armadeo:



Only in utopia can every man be equal. There is no utopia.

And believe me when I say for every single gain you've made someone lost.

No theorist or empiricist asks for equality...equality is an illusion. No two things are ever and will ever be equal...but there is a baseline, a minimum requirement or limit to everything in life...and I believe you agree to that. However how we deviate from this limit or minimum differs but it would be an anomaly to find someone way below the limit or minimum...Bro not all of us want to be millionaires, some just want a bungalow in their village and a job paying 30k a month and they are OK!

...and to correct your historically erroneous belief that what a man gains another loses, please read the response of Adam Smith and David Ricardo to the Mercantilist doctrine of the zero-sum game...Life is not, has not and will never be a zero sum. I believe you have heard of synergy and i believe you know what it means...When persons in a game, act to maximize their collective gain, they gain much more than when each player seeks his gain alone - this is at the heart of the so called Nash Equilibrium and is the basis for the formation of cartels and non-price competition which is evidenced today in the Nigerian telecoms industry...so you see, the zero sum principle died a long time ago...If i can gain more than you lose then we can share the excess and live happily...

efficiencie:


Oh no sir, if you have been attentive to my reasoning you'll realize that my stance is against the belief that money can afford the priceless things of life...I am not defending the lady here, i am criticizing the man and these are two different things...For the man to announce his intention to offer his financial assistance for sex, he must have had and have justified the ideal that money can purchase sex...Now if something as sacred as sex can be purchased, why can't i purchase something as sacred as your head...why can't i simply offer to pay you to sit down and watch me be your wife's husband for 4 hours in the presence of your kids...

He can offer to buy sex it happens. The issue about the head is that you didn't offer paid someone to take a head. There's a difference.

You can also offer to bang someone's wife that's your choice. It's thier choice to accept or refuse. Didnt you see the time when girls were selling thier virginities online?

They offered and someone purchased.

efficiencie:


Oh no sir, if you have been attentive to my reasoning you'll realize that my stance is against the belief that money can afford the priceless things of life...I am not defending the lady here, i am criticizing the man and these are two different things...For the man to announce his intention to offer his financial assistance for sex, he must have had and have justified the ideal that money can purchase sex...Now if something as sacred as sex can be purchased, why can't i purchase something as sacred as your head...why can't i simply offer to pay you to sit down and watch me be your wife's husband for 4 hours in the presence of your kids...

I think u need a couple of classes in logic, then maybe u can make better arguments. Buh for now, go sleep and stop making ur ignorance so obvious. Sometimes u think u know, sometimes u think u are making sense, buh right now I will categorically tell u that u ain't...

efficiencie:



No theorist or empiricist asks for equality...equality is an illusion. No two things are ever and will ever be equal...but there is a baseline, a minimum requirement or limit to everything in life...and I believe you agree to that. However how we deviate from this limit or minimum differs but it would be an anomaly to find someone way below the limit or minimum...Bro not all of us want to be millionaires, some just want a bungalow in their village and a job paying 30k a month and they are OK!

...and to correct your historically erroneous belief that what a man gains another loses, please read the response of Adam Smith and David Ricardo to the Mercantilist doctrine of the zero-sum game...Life is not, has not and will never be a zero sum. I believe you have heard of synergy and i believe you know what it means...When persons in a game, act to maximize their collective gain, they gain much more than when each player seeks his gain alone - this is at the heart of the so called Nash Equilibrium and is the basis for the formation of cartels and non-price competition which is evidenced today in the Nigerian telecoms industry...so you see, the zero sum principle died a long time ago...If i can gain more than you lose then we can share the excess and live happily...

The Nash equilibrium suggests that the group is better if looking after itself than individuals. But the question is who is the group formed against?

Let's still not deviate from topic. I feel this matter is simple. An offer was made and it was rejected. The entire hullabaloo is unnecessary.

beeserious:


Please Lady Doveda control yourself.U can make your point without abuses you know.
So you think its ok for a girl to ask a practical stranger, a man,for money and for him to just give her just like that.When we were little,our parents beat us if they even heard that we begged for food from our classmates or worse, asked a stranger for money.
This scenario is no better. Thank you

Is the OP a kid? I believe she's not...and i believe the morale behind parents requiring kids not to take things from strangers is because they as kids are yet to be accountable for their deeds...but I want to ask, is it wrong to ask for help? You are asking the lady if it is right to ask for help from a practical stranger, did you know God personally before asking for help? Or Ok some would say that example is, 'wack', must you know you lecturer, neighbor or even a classmate before you can ask them for help? At least you would have prepared your mind to hear: Oh, i can't help you...that's Ok...but is it consistent with good behavior to pin your assistance on a sexual favor?

reminiscing:


Why would I want to use the guy?I just think he wants to play smart by trying to act on the fact that I really need a to pay for my Hostel accommodation fee.I never asked him for it in the first place,he offered to give me the money when I told him that I had payed my fees and internship fee with my Accomdation fees left

What was your purpose of telling him the story when you were not expecting anything from him? That is too much to tell someone you barely knew.

armadeo:



The Nash equilibrium suggests that the group is better if looking after itself than individuals. But the question is who is the group formed against?

Let's still not deviate from topic. I feel this matter is simple. An offer was made and it was rejected. The entire hullabaloo is unnecessary.

...good, but does that now justify all the manner of aspersions and negative statements hurled against the lady?

Cesclxg:

I think u need a couple of classes in logic, then maybe u can make better arguments. Buh for now, go sleep and stop making ur ignorance so obvious. Sometimes u think u know, sometimes u think u are making sense, buh right now I will categorically tell u that u ain't...

...well it appears we at our limits...No hard feelings! I've got my stance, ideals and belief systems as well as you do and you have made your point known...
As for the rationality of my arguments, you may suggest i take classes in logic, but i assure you i did and i did excellently in it...but as for if i am making sense to you that is a whole new ball game...my sense may be senseless to you but that's my sense. It is clear we are not arguing rationality here but rubbing our deeply contrasting worldviews against each other...No hard feelings mehn...

doveda:


Burnt? Because of sex?

You are mad!

Helping others should not have a tag

From my experience, it is the men that claim to be able to give. And I know that they would ask for sex as gratitude

iranu, what is this one saying, go and sell your body because of money nah................mtchwwwwww

reminiscing:


Why would I want to use the guy?I just think he wants to play smart by trying to act on the fact that I really need a to pay for my Hostel accommodation fee.I never asked him for it in the first place,he offered to give me the money when I told him that I had payed my fees and internship fee with my Accomdation fees left

At first don't u have parents or relatives dat can assist u? U are both working toward sumtin or u both want to achieve sumtin. U barely know him and u are demand money from him.

reminiscing:

Obviously,you're judging me from my previous post.......

I think he's judging the greedy married man who is destroying other men's wives-to-be. Contentment, they say, it's a great gain.

Flee fornication from alduterious married man sister. What goes round comes around.
Shalom!

efficiencie:


...good, but does that now justify all the manner of aspersions and negative statements hurled against the lady?

Most people here are only trying to let her know that nothing is free. Even when u decide to do something for someone, it still isn't free coz u are the one making the sacrifice. So the bottomline line is that she should not have come here complaining. She should have known that this is life. The thread is basically pointless. What does she wants? Our sympathy? Well she has that already. Buh she should not have come here expecting us to judge the man. She made her decision, he made his.

and to reminiscing:

I like your stance as a woman...if Eve took her stand, as you did, when the serpent offered her a transaction that involved here selling a priceless gift perhaps mankind would not have been where it is today...if many women took their stand like you did there would be fewer whores in Africa but nevertheless in the face of the evils in our world I will like to quote Obama: "After the bad have done their worst, the good must do their best"...so keep doing your best anywhere you find yourself and may our collective best stand tall against the worst evils of this world. Amen.

efficiencie:


...well it appears we at our limits...No hard feelings! I've got my stance, ideals and belief systems as well as you do and you have made your point known...
As for the rationality of my arguments, you may suggest i take classes in logic, but i assure you i did and i did excellently in it...but as for if i am making sense to you that is a whole new ball game...my sense may be senseless to you but that's my sense. It is clear we are not arguing rationality here but rubbing our deeply contrasting worldviews against each other...No hard feelings mehn...

Truth be told, I like you. Others wud have given in to insults but not you. For that, I respect you; even though we seem to have divergent views on this topic. Anyways, keep it up...

slap1:
How much are you supposed to sleep with him for? Why does he have to give you the money? From the little you posted, I can surmise you also want to use the guy the same way he wants to use you.

Call Mesut Özil.

I as an Arsenal fan know that Mesut does not assist even for free. He expect you to score. No gratis.

reminiscing:
I have really suffered o.A guy who happens to b a manager of a printing press that offered to assist me with my hostel Accommodation payment stopped picking my calls last week because I have refused to sleep with him.He said he loved me and all he is making for is for me to allow him sleep with him and he will give me the money he promised.I was surprised wen he promised to help with the payment because I met him last month and now imagine the Option he gave.I feel really disappointed....I wonder where our generation is headed for...

Check your inbox.

It is well!!!

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reminiscing:
I have really suffered o.A guy who happens to b a manager of a printing press that offered to assist me with my hostel Accommodation payment stopped picking my calls last week because I have refused to sleep with him.He said he loved me and all he is making for is for me to allow him sleep with him and he will give me the money he promised.I was surprised wen he promised to help with the payment because I met him last month and now imagine the Option he gave.I feel really disappointed....I wonder where our generation is headed for...

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mumu

You think santaclos does really exist?

Cesclxg:

Most people here are only trying to let her know that nothing is free. Even when u decide to do something for someone, it still isn't free coz u are the one making the sacrifice. So the bottomline line is that she should not have come here complaining. She should have known that this is life. The thread is basically pointless. What does she wants? Our sympathy? Well she has that already. Buh she should not have come here expecting us to judge the man. She made her decision, he made his.

Q.E.D. The essence of choice.

Cesclxg:

Truth be told, I like you. Others wud have given in to insults but not you. For that, I respect you; even though we seem to have divergent views on this topic. Anyways, keep it up...

Seconded.

efficiencie:


Is the OP a kid? I believe she's not...and i believe the morale behind parents requiring kids not to take things from strangers is because they as kids are yet to be accountable for their deeds...but I want to ask, is it wrong to ask for help? You are asking the lady if it is right to ask for help from a practical stranger, did you know God personally before asking for help? Or Ok some would say that example is, 'wack', must you know you lecturer, neighbor or even a classmate before you can ask them for help? At least you would have prepared your mind to hear: Oh, i can't help you...that's Ok...but is it consistent with good behavior to pin your assistance on a sexual favor?

First your God example is silly.

Secondly what is help? Help is asking for directions,asking someone to watch your bag while you go to he toilet. help is buying lunch for a starving person. Paying rent for what is an ELITIST pursuit is a lot more than help. If you are not financially ready for studies get a job!!
Asking for money is BEGGING that is not help. In life nothing is free and this is the fundamental problem many young Nigerians have they want to get something for nothing. If she is asking to borrow money then one may call that help assuming she does not pay interest.
If you are interested in stuff you cannot pay for and insist on having them then you are a thief. If she cannot afford the hostel then forget about that till you are ready. How are you better than those petrol attendants of bus conductors? But you can afford to operate a mobile phone and browse the internet. There is no justification collecting money from a stranger for nothing such a person cannot have goo morals and while I indulge the story for the purpose of this thread I do not believe it.

Your reasoning sha.............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_bLL7ZGns

doveda and manie nice one..
Oga manie I Lik ur maturity and doveda I'm happy you apologized.

Doveda will advice never to use any foul word on anybody here evn offline..Trust me it's a very dirty,ill mannered and repulsive attitude.
However, I must commend you for the apologies.

mradjoy:
Maje ko gba adugbo e koja o, no give am chop at all o it is very dangerous. Stupid man.

Why can't some men just help without asking for anything in return?
I'm sure this same man wouldn't want same to happen to his daughter na.

A responsible father will provide for his daughter likewise a responsible daughter will depend on God when the father cannot provide rather than depending on fb

Well said.

efficiencie:


Bro this is why this world is screwed and will remain screwed till the end...with the resources in this world, should anyone be doing a shitty job? No, please look at Nigeria. With over 600 billion dollars made in oil revenue since 1999 should Nigeria be reeling under the oil price crash and many battling with no salary payments? I am not against people making their choices when there are ample choices to make...Have you read the works of Amartya Sen? Please do if you can and you'll see that the developed countries are called developed because on the average its people have a wide range of choices to choose from...An American prostitute is into the job because its fun and they even talk of making a career out of it with the like of Angeline Jolie, Sara Jay etc being celebrated porn stars at some point in their lives. Now these have choices...but in Africa this is not so. The choices are severely limited and people are burdened into doing what ordinarily they would not have done...

Bro, my point is if you, I and all of us were governed by the very same philosophy that guides that man who made such an offer, the world would be what Thomas Hobbes said it would be: "short, nasty and brutish..."

Life for most Nigerians has in fact has become short, nasty and brutish. The selfishness and greediness of a few has led to this present situation.

Indirectly the predicament of this young lady is a collective result of our mismanagement.

efficiencie:


Bro this is why this world is screwed and will remain screwed till the end...with the resources in this world, should anyone be doing a shitty job? No, please look at Nigeria. With over 600 billion dollars made in oil revenue since 1999 should Nigeria be reeling under the oil price crash and many battling with no salary payments? I am not against people making their choices when there are ample choices to make...Have you read the works of Amartya Sen? Please do if you can and you'll see that the developed countries are called developed because on the average its people have a wide range of choices to choose from...An American prostitute is into the job because its fun and they even talk of making a career out of it with the like of Angeline Jolie, Sara Jay etc being celebrated porn stars at some point in their lives. Now these have choices...but in Africa this is not so. The choices are severely limited and people are burdened into doing what ordinarily they would not have done...

Bro, my point is if you, I and all of us were governed by the very same philosophy that guides that man who made such an offer, the world would be what Thomas Hobbes said it would be: "short, nasty and brutish..."

reminiscing:


I was almost done typing the initial post fully detailed until my little cousin came to meet me and I mistakenly went back to the home page.I couldn't start all over,so I decided to be brief with this post.
My mum pays the fee of me and my brother who schools in uni port .Recently our last born got admitted into a state university,that's why I wasn't given the Accommodation fee.My friends that got accommodation sold it out to go and stay with another friend.
I am not looking for any maga

God will provide, just depend on him alone

reminiscing:

Thanks a lot.I was very shocked that he barely knows me and he is asking for sex

Since he barely knows you, you should also barely ask him for money, after all even freedom is not free !!

reminiscing:


I Dont think I can betray my conscience ..I told him I cant and I won't

What about your boy friend? Can't he help you to pay?

Op why are you sounding as if the man's request is strange? Is he asking you for something that you have not done before? If the man's demand violates your values, you should ignore him and keep looking for solution to your problem. There is no sense in lamenting about the man's disposition unless you gave him money to keep for you

jusRadical:



And you barely know him but you are asking him of money or you agreed for him to help you.


Face your studies and leave men alone.

Go back to read the story again. English dey worry u?

guiddoti:
God will provide, just depend on him alone

Please help a sister in need. God will not come down from heaven to provide for her. The Bible frowns at people that tells someone in need that the Lord will provide without assisting in someway.

Chicagoesontop:

Since he barely knows you, you should also barely ask him for money, after all even freedom is not free !!

Go back to read the story again. English dey worry u?

omonnakoda:
First your God example is silly.

Secondly what is help? Help is asking for directions,asking someone to watch your bag while you go to he toilet. help is buying lunch for a starving person. Paying rent for what is an ELITIST pursuit is a lot more than help. If you are not financially ready for studies get a job!!
Asking for money is BEGGING that is not help. In life nothing is free and this is the fundamental problem many young Nigerians have they want to get something for nothing. If she is asking to borrow money then one may call that help assuming she does not pay interest.
If you are interested in stuff you cannot pay for and insist on having them then you are a thief. If she cannot afford the hostel then forget about that till you are ready. How are you better than those petrol attendants of bus conductors? But you can afford to operate a mobile phone and browse the internet. There is no justification collecting money from a stranger for nothing such a person cannot have goo morals and while I indulge the story for the purpose of this thread I do not believe it.

Your reasoning sha.............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_bLL7ZGns

Go back to read the story again. English dey worry u? U wan blow grammar yet u no understand her simple English. "he OFFERED to assist me"

tuna4servi:

At first don't u have parents or relatives dat can assist u? U are both working toward sumtin or u both want to achieve sumtin. U barely know him and u are demand money from him.

Go back to read the story again. English dey worry u? Questionnaire