those legion that hate the truth(like what is in the last 2 posts), falsely accuse others of hating the truth

Jessicha:
Bernimoore , Truthislight , Jman05 And Dolphinheart ... I like the way you calmly dealt with all this Haters of truth

those who are called Jehovahs Witnesses, but are not, and do lie,
are the church of satan

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

BERNIMOORE:
Dont worry again i have gotten what i need and enjoying the conversation steady. in fact i am learning!

Though I first said, suit yourself, but actuaaly hoped you'd obliged, as your feedback, possibly would have led to giving you something to really worry a bit about

BERNIMOORE:
So when Jesus Died for Good three days, even at Death in those three days he is still God! yes or No!

I said: Why not?
Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No!

Am still waiting for responses to this

truthislight:
Well then, you are insinuating that the incident recorded at Rev 12:9 Took place before Adam sinned inevitably:

I've nowhere on this thread made any insinuations about Rev 12:9
I havent yet made any reference to Rev 12:9
You brought up Rev 12:9, not me
but since you want and are corralling me into Rev 12:9,
would you now, please advise, what the action carried out by serpent/Satan in Genesis 3:1 is called

Now the Shining One was more clever than any animal of the field that the LORD God had made.
It asked the woman,
"Did God actually say, 'You are not to eat from any tree of the garden'?"
- Genesis 3:1 ISV

Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made.
He said to the woman,
"Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden?"
- Genesis 3:1

What is that kind of behaviour in the garden displayed by serpent/Satan called?
Is that behaviour a sin or not? (i.e. as in, is it missing the mark or not?)

truthislight:
Rev 12:9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him
...................................................

Please, confirm that the above is what your stand is on this matter before any further questions.

Peace.

truthislight, please dont fall into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9
What I would suggest, is to read the whole of Rev 12, to:
#1 establish the dinstinction(s) between heaven and Heaven
#2 establish what occurred in Rev 12:7 before Rev 12:9 came to pass

johnw74:
stop stealing my truths and turning them into lies

Except for your kindegarten and delusional twisted truths, you dont have any truths bro

johnw74:
you know that you are the pharacee hypercrites

You are Far-Away-To-See

johnw74:
demons without tether flock together

You would know, wouldnt you

johnw74:
Thread title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel?
Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

satan was an angel:

This much is certain Satan is an invisible or celestial being

Another certainty is, Satan at one time would have been an angel or be an Arch-angel (i.e. a step above an angel)

Satan right now, no more is God's angel.
Satan is now ''his own man or own person''

Bottom line, albeit in an inverted manner, Satan is a ''man of his own invention''
- Satan found some unique thought(s) within self,
stirring up the thought(s) or acting upon them was unsuccessful
and led Satan to become a persona non grata, which Satan now is

johnw74:
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire

All of the descriptions in that passage and the previous chapters are about the king mentioned in it

That earthly Tyre king wasnt in that literal ''Eden'' but was in this Eden mentioned in ''A Lament for Tyre'' in Ezekiel 27:21-23:

²¹The Arabians and the princes of Kedar sent merchants to trade lambs and rams and male goats in exchange for your goods.
²²The merchants of Sheba and Raamah came with all kinds of spices, jewels, and gold in exchange for your wares.
²³“Haran, Canneh, EDEN, Sheba, Asshur, and Kilmad came with their merchandise, too
- Ezekiel 27:21-23

The reason Ezekiel, was suggesting the King was in Eden, the garden of God, was because the King was so blessed by God, that the blessing, knowledge, might etcetera was virtually the same as like being in Eden, the garden of God
The king in essence, was on par with Adam and all Adam had, before Adam's fall from grace.

For what you havent known yet, is, he, the King of Tyre and not satan, is the object of discussion in those verses you quoted.

Further to the bit explained above, it is the King of Tyre and NOT satan, who was compared to and/or called a cherub

Satan is more of a seraphim than being a cherub or cherubim

johnw74:
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Here, you're falling into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9

johnw74:
Thread Title:

Re: Was Satan By Default An Angel? Prove It If You Think Jesus Never Exist As Angel

Jesus Christ was not an Angel:

Yes Jesus Christ was an Angel
and a bona fide one sent by God for that matter too

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

You need know the distinction between the Angel of the Lord and ordinary angels of low rank status bro

johnw74:
Father God has never called an Angel "His Son".

Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

johnw74:
Father God has never said to an Angel "sit at my right hand"

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

Jozzy4:
@ Mutteylaff

What exactly is your point ?

his point is very clear. the creator of heaven and Earth is indescribable or say ominimious

MuttleyLaff:
Except for your kindegarten and delusional twisted truths, you dont have any truths bro

You are Far-Away-To-See

You would know, wouldnt you

and yet you adressed two more posts to me after this one


take your demonic lies and insults with you legion


"legion" that's what your allies from anomymous call themselves

you and jw are led by the same demons-legion

is why you support one another

demon, i am definitely not your bro, you must be deluded

MuttleyLaff does not believe the Bible, and teaches the opposite off it.

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Muttleylaff does teach the opposite to the Bible.

MuttleyLaff:
Though I first said, suit yourself, but actuaaly hoped you'd obliged, as your feedback, possibly would have led to giving you something to really worry a bit about


I said: Why not?
Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes and No!

Am still waiting for responses to this

@ MuttleyLaff:

sorry i could nt continue, but i will be back, i was too busy for now but expect my reply soon, thanks.

johnw74:
and yet you addressed two more posts to me after this one

take your demonic lies and insults with you legion

I don't do insults, you've mistaken me for someone else

You've mistaken an honest observation to be insults

johnw74:
"legion" that's what your allies from anomymous call themselves

The only allies I know and have are those of the body of Christ. Don't know what you're talking about there

johnw74:
you and jw are led by the same demons-legion

is why you support one another

Truth is hard to face at times, I admit it can be a bitter pill to swallow at times too. I feel you bro.

johnw74:
demon, i am definitely not your bro,

Get used to the bro endearment,

johnw74:
you must be deluded

I call you bro, as we are on the same train going on journey to a common destination,
The obvious fact and truth is, you just are few carriages behind that's all...
No delusions

BERNIMOORE:
@ MuttleyLaff:

sorry i could nt continue, but i will be back, i was too busy for now but expect my reply soon, thanks.

Okeydokes

Emusan:


But you're dishonest in asking this question.

The messenger here is talking about John the Baptist not Jesus Christ.

Is John the Baptist an Angel?

Let me start with this:
Who is talking in this verse? It's Yahweh!
Then notice the wording "...my messenger, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME..."

Here the Speaker said the messenger will prepare the way for HIM not for another person.

Then who did John prepare way for? Jesus Christ! Going with this verse, Yahweh has come in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ fulfilling this promise.



Yes! But being a messenger of God does not make all the messengers of God an Angel.

Some human being are also God's messengers.



Let me answer this with this statement.

What is delusion?
Delusion is to believe that Jehovah FIRST CREATED Jesus Christ EVEN WHEN HEAVEN and ALL ITS Hosts are not yet created and Jesus Christ who enjoyed millions of years with His Father before heaven itself where ANGELS dwell was created later used to create ALL THE ANGELS (which Michael was actually included) and can still be part of what He Himself created.

Lastly, do you believe that Jesus Christ in His prehuman was created before heaven itself?

Let me give you clue so that you'll know where I'm going.
All creations by default need SPACE to occupy that's why God has to create Heaven for Angels to dwell and Earth for man and only God occupies/dwells in ETERNITY.

I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly.

Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small.

Now
"'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding) And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight (after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John). Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1). (the Is what Jehovah has said)

You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in school Besides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.'

MuttleyLaff:
I don't do insults, you've mistaken me for someone else

You've mistaken an honest observation to be insults

The only allies I know and have are those of the body of Christ. Don't know what you're talking about there

Truth is hard to face at times, I admit it can be a bitter pill to swallow at times too. I feel you bro.


Get used to the bro endearment,



I call you bro, as we are on the same train going on journey to a common destination,
The obvious fact and truth is, you just are few carriages behind that's all...
No delusions

Bros I saw your replies.

This Jehovah witness johnw74 don give you plenty plenty names. Na wa o.

MuttleyLaff:
This much is certain Satan is an invisible or celestial being

Another certainty is, Satan at one time would have been an angel or be an Arch-angel (i.e. a step above an angel)

Satan right now, no more is God's angel.
Satan is now ''his own man or own person''

Bottom line, albeit in an inverted manner, Satan is a ''man of his own invention''
- Satan found some unique thought(s) within self,
stirring up the thought(s) or acting upon them was unsuccessful
and led Satan to become a persona non grata, which Satan now is

All of the descriptions in that passage and the previous chapters are about the king mentioned in it

That earthly Tyre king wasnt in that literal ''Eden'' but was in this Eden mentioned in ''A Lament for Tyre'' in Ezekiel 27:21-23:

²¹The Arabians and the princes of Kedar sent merchants to trade lambs and rams and male goats in exchange for your goods.
²²The merchants of Sheba and Raamah came with all kinds of spices, jewels, and gold in exchange for your wares.
²³“Haran, Canneh, EDEN, Sheba, Asshur, and Kilmad came with their merchandise, too
- Ezekiel 27:21-23

The reason Ezekiel, was suggesting the King was in Eden, the garden of God, was because the King was so blessed by God, that the blessing, knowledge, might etcetera was virtually the same as like being in Eden, the garden of God.
The king in essence, was on par with Adam and all Adam had, before Adam's fall from grace.

For what you havent known yet, is, he, the King of Tyre and not satan, is the object of discussion in those verses you quoted.

Further to the bit explained above, it is the King of Tyre and NOT satan, who was compared to and/or called a cherub

Satan is more of a seraphim than being a cherub or cherubim

Here, you're falling into the trap of playing eisegesis with Rev 12:9

The above statement is one of such that I find impossible to sweep under the carpet. honestly, an explanation wont be a bad idea. I mean! How can an imperfect offspring of Adam have had what Adam had? How would he have had perfection not to talk of having the prospect of eternal life that Adam was.

Such statements is what we can do without. what Adam lost was great.

Boomark:


Bros I saw your replies.

This Jehovah witness johnw74 don give you plenty plenty names. Na wa o.

"Jehovah witness johnw74", oh boy legion are completely deluded, ....of course

MuttleyLaff:


I call you bro, as we are on the same train going on journey to a common destination,
The obvious fact and truth is, you just are few carriages behind that's all...
No delusions

i can assure you once again, that i am not on the same journey and destination
as those who don't believe the Bible, and teach the opposite to it.

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

johnw74:
the Angel of the Lord and ordinary Angels are all Angels mutt

Yes, we know that much johnw74
Thank you God you agree and admit that the Angel of the Lord and ordinary Angels are all Angels (i.e. messengers)

Now johnw74, who is the Angel of the Lord?

johnw74:
mutt and jw - legion, there is no point telling anything to those who disbelieves the Bible and says the exact opposite

SMH. Wow take some deep breaths. Try having a chill pill because this your remark doesnt apply to the likes of moi who 110% believes the Bible and isnt afraid to say the Bible exactly as it is

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Answer the question above, then I too will give you scripture(s) to ponder on or cut your teeth with

Boomark:
Bros I saw your replies. wink

This Jehovah witness johnw74 don give you plenty plenty names. Na wa o.

Dem plenty plenty names na occupational hazard bro.
Comes with the territory, once you have a thick skin, the names will mean nothing. They're like water off a duck's back to me. It doesnt bother me

truthislight:
The above statement is one of such that I find impossible to sweep under the carpet.
honestly, an explanation wont be a bad idea. I mean! How can an imperfect offspring of Adam have had what Adam had? How would he have had perfection not to talk of having the prospect of eternal life that Adam was.

Ah, well spotted. Exactly.

That right there, is the ''delusion of grandeur'' the King harboured about himself
- the king was blessed, no doubt, but he let the blessings, wisdom, knowledge etcetera go to his head

Ezekiel was narrating the king's conceitedness and God's disapproval towards the king over it.

truthislight:
Such statements is what we can do without

Which, possibly, is why you've hardly got your feet wet, on matters of the sort or like, then

truthislight:
what Adam lost was great.

Get over it truthislight, the loss was inevitable, and that's the bad news part.
The good news is, the loss is temporary and etcetera, anyway

johnw74:
I can assure you once again, that I am not on the same journey and destination
as those who don't believe the Bible, and teach the opposite to it.

Dont worry, its a matter of a combination of maturity and time (i.e. a future date) to later appreciate we actually are on the same train, and that you happened to have been in a middle or rear coach then

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord
then as previously said, I too will give you scripture(s) to ponder on or writhe at

Boomark:


I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly.

Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small.

Now
"'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding) And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight (after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John). Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1). (the Is what Jehovah has said)

You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in school Besides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.'

@ boomark, how are you, the comment you quoted and replied has been removed from the original post by the Mods, as it violates a nairaland rule, so you can continue your meaninful contribution on the thread, i seem to be very busy but will be back on the thread.

MuttleyLaff:

God obtain a body, in another person (of Jesus) so as to operate on earth

Can you tell us the character that is saying that 'my servant' who is also telling another character 'the servant' in the old testament isaiah 42:1 before jesus came to the earth

isaiah 42:1 kjv
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
And why jesus fuffilled 'the servant' word for word according to the vision isaiah saw and recorded above in isaiah 42:1

Mathew 12:18 kjv
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

are you saying that God is calling himself 'my servant' in anticipation before he obtain that human body and why did he not refer to ''my chosen; my beloved that shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. as God the son? but my servant?

note again further assurrance from the God and father to his servant jesus before he came to the earth;


isaiah 42:6

I the LORD have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

your response is needed here sir

MuttleyLaff:


SMH. Wow take some deep breaths. Try having a chill pill because this your remark doesnt apply to the likes of moi who 110% believes the Bible and isnt afraid to say the Bible exactly as it is

@ bold and red and underlined, you can obviously fool yourself, and your fellow non believers

but you cannot fool Christians

you don't believe the bible and you preach the opposite to it:

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

johnw74:
@ bold and red and underlined, you can obviously fool yourself, and your fellow non believers

but you cannot fool Christians

you don't believe the bible and you preach the opposite to it:

Let God and posterity be the judge of whether or not I believe the bible and preach the opposite to it

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:13 But to which of the Angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

All these efforts of yours to squirm out of responding to the question is useless
so just answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord
then as previously said, I too will give you something scripture(s) to really ponder on or writhe at

BERNIMOORE:
Can you tell us the character that is saying that 'my servant' who is also telling another character 'the servant' in the old testament isaiah 42:1 before Jesus came to the earth

isaiah 42:1 kjv
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
And why Jesus fuffilled 'the servant' word for word according to the vision isaiah saw and recorded above in isaiah 42:1

Mathew 12:18 kjv
Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

God will be, whatever God will be.
God will be, whatever God needs to be.
God will be, whatever God wants be.
God will be, whatever God can be.
God will be, whatever God has to be.

The character is God, who says: I AM, THAT, I AM

BERNIMOORE:
are you saying that God is calling himself 'my servant' in anticipation before he obtain that human body and why did he not refer to ''my chosen; my beloved that shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. as God the son? but my servant?

Of course I am. Why not?
Its enough to say, God is Omni-Know-All. God is Omniscient
At this juncture, am however sorry to say this,
but you really are being unnecessarily fussy over nothing
and being myopic about this info about the need of a body bro.

You must be able to see it by now.
You must be able to know it by now, be able to note that Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of, necessity is the mother of invention
And also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative efforts to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)
God will be anything necessary or will do anything necessary, and that's anything necessary within the rule to meet a need(s) and/or solve a problem(s)

Anyway, back to the original matter. What does it matter? (i.e. ...God the son? ...my servant?)
Dont your Dad/Mum/Brother/Sister/Son/Daughter/waiter/house-servant/etcetera minister to you or serve you?

BERNIMOORE:
note again further assurrance from the God and father to his servant Jesus before he came to the earth;

isaiah 42:6
I the LORD have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and give you for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Again, God will be, whatever God will be.
God will be, whatever God needs to be. God will be, whatever God wants be.
God will be, whatever God can be. God will be, whatever God has to be.

This is a prerogative, us human beings, dont have

Now allow to be appeased with this instructive ''draw-a-straight-line-between-these-two-points'' Matthew 20:26-28

26But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant,
27and whoever wants to be first among you must become your slave.
28For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
- Matthew 20:26-28 NLT

26But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many
- Matthew 20:26-28 KJV

BERNIMOORE:
your response is needed here sir

BERNIMOORE, in addition to all above
if, God You want something done right & well, the first time,
God You might has well just, do it Godself Yourself,
and especially DIY, if God's you're Good at the something that needs done

God came to serve us and not be served
Arent we blessed that, even as we now speak, God is still performing and serving all

Sir, now, permit me to remind you of some responses you ought to have attended to,
but for reasons best known to you, you've chosen to leap-frog over and leave outstanding:
#1 BERNIMOORE and Jozzy4
What is your understanding of what the word God means and/or what the word, God is all about?
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it#38808844

#2 Maybe if you explain what a liberal Trinitarian is
and what a liberal Trinitarian is about, I might be able to confirm whether you're correct or not that am a liberal Trinitarian
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/4#39120364

#3 I said: Why not?
Is it impossible for God to pull something like this off? Yes OR No!
https://www.nairaland.com/1491321/satan-default-angel-prove-it/5#39194185

MuttleyLaff:
Let God and posterity be the judge of whether or not I believe the bible and preach the opposite to it

You're becoming like a broken record,
instead of answering the question, you're unnecessarily repeating yourself

All these efforts of yours to squirm out of responding to the question is useless
so just answer the question asked earlier above about who is the Angel of the Lord
then as previously said, I too will give you something scripture(s) to really ponder on or writhe at

how you think i would want to have a discussion with you with all your bad mouthing is amazing

you said the opposite to scripture and you have been avoiding it since,
and you accuse me of what you are doing, squirming away from it

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, He, God the Father has called an Angel ''His Son''

Yes, He, God the Father, has/had said to an Angel ''sit at my right hand''

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

johnw74:


and you accuse me of what you are doing, squirming away from it

who is that liar and accuser that you take after

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw74:
who is that liar and accuser that you take after

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Non sequitur

johnw74:
how you think i would want to have a discussion with you with all your bad mouthing is amazing

All I simply need from you, is to just honestly answer an easy and straightforward question or two

I am not necessarily after a discussion with you bro
and it really is amazing how you're try to pull off this ''a-tete-mu-ole-ole-mu-oloko'' fast one bad mouthing allegation

As said earlier, I am not into insults or bad mouthing.
I am 100% sure there is no evidence or proof anyone on this thread insulting or bad mouthing you
however there are ample evidences and quotes of you doing this to others

johnw74:
you said the opposite to scripture and you have been avoiding it since,
and you accuse me of what you are doing, squirming away from it

Unlike some, I know, who avoid questioning or are shy of probing,
I have never had cause to worry or be uncomfortable about how I stand on the word and/or scripture,
My conscience is clear, that I study to present myself to God as a proven worker,
one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.

johnw74:
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Bro are you trying hard to be annoying or what?
You'll have to try harder, if you're trying to be annoying with this ploy of yours
as I have the grace to soak them all up

But really, what is with you continually repeating these verses, over and over again?
Dont you know the answer?
Is that why you're repeating those two verses without responding to the question?

Those verses have been responded to and you simply are expected to answer the question asked earlier above about them:
Who is the Angel of the Lord?

johnw74:


"Jehovah witness johnw74", oh boy legion are completely deluded, ....of course

This is not the answer to the questions I asked u. Besides the true witness, witness for Jehovah. If u are not on this side then you are witnessing for the devil or may be you don't exactly understand what you are doing.

BERNIMOORE:
@ boomark, how are you, the comment you quoted and replied has been removed from the original post by the Mods, as it violates a nairaland rule, so you can continue your meaninful contribution on the thread, i seem to be very busy but will be back on the thread.

Boomark:
I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly.

Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small.
Now
"'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding)And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight(after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John).Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1).(the Is what Jehovah has said)
You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in schoolBesides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.'

My brother am good and you?

I wonder when the dodgers of questions...Emusan, Johnw74 and co will understand that we are here to get the truth and not to defend any denomination with what we do not understand.