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bingbagbo:
John 10:33

They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."



JESUS CHRIST IS THE GOD I SERVE, DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU THOUGH.....WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR GOD?

The Jews lied against him - a pretext to kill him.

Prove me wrong, and prove yourself right by pointing to where Jesus told the Jews he is God.

The prologue of John's gospel is an important work within the New Testament, because it provides perhaps the clearest statement of Who Jesus was in spiritual terms. Essentially, John's prologue states that Jesus was God, but it also seeks to explain, to a certain extent, the nature of Jesus' existence and His role within the Godhead.

Let's start by examining the opening verses in John's Gospel:

 
John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
 

John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word, according to John.

John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was "with" God and "was" God. This statement yields two important conclusions regarding Jesus and the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with" God and "was" God at the same time. This is the mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct from one another.

Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word (Him) that created all things. From this statement, we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by John. Consider these facts we learn from John's Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:

First, we know from scripture that God the Father is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in physical form. So, there is no physical substance to God the Father. The Creation cannot experience the Father as He truly is, since we are bound to a physical dimension yet He is not physical.

Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise invisible (John 3:6-. He can only be known by observing His work in the Creation.

On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As John said, all things were made by and through Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17. 

More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered into and become a part of the physical creation. Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He is the One Who entered into the Creation and become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).

Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who is associated with Creation, both as its source and as an ambassador of the Godhead to that creation.

Next, consider how the Creation itself was established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that the world was created by the spoken word of God (note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then God said...". So when God the Father determined to created the universe and everything in it, He "spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse 3, Jesus was the One who made all things, therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos, or spoken Word.

We can begin to understand this partnership (at least to some degree) by drawing an analogy to how our own thoughts and words reach into the physical word. When we desire to command something to happen in the world around us, we must first conceive the idea in our minds. No one can see our thoughts. They are invisible, yet they certainly exist. Without our thoughts, we could purpose to do nothing at all.

If our thoughts are to become visible in some way, they must move from the invisible realm of our mind and into the physical world. The progression from invisible to visible requires we transfer our invisible thoughts into a spoken command. The brain communicates our thoughts to our mouth where it becomes logos: spoken words.

Once the spoken word leaves our mouth, it enters the physical world and yields its intended effect. This simple analogy helps explain how God the Father worked with God the Son (i.e., the Word) to establish Creation.

This is John's meaning when he says that Jesus is the Word. He meant that Jesus is the physical manifestation of God the Father, just as a spoken word is the physical manifestation of our inner thoughts. Until Jesus took action and created the universe, there was no physical reality to God's presence. But when God "spoke" (i.e., when Jesus took action), the Creation came into existence.

Later, Jesus arrived in Person to meet with His creation, and as Jesus spoke His words to His disciples, He fulfilled the Father's purpose by providing a physical representation of the Godhead to His creation.  Hebrews says it this way:

 
Heb. 1:1  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3  And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
 

Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:

 
Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 

Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation.

malvisguy212:
Jesus is fully God and fully human;
Human because he has flesh.
God because the spirit of God is in Him.

If the spirit of God is in you, then you are God? Conversely, if the spirit of demons is in you, you are what?

When someone say"I am possessed by demon" what does this indicate? It indicate the fellow has two nature demon and human.but the different is that the demon always override his victim freewill. But in the case of Jesus God did not override his freewill, infacte when Jesus pray to the father, he pray as a man saying"take this cup from me NOT MY WILL BUT YOUR WILL BE DONE"

If you claim Jesus is the almighty God, then it's blasphemous to say the almighty prayed to another being. Who is that being he prayed to, and what is their relative positions?

WAS IT THE ALMIGHTY GOD THAT PRAYED FOR THE WILL OF SOMEONE ELSE BE DONE ON HIS BEHALF?

To your question concerning john 3:16 pleased read colossian, it's answer your question:

Colossians 1:15-23
The Supremacy of the Son of God

Son of who?

By that expression in bold you have knowingly or unknowingly alluded to the fact that there is a begetter and a begotten.

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God,

Can you be an image of yourself? If you resemble your father, you can be described as the image of him. Can that prove you are your father?

the firstborn over all creation. 16
malvisguy212 is the firstborn of all nairalanders.
The above simply shows malvisguy212 is a nairalander, the first to register over his fellows. Similarly, Jesus is a creation, but the first to created over other creations.

[quote]For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been [b]created through [/b]him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to
have all his fullness dwell in him,

After he was created, his father used him to create all other things, hence the expression 'through him'. See proverbs 8:22 & 30

20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21 Once you were alienated from God
and were enemies in your minds
because of[ a] your evil behavior. 22 But
now he has reconciled you by Christ’s
physical body through death to present
you holy in his sight, without blemish
and free from accusation— 23 if you
continue in your faith, established and
firm, and do not move from the hope
held out in the gospel. This is the gospel
that you heard and that has been
proclaimed to every creature under
heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

The role of Jesus as a ransomer and a mediator - reconciling alienated man to his father. This is no proof of his almightiness, but subordination.

DID JESUS EVER SAY HE WAS GOD?

Jesus quotes - is Jesus God?.

Others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."1
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."3

But what did Jesus say about himself?

Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of the statements he made.

Jesus Said He Was Equal to God. Quotes from Jesus...

Jesus Said He Existed Before Abraham
"Your father Abraham rejoiced as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad."
    The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?"
    Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!"4

Jesus Said to See Him is the Same as Seeing God
Jesus shouted to the crowds, "If you trust me, you are trusting not only me, but also God who sent me. For when you see me, you are seeing the one who sent me. I have come as a light to shine in this dark world, so that all who put their trust in me will no longer remain in the dark."5

"No one can come to the Father except through me. If you had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on, you do know him and have seen him!"
    Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied."
    Jesus replied, "Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don't know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you?"6

Jesus Said He Could Forgive Sins
"...that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"--he then said to the paralytic--"Rise, pick up your bed and go home." And he rose and went home. When the crowds saw it, they were afraid, and they glorified God..."7

He said to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."8

Jesus Said He Is the Judge and Can Grant Eternal Life
"For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."9

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live."10

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."11

"For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day."12

Jesus Said He Was the Same as God
"The Father and I are one."
    Once again the people picked up stones to kill him.
    Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?"
    They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."13

Jesus Said He Is Our Source for Life. Quotes from Jesus...

"I Am the Bread of Life"
Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry again. Whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."14

"I am the way, the truth, the life"
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."15

"I am the Light of the world"
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."16

"you will know the truth"
"If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."17

"have life, abundantly"
"I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd....My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."18

"I will love him"
"...he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.... If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."19

"I am with you always"
"...behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."20

Still wondering if Jesus is God? Then u need Jesus

bingbagbo:
John 1:18

English Standard Version
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.


JESUS CHRIST IS GOD

Why do you hate so much hearing this simple truth?

No one has ever seen God, which is talking off the Father,
people have seen Jesus.

You keep using mistaken translations,
try using translations that line up with the Hebrew and Greek texts,
if you want the truth, or keep going the way you are if you want to hold to your false beliefs.
KJV is good for keeping with the Hebrew and Greek texts.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Freksy:
If the spirit of God is in you, then you are God? Conversely, if the spirit of demons is in you, you are what?



If you claim Jesus is the almighty God, then it's blasphemous to say the almighty prayed to another being. Who is that being he prayed to, and what is their relative positions?

WAS IT THE ALMIGHTY GOD THAT PRAYED FOR THE WILL OF SOMEONE ELSE BE DONE ON HIS BEHALF?



Son of who?

By that expression in bold you have knowingly or unknowingly alluded to the fact that there is a begetter and a begotten.



Can you be an image of yourself? If you resemble your father, you can be described as the image of him. Can that prove you are your father?

1.there is NO verse in the bible were it say the spirit of God is in someone,Jesus was the only flesh whom God spirit was on Him, you only here "they were moved by the power of the holy Ghost".
If a demon possessed you, it mean you are a demon.
2.Jesus has TWO nature,fully God and fully man.the nature of God did not override the nature of human in him(Jesus) when Jesus pray "NOT MY WILL" this mean God did not imposed his freewill on Him.but when demon possessed you, he imposed his freewill on you.the prayer of Jesus indicate It was His human nature that pray.
But christ is ONE.Jesus never speaks of Himself as "We," but always as "I"
Many passages refer to both natures of Christ, but it is clear that only one person is intended

The mistake you are making is that the two nature are one, God impos his freewill on Jesus.God is a spirit, can you see a spirit? Feel it or touch it? NO.the point is that this spirit dwell in the body of a flesh in other to have a personal relationship with his creatures and that flesh is Jesus. When Jesus say He is the way and truth.what was he trying to say? It is only God that can say He is the way to heaven.the reason Jesus did not say directly,I Am God is because the Jews will stone him to for blasphemy in fact it was this same reason Jesus was killed.

malvisguy212:
1.there is NO verse in the bible were it say the spirit of God is in someone,Jesus was the only flesh whom God spirit was on Him, you only here "they were moved by the power of the holy Ghost".
If a demon possessed you, it mean you are a demon.
2.Jesus has TWO nature,fully God and fully man.the nature of God did not override the nature of human in him(Jesus) when Jesus pray "NOT MY WILL" this mean God did not imposed his freewill on Him.but when demon possessed you, he imposed his freewill on you.the prayer of Jesus indicate It was His human nature that pray.
But christ is ONE.Jesus never speaks of Himself as "We," but always as "I"
Many passages refer to both natures of Christ, but it is clear that only one person is intended

The mistake you are making is that the two nature are one, God impos his freewill on Jesus.God is a spirit, can you see a spirit? Feel it or touch it? NO.the point is that this spirit dwell in the body of a flesh in other to have a personal relationship with his creatures and that flesh is Jesus. When Jesus say He is the way and truth.what was he trying to say? It is only God that can say He is the way to heaven.the reason Jesus did not say directly,I Am God is because the Jews will stone him to for blasphemy in fact it was this same reason Jesus was killed.

Even supposing some Greeks are so foolish as to think that the gods dwell in the statues, even that would be a much purer concept (of religion) than to admit that the Divine Power, god should descend into the womb of the Virgin Mary, that it became an embryo, and after birth was wrapped in rags, soiled with blood and bile, and even worse.
If Jesus was a son of God, God would have saved him at the time of his death, and he wouldn't had suffered from severe mental and physical pain at last moments.

missKiffy:
Am a christian, so am not trying to be blasphemous here but it's kind of confusing when people say Christ is God, then why did John 3:16 said "for God so love the word that He gave His only son". His only son here being Jesus

Verily, the likeness of Iesa (Jesus) before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (Quran 3 V 59)

And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad ) but We inspired him (saying): La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I (God)), so worship Me (Alone and none else)."

And they say: "The Most Beneficent (God) has begotten a son (or children)." Glory to Him! They (those whom they call children of God i.e. the angels, Iesa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), Uzair (Ezra), etc.), are but honoured servants.

They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His Command.

He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him.

And if any of them should say: "Verily, I am an ilah (a god) besides Him (God)," such a one We should recompense with Hell. Thus We recompense the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.). (Qur'an 21 V25-29)


Indeed God took the covenant from the Children of Israel (Jews), and We appointed twelve leaders among them. And God said: "I am with you if you perform As-Salat (regular prayer) and give Zakat and believe in My Messengers; honour and assist them, and lend to God a good loan. Verily, I will remit your sins and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise). But if any of you after this, disbelieved, he has indeed gone astray from the Straight Path."

So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, God loves AlMuhsinoon (gooddoers ).

And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded God Book, disobeyed God Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in God disobedience), and God will inform them of what they used to do.

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from God a light (Prophet Muhammad ) and a plain Book (this Quran).

Wherewith God guides all those who seek His Good Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides them to a Straight Way (Islamic Monotheism i.e to worship God without ascribe any partner with Him)

Surely, in disbelief are they who say that God is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad ): "Who then has the least power against God, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And God is Able to do all things.

And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of God and His loved ones." Say: (O muhammad) "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) making (things) clear unto you, after a break in (the series of) Messengers, lest you say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner." But now has come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And God is Able to do all things.
(Quran 5 V12-19)



Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "God is the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)) said: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.

Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "God is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

Will they not repent to God and ask His Forgiveness? For God is OftForgiving, Most Merciful.

The Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of God and His Books They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while God does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).

Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship besides God something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is God Who is the AllHearer, AllKnower."

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path."
(Qur'an 5 V71-76

He (Iesa (Jesus)) was not more than a servant. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father).

And if it were Our Will, We would have (destroyed you (mankind) all, and) made angels to replace you on the earth.

And he (Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)) shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) (i.e. Iesas (Jesus) descent on the earth). Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (God) (i.e. be obedient to God and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to God and to His Paradise).

And let not Shaitan (Satan) hinder you (from the right religion, i.e. Islamic Monotheism), Verily, he (Satan) to you is a plain enemy.

And when Iesa (Jesus) came with (Our) clear Proofs, he said: "I have come to you with Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) in which you differ, therefore fear Allah and obey me,

"Verily, God! He is my Lord (God) and your Lord (God). So worship Him (Alone). This is the (only) Straight Path (i.e. God religion of true Islamic Monotheism)."

But the sects from among themselves differed. So woe to those who do wrong (by ascribing things to Iesa (Jesus) that are not true) from the torment of a painful Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)!
(Qur'an 43 V 59-65)

malvisguy212:
yes, we are god because we are created in the image of God,BUT God spirit is in Jesus meaning Jesus has two nature, God and human.

Lol.

So, you don't have the holy spirit, ?

Pray

missKiffy:
Am a christian, so am not trying to be blasphemous here but it's kind of confusing when people say Christ is God, then why did John 3:16 said "for God so love the word that He gave His only son". His only son here being Jesus

. Yea i know it's pretty confusing but John 1:1-2 explains it all..."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning". Jesus is the Word here. Whatever a person thinks or says, that is what he is. If i say "i have a dream...", everyone will say Martin Luther King. Jesus was God's first words. Jesus was the first to be created by God in Genesis 1...'Light'... notice it starts with a capital letter in your Bible and it is not talking about the sun, moon and stars that were created on another day. And now he, being the Word, became what God used to create the rest of the world. When Jesus (Light) was created, he became the craftsman at God's side, as explained in Proverbs 8:22-30. So, being God's first creation, and His only Son, he is God as well. Just as a horse gives birth to a horse, God have birth to God. Just as a king and prince have the same power, God and Jesus are one. And even upon all that, Jesus is still so humble that he gives all the glory to his Father alone and not to himself. Amazing huh?

ResameOkim:
. Yea i know it's pretty confusing but John 1:1-2 explains it all..."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning". Jesus is the Word here. Whatever a person thinks or says, that is what he is. If i say "i have a dream...", everyone will say Martin Luther King. Jesus was God's first words. Jesus was the first to be created by God in Genesis 1...'Light'... notice it starts with a capital letter in your Bible and it is not talking about the sun, moon and stars that were created on another day. And now he, being the Word, became what God used to create the rest of the world. When Jesus (Light) was created, he became the craftsman at God's side, as explained in Proverbs 8:22-30. So, being God's first creation, and His only Son, he is God as well. Just as a horse gives birth to a horse, God have birth to God. Just as a king and prince have the same power, God and Jesus are one. And even upon all that, Jesus is still so humble that he gives all the glory to his Father alone and not to himself. Amazing huh?

Lies. Jesus is not created ,

bingbagbo:
Lies. Jesus is not created ,

Lol, then why does Proverbs 8:20 say 'the Lord created me first of all, the first of His works long ago'?

ResameOkim:
Lol, then why does Proverbs 8:20 say 'the Lord created me first of all, the first of His works long ago'?

Joker.... That scripture is talking about wisdom... Not jesus who created all things... Don't you have a bible? Read Hebrew 1:8

bingbagbo:
Joker.... That scripture is talking about wisdom... Not jesus who created all things... Don't you have a bible? Read Hebrew 1:8

Lol, and the Word is not wisdom? And what does Hebrews 1:8 have to do with Jesus not being created? Ok, alright, Jesus just existed like God. Gid didn't create or beget him. He isn't God's 'begotten' Son...ok

bingbagbo:
Joker.... That scripture is talking about wisdom... Not jesus who created all things... Don't you have a bible? Read Hebrew 1:8

Lol, and the Word is not wisdom and what does Hebrews 1v8 have to do with Jesus not being created? Lol, okay, alright, Jesus wasn't created or begotten by God, he just existed like God and was called the 'Son' without being produced from somewhere...okay. Also John 1 doesn't say that through the Word, all things were made. Alright ...if you say so.

Jesus is no doubt God right! But he has a God also that made him all he is.

1 Cor. 15:24-29
"24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

Barukh shem kevod Elohim shimkha tzedekh, shimkha kadosh O Yahweh El-Elyon!

mustymatic:
Jesus didn't read n write what u quoted

Which part of the quran did muhammed read and wrote by himself?

mustymatic:
Paul was a bounty hunter, Christian hunter, then suddenly, he met Jesus? and wrote d Bible... there!

We can say the same for prophet muhammed too.

Muhammed was a bounty hunter, Christian and Jew hunter, then suddenly, he met maleka Jibril? and wrote d quran... right there! O wait! he was an illiterate he couldn't read and write.

nunamyeong:
Read the book of Hebrew in d new testament u will know who Jesus is.

Where in the book of Hebrews?

Medicis:
The prologue of John's gospel is an important work within the New Testament, because it provides perhaps the clearest statement of Who Jesus was in spiritual terms. Essentially, John's prologue states that Jesus was God, but it also seeks to explain, to a certain extent, the nature of Jesus' existence and His role within the Godhead.

Let's start by examining the opening verses in John's Gospel:

 
John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
 

John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word, according to John.

John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was "with" God and "was" God. This statement yields two important conclusions regarding Jesus and the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with" God and "was" God at the same time. This is the mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct from one another.

Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word (Him) that created all things. From this statement, we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by John. Consider these facts we learn from John's Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:

First, we know from scripture that God the Father is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in physical form. So, there is no physical substance to God the Father. The Creation cannot experience the Father as He truly is, since we are bound to a physical dimension yet He is not physical.

Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise invisible (John 3:6-. He can only be known by observing His work in the Creation.

On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As John said, all things were made by and through Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17. 

More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered into and become a part of the physical creation. Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He is the One Who entered into the Creation and become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).

Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who is associated with Creation, both as its source and as an ambassador of the Godhead to that creation.

Next, consider how the Creation itself was established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that the world was created by the spoken word of God (note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then God said...". So when God the Father determined to created the universe and everything in it, He "spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse 3, Jesus was the One who made all things, therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos, or spoken Word.

We can begin to understand this partnership (at least to some degree) by drawing an analogy to how our own thoughts and words reach into the physical word. When we desire to command something to happen in the world around us, we must first conceive the idea in our minds. No one can see our thoughts. They are invisible, yet they certainly exist. Without our thoughts, we could purpose to do nothing at all.

If our thoughts are to become visible in some way, they must move from the invisible realm of our mind and into the physical world. The progression from invisible to visible requires we transfer our invisible thoughts into a spoken command. The brain communicates our thoughts to our mouth where it becomes logos: spoken words.

Once the spoken word leaves our mouth, it enters the physical world and yields its intended effect. This simple analogy helps explain how God the Father worked with God the Son (i.e., the Word) to establish Creation.

This is John's meaning when he says that Jesus is the Word. He meant that Jesus is the physical manifestation of God the Father, just as a spoken word is the physical manifestation of our inner thoughts. Until Jesus took action and created the universe, there was no physical reality to God's presence. But when God "spoke" (i.e., when Jesus took action), the Creation came into existence.

Later, Jesus arrived in Person to meet with His creation, and as Jesus spoke His words to His disciples, He fulfilled the Father's purpose by providing a physical representation of the Godhead to His creation.  Hebrews says it this way:

 
Heb. 1:1  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3  And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
 

Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:

 
Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 

Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation.

God bless and honour you.

Banjoramos:
Verily, the likeness of Iesa (Jesus) before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (Quran 3 V 59)

And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad ) but We inspired him (saying): La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I (God)), so worship Me (Alone and none else)."

And they say: "The Most Beneficent (God) has begotten a son (or children)." Glory to Him! They (those whom they call children of God i.e. the angels, Iesa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), Uzair (Ezra), etc.), are but honoured servants.

They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His Command.

He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him.

And if any of them should say: "Verily, I am an ilah (a god) besides Him (God)," such a one We should recompense with Hell. Thus We recompense the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.). (Qur'an 21 V25-29)


Indeed God took the covenant from the Children of Israel (Jews), and We appointed twelve leaders among them. And God said: "I am with you if you perform As-Salat (regular prayer) and give Zakat and believe in My Messengers; honour and assist them, and lend to God a good loan. Verily, I will remit your sins and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise). But if any of you after this, disbelieved, he has indeed gone astray from the Straight Path."

So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, God loves AlMuhsinoon (gooddoers ).

And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection (when they discarded God Book, disobeyed God Messengers and His Orders and transgressed beyond bounds in God disobedience), and God will inform them of what they used to do.

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and passing over (i.e. leaving out without explaining) much. Indeed, there has come to you from God a light (Prophet Muhammad ) and a plain Book (this Quran).

Wherewith God guides all those who seek His Good Pleasure to ways of peace, and He brings them out of darkness by His Will unto light and guides them to a Straight Way (Islamic Monotheism i.e to worship God without ascribe any partner with Him)

Surely, in disbelief are they who say that God is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad ): "Who then has the least power against God, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And God is Able to do all things.

And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are the children of God and His loved ones." Say: (O muhammad) "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" Nay, you are but human beings, of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to God belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return (of all).

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) making (things) clear unto you, after a break in (the series of) Messengers, lest you say: "There came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner." But now has come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And God is Able to do all things.
(Quran 5 V12-19)



Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "God is the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)) said: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.

Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "God is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

Will they not repent to God and ask His Forgiveness? For God is OftForgiving, Most Merciful.

The Messiah (Iesa (Jesus)), son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Maryam (Mary)) was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of God and His Books They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while God does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).

Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "How do you worship besides God something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is God Who is the AllHearer, AllKnower."

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path."
(Qur'an 5 V71-76

He (Iesa (Jesus)) was not more than a servant. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example to the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father).

And if it were Our Will, We would have (destroyed you (mankind) all, and) made angels to replace you on the earth.

And he (Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)) shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) (i.e. Iesas (Jesus) descent on the earth). Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (God) (i.e. be obedient to God and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to God and to His Paradise).

And let not Shaitan (Satan) hinder you (from the right religion, i.e. Islamic Monotheism), Verily, he (Satan) to you is a plain enemy.

And when Iesa (Jesus) came with (Our) clear Proofs, he said: "I have come to you with Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) in which you differ, therefore fear Allah and obey me,

"Verily, God! He is my Lord (God) and your Lord (God). So worship Him (Alone). This is the (only) Straight Path (i.e. God religion of true Islamic Monotheism)."

But the sects from among themselves differed. So woe to those who do wrong (by ascribing things to Iesa (Jesus) that are not true) from the torment of a painful Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)!
(Qur'an 43 V 59-65)

Use your Brian for once. Stop copying and pasting. And stop thinking through your Anus.

ResameOkim:
. Yea i know it's pretty confusing but John 1:1-2 explains it all..."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning". Jesus is the Word here. Whatever a person thinks or says, that is what he is. If i say "i have a dream...", everyone will say Martin Luther King. Jesus was God's first words. Jesus was the first to be created by God in Genesis 1...'Light'... notice it starts with a capital letter in your Bible and it is not talking about the sun, moon and stars that were created on another day. And now he, being the Word, became what God used to create the rest of the world. When Jesus (Light) was created, he became the craftsman at God's side, as explained in Proverbs 8:22-30. So, being God's first creation, and His only Son, he is God as well. Just as a horse gives birth to a horse, God have birth to God. Just as a king and prince have the same power, God and Jesus are one. And even upon all that, Jesus is still so humble that he gives all the glory to his Father alone and not to himself. Amazing huh?

You dey lucky say I no see you, the kind hug wey I for give you eeh.

analice107:
Use your Brian for once. Stop copying and pasting. And stop thinking through your Anus.

I have givin you a clear evidence and convicing proof if you receive guidiance you receive it for your own benefit

bingbagbo:
John 10:33

They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."
JESUS CHRIST IS THE GOD I SERVE, DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU THOUGH.....WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR GOD?[/b]

John 10:33-36 New International Version (NIV)
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law,‘I have said you are“gods”'? 35 If he called them ‘gods,' to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside — 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said,‘I am God's Son'?

Read the above emboldened from down to up, you will understand it better.

1. Jesus said he is God's son (the son of God).
2. Both Jesus and and the Jews are saying the same thing in vs 35, 34 and 33 (no misunderstanding).
3. Saying you are God's son implies you are a god, vs 35, 34, 33.

If gods should start a sentence it will definitely be written as 'Gods.' Nobody own the word 'God,' it is just like having 'Almighty' and 'almighty.' Same word,, same meaning. What we have is the God of Gods, this One is the God of all. He has no God and He is the Father.

◄John 20:17 ►
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
Read also 1Cor 8:5-6, Heb 1:9, Rev 3:12.

missKiffy, they no wan make you be Christian or what?

This topic will also help.
https://www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity

analice107:
Where in the book of Hebrews?

just chapter 1 - 5 will be ok