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Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by bxcode(m): 4:30pm On Jan 03, 2016
leofab:
what are you saying? Are you calling Jesus Christ God ? huh You mean God died?? Use your head sir!!!!
Lol.... don't quote me out of context ma'am. Jesus Christ is the son of God... But if you look at the concept of trinity(God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit) then yes he is also God. He came died and resurrected and God the father gave him authority over all things both in heaven and on earth that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. Jesus will also say in one of his gospels that he is one with the father and that whosoever seeth him has also seen the father.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody:
lookandlaff:
Millions of years before we discovered the world was round, Several millenia before we "discovered" America. You really expect after only 50 years of space exploration to find anything? Do you know a sophisticated Ancient city considered to be the largest in the ancient world was recently discovered by Archeologists, do you know that the white man was amazed at the technology behind the Benin bronze industry and considered it highly advanced and ahead of it's time There is evidence of sophisticated ancient civilizations long before us if only we put down our bibles and picked up a book every now and again and actually tried to educate ourselves, if only we watched discovery channel instead of Africa magic and benny Hinn/Morris cerrullo.
Excuse me. The world is just 6000+ years old. Go on, quote science and radiocarbon dating technique as much as you like.

So you think I don't watch Discovery Channel?

Referring to Benin bronze head as a mark of advanced civilization goes against sound judgment.

Technology simply means application of science (perhaps separation of bronze from its ore in this case by Benin is what I believe is been referred to here).

Besides, a better example of ancient civilization can be found in Egypt. You should also note that Christianity and science were never in conflict: Atheism and Christianity are.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by oglalasioux(m): 4:43pm On Jan 03, 2016
The pastor who made that empty tank statement is daddy G.O Enoch Adegboye. He said it in an interview with a Nigerian newspaper. That is how they will continue to hold Africans at ransom because we are yet to comprehend that what we think are gods and spirits are electromagnetic radiation. Unless we kick religion and it's murderous and 'it's the wish of God' attitude, we'll never develop because when anything happens we attribute it to the wish of God. We never accept responsibility for our actions and embrace hard work.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by bxcode(m): 5:02pm On Jan 03, 2016
kingsilly:
This still baffle me though, the world is very mobile now, you can get Christian message on the go, the necessity to gather in a particular place is long loosing its value, I don't need to be in a particular setting to pray, read my bible and say my Graces. I agree they are churches that preach the gospel the way it is, but that's like finding a needle in a haystack.
You are right but the bible wasn't mistaken when it said that we should not forsake the gathering of brethrens. God knew that times such as this will come and he also knew that some of us may out of subtle and unassuming nature may pull out and go into personal worship only without seeing the need for corporate worship anymore. But, do you know what your going to church may result into by next week? You may not know who your revelation of the gospel truth may affect out of those worshipers who are still blind to the deep things of the spirit. You are no longer going to that church to fulfill all righteousness but going to do the work of an evangelist in love. You can question some certain doctrines in the process and ask questions in open discussions, the religious folks may shut you out but you wouldn't know who you have unknowingly triggered that urge of seeking to find out the truth when they leave that gathering.
I believe you also want someone else to come to the same knowledge of truth which you have, won't you? Remember a salt can't affect the soup if it stays in the salt shaker.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by plaetton:
IRREVO:
Rational man pls tell me how on earth does one give birth to a deaf child? Believe me sir our faith and blind trust in a God (a supreme being) is our biggest strenght in Nigeria.God bless you sir and heal your beloved daughter.
That's exactly the point,sir/ madam.

You see, if you or the majority of people count and rely upon an invisible skyfairy as your biggest strength, then therein lies the main problem of Nigeria.

So, you have just confirmed what the learned gentleman is asserting.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by plaetton: 5:17pm On Jan 03, 2016
mmsen:
I'm glad that people are finally having this discussion about religion and its effects on the Nigerian psyche.
Our struggles are not in vain.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by bxcode(m): 5:18pm On Jan 03, 2016
leofab:
i believe in humanity and not a supreme being that I can't see with my eyes..I wil start believing in your God when manna start falling again and all my humanly endeavours being taken care by an heavenly being but until then my allegiance is with my fellow humans whom I can't survive without... Thank you
So your evidence of disproving the existence of a supreme being is because you can't behold him with your mere human eyes?
Does out mean that once you can't see something then it dosent exist?
The phone that you are using to type these things can you see the electromagnetic waves surrounding it and drawing signals to it? But does it mean they dosent exist?
You can't yet figure out millions of hidden discoveries scattered all over the universe and yet you want the creator to appear to you before you believe that he exists?
Are you actually being logical or merely arrogant and foolish?
Am saying this in love, but how dumb can you get and still breathe?
God exists and the evidence are all around you, and it's not a matter of proof for you, it's a matter of trying to deny and suppress them.
If you want to see God truly, seek him and you will find him. He always shows up if you are humble enough to accept that you are confused about the whole thing and need the truth and not going about it in arrogance and waving of anything you don't understand.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by omoluka: 5:24pm On Jan 03, 2016
donofdons:
[size=18pt]i am happy someone is coming out to say this....religion is really the greatest problem faced by africans and the world today....a man sees what is true and proven and chooses to believe in things that are imaginary. We already have a whatspp group of humanists and freethinkers in nigeria...just add me and i will contact you if you wanna join us to move humanity forward..thanks[/size]
I will like to join that group.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 5:26pm On Jan 03, 2016
bxcode:
So your evidence of disproving the existence of a supreme being is because you can't behold him with your mere human eyes?
Does out mean that once you can't see something then it dosent exist?
The phone that you are using to type these things can you see the electromagnetic waves surrounding it and drawing signals to it? But does it mean they dosent exist?
You can't yet figure out millions of hidden discoveries scattered all over the universe and yet you want the creator to appear to you before you believe that he exists?
Are you actually being logical or merely arrogant and foolish?
Am saying this in love, but how dumb can you get and still breathe?
God exists and the evidence are all around you, and it's not a matter of proof for you, it's a matter of trying to deny and suppress them.
If you want to see God truly, seek him and you will find him. He always shows up if you are humble enough to accept that you are confused about the whole thing and need the truth and not going about it in arrogance and waving of anything you don't understand.
Well said.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 5:29pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Excuse me. The world is just 6000+ years old. Go on, quote science and radiocarbon dating technique as much as you like.
NORAD:
It's not about time in this case.
Billions of planets have been probed for signs of life, and nothing positive so far.
If you take the cumulative efforts modern scientists have put into shaming religion by looking for extraterrestrials, then you'll understand how many thousands of years we're taking about here.
Hehehe. 6000 years old. LOL. You used a smartphone made of transistors, LED etc (working theory heavily dependent on quantum mechanics) to send this message, yet you refuse to accept scientific dating techniques based on same/similar theory.

Also, calm down on the "billions of planets" talk, under two thousand exoplanets have been discovered and although a bunch of them are outside the habitable zone, not many of them have been fully confirmed to be devoid of life. Although even if all approx. 2000 were to yield negative result on the search for extraterrestrial life, it still isn't enough to overturn the huge statistical unlikelihood that we are alone in the universe.

Finally, this isn't a competition. Scientists do not think of religion when doing research. They merely observe physical phenomena and strive to provide testable theories with the aim of obtaining a closer approximation to the truth of the universe. What comes after is basically the philosophical impact of the facts gained from probing our universe, which usually serves as counter-evidence for all that religion stands for.

Have a nice day and read real science texts, not the pseudo-scientific garbage floating around on the internet.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by bxcode(m): 5:32pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Well said.
Thanks bro....The gospel truth must be told. Thats our mandate and what we live for.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jan 03, 2016
Kachisbarbie:
Very true.
That's how somebody's half tank dried up in less than 10km after his car was hijacked... grin


I went for a condolence visit on Sat, this lady lost her baby. She was having prolonged labour and her pastor said she shouldn't be operated on, that she would deliver like the Hebrew women (this very Hebrew women, did he see how they all delivered?) They all came to the hospital and started praying_ the husband refused to give consent, she sef wanted to push.

Well, she finally pushed. She pushed a stillborn cry

Mehn, I hate religious extremists.
U will become a chosen mopol one day...
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Ruq: 5:41pm On Jan 03, 2016
MathsChic:
It is not needed. Don't make an excuse for mediocrity.
Then you're not one of those who understand.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Mopolchi: 5:53pm On Jan 03, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
@ Mopolchi ... sorry for the "Sharap " sha ... hope no love lost smiley
You are welcome! Your lessons were educative but I think they were not encompassing. I noticed that you centred now on the NT to drive home your point. First, I will like to tell you vehemently that God as a concept is a mystery which you can't explain fully as it presents itself. But one thing is sure, God is a spirit. Out of all the prophets and servants of God in the OT, only Moses was graced to see the back of God because he chose to show Moses (Exodus 33:20). The bible as I have told you earlier was a historical book of the Jews who sought to explain where they originated and their relationship with God. So recorded in the bible is the Jews' relationship with God. The first part is the relationship with God the father, who created them and catered for them. The second part is the relationship with God the son, who saved them. The last is the relationship with God the Holy Spirit, who comforted and sanctified them. The Old Testament captured more of God the father, while the New Testament captured God the Son and Holy Spirit. You cited scriptural quotes of God the Son. Yes, those verses quoted showed God the son who was made man in order to save us yet those living at that time did not see him as God. For they never believed that a God could be in a man's form. For them, he is an Almighty Spirit (See Luke 22: 66- 70). While on earth, Jesus Christ though in the form of man was always God (See Philippians 2: 6- 11). Check these biblical quotes that showed the Spirit nature of Jesus Christ, God the Son: (Read John 20;Luke 24 [Resurrection, appearances and disappearances of Jesus and Ascension; these are not man's qualities]; even devil is afraid of him, not because he was a man but God, which is spirit (Mark 1: 21-28; Mark 5:6-cool; the disciples despite their little faith which was enough according to Jesus were not able to drive out the demon (Matthew 17: 14 - 20), yet Jesus was able to do what men can't do (isn't it a pointer that Jesus Christ was a spirit too; Matthew 14: 13-21 tells you that Jesus Christ fed 5000 after the disciples who were men saw the impossibility of them feeding the 5000 men yet Jesus Christ did it; Matthew 14: 22-32 showed Jesus walking on water to the extent the disciples exclaimed "Truly you are the Son of God!"

The foregoing I believe will address the obvious loopholes in your lessons and will go on to substantiate my only contention that God is a spirit.

As for the Catholic Church, I need you to read from the last chapter of John to the chapter 11 of the Acts of the Apostles. After reading them, ask yourself which church upholds the dictates stipulated in those chapters now and, still reveres all the apostles there now. Just one holy Catholic Church. Thanks for reading!
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 5:54pm On Jan 03, 2016
LucifersTongue:
Hehehe. 6000 years old. LOL. You used a smartphone made of transistors, LED etc (working theory heavily dependent on quantum mechanics) to send this message, yet you refuse to accept scientific dating techniques based on same/similar theory.

Also, calm down on the "billions of planets" talk, under two thousand exoplanets have been discovered and although a bunch of them are outside the habitable zone, not many of them have been fully confirmed to be devoid of life. Although even if all approx. 2000 were to yield negative result on the search for extraterrestrial life, it still isn't enough to overturn the huge statistical unlikelihood that we are alone in the universe.

Finally, this isn't a competition. Scientists do not think of religion when doing research. They merely observe physical phenomena and strive to provide testable theories with the aim of obtaining a closer approximation to the truth of the universe. What comes after is basically the philosophical impact of the facts gained from probing our universe, which usually serves as counter-evidence for all that religion stands for.

Have a nice day and read real science texts, not the pseudo-scientific garbage floating around on the internet.
Thank you but I'll stick to my 6000+ years theory about the earth's age.

Who's talking about discovery of exoplanets? Aren't there billions of stars out there, and don't scientists believe each star is a sun, having its own system of planets?

Of course we're not alone in the universe. Isn't your moniker LucifersTongue? You should know better then.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by ShawnMcJoe: 6:03pm On Jan 03, 2016
Just like in days of old and like ancient Christians, how many modern church leaders can go the middle east, win souls and risk martyrdom ?
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by TrajansKong: 6:03pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Thank you but I'll stick to my 6000+ years theory about the earth's age.
Fascinating. What is this figure based on??
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by leksbore(m): 6:07pm On Jan 03, 2016
dearpreye:
Can you see how religion has ripped you off of empathy and compassion? That's what mindless religion does to weak minds.

Whether you're religious person or not, challenges are a part of our existence; ALL men MUST have a fair share of challenges and difficult times.

God isn't dealing with the Prof in any way. The current area pastor of my RCCG has a kid with an hearing aid fixed visibly on the left side of his head. That's life.

Once you lose your compassion, your humanity is GONE. There's no heaven for cold hearted fellows.
Oga say wateva u like,,,I ave said what I know and dats what I will say final.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by akigbemaru: 6:13pm On Jan 03, 2016
niyi osundare
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 6:26pm On Jan 03, 2016
TrajansKong:
Fascinating. What is this figure based on??
First, why do you find it fascinating?
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by nwakaibeya1: 6:28pm On Jan 03, 2016
Mbakas and others prophesies?after prophesy do they have the power to save and take them out those prophesied to from evil kingdoms and what they have swallowed to be powerful where they belong in evil kingdoms because that is the ultimate solution and how to know a true man of God ?you dont combine God and satan light and darkness have now meeting point so if he cant shelter you from the evil kingdoms but only to prophesy then means its fake and not from the God of justice
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by isakabiru98(m): 6:28pm On Jan 03, 2016
There are no problem about religions o,we humans are the problems of ourselves.our mentalities have been corrupt,our hearts have been blackened by evil things.
If you say it is because you can not see God ,that is y you cannot serve you,that means you are not existing.
We all know that we cannot see air but are we not feeling it on our body
People are dying everyday and non of them has come back,where are they going to?
Rain is coming down from the sky,who sent it down to the earth?
TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES,OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE MADE THE RELIGIONS To BE AN AVENUE FOR EXPLOITATION. Infact,islam want us to think and reasoning not just following leaders dogmatically.please ,GOD EXISTS oooooooollll.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by isakabiru98(m): 6:29pm On Jan 03, 2016
There are no problem about religions o,we humans are the problems of ourselves.our mentalities have been corrupt,our hearts have been blackened by evil things.
If you say it is because you can not see God ,that is y you cannot serve him ,that means you are not existing.
We all know that we cannot see air but are we not feeling it on our body
People are dying everyday and non of them has come back,where are they going to?
Rain is coming down from the sky,who sent it down to the earth?
TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES,OUR RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE MADE THE RELIGIONS To BE AN AVENUE FOR EXPLOITATION. Infact,islam want us to think and reasoning not just following leaders dogmatically.please ,GOD EXISTS oooooooollll.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by zanga420: 6:31pm On Jan 03, 2016
Ruq:
It has Killed more than That. I sometimes thinks it stunts intelligence, but to those who really understand, it is needed in a society despite its shortcomings.
religion n politics are paripassu d offshoot of ethno social sentimentalism. To solve it, structure d ethnic line properly then gullibility dies off. So blaming religion is being unfair to religion. Not everyone will understand d technicality here.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by dikeigbo2(m): 6:33pm On Jan 03, 2016
[quote author=superior1 post=41611071]I have more than 10years training as a scientist, it doesn't change my position about God. The root of this article is atheism and this is evident in his submission about miracles. That said, anyone can make a claim but to be regarded as a statement of fact, you have to give empirical backing, where this is not, the opinion is subjective at best.

That religion has a eroded the logical reasoning of Nigerians is a serious clim, irrespective of our personal




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10 years experience in what discipline? A practicing scientist? Or a certificate based scientist? But all is well shaa.
Have yourself a good Sunday
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 6:42pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Thank you but I'll stick to my 6000+ years theory about the earth's age.

Who's talking about discovery of exoplanets? Aren't there billions of stars out there, and don't scientists believe each star is a sun, having its own system of planets?

Of course we're not alone in the universe. Isn't your moniker LucifersTongue? You should know better then.
Of course, you have a right to stick with whatever belief you hold - even in the face of increasing number of evidence which makes you willfully ignorant unfortunately.

There're trillions of stars in the universe but I have no idea where you got your information that they're all devoid of biological living organisms.

I no know any demons o, them be fictional characters! LucifersTongue was picked cos it sounds nice, could've picked FlyingMonkey. Wouldn't change a thing.

Since you're sure of the existence of supernatural beings on some of those planets + 6000 year old earth, kindly provide proof to the general scientific community and proceed to bag your Nobel Laureate. At least, you go make us proud!
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by TruthPower: 6:58pm On Jan 03, 2016
jamace:
The wise ones use foreign religion to fool the ignorants.
Na today!!! Most foreign things (imports) sell in Nigeria. Weather it makes sense or not to the consumers .
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 7:05pm On Jan 03, 2016
LucifersTongue:
Of course, you have a right to stick with whatever belief you hold - even in the face of increasing number of evidence which makes you willfully ignorant unfortunately.

There're trillions of stars in the universe but I have no idea where you got your information that they're all devoid of biological living organisms.

I no know any demons o, them be fictional characters! LucifersTongue was picked cos it sounds nice, could've picked FlyingMonkey. Wouldn't change a thing.

Since you're sure of the existence of supernatural beings on some of those planets + 6000 year old earth, kindly provide proof to the general scientific community and proceed to bag your Nobel Laureate. At least, you go make us proud!
A FlyingMonkey has a monkey in it while a LucifersTongue has a Lucifer in it. My point? You chose the name of something Christianity asserts exists (in your subconscious, at least, you admit he exists then). What's in a name, you say?

I got my fact from the Bible, and your religion, science, is yet to prove me wrong. Let me at least bask in my ignorance until your science puts me to shame.

Nobel laureate? You mean the Nobel Prize? Anyway, ain't interested in such. My Master turned down earthy glory for the Father's will. I intend to follow suit.

As for you, what have you contributed to the scientific body of knowledge? You speak so well for science, but I wonder if it's okay to defend something you know very little about. You read all this things up, I presume. And you BELIEVE them, it seems. You're free to prove me wrong if you think you're some fine scientist or something like that.
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by leofab(f): 7:13pm On Jan 03, 2016
NORAD:
Trust me, even if manna falls right now, you still won't believe. Here's why:

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they [atheists] are without excuse" (Rom 1:20).
those words are written by people just like these controversial "God of men" we have these days..imagine if the bible wasn't canonised people like Rev. Kings; orisejafor and eddy nagwu wound have contributed their own books...
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jan 03, 2016
leofab:
those words are written by people just like these controversial "God of men" we have these days..imagine if the bible wasn't canonised people like Rev. Kings; orisejafor and eddy nagwu wound have contributed their own books...
It's quite incredible, don't you think. I mean the Bible (that you people claim is a conspiracy)... that over 40 writers were involved and that it took a whole 1,600 years for them to do it. And yet its wonderful unity!

What a conspirac-ious book it is!

A book that showed me the right way, melted my stony and arrogant heart, showed me to love my neighbour, gave me indescribable peace, gave me hope of heaven, gave me power to live DAY AFTER DAY WITHOUT SIN.

What a book you are!

When I thought about giving my heart to the Lord then, I thought the Christian life was going to be a boring one. How wrong I was! The peace that came over me immediately I confessed my sin... I'll let Jesus finish this:

At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children" (Mat 11:25).
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jan 03, 2016
RobinHez:
It's called a miracle.. Dummy! undecided
and you call yourself an engineer?
more like quackgineer. undecided
Re: Religion Has Killed Rational Thinking Of This Country - Prof. Osundare by RobinHez(m): 7:29pm On Jan 03, 2016
Teempakguy:
and you call yourself an engineer?
more like quackgineer. undecided
Enlighten me then...
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