all would be welcome to have a go at reaching their full potential in a fair and competitive setting! There'd be no insulting and patronizing talk of us being anybodies benevolent hosts as long as you work, feed, clothe and house yourself!

On your last paragraph: You talk of Igbos being 'greedy and covetous' (i'll overlook the 'impish' tag).....you want us to do a comparison to see which ethnic group has thrown up more pen and armed robbers? So you actually reckon that, if given a choice, ethnic groups in the Niger Delta would elect to go with you guys instead of Igbos?....I suppose because you guys don't like money; are all as good as gold; treat the Niger Delta and its ethnic groups with fairness at all times; and see them as good as anyone else to govern this country!

ARIZONA123:
. Yorubastard! Shut the fvck up you this accursed son of an infertile who.re mother. Conehead

ARIZONA123:
. Hey bastard! Hw is your who.re mother? Ooops!

IGBOSON1:
^^^Why wouldn't some Igbos remain in Lagos? Isn't Lagos part of ECOWAS? Don't you have some of your kinsfolk living in other countries? Or does your anger stem from the fact that the Igbos had the 'temerity' to want self-determination? Isn't it clear to you that for all of us to strive and grow as a people we need to put some 'space' between ourselves?

Igbos don't see Yorubas as 'the enemy' just because we don't want to share the same country with you; conversely though, i can cite instances if you want to show that some Yoruba elite (both dead and living) despise/d Igbos!

This 'deportation' of the remaining Igbos in Lagos or other parts of Yorubaland, how will it be done exactly?.....I'm curious! Will the Yoruba Gestapo go round from street to street looking for any remaining 'y'ibos' to arrest and subsequently deport? What will be your response when bodies like ECOWAS, the AU and UN, and countries like the US and the Uk ask what exactly you're doing and why? Personally, i'd love a situation where you guys actually deport any Igbos silly enough to remain after receiving threats of violence from say Oba Rilliwan, who i'm sure would be in his element with threats of drowning any remaining 'y'ibos' in the lagoon!

'Misinformation' indeed! Dude, your post shows exactly the kind of mindset that would result in others tagging you lot intolerant and xenophobic!.....I wouldn't need to do anything! Any newly emerging nation from Igboland or the Igboland and parts of the Niger Delta would be home to all (including intolerant twerps like you and your ilk), and our cities would be 'no mans lands' where all would be welcome to have a go at reaching their full potential in a fair and competitive setting! There'd be no insulting and patronizing talk of us being anybodies benevolent hosts as long as you work, feed, clothe and house yourself!

On your last paragraph: You talk of Igbos being 'greedy and covetous' (i'll overlook the 'impish' tag).....you want us to do a comparison to see which ethnic group has thrown up more pen and armed robbers? So you actually reckon that, if given a choice, ethnic groups in the Niger Delta would elect to go with you guys instead of Igbos?....I suppose because you guys don't like money; are all as good as gold; treat the Niger Delta and its ethnic groups with fairness at all times; and see them as good as anyone else to govern this country!

obailala:
The only people opposed to regionalism is the core north, the north central states arent even bothered and would be happy to break away from the domination of the hausa-fulani mafia. If the entire SW, SE, SS and north central agrees to unite in that fight, there's nothing the core north can do. It is not impossible!

phantom:
with the likes of ochendo abi? Look,the igboman has far more important things to sort out than biafra at the moment. Are we even United? Who will lead us in biafra? The fact we are mouthing off and chest beating because of one retard (yeah i think hes deranged) in the UK who keeps insulting people,shows we are not ready.

obailala:
Sorry what I feel is not fear but rather, rage and embarrassment at the shallowness of my people. You will do yourself a lot of good if you can quit your simple-mindedness; not everyone who opposes biafran secession is a yoruba person as most of your little brains keep assuming. Just like I pointed out earlier in my comment, 'comfortable' Igbos are not crazy about the secession moves and will not be supporting it especially due to the senseless way it's presently being promoted on the silly radio station. I am proudly in this category; I support true federalism and resource control, not the balkanization of Nigeria which will greatly affect my businesses.

I can smell from miles away that you must fall into one of the 2 categories of people I mentioned, i.e. the never-do-wells or the dependant students, else you would have been able to see the big picture instead of allowing yourself to be brainwashed by dubious characters.

obailala:
Please forget the issue of March 28th, GEJ was a failure of a leader, the SW had absolutely nothing to gain from GEJ so they were under no obligation to vote for him. And while you may want to erroneously accuse the SW of voting PMB because of his vice, may I remind you of 2 things:
1. A yoruba man was also Buharis vice in 2011 but 90% of SW still voted for Jonathan.
2. Almost half (45%) of the SW voted for GEJ in the last election so it would be unfair and myopic to just generalise that the entire SW voted a dictator. As a matter of fact, the reason more south-westerners are even supporting buhari today is because of the reaction of the Igbos after the election, i.e. the way the SE has continually thrown insults and preached hate messages against them.

Also, have you ever wondered why the middle-belt which voted massively for GEJ in 2011 decided to switch to Buhari in 2015?... The answer is simple, GEJ wasn't a good leader (even though only the Igbos were blind to this). For the middle belt and SW, the last election had absolutely nothing to do with tribe, if PDP had fielded any other person from the Niger delta, there is absolutely no way the old dictator would have smelt victory.

And finally, regarding the restructuring, I could stake my life that there was absolutely no way GEJ was going to make any move in that direction. So for what reason exactly should the SW have voted GEJ?

OfoIgbo:
First of all, Yorubas did not at all give GEJ 90% of their votes in 2011. The voting pattern in Yoruba dominated states was aroun 55-60% for Jonathan, and it was this high especially in Lagos mainly because of Igbo votes.
In actual fact Yorubas in Lagos probably gave GEJ about 20% of their votes, but Igbo votes took it over the 50% threshold because about 99% of Igbos in Lagos voted for GEJ in 2011.
Of course, I imagine that about 10-15% of Yorubas voted for him in Lagos in 2015.

Btw GEJ was far better than OBJ as a president and a democrat. But Yorubas did not mind voting for OBJ in 2003 without nominating a candidate for Alliance of Democracy.
So basically right from the onset Yorubas were always against GEJ, it's just that the Igbo votes masked this in 2011.

The bottomline remains that Yorubas preferred a northern brute and illegal dictator who deserves to be rotting away in some unmarked grave, to a fellow southerner, whose only offence was his naivety and indecisiveness, coupled with the fact that the northern establishment promised to make his regime ungovernable, and yet the Yorubas joined in making the government of this poor man ungovernable, showing no iota of understanding for his plight....Bokoharam and all

All these extra labels you all are attaching to him is simply a case of giving a dog a bad name before hanging it.

Anyway, I cannot forget 28th march and I am pretty sure Ssoutherners won't be forgetting it in a jiffy. History is always important as it helps one to make more informed decisions in the future.

sadoz:
Igbos left Lagos b4 d civil war and Lagos remained Lagos. They trooped back to Lagos. They need Lagos for survival. If they truly doubt dz dey should move out of Lagos and see who will buy their market. Make we just test am for one year.

patrick89:
The only problem we have in igbo nation is people that reason and act like you.

Igbo man doesn't plan beyond one year! and you are doing that now, you are thinking about your property and wealth..

Do you know how blacks suffer in America? The situation they are in today was as a result the mistake of the past.

Have you extrapolated your mind into next 50 years and how your generation will cope in this hate filled, lopsided, Nd never do well country?

Do you know how many of igbo people have been disenchanted due to all these evil act?

You know absolutely nothing about your people, you write like someone that has his brain washed by a typical yoruba person...

I'm sure you live in lagos, and you think you can see nigeria through median..

obailala:
Quit deluding yourself.... The 2011 election results are still online for you to go and review.

GEJ was better than OBJ?.. and i ask, in terms of what exactly?.... Is it security, or the economy or corruption?....

Anyway, sampling opinions both locally and internationally, it's only Igbos that think GEJ was an excellent leader. So please, let's just forget about this argument, the last thing I would want to do right now is to ruin my peaceful saturday arguing with an Igbo man about GEJ's performance.

Have a lovely weekend.

obailala:
You will simply be reasoning like a kid if you assume our problems would be solved automatically the moment we create a thick border blocking us from the rest of Nigerians. Sadly, that is what majority of Igbo youths have been brainwashed to believe, and we are too lazy to reason out of the box.

There is no doubt that Igbo youths have been brainwashed senselessly to believe that Yorubas are our problem and it shocks me that we dont bother to question this fallacy; no assumption could be more stupid, but sadly, that is the case of millions of igbo youths today including yourself.

If there is any ethnic group that has advertised more hate than any other in recent times, it is the Igbos and that is certainly a recipe for disaster.

And yeah, I have never lived in the SW or in the same house with a south westerner. But my reasoning is way beyond the level where I just swallow whatever everyone around me believes/says, just like Igbo youths like yourself who cant think out of the box.

OfoIgbo:
Here you are forcing words I to my moith. Where did I write that GEJ was excellent?
I will continue to say it till THY KINGDOM COME that Yorubas prefer Mumu-hammadu Buhari, a dictator to GEJ, just because he is from the SS.

Getting to your other point with regards to OBJ
1. Corruption. Halliburton scandal is still looming. Also OBJ was the minister of Petroleum in much of his presidency. One of these days, his tenure will be investigated and we will see how pious he was in power

2. Security. OBJ allowed Sharia to flourish in northern states, which led to the Boko Haram that the northern establishment used to undermine GEJ.

3. Economy. Nigeria was recognised as the largsst economy in Africa. OBJ did not record that in the 70swhen he was the military dictator. He did not record it as a civilian president, even though I know he must have done his best, and probably would have attained that feat if he had carried on.

4. Odi and Benue massacres were carried outnin OBJ's govt

OfoIgbo:
Here you are forcing words I to my moith. Where did I write that GEJ was excellent?
I will continue to say it till THY KINGDOM COME that Yorubas prefer Mumu-hammadu Buhari, a dictator to GEJ, just because he is from the SS.

Getting to your other point with regards to OBJ
1. Corruption. Halliburton scandal is still looming. Also OBJ was the minister of Petroleum in much of his presidency. One of these days, his tenure will be investigated and we will see how pious he was in power

2. Security. OBJ allowed Sharia to flourish in northern states, which led to the Boko Haram that the northern establishment used to undermine GEJ.

3. Economy. Nigeria was recognised as the largsst economy in Africa. OBJ did not record that in the 70swhen he was the military dictator. He did not record it as a civilian president, even though I know he must have done his best, and probably would have attained that feat if he had carried on.

4. Odi and Benue massacres were carried outnin OBJ's govt

obailala:
For you to claim that GEJ made Nigeria the biggest economy in Africa, I already understand the IQ class you fall under. Hence, i do not wish to continue this argument.

patrick89:
5. Election rigging and manipulation (remember prof iwu and do and die)
6. Moribund Railway came back under GEJ
7, Planes were dropping from air like leaves.
8. political assassinations!
9. How labour unions went on the streets (oshiomole led labour union
10. He destroyed my lovely state(anambra) using touts
11. corruption like Siemens, Halliburton, $16 billion power project!!!
12.. mention one significant thing Obj did to nigeria? don't you come up with GSM, mtn came to nigeria before OBJ....
13 who remembered Benin ore road, lagos ibadan, and also his actions against tinubu of lagos state, starved LG area their funds...
14 His action against Ibeto etc
OBJ is evil!! and when I see people trying to praise I see wickedness hidden in them!!!