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tayoccu:
Oro wasn't pure evil (kakuzu was pure evil, kisame too), he was just a mad scientist with issues.

WackyJ1:
Actually
Sasuke did have an improved chakra bank because he felt the power of Itachi flowing through him.

WackyJ1:
Sasuke even after getting the EMS still had blood running from his eyes whenever he used amateratsu.

WackyJ1:
Yes everyone has a different power when they activate their mangeykyo Sharingan but the simple requirement for getting a susanno as Kakashi proved (which I suspected a long time before he got the two eyes) is that one must have a mangeykyo Sharingan and both eyes to perform it.

WackyJ1:
Looking at Madara, what special ability does he have again with his MS apart from the Susanno?

WackyJ1:
As for being able to handle a double sharing an, why not? Let's accept that he got the double sharingan from the legal owner, that sharingan was properly put, and from what I saw in the Manga, with the right chakra attached. At the moment he became an Uchiha so to speak, having both sharingan reduces the strain that just one would have.

WackyJ1:
As for the complete body susanno, the only reason that one would not be able to perform it with an MS is due to the strain that manifesting it would take on the owner and hence he would not be able to maintain it for a long while & might not be able to perform it at all if he has had prolonged use of his MS.

WackyJ1:
But with the EMS, the significantly reduced strain on the eyes, allows one to do it when he knows it is possible!

WackyJ1:
I maintain that if Sasuke had not seen Madara, do it he would not know that he could make a complete body susanno. He already had a perfect susanno, ever since he debuted at the bridge, the susanno even underwent further transformation upon getting Itachi's eyes.

Tosyn007:
Dudes just like to kid themselves. What actually is EMS? ETERNAL Mangekyou Sharingan. It just simply translates that MS gets to last forever no matter how you use. Its not responsible for any further upgrades to your eyes, neither does it relieve you of any stress when using them. So you needing EMS to perfect susano'o is sheer comedy.


Jutsus taking their toll are the norms in naruto world, that's why mofos like Madara keep seeking for upgrades. Remember Naruto almost had his hands damages when using wind style rasenshuriken. Pain usually takes time to recover after using shinra tensei and chibaku tensei.

Tosyn007:
An Uchiha body will NOT give out. Cos their body and chakra is made to withstand the stress of the usage of their eyes. In time, they'll get used to it. Kakashi on the other hand doesn't possess that kinda body, that's why he feels a prolonged strain compared to the Uchihas. Itachi was sick. No matter how you try to grammatize it, he can never be at optimum strength. Try writing an exam when experiencing hangover. I can bet that you can't recite A-Z

Mutaino7:
As 4ghost giving chakra shey DAN no give tsunade chakra....

tayoccu:
I'm not saying that's what happened, all I'm saying is that it's possible hizuren may have learnt about yamato while the hoakages were being briefed.
we can't expect kishi to squeeze all the info in, can we?
if he had dedicated a chapter to the briefing, a lot of us would have complained it was a boring chapter.

Ultimatesammie:
so wats d definition of pure evil (not tryna argue by d way)
Kakuzu was in it 4 d money maybe some other things
while obito (wen he was claiming to be madara) told kisame dat he cud rid d world of lies so asked him to join d organisation.

UchihaItachi:
Yes, he's expected to fill all the tiniest details in otherwise it'll just leave people asking questions..but it's not worth arguing about

tayoccu:
I also believe hizuren saw that Oro was just misguided when he raided oro's lab, that's why he didn't kill him there and then, same reason he only took his hands when he could have killed him during their battle.

Kaycee7:
He didn't take only his hands by choice. He was stabbed with Kusanagi. That's why he couldn't take Oro's complete soul with him.

Ultimatesammie:
Pls who knows d OST/instrumental played wen killerbee was talking to d akatsuki in today's episode it was also played wen chouji was running away from d missile sent by one pain in d pain invasion arc.

kimco:
And yet everything we've seen of it shows that PS is associated with ems. Take it or leave it. You're simply reaching for straws here. Your interpretation and the manga's interpretations are different. Do you recon it gets called eternal/ reliever of pains mangekyou sharingan? Pretty much a mouth full don't you agree?

Also the egs are not great egs. Madara was looking to rule the world by becoming an immortal. Naruto nolonger bears that risk, training fixed that problem. And nagato was far away from his puppets that's why it took time to recover. I doubt that's same for his real body. Also it was borrowed eyes even. However with the ms jutsus no amount of training could make you feel less pain. And by the time you "get used to it" you'd be blind, there is no way around it, and that's not even borrowed eyes, that the real deal.

tayoccu:
go back and watch the anime, there was a point where he had half of Oro's soul out, but he didn't cut even tho he had already been stabbed, instead he slipped it back in and decided to take his hands and his ability to make seals.
remember hizuren died with a smile on his face?

kimco:
Are you sure? Because they do go blind before we have the chance to see any of that.

So you're saying the usage of ms didn't aggreviate his sickness? Are you saying that he could've used tsukiyomi, amateratsu, susanoo etc in higher levels than he displayed had he not been sick? I fail to believe itachi didn't showcase his mastery with the sharingan. His only shortcomings would be his body movement, he might've been faster and even more swifter had he been healthier. But the ms skills he demonstrated, that's the best, and it was actually a marvel to behold, think no less.

tayoccu:
go back and watch the anime, there was a point where he had half of Oro's soul out, but he didn't cut even tho he had already been stabbed, instead he slipped it back in and decided to take his hands and his ability to make seals.
remember hizuren died with a smile on his face?

Kaycee7:
He didn't slip it back. He was losing the amount he already possessed, due to his injury. So he decided to manage what he could, rather than lose all.

kimco:
That was an actual technique of that particular ninja. He was respected for that. Same can't be said obito. Ghost sharingan.

hariorh:
Well for the fact that it WAS a technique, makes obito's ghost sharingan even more feasible.

Tosyn007:
Are the eyes not an extension of his body? Who thought you biology? He showcased his mastery truly, but there's no way you'd tell me that was the best he can do when he's sick. You say these stuffs as if the eyes are independent of the body. How would the eyes perform optimally when the body is diseased?

Tosyn007:
What the heck man?! How would you expect an MS that would go lights out in a short while to attain Perfect Susano'o? Sasuke's eyes were already going bling before his susano'o got to his waist. His MS went dead quickly cos he used them too intensely, now imagine him using them to attain complete susano'o. You won't see an MS achieve full susano'o cos of the simple reason which you now know.

WackyJ1:
kimco I no longer know what you're saying.

Sasuke got the perfect Susanno at the bridge, he did the complete body susanno on the battlefield.

If you want to assume that you need EMS to do the complete body suannoo then I would say you must have basis for believing that.

But then the evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.
Especially since like Tosyn pointed out
MS stands for Mangeykyo sharingan
While EMS stands for eternal Mangeykyo sharingan
The eternal meaning that the light in the eyes will never go out.
We also know that upon reaching the EMS, the tomoe changes to a combination of the two MS that make up the EMS.
There is no where it is linked that possessing an EMS gives you a better susanno, Madara did not say it, Sasuke did not say it, the writer obviously did not see it as a criteria that is why he allowed someone that had two Eyes and an MS to do it. A fresh MS.

Let's look at what we know,
A MS grants you the ability to do susanno, when you have the two eyes present in one head.
A MS gradually loses its light over time.
Using certain MS techniques strain the eyes causing them to bleed.

Being a ninja, performing any jutsu at first would take a toll on you especially if you're performing it for the first time or even the second time, but with time and experience it would get easier. In the naruto world, experience is directly linked to chakra level, the more the experience you get, which is mostly from training or through live battlefield action, the greater your chakra. So performing the same jutsu with more experience using it, would not take as much toll on you and the chakra consumption would be less than before.

Now combining everything that I have mentioned before
I can make some conjectures.
Sasuke got the perfect Susanno at the bridge where he fought danzo, and Kakashi.
He only achieved the complete body susanno after seeing Madara do it during the war and he didn't need to develop it stage by stage like the way he got the perfect Susanno. He saw something and adapted his body and chakra to doing that even when he hadn't done something like that before.

The fact that Sasuke's sharingan still brought out blood while performing the amaterasu simply means that there is still physical strain on the eyes but light in the eyes will never go out true to the full meaning of EMS.

The fact that Sasuke performed the susanno without any evidence of pain alludes more to the fact that through experience with the technique the strain on his body was significantly reduced as with all techniques that one does over time. There might still be pain whenever he uses the technique but it's gone down to the level where he got hold off showing it visibly.

All that is not due to the EMS, the EMS was not made to magically solve problems with techniques.

kimco:
So in other words, dead obito can give two eyes to a person of choice even tho he died with one? And this was his technique all along? Oh wow. Just keeps getting better by the moment

Mutaino7:
Ask him if it was kishi that translated what was written in viz manga..... anime wey get direct link to am watch am and get back to us here with proof that we lied..... what you took 4 plothole was just a translation mistake on your part...reason being that even in yoruba language for example paa means kill, beat, off so for a foreigner whose knowledge is no well grounded he/she might mistake kill for beat(whereas beat in yoruba can also b translated as noo/naa) i hope u get my drift...

landinfo:
It'z funny how people "use" anime or fillers to butress their point....it'z an unforgivable abomination to try or even attempt such


Arguementz/Debatez startz & end ONLY with the manga [not anime] & it'z a known fact that Mangapanda isn't a defined site for manga intrepretationz even Mangastream[both are illegal sites & that is why if u check properly, those illegal sites always pray & hope that we @ the end of the day, buy the volumez & also buy the DVDz of the anime legally so as to support the company & the author in general]

I know what 'm doing is nut good like reading & watching illegally cos it'z painful to work like an elephant & reap little or nothin like an ant----if u think it's proper, ask nollywood producerz, 9Ja musicianz or hollywood guyz, let them tell what it is like to lose millionz if nut extra-millionz on their hard-earned workz.

The only properly certified & defined interpretationz cum.z from the volumes [WSJ, VIZ, etc] which are properly distributed into different languagez with the consent of the mangaka who supervises them cos that is where his salary, allowancez & bonuses cum.z from. Funny enough people say English interpretationz takes time cos they try their possible best not to mislead the public that would buy such workz or volumez.