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Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 11:46am On Nov 15, 2015 |
To TonyeBarcanista. I don't know ur tribe but I hav a message 4 u. STOP making enemies for the Niger Delta Peoples'. Am a proud son of the Niger delta and I abhor and detest ur develish posts. Despite small misunderstandings, u have no right 2 insult and ridicle our igbo brothers whom we are historically and geographically tied to. U do not represent the niger delta in any way and u MUST stop making enemies for our children. U r deluded if u think d igbos need u. No, u need them more dan dey need u. I was forced 2 comment on dis section for d first time 2day because of d dangerous dimension the thread has taken. Once hate is planted and has grown, its difficult 2 uproot. So, pls stop this Nonsense @TonyeBarcanista. 15 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 11:47am On Nov 15, 2015 |
illiad:guy arrange yourself with your bs there...are you the proverbial mad man that sees all other sane person as mad? why name calling? state your point/case without the childish display. |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by coolitempa(f): 11:50am On Nov 15, 2015 |
melzabull: Ogwashiukwu is not Ibo but Benin even though their dialect is unique.......portharcourt belongs to Ijaws not ibos....what is it with ibos that causes them to lay claims to other lands 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 11:53am On Nov 15, 2015 |
Pls let's ignore impostors. Pls they r enjoying our quarrel. Pls ignore dem. 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:57am On Nov 15, 2015 |
mrsuccessful:We don't need to protest in their states(we've never acted childish). Whoever is unsatisfied with my position of promoting our interests should go fix an appointment with Akure Youths. Welcome my boss 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 11:58am On Nov 15, 2015 |
coolitempa:Haha! I'll take that as a joke. Help me greet your Oba when you get to Benin. 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:00pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
My humble submission to this discuss is the need for true federalism to be practiced in Nigeria...we need a referendum and adoption of the submissions of the Confab. 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:03pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
BlaqCoffee109:Knowing that the North is afraid of true federalism(which I understand), there is need to come up with a proposal that will capture what they stand to gain in a federalist State. 3 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by wisdomguy4u(m): 12:16pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
princdebola201: Do u know if the person you are quoting is SS igbo or SE igbo ? Can you differentiate between a SS igbo and a SE igbo? Yorubas talk for yorubas, hausas talk for hausas and you are here vehemently trying to stop Igbos from talking about Igbos . 5 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by illiad: 12:19pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
BlaqCoffee109: When did you come out? |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:22pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:...in the practice of true federalism, we are not talking about what one section stands to gain above the others, we are talking about the various geopolitical zones competing amongst themselves in the developmental index..go back to your regions, exploit the various natural and mineral resources inherent in that region, build industries...create and build institutions that will be self reliant not one man reliant..institutions and laws that will be people oriented...then see Nigeria become a global power house! mind you, the northern region have more mineral deposits that this present administration is focused on Mining and agriculture.. so what are we talking about?! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by iyobosadavid: 12:24pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
IKWERRE, UKWUANNI, IKA, AHOADA AND EKPEYE ARE NOT IGBO Chambers Dictionary (William Geddie, ed. 1962) says: “A nation is a body of people marked off by common descent, language, culture, or historical tradition: the people of a tribe.” However, S.O.L. Amadi-Nna (1993) avers that: “A tribe is a group of clans under recognized chiefs and usually claiming common ancestry. Ikwerre can therefore not be a clan but a tribe. The Ikwerres claim a common ancestor. Ikwerre is an independent small tribe.” In the words of K.O. Amadi (1993), “Traditions suggest that Ikwerre is a nickname given to Iwhnuruọhna people…..They have ever since regarded themselves as a distinct group and have happily come a long way in their struggle for self-identity as evidenced by the recognition of their language as one of the Nigerian languages.” Amadi-Nna (1993) added that: “The Ikwerres are a small but distinct tribe. The Ikwerres have distinct linguistic, social and cultural traits and formations that distinguish them from other close neighbouring tribes like the Ijaws and the Ibos. Majority of the Ikwerre settlements have their roots traceable from the old Benin Empire.” Iwhnurọhna people descended from the ancient Bini Kingdom. The name of the grand ancestor is Akalaka. Their relations in Rivers State are Ekpeye and Ogba people. The reigning Oba of Benin when Akalaka, the ancestor of Ihruọha (later called Iwhnurọhna) fled was Oba Ewuare (Ogwaro). Akalaka, a member of the Benin royal family, fled in the 13th century on allegation of plotting assassination of the Oba. He died in 1462. Iwhnurọhna his third son settled east of the Sombrero River by 1538 AD, as detailed below. Chief N.M.T. Solomon (2004), native of Ikodu Ubie in Ekpeyeland, in his narrative draws heavily from the now authenticated written historical records delivered by various informed sources including “Eketu (Weber) of Ubeta, assumed to have lived for over two hundred (200) years as the oldest man in all Ekpeye, Ogba and Iwhnurọhna (or Ikwerre), at that time (and) was asked to narrate the history and customs of Ekpeye people” as unfolded in his lifetime. Here is what he said, which has been validated by the accounts of the current generation through responses to our questionnaires and direct interviews thereby increasing our level of confidence on the data: Ekpeye, born in Benin, was the first of the three sons of Akalaka. While in Ndoni, he married a second wife to gain the love and favour of the people. The new wife gave birth to a son, which he named Ogba. Akalaka was still in Ndoni when his first wife, the mother of Ekpeye, gave birth to his third son called Ihruoha (Ikwerre). Similar historical fact by J.N. Olise (1971) averred that: “Akalaka, a member of the Benin royal family, fled with his wife from Benin to Ndoni, a community located close to the River Niger, to save the life of his new born baby (Ekpeye) … While at Ndoni, Akalaka took a second wife. … Akalaka had two sons, Ekpeye – born to him by his Benin wife, and Ogba – born to him by his Ndoni wife. According to F.E. Otuwarikpo (1994): "After the death of Akalaka in 1462 AD, his two sons, Ekpeye and Ogba had conflict, which compelled Ogba, the younger son, to move northwards where he founded Ohiakwo (Obigwe) and settled with his family. Ekpeye who remained at Ula-Ubie had seven sons – Ubie, Akoh, Upata, Igbuduya, Ekpe, Awala and Asa. The last three sons – Ekpe, Awala and Asa – crossed to the other side of Sombreiro River (present day Ikwerreland and settled there since 1538 AD.” He added that: “Ekpe migrated to present day Rumuekpe and spread through Elele (Alimini), Ndele, Rumuji and part of Ibaa. Awala migrated to present day Isiokpo …” Amadi-Nna (1993) also said Akalaka migrated with his half brother called Ochichi from the area of Benin Empire. Ochichi sons were Ele (Omerele, now Elele), Elu (Elumuoha, now Omerelu), Egbe (Egbeda) and Mini (Alimini, Isiokpo). The crucial point here, which is of great importance in tracing the joint origin of the ancestors of the Old Ahoada Division (in the Governor Diete-Spiff administration), is the mention of the number of children that Akalaka had, namely: Ekpeye, Ogba and Ihruọha (Ikwerre). It is noteworthy that the pedigree and name of Ikwerre people, Iwhnurọhna, obviously took its root from this original name – Ihruọha. Chief Solomon therefore establishes a very vital historical link, which has been missing in literature on Ikwerre origin that would assume more significance in the discourses of Ikwerre genealogy in the future – the fact that Akalaka was the direct father of Ihruọha (Ikwerre). Iwhnurọhna, in Ikwere parlance, means the face of the community (town, city or village). Nigerian colonial history records that the name "Ikwerre" was given by the colonial administration when they wanted to acquire the Rebisi waterfront to build the wharf. Using an Ibo interpreter to talk to the illiterate Rebisi (Port Harcourt) chiefs, they asked them: Would you permit us to use the waterfront to build the wharf for ships to berth? And they answered: A KWERULEM, meaning - "We have agreed." What the white-man was hearing was "Ikwerre," so he recorded it in the official gazette that the IKWERRE PEOPLE have agreed for the colonial administration to build the wharf. And since it was the official record of government, the name Ikwerre became the name of the Iwhnurohna people in all official documentations till date. Similar cases of Anglicization of native names in the Niger Delta region by the colonial administration are Benin for Bini, Okrika for Wakrike, Degema for Udekema, Abonnema for Obonoma, Brass for Gbara sni, Bonny for Ibani, Pepple for Perekule, Ahoada for Ehuda, etc Even so, “… there were dissenting voices, … who believed that Ikwerre origins lay outside Igbo land, … in the Benin Kingdom of old. It is, therefore, obvious that the interminable debate about Ikwerre origins and migrations including the repudiation of the Igbo tradition is not a phenomenon of the post-civil war period. The controversy, as it were, is not necessarily the product of the present political realities wherein groups which hitherto were seen to have cultural affinities now find themselves in different states or administrative systems.” -- K.O. Amadi (1993) The Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention, a cultural organization of Ikwerre people, in a paper presented to the Human Rights Violation Commission headed by Rtd. Justice Chukwudifu Oputa on 10 October 2001, said: “Ikwerre ethnic nationality is not and has never been a sub- group of any other tribe in Nigeria including Ndi-Igbo. There is no doubt that the advent of the British and later regionalization put Ndi-Igbo at the helm of affairs in Eastern Nigeria. This brought Ndi-Igbo into Ikwerre land. In course of time, the Igbo took advantage of their position in the then Eastern Regional Government to grab land in Ikwerre and occupy political positions such as the mayor of Port Harcourt. In the process, Ikwerre along with other minority groups were marginalized and driven to the background.” Professor Godwin Tasie noted that in 1913 the Rt Rev Herbert Tugwell, the Anglican Bishop on the Niger, undertook an experimentation tour of Ikwerre towns and villages assumed to be Ibo-speaking to test the Union Ibo Bible Nso being introduced in Iboland. "Tugwell discovered from the tests he carried out that although the Ikwerre were often regarded as Ibo… the Union Ibo Bible translation, surprisingly, was not easily understood by the Ikwere." This is obviously why Igbo vernacular was compulsorily introduced and taught in all schools in Ikwerreland before the Nigerian Civil War to the assimilation (i.e. destruction) of the Ikwere language. This also obviously led to the Rumuomasi Declaration in 1965. " … in their meeting at Rumuomasi in 1965 the Ikwerre had, under the umbrella of a highly promising new body that was to get the Ikwerre together as a people of new and clearer vision, they had declared themselves as a people of the distinct identity of Ikwerre Ethnic Nationality - not Ibo, not Ijo, not anything else but Ikwerre, Iwhnurọhna. This was the historic Rumuomasi Declaration of 1965 (G.O.M. Tasie, 2000). The full implication is that Ikwere people began to assert themselves forcefully as an ethnic nationality of their own and not Ibos or Ijos, and efforts were made to revert to the original Ikwere names for families, villages, communities and landmarks. For instance, there was the change from Umuola to Rumuola, Umuoro to Rumuoro, Umukrushi to Rumuokwurusi, just to name a few. T O N Y E N Y I A, PhD, MNIM CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF TRUSTEES IWHNURỌHNA CHRISTIAN ASSOCIATION Saturday, 5 February 2011 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:24pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
illiad:...I don't have time for simpletons as you...neither do I endorse fo.ols |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by iyobosadavid: 12:28pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
present sir... I am a proud son from Igueben LGA in Edo State 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by basilo101: 12:29pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
THe most idio.tic thread ever. Una beta create thread for ur states or tribes than this nonesense. |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:30pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
iyobosadavid:Like how you identified yourself, proud Ishan-Edo son. And not the 'We South-South'. 5 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by TonyeBarcanista(m): 12:33pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
BlaqCoffee109:The truth is that the phasing out of regional system in favor of unitary system by the Ironsi military regime has made the once hardworking Northern governments to rely on the petrol dollars. As it stand, whenever the issue of true federalism comes up, the first question is usually "what do we stand to gain and lose"? Personally, I believe the question will be answered If/when we concede 15% to the Northern region and other not-so-rich region while we keep 25% with 5% increment every 5years until it reaches 50% after 25years. Our concession will enable poorer region to get themselves fixed and invest in their own mineral resources. We have to agree that we need dialogue to achieve this demand. 1 Like |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Obiagu1(m): 12:34pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
pazienza: I maintain that the 13% derivation be scrapped. This will be in line with the wishes of Northerners that own the oil. Political correctness by the Igbo has to stop! We should not be helpful to a bunch of common house thieves because they are the worst backstabers in Nigeria. What benefits the SE should be our driving principle. We MUST try and maximise the gains of 'awa oyel' until it runs dry. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by IGBOPRINCE: 12:35pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
pazienza:hahaha..don't mind those hypocrite..they know what sup. That s why they excluded them including the ikwerres.. Tanx for the facts, thumb up 3 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by illiad: 12:36pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
coolitempa: Lol Mad person dey sweet to watch but not sweet to born. Condolences to your parents. Of course you would come here to leverage on your derangement. I have continued to call on the yorubas to come rescue their tribe from the mud of abject shame and disgust you and your nairaland yorubas have dipped the Yoruba race into. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:36pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
basilo101:why do you have Ndigbo? why do you have Arewa? Afenifere nko? why do you think there is need for association? do you belong to any offline? now explain exactly what is idiotic? |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:38pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
iyobosadavid:So u are from Edo like d op. It is becoming clearer that ur people are the dividing agents in the SS/SE alliance. 2 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by illiad: 12:43pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
BlaqCoffee109: I am the new Sheriff in town. And am only here to put you cockroaches in your proper place. 2 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Malawian(m): 12:47pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
mulattoclaro: edo state is almost as big as the south east reagion in landmass. more than 85% of Edo state (especially bini lands) is still a wilderness. ( a wilderness is a place that has never been set foot upon since the creation of the world) if you guys love the ijaw, why not carve up a small piece of land from your wilderness so that they can get away from the ocean? you see ijaw dragging warri with the ishekiri, the same ijaw comes to river state to drag igweocha with the ikwerre, yet they have yenegoa of which they have done nothing with. every minority tribe in the area seems to have a city of their own making. uhrrobo have effurun, ishekiri have warri, bini have benin city, ishan have uromi, afemai have auchi, ibbibio have uyo annags have calabar and so forth. only the ijaw keep looking for people's city to grab. why!!! i have this suspicion that this niger-delta collabo of the ijaw and bini is so that ijaw will seize rivers/akwaibom and cross river, while bini will do same with anioma regions. word to the wise, igbo people are like lions. we defend our territory. 10 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Ugomba(m): 12:48pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ijaws will dominate Niger Delta Republic!
Count the Anioma nation out, we are NOT interested. 8 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Observant: 12:50pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
pazienza: Paziena I love you. 5 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Obiagu1(m): 12:51pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Ugomba: They said you guys do not exist in the SS. 2 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by dedollarman(m): 12:52pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
The Northerners and yeruba has succeeded in kicking Goodluck Jonathan out of the Government knowing fully well that comes, s 2019 ss/se will form a formidable force against their antist Now they are hellbent in peaching us against each other to enable them continue their marginalisation and born to rule mentality go to se/ss all federal Road has turn death trap but go to the north they have the best Road from LOKOJA in Kogi state to Abuja to kaduna to,zaria to kano is double lane but federal Road in ss/se are death trap 2 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by illiad: 12:54pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
BlaqCoffee109: Unfortunately you can't even see through your folly. That's a very miserable situation situation you are in. Arewa Afenifere how on earth does that relate to such terms as South South or niger delta? Cockroaches will always be cockroaches. 4 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Ugomba(m): 12:57pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
Obiagu1:who said so? Which tribe in SS Here can challenge we Aniomas in Achievements? The raw truth is that Ijaw will colonize the ND Republic. I know their behaviour very well. 4 Likes |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 12:59pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:..Aguiyi Ironsi..now the Biafra agitation.. in any case,there is no need to dwell on divisive politics if Nigeria is to attain her true potential.. I would be careful to say there are regions that are poor in Nigeria...every state of the nation Nigeria have some mineral deposit or the other...arable land,sun/wind energy, our teeming population of the best and brightest brains etc that should Nigeria sneeze,there should be a quiver in the committee of nations...we should clamour for outside the usual in our polity...oil should be demystified..ever wondered Nigeria's state in a world without the need for oil as it stands? technology is fast advanced..Nigeria is light years behind.. we are a consumer dependent economy...we have to dunk those sharing formulae in the waste bin and think outside the box |
Re: The South South And The Niger Delta People's Thread by Nobody: 1:03pm On Nov 15, 2015 |
illiad:make intelligent input and stop clowning like a 13year old sissy...we are discussing nation building here son...if you got nothing to contribute just read and learn and be more patriotic..do have a nice day. |
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