homesteady:


And don't you know that it's players like Messi who make his defending job harder by not tracking back?
Is attacking the only aspect of a game? No - that means other players play important functions.

If a team has the ball & attacks almost 70% in matches, would there be pressure on the defence of such a team?? We say pique is a beneficiary of Barca's tactics...how many times do I have to repeat this obvious point??

This is like the 100th time I have driven home this point in the last 3 hours thereabout!!

homesteady:


Ermmm.... how many times do I have to say this - He had a good season and even won best save of the tournament! Was it not his UCL form that made people and the press to say he was Neuer's heir?

Stop mentioning that Austin Ejide - wannabe in the same sentence with Neuer just to support Pique's inclusion in that list. What's my business with any yeye save?? I can go on YouTube & upload better saves by the likes of Boaz Myhill, pantillimon & co.

Ter stergen epitomizes wha a top club shouldn't have between the sticks.

homesteady:


O really? Why then does your team not play with a high line defense?
Who doesn't know that is the most difficult style of defending where you are highly exposed to counter-attacks?
Why was the whole world blaming Pep for using a highline against barcelona last UCL season?

Chelsea have never implemented the high line + high pressing + possession football that has been synonymous with Barca over the years. If you want to compare Barca's highline tactics to that of chelsea, that's your wahala...

homesteady:


He became a defensive liability in Man city.

He has & will always be a defensive liability - stop bringing up these kinda issues Abeg!!

homesteady:


Read my post well, I was comparing Hazard situation to Ter Stegen!

Which makes it worse...

Ter stegen has never been a top goalie or player, neither has he ever been in any impressive form, so the comparison with hazard is null & void!!

homesteady:


Lmaoooooooooooo! Bravo won copa America with Chile, it shows you don't know what you are talking about

By your logic, other useless players in Chile that were fortunate to be part of the team have also become "good" over night.

This things wey you dey talk don dey tire me.
.

homesteady:

You would surely make a bad coach! You buy
2 new good keepers, is sharing responsibilities between them the best thing to do?

Which yeye two good goalkeepers?? If you are still on the goalie issue just to score ridiculously cheap brownie points for otu pique, you are on your own..

homesteady:


there is always ab excuse! SMH

It isn't an excuse - it's the absolute truth..

The press was still wanking to the awesome football we saw from Spain, coupled with the fact that they just won the worldcup for the 1st time. The inclusion of casillass (when there were better goalies like VDS & cech), is a testament to this effect!!

barackohandso:
Pique is a world class defender anytime anyday. Critics can't continue to hide under Barca and spain's brand of play to discredit what he has achieved in football. He's won 3 UCL for crying out loud and he did it being an integral member not a bit-part player. Once can be termed luck but thrice? Nah it's special

World class can mean anything.
Dem dey call raheem sterling world class,make of that what you will.

Aareonakakanfo:




To start with, are we judging based on form or overall? i.e what they can do on a good day. Going by the emboldened, does it mean if chamakh is scoring 5 goals per match and messi hasn't scored in the past 10 games, we'll say chamakh is better since its current?

Dayo and that m0f0, seldomly argue with brain. Imagine calling boatank world best cb because of his playmaking ability. Even i prefer smalling to him let alone sergio ramos. Good, you could see how stvpid his argument sounds.

SIRcumalot:

Anybody that watched chelsea in jose first stint with the club can link chelsea dominance to the brilliance of JT,makelele and Carvalho.

jose built a defensive side. any idiöt in that settings would thrive. gallas, paulo ferreira, wayne bridge and even robert huth all fitted perfectly into that system. the system was the success, there's not one stand out performer in that chelsea squad in 04/05 season.

Can you say the same for barcelona with pique and Co
Is pique the main reason why teams don't score barcelona ?

pique was the reason we didn't best barca in 2009. we laid siege on barca in the first 10 mins and pique snuffed out waves of attack after attack particularly from ronaldo. we shoulda gone 3 goals up before barca scored!

I am not beyond reason,
I have toned down my rooney love when faced with reality and I admitted that silva was the better player.
Pique is overrated.

pique is overrated? maybe his medals are overrated too. people tend to undervalue the job players like pique/puyol do in that barca team. a team where 8 of the players are attack-minded.....do you know how difficult that is for the CBs?

SIRcumalot:
World class can mean anything. Dem dey call raheem sterling world class,make of that what you will.

What's your definition of world class?

SIRcumalot:
World class can mean anything. Dem dey call raheem sterling world class,make of that what you will.

What's your definition of world class?

Aareonakakanfo:
I still don't understand where this sudden hype of boateng is coming from. Yes he's okay and currently one of the best due to the whole dearth of quality defenders but he's not special. He's not irreplaceable. There are hundreds of defenders who will do better than him in that same position if he's replaced.If you have versatile players like Lahm and Martinez plus Alaba in your defence and you don't perform then you should re-consider your career

That has always been my point. No top coach will prefer boatank to sergio ramos in his team, despite being older than him. Boatank is a work-in-progress, sergio ramos is a complete package. i will let chiellini play one season for me rather than picking boatank, he is a calamity waiting to happen.

Aareonakakanfo:
The fact that players like boateng are the ones we now have to praise shows something is wrong somewhere? Even all these pique nonsense gan, na condition cause am. Once upon a time when we use to have players like puyol,terry,nesta,zanetti,stam,zambrotta,maldini,cafu. These days na dem boateng and pique we gats manage smh. Boateng will probably be playing for QPR in these guys era

True talk, it's quite unfortunate. It's so appalling when i see peeps hailing boatank, i'm like wtf has happened to soccer?.

Aareonakakanfo:
The fact that players like boateng are the ones we now have to praise shows something is wrong somewhere? Even all these pique nonsense gan, na condition cause am. Once upon a time when we use to have players like puyol,terry,nesta,zanetti,stam,zambrotta,maldini,cafu. These days na dem boateng and pique we gats manage smh. Boateng will probably be playing for QPR in these guys era

you can only beat what's put in front of you. it goes both ways. if zidane, nedved, michael owen, figo, kaka, cannavaro, shevchenko, weah, etc all played in the era of messi/ronaldo, they would never have won a ballon D'or.

coogar:


jose built a defensive side. any idiöt in that settings would thrive. gallas, paulo ferreira, wayne bridge and even robert huth all fitted perfectly into that system. the system was the success, there's not one stand out performer in that chelsea squad in 04/05 season.



pique was the reason we didn't best barca in 2009. we laid siege on barca in the first 10 mins and pique snuffed out waves of attack after attack particularly from ronaldo. we shoulda gone 3 goals up before barca scored!



pique is overrated? maybe his medals are overrated too. people tend to undervalue the job players like pique/puyol do in that barca team. a team where 8 of the players are attack-minded.....do you know how difficult that is for the CBs?

Who was the PFA that year ?
Isn't it lampard.
We didn't lose because of pique brilliance our inability to park a decent bus cost us a UCL medal.
Puyol is a great CB because I saw him before the tiki taka wankfest.
Pique I didn't see
If those 8 player rarely misplace a pass how diffcult is that job.

@barackohandso
A world class player IMO is a top 3 player in his position and is irreplaceable.
Pique has never been any of these.

SIRcumalot:

Who was the PFA that year ?
Isn't it lampard.

and lampard was a defender when he won the PFA award, right?

We didn't lose because of pique brilliance our inability to park a decent bus cost us a UCL medal.

watch the first 10 mins of that game again. there was an incident where all park needed was to hit the ball into an empty net after ronaldo's freekick had a rebound & pique came from nowhere to apply a brilliant tackle.

Puyol is a great CB because I saw him before the tiki taka wankfest.
Pique I didn't see

so it's now pique's fault he isn't the same age as puyol?

If those 8 player rarely misplace a pass how diffcult is that job.

and when barca concedes curved free kicks, corner kicks, etc who do they call upon to bail them out? midgets like messi, xavi, iniesta, villa or jordi alba? or is it the accurate passing that defends the aerial attacks against barca?

get some perspective, biko!

@barackohandso
A world class player IMO is a top 3 player in his position and is irreplaceable.

pique would walk into any club in the world. pique would walk into any national team in the world. pique is world class!

If Johnny Evans played in Barca too, he'd ve benn regarded as a World Class CB. Vermealen hasn't played 24hrs of football for Barca and he's already won the quadruple. In the nxt few yrs, Vermealen would also be regarded as a World Class CB with little to no effort....

AdeLaNa1:
If Johnny Evans played in Barca too, he'd ve benn regarded as a World Class CB. Vermealen hasn't played 24hrs of football for Barca and he's already won the quadruple. In the nxt few yrs, Vermealen would also be regarded as a World Class CB with little to no effort....

so vermalen that never kicked a ball for barca should be compared to pique who never missed a game for barca/spain?

come on, people......

coogar:


so vermalen that never kicked a ball for barca should be compared to pique who never missed a game for barca/spain?

come on, people......

U misunderstand my post. Una dey call Pique world class bcoz of all he'z achieved. Watch him win three or four more trophies this season and watch him jump on the world class bandwagon...

coogar:


and lampard was a defender when he won the PFA award, right?



watch the first 10 mins of that game again. there was an incident where all park needed was to hit the ball into an empty net after ronaldo's freekick had a rebound & pique came from nowhere to apply a brilliant tackle.



so it's now pique's fault he isn't the same age as puyol?



and when barca concedes curved free kicks, corner kicks, etc who do they call upon to bail them out? midgets like messi, xavi, iniesta, villa or jordi alba? or is it the accurate passing that defends the aerial attacks against barca?

get some perspective, biko!



pique would walk into any club in the world. pique would walk into any national team in the world. pique is world class!

You said nobody was a standout player lampard clearly was one.
Also terry won the pFA for players and made the team of the season.
I no fit remember 09 final.still one moment of brilliance from Pique isn't the reason why we didn't win.
I recalled that I gave him credit for his size in my previous post.
Pique won't bench anybody in juve,bayern,and Madrid.

AdeLaNa1:
U misunderstand my post. Una dey call Pique world class bcoz of all he'z achieved. Watch him win three or four more trophies this season and watch him jump on the world class bandwagon...

he's world class because he is......
nothing to do with whom he plays for. remember he had rio/vidic ahead of him in 2008 that prevented him from getting to our starting XI.

as at 2008, no defender on the planet could have gotten ahead of rio/vidic. pique went back to barca & he became an instant hit due to what he had learnt from his superiors at carrington complex!

pique is better than any defender in the premier league and so are boateng & ramos. smalling has to maintain his current form for another 3 seasons to be mentioned in the same breath as those trio!

coogar:


and lampard was a defender when he won the PFA award, right?



watch the first 10 mins of that game again. there was an incident where all park needed was to hit the ball into an empty net after ronaldo's freekick had a rebound & pique came from nowhere to apply a brilliant tackle.



so it's now pique's fault he isn't the same age as puyol?



and when barca concedes curved free kicks, corner kicks, etc who do they call upon to bail them out? midgets like messi, xavi, iniesta, villa or jordi alba? or is it the accurate passing that defends the aerial attacks against barca?

get some perspective, biko!



pique would walk into any club in the world. pique would walk into any national team in the world. pique is world class!

You said nobody was a standout player lampard clearly was one
Also terry won the PFA for players and made the team of the season.
I no fit remember 09 final.still one moment of brilliance from Pique isn't the reason why we didn't win.
I recalled that I gave him credit for his size in my previous post.

Pique won't bench anybody in juve,bayern,and Madrid.

SIRcumalot:

You said nobody was a standout player lampard clearly was one.

lampard was nowhere the best player at chelsea that season. on the top of my head, i would have makelele, cech, carvalho, robben, duff, drogba......before i would remember lampard.

Also terry won the pFA for players and made the team of the season.

so how's lampard the stand out player when different names from the same team keep popping off from your mouth? was there anyone more essential to the way chelsea played that season than the dependable makeleke or the indomitable petr cech?

I no fit remember 09 final.still one moment of brilliance from Pique isn't the reason why we didn't win.

that wasn't the only moment of brilliance. he was imperious throughout the game & we attacked barca like a swarm of killer-bees on the night.

I recalled that I gave him credit for his size in my previous post. Pique won't bench anybody in juve,bayern,and Madrid.

pique would bench varane/pepe at madrid.
pique would bench benatia/alaba at bayern
pique would bench bonucci/barzagli at juventus.

Pique and Boateng, best defenders in the game? Someone must be smoking some cheap stuff.

I thank God there are sensible United fans here.

Chelsea's bus system is the reason Terry looks like a god. If you play Romanus Orjita there, he would have be called a legend by Chelsea fans. When Terry played for England, where there is no bus system, he was exposed. Teams like Croatia raped him @ Wembley.

Pique has always be exposed to counter attack style of football, and he has excelled there. For the past 6 years, he has consistently been putting in excellent performances.

It's a pity some are comparing him to Smalling. How many great seasons has he given Man United? What has he won for his club and country as an integral member?

Give respect to who it's due. Pique is the best defender in the last 6 years.

SIRcumalot:

Don't sleep on suarez or neymar in particular,his actions in the Copa may affect his chances but his peformance for barca was great and if he hit wan kain purple patch....

I don't see what Neymar or Suarez will do or perform again that they can even reach 80% of Messi.

Ronaldo even far outperformed Neymar and Suarez.

You also forget the voting will be done this month or latest next month.

Debroslink:
I thank God there are sensible United fans here.

Chelsea's bus system is the reason Terry looks like a god. If you play Romanus Orjita there, he would have be called a legend by Chelsea fans. When Terry played for England, where there is no bus system, he was exposed. Teams like Croatia raped him @ Wembley.

Pique has always be exposed to counter attack style of football, and he has excelled there. For the past 6 years, he has consistently been putting in excellent performances.

It's a pity some are comparing him to Smalling. How many great seasons has he given Man United? What has he won for his club and country as an integral member?

Give respect to who it's due. Pique is the best defender in the last 6 years.

he's consistently been in the top 3 since 2009 for club and country. i am proud some parts of his football education was from our academy in carrington!

SIRcumalot:



@barackohandso
A world class player IMO is a top 3 player in his position and is irreplaceable.
Pique has never been any of these.

I believe no player is irreplaceable. What if he gets injured or suspended will his team play with 10 players?

Just last season pique was in uefa's team of the season yet you say he's never been a top 3 player

Well it's your opinion

coogar:


lampard was nowhere the best player at chelsea that season. on the top of my head, i would have makelele, cech, carvalho, robben, duff, drogba......before i would remember lampard.



so how's lampard the stand out player when different names from the same team keep popping off from your mouth? was there anyone more essential to the way chelsea played that season than the dependable makeleke or the indomitable petr cech?



that wasn't the only moment of brilliance. he was imperious throughout the game & we attacked barca like a swarm of killer-bees on the night.



pique would bench varane/pepe at madrid.
pique would bench benatia/alaba at bayern
pique would bench bonucci/barzagli at juventus.

Not taking anything away from Makelele he didn't even make the PFA team of the year.
Unlike you that never forgets anything, I need to check the facts before just saying anything to fit my present narrative.

I don't think its unheard of for a teams to have more than one stand out player in a season terry awards that season shows he was a factor..

Varane maybe,the rest never.
Pique works because the system works.
If he had remain in england he probably won't be this big.
We saw how player that don't conform to the system wash out quick.

SIRcumalot:

Not taking anything away from Makelele he didn't even make the PFA team of the year.
Unlike you that never forgets anything, I need to check the facts before just saying anything to fit my present narrative.

don't be surprised....he's not british!
if an english player scored as many league goals as aguero last season, he woulda won the PFA player of the year.

I don't think its unheard of for a teams to have more than one stand out player in a season terry awards that season shows he was a factor..

terry is english, carvalho isn't....
sensible chelsea fans that saw 04/05 season would tell you carvalho was the rock in that defence but then the british has a way of manipulating the public. if an english player and a foreign player score a goal each in a league game, whose name do you think would be in the headline? the foreign player?

all the clean sheets chelsea kept that season(mind you, it was an obscene number of clean sheets) were all credited to john terry. very little was said about the brilliance of cech or the excellent display by carvalho & makelele. it was just terry, terry, terry!!!

Varane maybe,the rest never.
Pique works because the system works.
If he had remain in england he probably won't be this big.

the system works because of pique....he was the pacy defender when he was played next to puyol. barca/spain tend to keep a high line in the way they choke opponents and pack everyone in their opponents half when searching for goal. any break and its pique snuffing out the attack with his long stride and his brilliant positioning.....

We saw how player that don't conform to the system wash out quick.

like leo messi?
pique makes the system work for club and country. he's very vital to the way barca played. puyol & another slow defender wouldn't have been able to work with that system.

slow defenders mean they wouldn't be able to keep a high line thus leaving a big gap between the midfield and the attack. do you know how many head clearances pique make in that team of midgets? you undervalue pique a lot!

coogar:


lampard was nowhere the best player at chelsea that season. on the top of my head, i would have makelele, cech, carvalho, robben, duff, drogba......before i would remember lampard.



so how's lampard the stand out player when different names from the same team keep popping off from your mouth? was there anyone more essential to the way chelsea played that season than the dependable makeleke or the indomitable petr cech?

Whenever you write all these nonsense lines, let it be restricted to your team, man utd. Have you forgotten you have chelsea fans reading all your lies about chelsea here? You said Lampard was nowhere chelsea best player in 2004/2005. What did you smoke before typing that line? You keep posting falsehoods here and there, that season was Lampard's personal best season of soccer career at chelsea.

He won

chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup

Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

Mr. coogar please stop turning truth on its head, it makes you look irresponsible.

airmark:


Whenever you write all these nonsense lines, let it be restricted to your team, man utd. Have you forgotten you have chelsea fans reading all your lies about chelsea here? You said Lampard was nowhere chelsea best player in 2004/2005. What did you smoke before typing that line? You keep posting falsehoods here and there, that season was Lampard's personal best season of soccer career at chelsea.

He won

chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup

Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

Mr. coogar please stop turning truth on its head, it makes you look irresponsible.

you are undoubtedly stüpid......
na PFA award go tell me that makelele was the best player in england in 04/05?

wasn't that how hazard won PFA player last season when he wasn't even the best player at chelsea?

wasn't that how giggs won PFA player in 2009 ahead of cristiano & vidic? i have already explained myself on how the british media manipulate sheep like yourself with their headlines!

turning the truth makes me what? quoting me when i am doing the best to avoid your stüpidity makes your parents irresponsible. if they had done a good job, they woulda tutored you to speak only when you are spoken to.

Current best 3 defenders are Pique, Boateng and Ramos

They said Messi is the one making Pique shine yet pique won EUro cup and World cup without Messi

They said its Puyol, Yet Pique won a treble without Puyol

They said its Mascherano making Pique click yet Pique won a treblw without Mascherano

They said its Xavi, last season Pique won without Xavi

FInally they said its Barcelona, yet Pique wins trophies with Spain

Its only otondos who would think John Terry was a decent defender

coogar:


you are undoubtedly stüpid......
na PFA award go tell me that makelele was the best player in england in 04/05?

wasn't that how hazard won PFA player last season when he wasn't even the best player at chelsea?

wasn't that how giggs won PFA player in 2009 ahead of cristiano & vidic? i have already explained myself on how the british media manipulate sheep like yourself with their headlines!

turning the truth makes me what? quoting me when i am doing the best to avoid your stüpidity makes your parents irresponsible. if they had done a good job, they woulda tutored you to speak only when you are spoken to.

The pain of being exposed will make ill-mannered kid like you go parental-abusive. Dont shy away from defending your senseless post. Is it only PFA award you saw in the list of awards he won in that season? Let me embolden the list and you should try harder to defend your crap.

chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup

Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

coogar:


don't be surprised....he's not british!
if an english player scored as many league goals as aguero last season, he woulda won the PFA player of the year.



terry is english, carvalho isn't....
sensible chelsea fans that saw 04/05 season would tell you carvalho was the rock in that defence but then the british has a way of manipulating the public. if an english player and a foreign player score a goal each in a league game, whose name do you think would be in the headline? the foreign player?

all the clean sheets chelsea kept that season(mind you, it was an obscene number of clean sheets) were all credited to john terry. very little was said about the brilliance of cech or the excellent display by carvalho & makelele. it was just terry, terry, terry!!!



the system works because of pique....he was the pacy defender when he was played next to puyol. barca/spain tend to keep a high line in the way they choke opponents and pack everyone in their opponents half when searching for goal. any break and its pique snuffing out the attack with his long stride and his brilliant positioning.....



like leo messi?
pique makes the system work for club and country. he's very vital to the way barca played. puyol & another slow defender wouldn't have been able to work with that system.

slow defenders mean they wouldn't be able to keep a high line thus leaving a big gap between the midfield and the attack. do you know how many head clearances pique make in that team of midgets? you undervalue pique a lot!

Terry gets the credit because he was the leader of that defence besides, Cech made the team.
Makelele has always done a thankless job anyway.

I thought sergio busquets was responsible for the barca playing style ? or you barca admirers just change the players to suit yourselves.

Like fabregas,yaya,sanchez,thiago and ibra.

I don't undervalue pique I sees his strength(as I mentioned earlier) it is you and the barca fans on this thread that are either blind to his weakness ,or choose to ignore them because why ? it fits barca style.
Blind isn't good enough as a CB but if he fits into whatever LVG is planning he'll look just as good as pique.

raumdeuter:
Current best 3 defenders are Pique, Boateng and Ramos

i can't see beyond those 3 at the moment....

thiago silva is in a league where he gets no action week in week out against deadly poachers.

godin was a flash in the pan. what made him imperious in the season they made UCL final was clearly lacking last season - he's a flash in a pan like hazard.

the jury is out on otamendi, smalling, koscielny, etc. they need a sustained season of excellent performance to be mentioned in the same breath as the trio.

kompany, metersacker, terry, cahill, etc are a bunch of has-beens that should retire quickly before they are completely humiliated by the modern requirements of an elite defender.