malvisguy212:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48,
Number 823:
Narrated By ‘Aisha : The Prophet
heard a man (reciting Qur’an) in the
Mosque, and he said, “May Allah
bestow His Mercy upon him. No
doubt, he made me remember such-
and such Verses of such-and-such
Surah which I dropped (from my
memory).

Muhammad forgot some verses and one
of his friends reminded him of them.
However, when there was no one to
remind him, he claimed that these
verses have been abrogated by Allah. We saw this to be true previously when two of his followers told him that they had forgotten some of the verses which he had taught them. Muhammad told them that these verses “have been abrogated, thus, forget about it.”

malvisguy212:
trash!!
[s]Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.”

However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:
“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

Why replace one verse with another if
they are similar. If the Qur’an is the
Word of God, should it not be perfect
from the start? How can one perfect
verse be better than another perfect
verse? So, how can Allah claim to
substitute his perfect verse(s) with
something better? How can a divinely
perfect revelation be improved upon?
The fact that some of its verses needed
to be replaced within a short period of
just 23 years – the time it took to
complete the Qur’an – proves that the
Qur’an’s claim to be a book for all time[/s]

malvisguy212:
[s]Surah 73:1-2: “O you wrapped in garments (i.e. Prophet Muhammad)! STAND (TO PRAY ) ALL NIGHT , except a little.” (Hilali-Khan)

However, the above two verses are
abrogated by the last verse of the very
same Surah:

Surah 73:20: “Verily, your Lord knows
that you do stand (to pray at night) a
little less than two-thirds of the night,
or half the night, or a third of the
night, and so do a party of those with
you, And Allah measures the night
and the day. He knows that you are
UNABLE TO PRAY THE WHOLE NIGHT, so
He has turned to you (in mercy). So,
recite you of the Qur’an as much as
may be easy for you.” (Hilali-Khan)

The directive to “Stand to pray all night,
except a little” in Surah 73:2 is
abrogated by Surah 73:20 – the last verse of the same Surah. But then it was
abrogated again by the implementation
of the five daily prayers. Thus, the
abrogator was abrogated.[/s]

BETATRON:
lol...understanding things hard for you oh..which language you be abeg lemme speak you language maybe you will understand

lexiconkabir:
nawa o

malvisguy212:
better you stay mute.

lexiconkabir:
@BETRATON, You better forget that guy, he doesn't understand anything, his mind is locked to anything you or any Muslim has to say, I'm speaking from experience.

lexiconkabir:


gerrarahia mhen! I have chosen to keep mute on already refuted trash, you guys keep recycling the same bullsh'it everyday after they've been refuted, when you have a new question, you can call me, but this one is a no issue for me. sorry huh, try harder!!

malvisguy212:
refute what. Muhammed wanted to write something that will help muslims not to go astray , but he die not write it, the only response to this," the hadith is not true" and you called this refute ? Muhammed keep on forgotten verses and abrogates them with different ones.

BETATRON:
this is when a yoruba man will say "opolo ti sun"

BETATRON:
that the koran was sent to muhammad by Allah is true,jibril acting as the medium btw muhammad and Allah doesn't mean that jibril is ithe owner of the content of the koran

It is the case of a post man the letter is note his(the postman's own) he is just serving as a medium between the owner of the letter and the receiver of the letter--2 and 3

the koran clearly states "do they note ponder on the koran,if it is from other than Allah they would have found there-in much contradictions--so the koran does not say the koran cannot be wrong because it was sent to one man but because it was from God--like you know every attempt to proof that the koran contains contradictions as gone futile-1

Muslim don't say the bible is wrong because YAHWEH spoke to numerous prophets but because it has been infiltrated by evil intending men--maybe you should make more findings on what transpired and the council of nacea---as you know too many hands spoils the cook--4

I believe a story which is logically and intellectually true weda this truth is followed by one man or by the entire world--truth has nothing to do with number does it?

All the prophets it our churches today where were they mentioned in the bible?

Like Í said in number 4 because it has been infiltrated by evil intending men both the old and the new

Muhammad brought the NAMe islam(as the seal of the prophet) but the practice as been since the time of adam..as you know all the prophets in the bible including christ preached monotheism and not trinity
And this is eternal life that they know You the ONE TRUE GOD and jesus whom you SENT-jesus

The lORD thy GOD is ONE--moses

analice107:

Really? Even Christ practiced Islam? But am trying to understand why, we Christians are not running around beheading those who don't believe in Christ.

Okay, We Christians believe in Trinity, So be justified in your hatred. The Jews don't, why the Islamic hatred against the Jews?

lexiconkabir:
have you finished wailing? oya face front if you have nothing to say.

BETATRON:
hatred not hatred bro..the jews also gave God a son--ezra

Does who. Kill or behead people for their unbelieve in islam are not following the teachings of the koran

Let there be no Compulsion in religion because truth stand clear from error-quran2vs256

Another one says-call people to the way of thy LORD with WISDOM and GOOD exhortation16:125

The koran even proclaims--do not let Hatred for a people lead you towards injustice

War is only allowed in islam in the case of defense not offense

malvisguy212:
This is a lie. Beheading in Islam is not a new
phenomenon by any means. It is as old
as Islam. Muslims get their motivation to behead their victims from the following Qur’anic verse:

Surah 8:12: “When your Lord
revealed to the angels: I am with you,
therefore make firm those who
believe. I will cast terror into the
hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore STRIKES OFF THEIR HEADS and strike off every fingertip of
them.” (Shakir)

Surah 8:67: “It is not for any Prophet
to have captives until he hath made
slaughter in the land.” (Pickthall)

Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam.
The Qur’an is the constitution of Saudi
Arabia. Islamic Sharia laws are
formulated from the Qur’an and Hadiths which permit beheadings of both the infidels and criminals.

BETATRON:
lol...understanding things hard for you oh..which language you be abeg lemme speak you language maybe you will understand

BETATRON:
lol you missed a lot of point maybe intentionally or unintentionally(sentimentally)..you only quoted quran8-12 because it affirms your claim hence you paid a deaf ear to quran8:1 to 11

Let examine verse 9 of the same surah- it states--9. (Remember) when you sought help of your
Lord and He answered you (saying): "I will help
you with a thousand of the angels each behind
the other (following one another) in succession."

Now I put it to you--who seek for help---the one who is out numbered,distressed and under attack or the one with overwhelming number,attacks and who is rest assured of winning? apply your reason before you respond

--as regards--this goes a long way to explain surah8vs67 also

Need I mention that this verse was revealed during the battle of badr..maybe you should also study the historical battle of badr and see for you self who was the oppressors

----the same surah states that--And fight with them until there is
no more fitna (disorder, pROSECUTIoN) and
religion should be only for Allah"?-8
Vs39
The verse clearly states that the muslims should fight until there is no more prosecution in the land

--i also put it to you..is fighting against prosecution a defensive or an offensive war?

lexiconkabir:
malvisguy212, when will you stop this copying and pasting? i have comprehensively explained the issue of the beheading of banu quraytha in THIS THREAD, moreover it wasnt even Muhammad pbuh that gave the judgement of beheading, it was sa'ad(a former ally of the banu quraytha)that gave the judgement, banu quraytha chose him themselves to be their judge, and sa'ad gave the judgement according to this bible verse Deut20:12-14 "If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies."

malvisguy212:
shut up , I provide evidence, the Islamic sharia law support beheading. “beheading” is the prescribed method of Islamic killing. Muslim extremists love to use this brutal method to kill infidels because of their hatred for all those who do not accept their form of worship. And this hatred is built on the foundation of the Book of Hate.

Deutoronumy is the old covenant, we are not bound by the law, and not all laws in the old testament apply to christians.

lexiconkabir:
i am 100% sure you either didnt read my post up there or you were too dumb to understand it. Ok, lets assume you are not bounded by the "old covenant" can you say the same for the banu quraytha, in case you dont know, banu quraytha were jews and they believed in this "old covenant", since they believed in it, they were judged using it, so whats your problem with that? and yes! never should you tell me to shut up, if you do, you wont like the outcome, ok?

malvisguy212:
what a confused man you are, Jews believe in the old covenant does not change anything, God promised the Jews in the book of Jeremiah that He will make a new covenant with them, believing in the old covenant indicated they are acting contrary to God plan and purpose.

lexiconkabir:
the jews of today, do they believe in the torah or not? i can see you clearly have nothing to say, hence the rubbish you are saying!

malvisguy212:
the Jews 100 percent believe in the torah, did I condemned the torah ? I say, not all laws in the torah apply to christians, there are laws God gave to the isrealite how to deal with difficult situation , example, nothing like bank loan during the exedus era, so God allowed the Jews to volunteers to work for their master in other to pay debt, God provide law to Guide this slaves.

So the points is not All law apply to christians, infact the mosaic law are only for the jews, NOT For the Gentile.

lexiconkabir:
Ah don die today , what i'm i saying what are you saying? did i bring christianity to this? i said the JEWS were judged using their torah, which happens to be deutronomy in the OT, letting you know that the judgement of sa'ad wasnt based on cruelty, but was based on what the jews themselves believe in, whats so difficult to understand there? take a deep breath, go to my post again where i talked about the beheading, and read with a mind of understanding, ok?

lexiconkabir:
Ah don die today , what i'm i saying what are you saying? did i bring christianity to this? i said the JEWS were judged using their torah, which happens to be deutronomy in the OT, letting you know that the judgement of sa'ad wasnt based on cruelty, but was based on what the jews themselves believe in, whats so difficult to understand there? take a deep breath, go to my post again where i talked about the beheading, and read with a mind of understanding, ok?

malvisguy212:
soo an arab man ignored the quran, and use the bible to judge ? You muslims can go to any lent to lie, just bring another lie , sharia law is base in the bible.

Surah 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage
war against Allah and His Messenger,
and strive with might and main for
mischief through the land is:
execution
(by beheading), or crucifixion, or the
cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile from the land:
that is their disgrace in this world, and a
heavy punishment is theirs in the
Hereafter;”

malvisguy212:
soo an arab man ignored the quran, and use the bible to judge ? You muslims can go to any lent to lie, just bring another lie.

Surah 5:33-“The punishment of those who wage
war against Allah and His Messenger,
and strive with might and main for
mischief through the land is:
execution
(by beheading), or crucifixion, or the
cutting off of hands and feet from
opposite sides, or exile:...;”

lexiconkabir:
you see what unnecessary hate is doing to your brain? if the banu quraytha were judged using the quran, it is people like you that will open their brown teeth and shout, injustice! injustice! now they were judged by the torah which they believe in and you say why were they not judged by the quran? why are you so lazy to read? i referred you to a thread where i talked on the issue thouroughly, you refused to look it up, you need to go for a remedial class, really! if you had perused the thread, you will see that sa'ad judgement follows deut20:12-14 line by line.

lexiconkabir:
Ah don die today , what i'm i saying what are you saying? did i bring christianity to this? i said the JEWS were judged using their torah, which happens to be deutronomy in the OT, letting you know that the judgement of sa'ad wasnt based on cruelty, but was based on what the jews themselves believe in, whats so difficult to understand there? take a deep breath, go to my post again where i talked about the beheading, and read with a mind of understanding, ok?

malvisguy212:
liar, the arab are the custodians of the Jewish scripture? Deception.