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Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:14pm On Dec 22, 2015
brocab:
I don't make images of myself-taken photo's or looking in the mirror-isn't a sign of worship-isn't a sign of praising myself, isn't a sign to bow down too.
God made me in His image-not my own.
honest brocab,

do you mske images of yourself?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:18pm On Dec 22, 2015
brocab:
The video I produced, is the complete opposite, you should watch it, and then tell me about your beliefs, the Catholic's have made Mary equal with Jesus, you believe Mary the Mother of God has the final decision' above Jesus. What rubbish.
Jesus is our savour, He is the light that shines, He is the way and the truth and the life, and gateway to heaven.
Mary can't save you, Mary can't give the final decision-Mary isn't the gate to heaven, God didn't grant Mary to be the Queen of heaven, the Catholic's did.
Read the bible, don't listen to the rubbish, listen to the truth about Christ.
In your head you have made Mary equal to Jesus but the Church hasn't.

The bible said Mary is the Mother of a King, a mighty God, everlasting father and prince of peace. She is a queen. She is blessed more than any woman.

fight the bible not the church.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:21pm On Dec 22, 2015
vooks:
Is this dmandy or the virgin demon typing this? grin
If you think the mother of Jesus is a demon... then I can't help you.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 9:28pm On Dec 22, 2015
vooks:
You clearly have run out of points hence running in circles.

1. Demonstrate Mary sinlessness from scriptures. Sadly satanists despise scriptures so am certain you can't prove it

2. Walk me through the demonic leap of logic from Mary's blessedness to devil worship(Queen of Heaven is a demonic entity)

3. Jesus Christ tells me keeping His word is what makes me MORE blessed than the womb that bore him which is quite helpful seeing am a man and Jesus is not about to be born again cheesy
1. Mary is full of grace, and still is. The bible never told me Mary disobeyed God, you can help out.

2. If you think the mother of Jesus is demonic.... good for u. Mary is a queen, a mother of a king is of course.

3. Yes Mary heard the word and kept and is more blessed. Of all women... you are the most blessed.

2.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:49pm On Dec 22, 2015
The only problem is, Mary can't guild you to Jesus-its God that leads us to Him.
1 Corinthians 1:9 "God is faithful, who has called you into the fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Timothy 1:9 "He has saved us and called us to a Holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of His own propose and grace.
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.
So you can see Mary can't lead us into salvation.
dmandy:
Powerful prayer

hope u read where it said lead me and guide me to Jesus. That is the ultimate Goal.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 9:53pm On Dec 22, 2015
Well it can't be in my head so much, when you have claimed Mary is Queen-who gave that name to Her?
The Catholic's, if your answer is God, then prove it in the scriptures' where God gave Mary these names, Mother Of God, Queen Of Heaven.
So we who aren't Catholic can believe it too.
dmandy:
In your head you have made Mary equal to Jesus but the Church hasn't.

The bible said Mary is the Mother of a King, a mighty God, everlasting father and prince of peace. She is a queen. She is blessed more than any woman.

fight the bible not the church.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:01pm On Dec 22, 2015
brocab:
Well it can't be in my head so much, when you have claimed Mary is Queen-who gave that name to Her?
The Catholic's, if your answer is God, then prove it in the scriptures' where God gave Mary these names, Mother Of God, Queen Of Heaven.
So we who aren't Catholic can believe it too.
The bible did bestow those titles to Mary not the church. The Church only agreed with the bible.

If the bible says Jesus is God...and that Mary is the Mother then Mary is the mother of God.

If the bible says the mother of a king is queen snd that Jesus is a King of Kings and that Mary is Jesus's mother, then Mary is a Queen

Belief if you want to..... my business is only to correct the false teaching of the church that you parade.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:09pm On Dec 22, 2015
brocab:
The only problem is, Mary can't guild you to Jesus-its God that leads us to Him.
1 Corinthians 1:9 "God is faithful, who has called you into the fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Timothy 1:9 "He has saved us and called us to a Holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of His own propose and grace.
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.
So you can see Mary can't lead us into salvation.
No, that is not the problem. The problem is that you hate to hear the name Mary. The bible encourages us to lead one another to Jesus. Mary who is so close to him cannot be an exemption.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:13pm On Dec 22, 2015
Then show me in the scriptures, where does it say, Mary has all the rights to these titles ?
I have read Jesus is the King of kings, and the Lord of lords, but I have never found in the scriptures' your claims about Mary being a Queen.
And besides, if Jesus is the King of kings, Mary wouldn't be His Queen.
Prove your point-Mother of God, Queen of Heaven.
dmandy:
The bible did bestow those titles to Mary not the church. The Church only agreed with the bible.

If the bible says Jesus is God...and that Mary is the Mother then Mary is the mother of God.

If the bible says the mother of a king is queen snd that Jesus is a King of Kings and that Mary is Jesus's mother, then Mary is a Queen

Belief if you want to..... my business is only to correct the false teaching of the church that you parade.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 10:18pm On Dec 22, 2015
That's what the bible say's-No Mary can not lead anyone to Christ.
Her name is leading you all up the garden path, that's about it.
dmandy:
No, that is not the problem. The problem is that you hate to hear the name Mary. The bible encourages us to lead one another to Jesus. Mary who is so close to him cannot be an exemption.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 10:39pm On Dec 22, 2015
brocab:
Then show me in the scriptures, where does it say, Mary has all the rights to these titles ?
I have read Jesus is the King of kings, and the Lord of lords, but I have never found in the scriptures' your claims about Mary being a Queen.
And besides, if Jesus is the King of kings, Mary wouldn't be His Queen.
Prove your point-Mother of God, Queen of Heaven.
Good, you have read that Jesus is king of kings.

Try and read that the mother of a king is his queen.
Expo: check 1kings 2

When you are done read also that Jesus's mother is Mary.

Yes, you read that Jesus is Lord, do well to read that Mary the mother of our lord.

try and read also that Jesus is a mighty God

Read that Jesus is born of a virgin

Look for where it is written that this virgin's name is Mary.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody:
brocab:
That's what the bible say's-No Mary can not lead anyone to Christ.
Her name is leading you all up the garden path, that's about it.
You just confirmed your hatred for Mary. But it's not my problem that you don't believe the Bible. According to your own version every other believer can lead another to christ except Mary?

I don't even have to waste my data asking you where you read the statement in the bible because if I do you will quote one business man who runs one pastor and pastor (mrs) inc. ventures.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 11:14pm On Dec 22, 2015
As you continue to avoid this question like plague 'honest brocab, st. brocab, do you make images of yourself?' Y/N?

I will leave you and your conscience for now.

Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year in advance.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
This is the second time, I have to repeat myself. Are you that covered in the blindness of your Church, "you can't understand pure English?
I don't make images of myself. Not out of clay, nor out of wood, not even stone, nor do I worship my image, sing praises to my image, nor bow down to my image.
Besides God made me in His image-not my own.
dmandy:
As you continue to avoid this question like plague 'honest brocab, st. brocab, do you make images of yourself?' Y/N?

I will leave you and your conscience for now.

Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year in advance.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab:
The only problem you have is this, the Mary I know written in the bible, isn't the Mary you worship.
I would understand-if someone alive leads people to Christ.
When believers in Christ lead people to Christ, it's the Holy Spirit that moves like the wind.

But if you honestly believe Mary is leading people to Christ, impossible, Her Spirit-nor do the Angels can lead people to Christ.
She has no chance.
In Her flesh she is dead and buried, her Spirit lives on-with Christ.

This call can only come straight from God Himself.
dmandy:
You just confirmed your hatred for Mary. But it's not my problem that you don't believe the Bible. According to your own version every other believer can lead another to christ except Mary?

I don't even have to waste my data asking you where you read the statement in the bible because if I do you will quote one business man who runs one pastor and pastor (mrs) inc. ventures.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:01am On Dec 23, 2015
I have read 1 Kings 2, nothing that proves Mary was rewarded with the authority equal to Jesus, and nothing in their to prove Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
dmandy:
Good, you have read that Jesus is king of kings.

Try and read that the mother of a king is his queen.
Expo: check 1kings 2

When you are done read also that Jesus's mother is Mary.

Yes, you read that Jesus is Lord, do well to read that Mary the mother of our lord.

try and read also that Jesus is a mighty God

Read that Jesus is born of a virgin

Look for where it is written that this virgin's name is Mary.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 12:01am On Dec 23, 2015
brocab:
This is the second time, I have to repeat myself. Are you that covered in the blindness of your Church, you have walking in for, how long-that you can't understand pure English?
I don't make images of myself. Not out of clay, nor out of wood, not even stone, nor do I worship my image, sing praises to my image, nor bow down to my image.
Besides God made me in His image-not my own.
I am not blind sir, I am only making sure I read what you meant.

It's not really that bad to repeat for emphasis.

Granted you don't make images of yourself... You don't have image of yourself in mirror(clay) and of course you don't have pictures on paper(wood).

I'm sorry for assuming you have images of yourself. Pardon my mistake.

I have images of myself and my loved ones all around me but I don't sing praises to these images. I rather sing praises to they themselves when there is need for it but not their image.

What about your house plan? It is an image of something on earth. If you dont make image of yourself but make that of your house.... you are guilty of making images. And let me add that your house is made of clay, wood and stone.

Mention me
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 12:04am On Dec 23, 2015
brocab:
The only problem you have is this, the Mary I know written in the bible, isn't the Mary you worship.
I would understand-if someone alive leads people to Christ.
But for someone who is dead and buried, you have no chance.
Jesus said let the dead bury the dead.
I worship the Mary that the bible told me to worship.

Mary is much more alive than you.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 12:07am On Dec 23, 2015
brocab:
I have read 1 Kings 2, nothing that proves Mary was rewarded with the authority equal to Jesus, and nothing in their to prove Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
Mary does not have authority equal to that of Jesus. That is your false teaching.

1king 2:19 proves Mary is queen.

Something tells me you have known that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Thank me for teaching you that.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:13am On Dec 23, 2015
In Spirit only.
dmandy:
I worship the Mary that the bible told me to worship.

Mary is much more alive than you.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:13am On Dec 23, 2015
1 Kings does not mention Mary at all
dmandy:
Mary does not have authority equal to that of Jesus. That is your false teaching.

1king 2:19 proves Mary is queen.

Something tells me you have known that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God. Thank me for teaching you that.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody:
brocab:
The only problem you have is this, the Mary I know written in the bible, isn't the Mary you worship.
I would understand-if someone alive leads people to Christ.
When believers in Christ lead people to Christ, it's the Holy Spirit that moves like the wind.

But if you honestly believe Mary is leading people to Christ, impossible, Her Spirit-nor do the Angels can lead people to Christ.
She has no chance.
In Her flesh she is dead and buried, her Spirit lives on-with Christ.

This call can only come straight from God Himself.
Her spirit lives on with Christ and her soul with brocab?

In what book of the bible did you read that she Is dead and buried?

Two questions that will be avoided like two poisonous snakes.

Merry Christmas
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody:
brocab:
1 Kings does not mention Mary at all
Its you who won't see it.

Jesus Christ is the heir of King David, He is the
fulfillment of the covenant promises made to
David in 2 Samuel 7:16 ; 23:5 , and repeated to
Mary in Luke 1:26-36


The bible indicates that the 'Gebirah' (queen mother) assumed a throne along side her son [see 1 Kings2:19 ] and exercised her role as counselor [ 2Chrons 22:3 ] and intercessor to the king [1Kings 2:13-21 . Even in times of conquest both the king
and his mother represented royal power and both
were deposed [ 2 Kings 24:12 ].
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody: 12:19am On Dec 23, 2015
brocab:
In Spirit only.
Where did you get that info?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by brocab: 12:43am On Dec 23, 2015
I really don't know if your brain functions that well, surely not in the word of God anyway.
You have proven to yourself, that you are willing to lie against the truth-only to protect your Church-we all know you are a false prophet. Someone who was taught how to catch a Christian, uses the word of God against His own, only to satisfy your dirty deeds.

We started of talking about the images mentioned in the bible, of course the bible got wind of you. You had change the images' from the bible To my image-only because you didn't have a leg to stand on. You knew you were breaking God's commandments. And still are.
Really if you praise and worship yourself in photo's the mirror, etc..
Then you must be a God-the Son and the Spirit all in ONE.
dmandy:
I am not blind sir, I am only making sure I read what you meant.

It's not really that bad to repeat for emphasis.

Granted you don't make images of yourself... You don't have image of yourself in mirror(clay) and of course you don't have pictures on paper(wood).

I'm sorry for assuming you have images of yourself. Pardon my mistake.

I have images of myself and my loved ones all around me but I don't sing praises to these images. I rather sing praises to they themselves when there is need for it but not their image.

What about your house plan? It is an image of something on earth. If you dont make image of yourself but make that of your house.... you are guilty of making images. And let me add that your house is made of clay, wood and stone.

Mention me
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by Nobody:
brocab:
I really don't know if your brain functions that well, surely not in the word of God anyway.
You have proven to yourself, that you are willing to lie against the truth-only to protect your Church-we all know you are a false prophet. Someone who was taught how to catch a Christian, uses the word of God against His own, only to satisfy your dirty deeds.

We started of talking about the images mentioned in the bible, of course the bible got wind of you. You had change the images' from the bible To my image-only because you didn't have a leg to stand on. You knew you were breaking God's commandments. And still are.
Really if you praise and worship yourself in photo's the mirror, etc..
Then you must be a God-the Son and the Spirit all in ONE.
Trust me, I will ignore your insults and engage you decently.

Learn to read. I don't worship images.

Say it the way it is.... I am not protecting the church from you. who are you? I am defending the truth.

Point out where I lied or showed willingness to lie against the truth and I will follow you. Else look for more straw to grasp.... o di so much allowed.

I am not breaking any commandments by having images.

Sir, the bible said 'Image' and image is image. You are the one that is making exemptions.

You said we are talking about the images mentioned in the bible some of the images mentioned In bible includes: the ark, golden calf, bronze serpent, cherubim, lots wife, temple, scrolls, man etc? Which one exactly did we start talking about.

False prophets are the ones that say taking pictures and printing them on paper made of woods is idolatry.
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 2:47am On Dec 23, 2015
dmandy:
You use your head.... that's why you have opposite teachings of one topic. God is not the author of confusion.
Is that why you have had countless instructions on condoms from Vatican, have had different theories on whether Mary died or went to heaven like Elijah, and presently you are busy revising your gay manual?

When you know God you will start allowing his spirit to direct u and stop using ur limited brain.
You mean inviting demons(Queen of Heaven) to possess me? No thanks
No sir, communion of saints is not one way monologue. It is communion.
Great, when last did Chrysostom chat you up? What did he tell you grin grin
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 2:51am On Dec 23, 2015
dmandy:
In what book of the bible did you read that she Is dead and buried?

Two questions that will be avoided like two poisonous snakes.

Merry Christmas
What book of the bible do you read of Apollos, Barnabas, Matthew's death?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:01am On Dec 23, 2015
dmandy:
Its you who won't see it.

Jesus Christ is the heir of King David, He is the
fulfillment of the covenant promises made to
David in 2 Samuel 7:16 ; 23:5 , and repeated to
Mary in Luke 1:26-36


The bible indicates that the 'Gebirah' (queen mother) assumed a throne along side her son [see 1 Kings2:19 ] and exercised her role as counselor [ 2Chrons 22:3 ] and intercessor to the king [1Kings 2:13-21 . Even in times of conquest both the king
and his mother represented royal power and both
were deposed [ 2 Kings 24:12 ].
Why would God, Wonderful, Counsellor receive counsel from a human?

Paganism and satanism knows no bounds
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:09am On Dec 23, 2015
dmandy:
No, that is not the problem. The problem is that you hate to hear the name Mary. The bible encourages us to lead one another to Jesus. Mary who is so close to him cannot be an exemption.
He hates the putrid smell of satanism and paganism not Mary. As children of God, we abhor what He abhors. Mary is both dead and buried and probably in heaven, nobody knows that for sure.

Who was leading men to Christ AFTER Pentecost and BEFORE Mary died/was 'assumed'?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by vooks: 3:14am On Dec 23, 2015
dmandy:
If you think the mother of Jesus is a demon... then I can't help you.
Are you possessed by the Virgin?
Re: Why Do Catholics Pray With The Rosary, And Bow To Mary's Statue? by nurex01(m): 7:30am On Dec 23, 2015
Worshipping idols, bowing is an act of kuffru, shirku and it's a great sin
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