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unphilaz:
ok please i need your candid opinion... do you accept that the universe CAME FROM NOTHING?

you shouldn't mistake all atheists with nihilism. Like me for example I don't know how the universe came to be alright, but it doesn't lend credence to you ideology because I don't

pesty100:
you shouldn't mistake all atheists with nihilism. Like me for example I don't know how the universe came to be alright, but it doesn't lend credence to you ideology because I don't

Definately, i wont be so silly to do such... because it is

the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

. What am asking you is before ANYTHING/EVERYTHING came into existence, there was NOTHING from which the former all came FROM! Hope YOU agree!

unphilaz:
Definately, i wont be so silly to do such... because it is . What am asking you is before ANYTHING/EVERYTHING came into existence, there was NOTHING from which the former all came FROM! Hope YOU agree!

the simple fact is I don't know neither do you

pesty100:
the simple fact is I don't know neither do you

you cant tell me you DONT KNOW! Its either big bang theory but sadly it is not accepted any more or from NOTHING ... which is more plausible ... scientifically!

unphilaz:
you cant tell me you DONT KNOW! Its either big bang theory but sadly it is not accepted any more or from NOTHING ... which is more plausible ... scientifically!

well I can tell you and I obviously am. The options aren't yours to decide

pesty100:
well I can tell you and I obviously am. The options aren't yours to decide

not mine yes... but this is a open public forum where we express our opinion openly... so which is which? BIG BANG OR NOTHING?

unphilaz:
not mine yes... but this is a open public forum where we express our opinion openly... so which is which? BIG BANG OR NOTHING?

unphilaz,

Was there ever a time of complete nothingness?

davien:
unphilaz,

Was there ever a time of complete nothingness?

what is nothingness? what is pure nothingness? then how can you factor time from nothing?

Firstly,I am not "many rational thinking atheist"

Answer 1. Ape-like humans evolved on this planet until the anunaki tampered with their dna by adding theirs to form human- "Let us make(not create)man in our image and after our likeness"

It took the planet billions of years to be pro-life,afterward the atmosphere became conducive for life and then life. Conciousnness is constant and life was by chance in our solar system,bearing in mind that many solar systems are pro life forms and billions of others are not ready

Answer 2. When you see an object on the floor,you think about picking it up before picking it up. That is a perfect example of thought leading to action(matter) Thought,awareness leads to matter. Consciousness leads to matter. A non-conscious human body will remain static till it fades away

Answer 3.We don't need a brain to be conscious. Take for example,the human drives the car. Without the human the car no mater how nice it is will not move. The human brain is like the car's engine. Without the brain the body will not function. Without consciousness the brain will not function. Therefore we can say the brain is an antenna for consciousness.

Answer 4 Inanimate body can be conscious but our society's technology haven't reached that stage yet as far as I know. But they are also a product of thought.

I think a jester describes you better. You shd even be happy 'Royal' is added to the jester.

An atheist believer in Anunaki god. What else describes a jester.

As an agnostic atheist who looks at things from a scientific standpoint, science doesn't say that something came from nothing.

The Big Bang Theory references the rapid EXPANSION of the universe from an extremely hot and dense SINGULARITY (or more simply, point). Spacetime does not exist as we know it in a singularity. A singularity is NOT 'nothing'. In fact, it contained all the energy required in the universe.

Anyone who makes that claim is not talking from a scientific standpoint.

CoolUsername:
As an agnostic atheist who looks at things from a scientific standpoint, science doesn't say that something came from nothing.

The Big Bang Theory references the rapid EXPANSION of the universe from an extremely hot and dense SINGULARITY (or more simply, point). Spacetime does not exist as we know it in a singularity. A singularity is NOT 'nothing'. In fact, it contained all the energy required in the universe.

Anyone who makes that claim is not talking from a scientific standpoint.

says WHO?

unphilaz:
what is nothingness? what is pure nothingness? then how can you factor time from nothing?

Nothingness is a concept that has no basis in the material universe,for it is a term that is often used for quite the opposite..the further you try to reduce anything in the material universe to "nothing" , the more you realise material phenomena cannot be taken out of it at all..

That is the reason philosophy and our human minds treat "creation ex materia" (creation from something) with more trust than "creation ex nihilo" ( creation from nothing)..

davien:
Nothingness is a concept that has no basis in the material universe,for it is a term that is often used for quite the opposite..the further you try to reduce anything in the material universe to "nothing" , the more you realise material phenomena cannot be taken out of it at all..

That is the reason philosophy and our human minds treat "creation ex materia" (creation from something) with more trust than "creation ex nihilo" ( creation from nothing)..

good attempt... is your above explanation water tight and fail-safe in our material universe?
Secondly, must what our human mind be able to comprehend as basis for all our trust?

@devian

another question, though from the other thread but will be necessary in this thread as well, which atheist group do you fall into
INTELLIGENT CONSCIOUSNESS/INFINITE INTELLIGENCE OR INANIMATE EXISTENCE? . Please kindly oblige to state your position as you answer the above question. thanks

unphilaz:
good attempt... is your above explanation water tight and fail-safe in our material universe?
Secondly, must what our human mind be able to comprehend as basis for all our trust?

It's not an "explanation" it's a fact, unless you know of anything negating how creation from nothing isn't just a baseless concept...

And your second question is vague, rewrite it plainly and if you can, specify what you mean exactly.

unphilaz:
@devian

another question, though from the other thread but will be necessary in this thread as well, which atheist group do you fall into
INTELLIGENT CONSCIOUSNESS/INFINITE INTELLIGENCE OR INANIMATE EXISTENCE? . Please kindly oblige to state your position as you answer the above question. thanks

Those categories of atheism are non-existent...

davien:
It's not an "explanation" it's a fact, unless you know of anything negating how creation from nothing isn't just a baseless concept...

well well, rijiya! rijiya!!. Its a fact -

a thing that is indisputably the case.

So you are fully trusting, in other words ... having a full assurance that this your quote

davien:
Nothingness is a concept that has no basis in the material universe,for it is a term that is often used for quite the opposite..the further you try to reduce anything in the material universe to "nothing" , the more you realise material phenomena cannot be taken out of it at all..

That is the reason philosophy and our human minds treat "creation ex materia" (creation from something) with more trust than "creation ex nihilo" ( creation from nothing)..

So have all your scientist searched all the UNIVERSE to confirm that CREATION FROM NOTHING is nil while CREATION FROM MATTER as the must trusted FACT?

IF THEY (SCIENTIST) are still searching, have not come to the knowledge of truth... then you are walking by faith, according to johnnydon

johnydon22:
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The key word is "BY FAITH"

Faith is the act of believing something whether it is true or not. . .It entails insertion of stoic conviction assumed without reason and defended against reason.

Do you agree?

[size=5pt]Science is still exploring and this is what has kept you in your little comfort zone that "CREATION FROM NOTHING" is not plausible[/size]