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bxcode:
How dumb can you get and still breathe. Religion is a form of worshiping a particular supreme being that was invented by man. Going by that, tell me the man that invented Christianity if not Jesus himself. Quit religion and live bro.
Christianity is not and can never be a religion.

chai, who is this clown?

lacum:
chai, who is this clown?

The clown is a very good friend of Jesus.

OLAADEGBU:
Those keys were not literal keys. What you supposed to take as literal you allegorise and what you suppose to take as a metaphor you take it literal.

The figurative key that Jesus used was to open the way of salvation for those hearers who will respond to the gospel message. Peter representing all the apostles used the key to open the door to the Jews and Gentiles respectively.

please read Isaiah22:15-25 to get a better idea of what Jesus meant by handing the keys to Peter.
Jesus the King was giving Peter authority as Eliakim was given authority by king Hezekiah.

OLAADEGBU:
So you expect every statement I make to be quoted verbatim from the Bible.

This is how the verse will read in the Greek tenses:

"Whose soever sins you remit, they shall have been remitted to them"



Again there's a play on words here. In Greek, "Peter" means petros, which is a small stone, whereas "rock" is petra, meaning a great rock mass, solid and immovable. The Rock is Jesus Christ on which the Church is built upon and not a small stone, Peter. It was Peter's great confession of Jesus as the Creator and Son of the living God was the massive rock foundation on which Christ would build His Church.

The word "Church" that Jesus used here in Greek is ekklesia, meaning the called out assembly in the NT. This Church built by Christ consists of all who agree in mind and spirit with Peter's great confession in the biblical reference you quoted earlier on.

The Greek scholar! you really need to look into how greek uses feminine and masculine words.In any case, Jesus would have said in Araimaic (you are kepha and on this kepha I'll build my church).
Peter is referred to as kephas by Paul.
Please also look into the full context of what Jesus said.

OLAADEGBU:
Why don't you say what you really mean? You mean to say that the Roman Catholic Church is the body of Christ and the Pope is it's vicar.

Does anyone outside the RCC have a chance of having a living relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ?

you wish to display your ignorance.

The church of Christ subsist in the Catholic Church but that doesn't mean that only "card carrying" Catholics can have a relationship with Jesus.

All who are justified by faith in baptism are Christians and have "communion" with the Church, the catholic church. So yes it is possible for many people who do not identify themselves as Catholics to have a relationship with Jesus.

Aizenosa:
lmao OLAADEGBU chai what did the Catholic church do to u for u to be dis motivated to try to bring it down, lol anyway make I remind u many have tried and after so much trial some became Catholics and others faded into oblivion.

Our Father whom art in heaven, hallow be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, give us this day our daily bread and FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHOM TRESPASSE AGAINST US and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from every evil. Amen

The RCC is leading multitudes on the highway to hell and we must rescue the perishing and care for the dying because Jesus is merciful and Jesus will save.

eepa:
The problem with Christians is dat if one does not belong to your denomination what ever he say become anti Gospel.St Paul tells us vividly that the church is made of many parts,each one contributing to the common goal of the church,hence he said the leg cannot tell the hand I have no need of you,or the eye tell the mouth I have no need of you.The pope as simply stated that there is no stand alone Christianity.Our God is a community( three persons in one God).and he want his people to live and worship as a community.

This is not a matter of your church for there are no denominations represented in heaven. Repent and believe the gospel truth.

bxcode:
How dumb can you get and still breathe. Religion is a form of worshiping a particular supreme being that was invented by man. Going by that, tell me the man that invented Christianity if not Jesus himself. Quit religion and live bro.
Christianity is not and can never be a religion.

Let's hope they can differentiate between traditional religion and Christianity.

btoks:
please read Isaiah22:15-25 to get a better idea of what Jesus meant by handing the keys to Peter.
Jesus the King was giving Peter authority as Eliakim was given authority by king Hezekiah.

Get to know Jesus Christ who is the OT concealed and the NT revealed.

btoks:
The Greek scholar! you really need to look into how greek uses feminine and masculine words.In any case, Jesus would have said in Araimaic (you are kepha and on this kepha I'll build my church).
Peter is referred to as kephas by Paul.
Please also look into the full context of what Jesus said.

Even if our Lord Jesus was speaking in Aramaic it does not change what I've said because both meanings are expressed by the name Cephas. Jesus was making a distinction between both languages which was then picked up by Matthew in his translations who was under divine inspiration. Again I reiterate that the massive rock foundation on which our Lord Jesus Christ would build His Church was Peter's great confession of Jesus Christ as the Creator and Son of the living God and all who make this confession are laying upon this foundation which is a stumbling block to the religious and foolishness to the skeptics.

Ubenedictus:
you wish to display your ignorance.

The church of Christ subsist in the Catholic Church but that doesn't mean that only "card carrying" Catholics can have a relationship with Jesus.

All who are justified by faith in baptism are Christians and have "communion" with the Church, the catholic church. So yes it is possible for many people who do not identify themselves as Catholics to have a relationship with Jesus.

How does your spin above corroborate with what your church teaches below?

5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation

CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."

OLAADEGBU:
How does your spin above corroborate with what your church teaches below?

5. The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation

CCC 846, "How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."

hahahaha,

did u miss the part of the catechism that says that all who are saved by faith in baptism are Christian and members of the body of Christ?

This is what happens when u study selectively.

Please read article 819, it says
futhermore many elements of sanctification and truth are found outside the visible confines of the catholic church...Christ uses these Churches and communities as means of salvation whose power derive from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ entrusted to the Catholic Church.

people who do not know that Jesus entrust the means of salvation to the Catholic Church but try in their own communities of woship to do what they believe is right may attain salvation.

Learn before you speak.

Ubenedictus:
hahahaha,

did u miss the part of the catechism that says that all who are saved by faith in baptism are Christian and members of the body of Christ?

This is what happens when u study selectively.

Please read article 819, it says
futhermore many elements of sanctification and truth are found outside the visible confines of the catholic church...Christ uses these Churches and communities as means of salvation whose power derive from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ entrusted to the Catholic Church.

people who do not know that Jesus entrust the means of salvation to the Catholic Church but try in their own communities of woship to do what they believe is right may attain salvation.

Learn before you speak.

Yea right, just as your Pope assures atheists that they don't have to believe in God to get to heaven.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-don-t-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

OLAADEGBU:
Get to know Jesus Christ who is the OT concealed and the NT revealed.

How is this a valid response to what I posted and who says I don't know Jesus.
Jesus Christ (king ) was paraphrasing Isaiah22 20▶.what do you think this meant in speaking to Peter?

btoks:
How is this a valid response to what I posted and who says I don't know Jesus.
Jesus Christ (king ) was paraphrasing Isaiah22 20▶.what do you think this meant in speaking to Peter?

Eliakim is a type of Christ, who alone had full authority over the "house of David". Jesus Christ (the real deal) alone has the key of David and He has given believers in Christ, not in Popes, the authority to open and close. Peter represented all the apostles which extends to all believers in Christ.

The first few comments from the first page were made by people who didn't understand that the Pope was coated out of context. Also the title the Op gave this thread is misleading.

OLAADEGBU:
Yea right, just as your Pope assures atheists that they don't have to believe in God to get to heaven.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-don-t-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

the beauty of it.

Catechism of the catholic church 847 and 848 says

those who througgh no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience- they too MAY achieve eternal salvation.

848 although in ways known to himself God can lead those who through no fault of their own are ignorant of the gospel, to that faith without wish it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to envangelise all men.

That is the general teaching on the possibility of salvation for those who are unknowly ignorant on the gospel. Maybe that will inform you on what exactly the pope said and prevent you from misrepresenting his views.

On atheism proper them I suggest you read paragraph 2123 to 2126 on the catechism.

OLAADEGBU:
The RCC is leading multitudes on the highway to hell and we must rescue the perishing and care for the dying because Jesus is merciful and Jesus will save.

lol!

Really?

That means Christianity itselff lead people to hell. Mariology is part and pacel of Christianity.

OLAADEGBU:
Eliakim is a type of Christ, who alone had full authority over the "house of David". Jesus Christ (the real deal) alone has the key of David and He has given believers in Christ, not in Popes, the authority to open and close. Peter represented all the apostles which extends to all believers in Christ.

Eliakim is not a type of Christ, Eliakim was a prime minister of the davidic kingdom, Jesus is the King of the davidic house. Eliakim is not a type of Christ that shows you don't even understand scriptures.

In the davidic Kingdom the King is the owner of the kingdom, but he always gives the keys of the Kingdom to his prime minister. The person given the keys of the Kingdom is the prime minister.

So think again.


Jesus who was prophesied as the King of the kingdom gave the keys of the kingdom to Peter. That is simple! He made peter his prime minister!

Peter and his successors are the who were given the keys of the kingdom.

This is simple teaching, it will be funny if you are unable to understand this.

OLAADEGBU:
Even if our Lord Jesus was speaking in Aramaic it does not change what I've said because both meanings are expressed by the name Cephas. Jesus was making a distinction between both languages which was then picked up by Matthew in his translations who was under divine inspiration. Again I reiterate that the massive rock foundation on which our Lord Jesus Christ would build His Church was Peter's great confession of Jesus Christ as the Creator and Son of the living God and all who make this confession are laying upon this foundation which is a stumbling block to the religious and foolishness to the skeptics.

hahaha

Jesus spoke aramic not greek he said Cephas, that doesn't have two meaning, it means Jesus called Peter the rock, Cephas! Even the apostle paul repeated the same name when talking about peter he said "cephas".

The difference in greek is because the greek has masculine and feminine.

OLAADEGBU:
Let's talk about what you know. Do people have to join your Christ Embassy before they can have a personal relationship with Christ? and I don't mean Chris.

mtcheew

OLAADEGBU:
Haven't you elevated Mary to a deity?

I now understand your problem..You are here to write rubbish about the Catholic Church and thereby fabricating false headline to mislead people against the real message from the Pope. If you have issue with the Catholic doctrine, Save that to your fake and affluent pastors who only see church as a means of exploitoing the poor masses by competing with private jets and building profit making universities. HAIL HOLY QUEEN, MOTHER MARY,PRAY FOR US WHO HAVE RECOURSE IN YOU!!!

OLAADEGBU:
This is not a matter of your church for there are no denominations represented in heaven. Repent and believe the gospel truth.

Even though I will rather not want to argue with you on a public portal.You did not react to my comment.You have diverted your comments from your post. Christianity is summarised in scriptures as knowing,loving and serving God(the holy trinity).Knoledge of God constituents in recognising the person of christ. I will like to remind you of the encounter between Jesus and two disciple on the way to Emmaus in Lk 24:13-35.Christ opened up the scriptures to them yet they did not recognise him,they only recognised him in the breaking of bread. Christ showed us you can't come to the complete knowledge of Jesus through the scripture alone,but in the breaking of bread( Communion).

OLAADEGBU:
The RCC is leading multitudes on the highway to hell and we must rescue the perishing and care for the dying because Jesus is merciful and Jesus will save.

My question to u is who are you to cast judgment, are u God?

What is the proof dat u urself will make heaven?

Also what is the proof u are not led astray to fighting against God?

And lastly leave us Catholics alone, we like who we are?

eepa:
Even though I will rather not want to argue with you on a public portal.You did not react to my comment.You have diverted your comments from your post. Christianity is summarised in scriptures as knowing,loving and serving God(the holy trinity).Knoledge of God constituents in recognising the person of christ. I will like to remind you of the encounter between Jesus and two disciple on the way to Emmaus in Lk 24:13-35.Christ opened up the scriptures to them yet they did not recognise him,they only recognised him in the breaking of bread. Christ showed us you can't come to the complete knowledge of Jesus through the scripture alone,but in the breaking of bread( Communion).

Don't mind him ooo, dey keep bombarding the church and d painful part is they start trying to be like the church, confused set of people.

What prompted u protestants to start communion service?
What prompted u to change day of worship to sunday?
What prompted u to ordain bishops?

Pls answer my questions

OLAADEGBU now I see u are a confused person and u knw nothing about the scriptures.I took my time to read d pope's msg and d comments of everyone from page 1-5,u were busy running away from question and misinterpreting d scriptures even wen scriptures dat kids can understand u still misinterprete it.smh

pls stop use links of confused Pple like u to buttress a point use the scriptures. base on ur points u are a total failure and a liar.even jozzy4 can't bear ur lies and he called u a liar.

And to italo,ubenedictus and other dat educated d OP I hail u guys

Fearcom:
The first few comments from the first page were made by people who didn't understand that the Pope was coated out of context. Also the title the Op gave this thread is misleading.

Really?

Ubenedictus:
the beauty of it.

Catechism of the catholic church 847 and 848 says

those who througgh no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience- they too MAY achieve eternal salvation.

848 although in ways known to himself God can lead those who through no fault of their own are ignorant of the gospel, to that faith without wish it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to envangelise all men.

That is the general teaching on the possibility of salvation for those who are unknowly ignorant on the gospel. Maybe that will inform you on what exactly the pope said and prevent you from misrepresenting his views.

On atheism proper them I suggest you read paragraph 2123 to 2126 on the catechism.

If one through their own action can do God's Will then what's the point of having faith in the gospel truth?

Ubenedictus:
lol!

Really?

That means Christianity itselff lead people to hell. Mariology is part and pacel of Christianity.

Mariology is not Christianity but paganism.

OLAADEGBU:
Mariology is not Christianity but paganism.

SO SAYS D PROTESTANT whose sect began in d 19th century.

OLAADEGBU:
If one through their own action can do God's Will then what's the point of having faith in the gospel truth?

U think those without faith cannot do any good thing?

Ubenedictus:
U think those without faith cannot do any good thing?

Whatever good they do will not be good enough to make heaven.