dmandy:

I am getting angry. You keep saying that I have not answered you.

Can you recognize truth if you see one. the bible said learn and not assume. How do you learn? You study, you ask questions. And when you get answers you learn and not deny.

br bro no where have I assumed or denied anything if the answer u give merits a follow up question I must ask to gain further understanding. pls no grudges

NanaAmofah:
br bro no where have I assumed or denied anything if the answer u give merits a follow up question I must ask to gain further understanding. pls no grudges

read through our discussion.

EMILO2STAY:
Note: Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The
Development of the Christian Religion,”
admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps,
votive offerings, holy water, holidays and
season of devotions, processions, blessing
of fields, sacredotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ...
are all of pagan origin...” (Page 359). if a catholic cardinal can admit all this, is it still far fetched that the rosary has roots from pagnism?.

All the things in bold were encouraged by God in the Bible.

E.g incense is burnt in heaven Rev5:8, God commanded the building of a Temple, Jesus talked about keeping our oil lamps burning, Passover was a season of devotion, etc.

So God himself was copying paganism?

You see where stupidity and hatred for the Catholic Church are leading you?

NanaAmofah:
no one can take christ out of my life but I will not replace the duties. Heb 4:13,heb 7:25,isaiah 53:12
More is coming

Still dubiously dodging the simple questions.

dmandy:


read through our discussion.

No need to read through sorry for any kind of assuming as perceived. Hope it is settle (gives a hug and a pat on the back)

italo:


Still dubiously dodging the simple questions.

ooooh pls I hav answered u I said those who help me in prayers do not take christ out of my life or is that not the answer to ur question

Check out my thread about what muslims mean by infidels and infidels must be killed at the religion section with topic who are infidels. Thanks

italo:


All the things in bold were encouraged by God in the Bible.

E.g incense is burnt in heaven Rev5:8, God commanded the building of a Temple, Jesus talked about keeping our oil lamps burning, Passover was a season of devotion, etc.

So God himself was copying paganism?

You see where stupidity and hatred for the Catholic Church are leading you?

What is your understanding of paganism. Would you consider Judaism a pagan religion? The catholic priest might be right if he considered Judaism a pagan religion
Cc EMILO2STAY

italo:


All the things in bold were encouraged by God in the Bible. E.g incense is burnt in heaven Rev5:8, God commanded the building of a Temple, Jesus talked about keeping our oil lamps burning, Passover was a season of devotion, etc.

So God himself was copying paganism?

You see where stupidity and hatred for the Catholic Church are leading you?

Everything he wrote up there were encouraged by the bible not just the bold.

Temples,(matt 24:1)

incense( ps 141:2),
oil lamps( Lk 12:35),
votive offerings ( Deut 12:11),
holy water(numb 5:17),
holidays ( Deut 16:16) and
season of devotions(Gen 8:22),
processions (2 cor 2:14),
blessing of fields(Deut 28:3/4),
sacredotal vestments(Lev 16;4),
the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), (Ex 31:10)
images (2 cor 3:10)

Unless, he is saying that the bible is of pagan origin.

NanaAmofah:
No need to read through sorry for any kind of assuming as perceived. Hope it is settle (gives a hug and a pat on the back)

Thanks.

You should think before you write, you really make up words as you go on.

italo:


But Jesus never said that "when God speaks, he will confirm it with scripture."

And he never said it was Luke that wrote "Luke," and Mark that wrote "Mark."

dmandy:


Everything he wrote up there were encouraged by the bible not just the bold.

Temples,(matt 24:1)

incense( ps 141:2),
oil lamps( Lk 12:35),
votive offerings ( Deut 12:11),
holy water(numb 5:17),
holidays ( Deut 16:16) and
season of devotions(Gen 8:22),
processions (2 cor 2:14),
blessing of fields(Deut 28:3/4),
sacredotal vestments(Lev 16;4),
the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), (Ex 31:10)
images (2 cor 3:10)

Unless, he is saying that the bible is of pagan origin.

since all thes are laid out in the bible and u are following do u also follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus

NanaAmofah:
since all thes are laid out in the bible and u are following do u also follow all the laws laid out in Leviticus

tell me about them.

I have given you scriptures after scriptures, but as always, you are to blind to see them.
Someone like you couldn't understand the bible anyway.
You don't understand the truth about Christ,-as I said until you decide to give yourself entirely hole hearted over to Christ alone-instead of Mary, you will never understand the scriptures as they are written.
You are just a sounding symbol that makes a lot of noise without any tunes.

italo:


You haven't answered. Even your Protestant bible's NT was compiled by the Catholic Church in 382AD.

So who were the Catholic's serving when the compiled and canonized the Bible you're carrying about...when they instituted Christmas and Easter that most Protestants celebrate...when they changed the day of worship to Sunday that most Protestants adhere to?

God, Saints or Mary?



You still haven't shown me where God said that when he speaks, he confirms it with scripture...

...and that Mark and Luke should write anything.

Even the entire books of Mark and Luke don't say that the authors were Mark and Luke.

So how do you know who wrote the books.

italo:


All the things in bold were encouraged by God in the Bible.

E.g incense is burnt in heaven Rev5:8, God commanded the building of a Temple, Jesus talked about keeping our oil lamps burning, Passover was a season of devotion, etc.

So God himself was copying paganism?

You see where stupidity and hatred for the Catholic Church are leading you?

sorry u have eyes but cannot see, does the bible encourage buiding of any temple to a God?, is our body not the temple of God?, so why should christians build and dedicate a temple. Does the bible command christians to burn incense when praying to God? Are the bolded the only thing u see in that post? What about the rest.

dmandy:


tell me about them.

so u are trying to tell you don't know about the laws in leviticus. I will tell u
Most of the third book of moses content is full of laws handed over to moses by God. Pls if u can hav time to read do so because it is so many I can't quote it. From chapter one to chapter 27 thanks

NanaAmofah:
so u are trying to tell you don't know about the laws in leviticus. I will tell u

Thank you. I am waiting to hear them and how I may be wrong if I keep them.

italo:


Lol. The guy has been running from pillar to post...looking for ways to force various verses to say what they didn't say...

Meanwhile, adsonstone who pretended that he only came on this thread to correct error usually goes blind when non-Catholics tell lies like this.

According to the protestant man of God, when God speaks to an individual, his word to the individual is not credible enough, God has to confirm it with Scripture.

Just like when God told Kumuyi to open Deeper Life, he wrote in in the Scriptures that Kumuyi will open Deeper Life.

...then they will accuse me of hypocrisy!

Haba, where did the young man claim the bold?
He only said God confirms his word with Scripture...you have added your usual wild assumptions.

I'm not surprised anyway, it's your usual dubious nature.

If you believe his claim is an error, debunk it with reasonable proofs and stop being dubious by adding your own assumptions to his statement(s).

I, personally, do not believe it is an error, I have no proof it is an error, God has spoken to me and referred to the scripture, Jesus confirmed his word with scripture, the Apostles did so, so, why should I fight him or try to debunk him? Tell me.


Besides, I don't read all his posts, I only read his posts you quote or I'm mentioned in.

EMILO2STAY:
sorry u have eyes but cannot see,

Not necessary.

does the bible encourage buiding of any temple to a God?,

Yes.

is our body not the temple of God?,

Yes, it is.

so why should christians build and dedicate a temple.

Because he approves of it.

Does the bible command christians to burn incense when praying to God?

Yes, the bible approves of it. Are the bolded the only thing u see in that post? What about the rest. [/quote] No Sir, Everything you listed are approved by the bible.

dmandy:

Not necessary.
Yes. Yes, it is. Because he approves of it. Yes, the bible approves of it. Are the bolded the only thing u see in that post? What about the rest. No Sir, Everything you listed are approved by the bible.

Bro pls read this Acts 7:48-49King James Version (KJV)
48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in
temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my
footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the
Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
King James Version (KJV)

Firstly the Catholic Church-don't teach against it-matter of fact with evidence, the Church have broken 2 of the 10 commandments.
Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make yourself an image in the form of anything in Heaven above, or on the Earth-nor beneath, nor in the waters below.
Mary is a good example, you have images of her and Jesus in every church. When asked-many Catholic's claim these statues are only there to remind them who they are. Many kiss the feet of Mary that's made out of clay, that's is classed as idol worship.
I love listening to you, especially the ones who are willing to lie denying the truth.
.
Sabbath Saturday is a day to remember-but of course the church had chanced that too, mixing the pagans beliefs, with Christians, so everyone can live happily ever after, together with joy we all now worship their Sun Day.
Other then that, who really cares.

dmandy:
Thanks for that acknowledgement.

No, I am not guilty, I don't idolize the rosary... I have showed you where it is in the bible. I don't worship anything outside the 10 commandments. Anyone who does is in error. The Catholic church teaches against it.
How? I believe someone first told you about Jesus if you actually know Him.
Good, by spreading the gospel and not hatred... you are leading people to Jesus. You are an intercessor, I pray God gives you the grace and strength to push forward.

Of course, if its not Jesus its not the gospel. Jesus is the Gospel. That is the central message of the holy Rosary even (Birth, Life, passion, death and resurrection of Jesus) period. This little pamphlet will teach you how to start praying the rosary (crown of roses) from today... www.newadvent.org/images/rosary.pdf

EMILO2STAY:
sorry u have eyes but cannot see, does the bible encourage buiding of any temple to a God?, is our body not the temple of God?, so why should christians build and dedicate a temple. Does the bible command christians to burn incense when praying to God? Are the bolded the only thing u see in that post? What about the rest.

Mr you seem not to know what you are saying. Maybe most importantly you should ask yourself if the bible discourages building of any temple to God or burning of incense. In Luke 1:9, in the temple of which God was incense to be burned?

NanaAmofah:
Bro pls read this Acts 7:48-49King James Version (KJV)
48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in
temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my
footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the
Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
King James Version (KJV)

The above does not prove that the bible condemns building a temple for God.

St. Luke quoted Is 66 "Thus says the LORD, "Heaven is My throne and the earth is My footstool. Where then is a house you could build for Me? And where is a place that I may rest? "For My hand made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD. "But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word''.

Jesus would not have said this if He disapproved of the temple. And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER'; but you are making it a ROBBERS' DEN." Which house? The temple?

dmandy:

Not necessary.
Yes. Yes, it is. Because he approves of it. Yes, the bible approves of it. Are the bolded the only thing u see in that post? What about the rest. No Sir, Everything you listed are approved by the bible.

ok prove it, give biblical references were christians should build temples to God. I am waiting.

Ichiato:
Mr you seem not to know what you are saying. Maybe most importantly you should ask yourself if the bible discourages building of any temple to God or burning of incense. In Luke 1:9, in the temple of which God was incense to be burned?

were does the bible encourage christians to build temples to God, show me biblical proof.

EMILO2STAY:
were does the bible encourage christians to build temples to God, show me biblical proof.

funny thing is you accused someone else of blindness yet you couldn't see when I asked you that in Luke1:9, in the temple of which God was Zechariah chosen to burn incense? You're still here asking for bible passages. SMH

brocab:
Firstly the Catholic Church-don't teach against it-matter of fact with evidence, the Church have broken 2 of the 10 commandments.

Okay, I believe you stand a better chance than even God himself to know what the catholic church approves and disapproves. Well, here is catechism of the Catholic Church

I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.3
It is written: "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."4

I. "YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND HIM ONLY SHALL YOU SERVE"

2084 God makes himself known by recalling his all-powerful loving, and liberating action in the history of the one he addresses: "I brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." The first word contains the first commandment of the Law: "You shall fear the LORD your God; you shall serve him. . . . You shall not go after other gods."5 God's first call and just demand is that man accept him and worship him.

2085 The one and true God first reveals his glory to Israel.6 The revelation of the vocation and truth of man is linked to the revelation of God. Man's vocation is to make God manifest by acting in conformity with his creation "in the image and likeness of God"
* IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . ."

2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68

2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69

2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone

Try vising a catholic church or go to http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm to know what the catholic church teaches.

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make yourself an image in the form of anything in Heaven above, or on the Earth-nor beneath, nor in the waters below.

Image: a representation of the external form of a person or thing in art. Have you ever made an image of yourself? Are u in the earth? If you so, are you disobeying God? Be sincere.

Mary is a good example, you have images of her and Jesus in every church. When asked-many Catholic's claim these statues are only there to remind them who they are. Many kiss the feet of Mary that's made out of clay, that's is classed as idol worship.
I love listening to you, especially the ones who are willing to lie denying the truth.

Okay kissing an image is idol worship? Tell me more. What of kissing your wife? If you admire your sisters picture, are you classically worshipping idol?

Sabbath Saturday is a day to remember-but of course the church had chanced that too, mixing the pagans beliefs, with Christians, so everyone can live happily ever after, together with joy we all now worship their Sun Day.

Okay, its better to worship your Saturn Day. Think about 'Follow peace with all men'

Other then that, who really cares.

You do.

EMILO2STAY:
ok prove it, give biblical references were christians should build temples to God. I am waiting.

Jesus would not have said this if He disapproved of the temple. And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER'; but you are making it a ROBBERS' DEN." Which house? The temple? Built by who? Human?

Abeg, Italo and co.... Make una share me the MB wey una dey use argue with this guys, cos e b like say una get am for excess....

Rich4god:
Abeg, Italo and co.... Make una share me the MB wey una dey use argue with this guys, cos e b like say una get am for excess....

lolx

I am sure I am wasting my time with them as they have made up their mind not to see anything good in Catholic Church, but I am sure people are reading. An Igbo adage says the fowl does not scream because he expects his captures to leave him but that they may hear his voice who care to..

dmandy:

Jesus would not have said this if He disapproved of the temple. And He said to them, "It is written, 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER'; but you are making it a ROBBERS' DEN." Which house? The temple? Built by who? Human?

you are not making any sense with ur argument. Jesus himself said '' a time shall come and now is when the true worshipers of God will no longer go to the temple or the mountain to worship but those who want to do so will do it in spirit and in truth. Our body today is the temple of God the indwelling of the spirit. God does not live in temples built with hands. I have asked u to prove to me using the bible were christians are to build temples to God but u keep beating around the bush seek knowledge and stop been ignorant.

EMILO2STAY:
you are not making any sense with ur argument.

okay.

Jesus himself said '' a time shall come and now is when the true worshipers of God will no longer go to the temple or the mountain to worship but those who want to do so will do it in spirit and in truth.

True. Except you added temple. The word said Jerusalem and Mountain

21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.…

...meaning every other place including Nigeria is as holy.

Our body today is the temple of God the indwelling of the spirit.

No doubt.

God does not live in temples built with hands.

God lives everywhere including in temples made and dedicated to him. (Jer23:24)

I have asked u to prove to me using the bible were christians are to build temples to God but u keep beating around the bush

I am not beating around the bush. I told you God approves of Temples else Jesus would not bother driving the traders out of the temple built by hand.

seek knowledge and stop been ignorant.

I will, I promise.