ExInferis:


Research, yes. No arguments on that. But we were talking mobile devices. On that field in R and D Apple is quite spendy and innovative. Let's review the innovations, shall we?

Hardware
1. Gorilla glass. Apple helped Corning revive the strengthened glass business.
Wtf is this? Where did you read this from? Samsung has being using Gorilla glass since the era of Galaxy S1
2. Six degrees of freedom sensors via accelerometers, gyros, magnetometers.
This started way back in the era of Nokia
3. Proximity Sensing
Nokia
4. Retina display
Grammar? What does Retina display mean? So Samsung stole display from Apple? i don die Apple has used marketing term to take your cash away. No matter how "Retina display wanna be" it can never be like AMOLED from Samsung. Btw, the same retina that is 750p. 2011 technology
5. Glass panel on back
This is innovation right? Well, sony has being having Glass back on their phones for years
6. Pentaband antenna integrated into the frame
Stolen from HTC, check below
7. Liquid metal components
Major OEMs do this
8. sealed battery
Innovation right
9. Touch ID
Grammer. Finger print is finger print and mind you, Motorola Atrix is the first phone with finger print scanner
10. 3D Touch
Stolen from Samsung S4. Its the same as Air View and Air Gesture
11. Taptic Engine
Its on most phones

What then followed were a string of companies, the most visible of which is samsung, that suddenly began copying everything the iphone did and is doing and claim to be original. What were samsung phones like before the iphone? What was android like before iphone?

I really laugh when people shout Samsung copies Apple. What does Apple do? They don't copy right.. Their newest iPad pro is a rip of Surface Pro and their "pencil" rip off of "S pen" from Samsung

see the attached images:

Pic 1 was the original android prototype, the Sooner, running the very first android. see how much it looks like a blackberry?

Pic 2 shows the G1 and its icons and interface looking very much like the iphone

Pic 3 shows the Galaxy S and how much it copied the iphone, leading to the lawsuit samsung was ordered to pay Apple for infringement

Pic 4 Shows how the Galaxy S6 looks a lot like the iphone 6, including ripping off the Touch ID Sensor mechanics, and even the earpods.

we can argue about this all day, and i dont even like Apple, but sometimes i get woried when people forget who started this recent mobile trend and accuse Apple of not innovating. every Android manufacturer competes on specs alone, while waiting for apple to release something new so they can all rip it off.

Whats the new thing Apple has released since the demise of Steve Jobs? Apple is the greatest copier at the moment. From OS to Harware to Features

everyone used to make fun of Apple's lack of sdcards, sealed battery etc. Now every OEM is copying these features, even samsung which was more vocal than the rest.

Samsung debuted thier newest phones without sd cards simply cos their SOC Exynos 7420 doesn't support it(UFS built in) and they removed the battery to make the phone slimmer. Their next phone would come up with sd cards cos SD 820 supports both UFS and sd card.

Macbooks are cloned (HP Envy series, Asus zenbooks etc) with everyone going Unibody, Chiclet keyboard, wide glass multitouch touchpad etc.

All the designs on Macs is stricly thought by Apple and they didn't copy anything

Oh, and Samsung Pay?! omg, how original. Just copy of Aplle Pay. they even stole the finger enrollment animation from Apple!!

[b]Do you have sense at all. Samsung bought Loop Pay. What did you expect them to rename it? Now tell me since you know more.. Wasn't Google wallet in existence before Apple pay at all and Samsung Pay is even better and more recognised cos it doens't need only NFC to work

Here are the stolen features Apple blantantly stole on Android and ported it to iOS 9
1. Picture-in-Picture. Samsung calls this Pop-Up Play
2. Spotlight. Google now makes the searches completely, and Apple stole it just like that
3. iOS Notes. Google calls it Google Keep
4. New Apps. HTC calls it Blinkfeed
5. Low-power Mode
6. Siri Reminders stolen from Android
7. Split Screen & Multi-tasking
8. Contextual searches: Google Now on Tap
9. Smarter watch faces: Android Wear


Here are the stolen features Apple blantantly stole on Android/Samsung and ported it to iOS 8
1. Typing suggestions
2. Support from third Party keyboard
3. Wigets
4. Actionable Notifications
5. Okay Google’, conveted to 'Hey Siri’

Here are the stolen features Apple blantantly stole on Android/Samsung and ported it to iOS 7
1. Notification Center
2. Enhanced Sharing Options and Peer-to-Peer WiFi Sharing
3. How safari displays its opened tabs
4. Cards-Based Multitasking View stolen from Samsung
5. Camera Collections and Photo Management


Did you know Apple stole Swipe to unlock from NEONODE?
Did you know iPhone 6 is a rip off of HTC One?

“If you see a stylus, they blew it.”

"No one would want to buy a phone with a big screen."

"In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it."

Steve Jobs -2010

Whats happening now to Styluses, multi tasking and Big Screen Phones? [/b]

ollah1:

Wtf is this? Where did you read this from? Samsung has being using Gorilla glass since the era of Galaxy S1

ollah1:

This started way back in the era of Nokia

ollah1:

Nokia

ollah1:

Grammar? What does Retina display mean?

ollah1:

So Samsung stole display from Apple?

ollah1:

i don die shocked grin Apple has used marketing term to take your cash away.

ollah1:

No matter how "Retina display wanna be" it can never be like AMOLED from Samsung.

ollah1:

Btw, the same retina that is 750p. 2011 technology

ollah1:

This is innovation right?

ollah1:

Well, sony has being having Glass back on their phones for years

ollah1:

Stolen from HTC, check below

ollah1:

Major OEMs do this

ollah1:

Innovation right

ollah1:

Grammer. Finger print is finger print and mind you, Motorola Atrix is the first phone with finger print scanner

ollah1:

Stolen from Samsung S4. Its the same as Air View and Air Gesture

ollah1:

Its on most phones

ollah1:

I really laugh when people shout Samsung copies Apple.

ollah1:

What does Apple do? They don't copy right..

ollah1:

Their newest iPad pro is a rip of Surface Pro

ollah1:

and their "pencil" rip off of "S pen" from Samsung

ollah1:

Whats the new thing happened has released since the demise of Steve Jobs? Apple is the greatest copier at the moment. From OS to Harware to Features

ollah1:

Do you have sense at all. Samsung bought Loop Pay. What did you expect them to rename it?

ollah1:

Now tell me since you know more.. Wasn't Google wallet in existence before Apple pay at all

ollah1:

and Samsung Pay is even better and more recognised cos it doens't need only NFC to work

ollah1:

All the designs on Macs is stricly thought by Apple and they didn't copy anything

ExInferis:


You thought wrong. Im in the habit of kissing arses to MAKE money. I dont kiss arses to SPEND money. So there.





I dont know what you mean by innovation. To me 64bit is innovative, motion co-pro is innovative, Taptic Engine is innovative, 240 frame slomo is innovative. Except if you're comparing with samsung and consider a range of gimmicks as innovation.

Look! A curved screen! Yay, go science!

Pah.

As for copying: well, who was found guilty of copying and ordered to pay? Samsung!

Apple started the whole craze: accelerometers, gyroscopes, proximity sensors, sealed batteries, gorilla glass, capacitive multitouch, pinch to zoom, slide to unlock, glass panels, etc. Hell even the current samsung offerings look so much like the iphone, including sealed batteries, no Sdcards, even the earpods.



Well, there once was a little device called the Apple Newton which had a touchscreen and stylus, way back in the early 1990s.




If it says "Pro", it's not meant for you. In any case the iPad mini is very much cheap for all you scrooges. Or you can try a Galaxy Note.



Goodluck having the Z5 premium set the world on fire. How many UHD TVs have you even seen? Or 4k content? 4k is overkill on a mobile device, except for when VR goes mainstream. And the Z5 is 4k only some of the time. For most usage it dumbs down to good old 1080p, so nyah!

And the iphone, with its meager 1gb and dualcore, is more fluid than your octacores (decacore is coming) and 4gb rams. That's smart design! So double nyah!!





No one buys their hardware just for specs. When steve jobs introduced the original iphone, the emphasis was on software. In that period Nokia was king of the hill, and what was Nokia known for? Killer hardware, poor software? So where's Nokia now? Same thing happened to Blackberry.

While the android world is littered with behemoths packing powerful and excessive hardware (and still lag) just to accommodate an OS centered around a virtual machine (Dalvik and ART), Apple nimbly gets by with modest hardware and clever software.

Why do you think Nexus devices focus more on pure android than raw specs?

And dude, windows cant be optimised for crap. You optimize based around a target hardware combo. Wintel is based around diversity of hardware, so how do you optimise for the myriad of hardware choices and OEM idiosyncrasies out there?

Apple is neither xiaomi, nor is it samsung. It doesnt have to cater for a broad spectrum of customers simply by designing no-margin products (xiaomi), or tossing everything haphazardly at the wall to see what sticks (samsung)

Apple is Apple, catering for people with taste and without the time to start messing around with memory cards, drivers, root and whatnot. Apple is the Burberry of phones. Apple is the Bentley of gadgets. Those without style, substance or purchasing power can step into those Tecno booths!


I make my purchasing decisions baswd on need and budget. Ive a mixture of devices, my next purchase will be the Elephone Vowney. I dont buy specs nor brand. I buy what i feel serves my purpose.

Oh, and those sheep? Totally outclassed the lifeless droids.

sexyse027:
apple are simply the best in market. i got my already i hope you guys can go out there and buy urs

martineverest:
Stop all diz long epistle...u ve not answered d question i earlier asked.WHY DIDNT APPLE USE OSX(MAC OS) ON IPAD PRO? and WHY DID APPLE PLAGIARISE MICROSOFT SURFACE TABLET?.....i guess ur apple av started xperiencing gradual downfall.iphone is the next,cost SURFACE PHONE IS ON THE WAY.

martineverest:

Stop all diz long epistle

martineverest:

u ve not answered d question i earlier asked.

martineverest:

WHY DIDNT APPLE USE OSX(MAC OS) ON IPAD PRO?

martineverest:

and WHY DID APPLE PLAGIARISE MICROSOFT SURFACE TABLET?.

trishguy:
fact is that apple and every other tech company copy themselves one way or the other,for example the ipad pro is a balant rip off of the surface pro3 and the iphone 6s is nothing but a disappointment ...the only true innovative product apple ever churned out was the original iphone...ipod and the first ipad which helped in solidifying the prescence of tablet devices.......what is the difference between the devices in the two pictures nothing except tiny insignificant differences the first is the ipad and the second is the surface

martineverest:
Apple has lost it.steve jobs laughed at using stylus and swore neva to introduce or bundle it with apple product..just 5yrs later,ipad pro comes with stylus.jobs must be crying.
Apple have lost its innovative quality.copying microsoft surface pro 3 tablet have shown dat microsoft is gradually leading the tablet war.After reading apple fans reaction to launch of ipad pro on theverge.com and imore.com,the new ipad is doomed to fail.it ll take special efforts for apple to win surface tablet fans over.as 4 samsung,dey are gradually loosing the smart war to microsoft...apple dif with jobs

tumababa:


You killed it.....
You boko haramed it......
You murdered it......
You finished.....

I will print your post and laminate it.
You just made my sunday and the whole week.

12 iphone 6S already pre ordered

ExInferis:
1. Gorilla glass. Apple helped Corning revive the strengthened glass business.



'It was brought into commercial use when Apple asked Corning for a thin, toughened glass; it was used in the new iPhone.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Glass#History

2. Six degrees of freedom sensors via accelerometers, gyros, magnetometers.



built into the n95, but not enabled for orientation switching until after the iphone.

"The first smartphones to feature built-in accelerometers–among them, the Sony Ericsson W910i and the [b]iPhone[/b ]–didn’t begin arriving atmarket until 2007-2008, right around the time the companies building them began filing motion-interface patents of their own."

http://allthingsd.com/20100324/motion-control-a-powder-keg-in-the-mobile-patent-war/

"The first phone with a gyro that matters was the iPhone 4."

http://www.quora.com/What-was-the-first-cellphone-ever-to-feature-a-gyroscope

http://www.livescience.com/40103-accelerometer-vs-gyroscope.html


3. Proximity Sensing



http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/in-a-win-for-apple-motorolas-proximity-sensor-patent-ruled-too-obvious/



4. Retina display



high pixel density screen, as first seen on the iphone 4



Not the term, but the principle. every phone that comes after the iphone 4 touting pixel density on a 'retina' level owes it to the iphone 4.



now you sound like a douchebag



Apples to oranges. retina display refers to pixel density, amoled refers to a display technology. completely different things. you can have high density pixels on either lcd or amoled.



every technology eventually becomes obsolete. your 1080p is being supplanted by 2k, and then 4k. As at when the iphone 4 came out, no other phone had its resolution and pixel density. After the iphone 4, every OEM started packing up the pixels and touting resolution.


5. Glass panel on back



It is. So innovative, it formed one of the key features that defined the term "premium". And didnt it form one of the signature innovations of the Galaxy S6/Edge and Note 5?



Care to mention which ones, specifically?

6. Pentaband antenna integrated into the frame



The iphone 4 was released in 2010; the HTC One M7 in 2013. The iphone antennas were integrated into the steel frame while the HTC M7 has its antennas hooked via cables from a daughter board to the cover on the back in a traditional design. Different things.

7. Liquid metal components



Such as who and who, in what components, and before or after Apple, which bought the major developer of Liquidmetal?

8. Sealed Battery



Absolutely. Since it allowed Apple to design consistently thin phones, before everyone else got on the bandwagon, including samsung. You yourself said as much with regards to samsung's S6. Apple started the trend right from the original iphone.

9. Touch ID



Nope. The underlying technologies differ, in that the Atrix technology is the traditional swipe type of mechanism similar to the one on the Galaxy S5. Apple innovated the technology with an optical sensor and suddenly samsung, huawei, meizu et al hopped onboard. There's no denying this.

10. 3D Touch



Stop embarrassing yourself. 3D Touch is pressure sensitive interaction based on how much pressure you apply to the screen. Air View uses the proximity sensor to calculate contact-less gestures.

11. Taptic Engine



Bullcrap. this first appeared on the New Macbook and the Apple Watch, and now the iPhone 6S. however you're free to name such other phones it appears on since "Taptic Engine" is an Apple trademark.




it does. Judge Judy Koh ordered samsung to pay Apple millions in copyright infringement.




they do. but at the same time they've a roster of innovations in computers, phones, tablets and software. it's in their history, if you care to read. There's a reason steve jobs is well-known. who knows about the founder/CEO of samsung?



Considering the ipad pro is just a bigger ipad, and the ipad existed way before the surface, i must disqualify your claims.



The Apple MessagePad released way back in 1993 had a stylus.




this is just asinine and not worth any response.



Something more imaginative and original.



Yep. and it was POS that never had any mindshare even among the Android user base. Wallet crashed and burned, necessitating a revamping into the confusing Android Pay/Google Wallet offering AFTER Apple Pay proved successful.



Your opinion backed by no research.



It's left for you to prove that they did.

Bottom line:

Apple is making a ton of money, currently it has more cash than any other company, more revenue and more profits. While Apple is making billions, Samsung is losing money, and is on the verge of downsizing its workforce. The last samsung phone that made any money was the Galaxy S4! Says a lot about innovation, right?

Next time do a little homework before you come stomping and frothing all over the place like a typical android fanboy.

heppie1st:
I don't think you understand what Apple has done in the tech world....

JustCalMeDBoss:
Everything on the announcement is so meh, galaxy tab and surface pro had a pen for like ages, the 3d touch thing is just a form of right click.

martineverest:
Dia are 2 major owners of stylus patents in d world:wacom(samsung pen and cintiq are products of dis)and n-trig(apple pencil and surface pen),which is owned by microsoft.

martineverest:

incase u dönt know,apple pencil is worth $99,while surface pen is $50.the $49 diff Is what apple pay microsoft 4 using microsoft intellectual property.

martineverest:

Moreover,ipad pro smart cover is worth $169,while surface cover is worth $130,the diff of $39 is what apple pay microsoft

martineverest:

....with all diz,i wont be suprised to see iphone 7 ane ipad pro 2 come with 'continuum' feature

martineverest:

u talked about apple's newton,dont 4get dat apple took ideas 4rm windows xp tablets dat were made in early 2000.

martineverest:

Apple refused to make osx(tho,not torch base,she shud av taken a clue 4rm microsoft 4 merging ARM and x86 into windows 10 continuum)

martineverest:

d OS of ipad pro because it will jeopardise d future of ios devices,macbook and macbook air;and reinforce windows dorminance(since most macbook users are fund of installing windows in dia system) especially in enterprise market

If i get one for you will you blow my díck?

yollychika:
I have 3 already n wee buy 6s plus too

martineverest:
I guess u also know dat apple is also waiting 4 microsoft to launch its revolutionary augumented reality device,HOLOLENS,before jumping on microsoft patents to produce its own.

simiolu1:
Guys on here, kudos to you for the comments. I read each one up till this point. These will be my submissions

1. The reason why apple succeeded in changing the mobile device market was that they realised that software was the ish. Hardware to apple is secondary. During an event Steve Jones once said that the IPod is essentially a software and that's why it's different from other mp3 players.

2. Steve was crazy about designs. He was a design major and knew the importance of Good design to successful products.

3. The user experience of every Apple device is premium. No doubt.

However, competitors would not fold their arms and watch you take over the market. If that happens, the monopoly isn't good for the consumer. So Google, Microsoft and Samsung are there to make sure Apple doesn't loose sight that in the market, the consumer is king.

Innovation is broad. It ranges from design to hardware and even software. Everyone innovates. And that's why innovation is different from invention. Sadly only few companies invent new stuff these days.

Also note that innovation is taking an existing product, good or service and improve on it while invention is creating a new product, good or service which is there first of its kind.

In this parlance, everyone is allowed to copy someone.. Just that you must be smart about it.

In the android world, hardware is king but in Apple world, software rules. To each his own.

If only there was a way to port iOS to my S4.

ExInferis:


Man, im quite impressed with Hololens. more than i am with Oculus Rift!

It's quite possible that Apple may go into VR and AR, but only when the market for these so far niche products mature. But microsoft and Apple now are hardly competing, since they both give their OS for free: both aiming to rope people into their respective ecosystem, ; and Google Search, App engine .
It's a tag team deathmatch: Apple and microsoft versus google and Amazon. (yes, Amazon! Apple TV is competing with Amazon FireTV and Apple may soon begin original content to beat out Amazon Prime streaming. )

martineverest:
Haha..now u know dat apple,microsoft and facebook are actually best of friends and anti-google.tho,apple and microsoft vowed not to sue each other and both share patents.am quite happy dat azure is gradually taking aws space,while office 365 just overtook google doc.apple just two AR and VR companies,while facebook just opted 4 windows10 as oculus operating system

ExInferis:


Yeah, excess competition is harmful and that's a lesson samsung needs to learn, because their obsession with Apple is leading them to make costly mistakes rather than facing their real competition: the Chinese gang of xiaomi, huawei, zte, lenovo, oppo, OnePlus, and elephone.

Right now im working with some medical consultancy outfit to design a hybrid cloud platform using Azure to help HMOs gather data, from there im pushing for Big Data so that we can better map out patient profiles and predict risk. Exciting times!

Azure is to me tje best thing out of microsoft.

ExInferis:


Yeah, excess competition is harmful and that's a lesson samsung needs to learn, because their obsession with Apple is leading them to make costly mistakes rather than facing their real competition: the Chinese gang of xiaomi, huawei, zte, lenovo, oppo, OnePlus, and elephone.

Right now im working with some medical consultancy outfit to design a hybrid cloud platform using Azure to help HMOs gather data, from there im pushing for Big Data so that we can better map out patient profiles and predict risk. Exciting times!

Azure is to me tje best thing out of microsoft.

martineverest:
Am Happy samsung is graduallz taking corrections by settling d rift btw her and microsoft,thus reducing the billions of dollars paid to microsoft by samsung for using microsoft android patents.samsung is also making a surface-like tablet with windows 10 as d major os.

never knew u are into cloud computing...need to learn 4rm ya.thumbs up.