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fedex01:
Sister (presuming your a lady), you aren't getting my point somehow.

christianity is no way near more popular than Islam. We are NOT counting "nominal" numbers. For example, in America (where I live btw right now), the majority of "christians" are not christ followers. They don't even believe in Christ. For them, since their parents were christians--they get 'registered' as christians. These "christians" don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons.

What You fail to understand is that your islamic countries are not more holy or even more religious than the West.

Do you think that muslims in Saudi Arabia and the middle east are all holy? The only thing holding them back is the laws and ostracization they get from being apostates or doing something deemed unislamic.

In the UK, we see muslims from middle eastern origin drinking and eating pork. Do you think that people love religious laws?

Do you think that muslims in islamic countries dont have abortions, dont steal etc?


How many middle eastern princes have been caught fornicating, doing drugs and partying like mad men?


Come off your islamic high horse

fedex01:
And sorry, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't poor countries lol. They are technologically far ahead to Nigeria and are much, much more modern and developed than sub Saharan Africa. Islamic Middle-East (GCC) are one of the richest and most developed places on entire Earth!

Nigeria is not a poor country either. The funds are just mismanaged

That being said, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have useless economies. You are just looking at the oil money they use to build fancy roads and structures.

These countries rank nowhere in the top ten developed countries in the world. They manufacture little and their service industry is lacking.

Annunaki:
Olodo kontinu deluding your self, I will invite you to my thread on how muslims are converting to christianity and being persecuted in northern nigeria at the same time.

Abeg, ask that guy why most of the christians from the north and middle belt have islamic surnames if not that we converted from islam. Xtianity first came to the Igala kingdom (my tribe) in the early 1920's but today they are arguably more xtians than Muslims. Meanwhile we were all practising islam and animism before the white man even came. why do we in the middlebelt have islamic surnames yet we are xtians? Secondly, the northerners were all practising islam before the whites came, but today they have large numbers of xtians. how come?

JackBizzle:
What You fail to understand is that your islamic countries are not more holy or even more religious than the West.

Do you think that muslims in Saudi Arabia and the middle east are all holy? The only thing holding them back is the laws and ostracization they get from being apostates or doing something deemed unislamic.

In the UK, we see muslims from middle eastern origin drinking and eating pork. Do you think that people love religious laws?

Do you think that muslims in islamic countries dont have abortions, dont steal etc?


How many middle eastern princes have been caught fornicating, doing drugs and partying like mad men?


Come off your islamic high horse

Lol, characterization of facts wouldn't prove your point.

I never stated nor do I believe that *all* Muslims are holy. That'll be weird since it is impossible.

However, what I'm comparing is *relatively* Islam enjoy much, much more global influence as compared to Christianity. And hence Islam has been the most influential and powerful religion of history (and will remain as such because I see no religion challenging it in future and no religion can arise in future age due to scientific advance).

That is a simple fact. Premarital sex happens everywhere..but relatively, it happens much, much less amongst Muslims than Christians globally. That's a fact proven by data-based research. Again, *relatively* Islam is practiced by way more people than christianity is practiced by christians--it doesn't mean that ALL muslims practice Islam--I'm just talking about in terms of relativity.

You have not countered any of my posts on previous pages regarding how christianity is a dead thing of past while Islam is thriving. It shows that even YOU know what I'm saying is right.

Again, don't come back and say "But lots of Muslims also do balh blah"...I know. I'm talking about in relative terms. For example, 80% to 90% of 'christian' (lol) girls in U.S.A have sex with multiple guys before marriage. Whereas, only 5% to 10% of Muslim girls have the same in Pakistan--You see, in relative terms, Islam is being much, much more influence in shaping people's lives than christianity ever has. That's my point.

You can't shy away from reality.

parisbookaddict:
[s]its not news that the west is turning away from God.
but this trend is peculiar to europe...its not happening in the US, the USA has a region called the bible belt where you have right wing christian conservatives that believe in their bible and their guns.. The USA is full of its sins and immorality but 78 percent or so are Christians, most islamic countries are 99 percent muslim yet they are full of their immorality eg pedophilia, child marriage, rapes, suicide bombers, stonings and their love for pornography
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/15/why_porn_is_exploding_in_the_middle_east_partner/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/823696/pakistan-tops-list-of-most-porn-searching-countries-google/


Europeans are increasingly secular and alot of churches are closing down(its been going on for decades), muslims are trooping in to europe in record numbers and that is their punishment. if they fail to bow to the God above(Christ) they will bow to the one below(Allah)..

Go to france, UK, denmark, germany and see the havoc Muslims are causing. following commands like ;
Q2:216
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not"





really..? so islam is influential because islam countries like pakistan have nuclear weapons.. i guess u have a point.. the pedophile prophet of islam always encouraged fighting, jihad and murder.

Quran 8:12
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.
Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Qur'an (3:28)-"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."




Actually most of the western world is founded on christian principles BUT Christianity is not interested in politics that is why there is a separation of church and state in all the western countries.

In john 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm."

christians are not interested in forming christian countries because Christ makes it clear his kingdom is greater than this.

islam on the other hand is a pseudo-religious totalitarian Fascist political cult and that is why there are over 50 Islamic republics which are mostly terrible places to live eg Afghanistan, iraq, somalia, yemen, saudi arabia, syria, Libya, tunisa , egypt, turkey etc which experience suicide bombing almost on a weekly basis.



really, and yet muslim refugees run away from gulf states and other islamic states and head to Europe where they can get away from the madness that is the muslim dominated middle east... by the way what do u mean by global influence, do you mean the government of saudi Arabia who kisses america's butt and obeys it like a trained animal..




wow u are very bad in maths arent you?

islam has approximately 1.5billion followers and not 2billion and it was founded in 1400AD, 600 years after Christ,

christians are slightly over 2billion, catholic christians alone are 1.2billion, and was founded 2000 years ago..

islam has managed to grow relatively fast becasue of
1. muslims kill apostates their are millions of muslims who pretend to be muslims until they can escape the middle east.
2. muslims kill christian evangelistis in th e middle east, it has done so for 1400 years
3. muslims perform forced conversion of people
4. mulsims do not allow fredom of religion
5. muslims practise polygamy and bigamy
6. many middle east islamic countries have a rape culture and have rape gangs
7. muslims perform lesser jihad (physical jihad) which calls for the murder of "infidels" until they convert to islam, or pay jizyah
8. the exorbitant jizyah tax on non-muslims

the reasons why islam should be the largest religion is numerous but alas it is not, darkness can never subdue light..
The only people Muslims love killing more than Christians is other muslims, muslims have killed themselves for 1400 years and help to drastically reduce their population.. till this day the pkk kurds, ISIS, salafi sunni extremists , hezbolla, the taliban, BH, the saudi and iran governments etc are killing muslims more than any US war can.

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JackBizzle:
Nigeria is not a poor country either. The funds are just mismanaged

That being said, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have useless economies. You are just looking at the oil money they use to build fancy roads and structures.

These countries rank nowhere in the top ten developed countries in the world. They manufacture little and their service industry is lacking.

Lets not get carried away.

Saudi Arabia has one of the highest HDI in the world. They ARE developed. And did you really say that somehow Iranian and Pakistanis are similar to Nigerians? No disrespect but this is laughable.

Iranians have thrown their own satellites into space by using their own SLVs (one of the most advance technological machines ever built). Iranians make their own cars and have made their own missiles that can hit targets thousands of miles away.

Pakistanis have designed nuclear reactors and have developed miniaturized nuclear weapons. Do you know the magnitude required to build a miniaturized nuclear-reaction device? Only 6,7 countries have ever been able to do it in ENTIRE history!!!! And you say Pakistani economy is on same technological level as Nigerian economy? Please, don't embrace yourself.

That's like saying "Mexican economy is same as U.S economy" lols.

Btw, Pakistan has no oil. Yet they build their own fighter jets, tanks, construct french submarines in their docks, have their own missiles systems, and have one of the most advance agricultural system in the world.

fedex01:
Lets not get carried away.

Saudi Arabia has one of the highest HDI in the world. They ARE developed. And did you really say that somehow Iranian and Pakistanis are similar to Nigerians? No disrespect but this is laughable.

Iranians have thrown their own satellites into space by using their own SLVs (one of the most advance technological machines ever built). Iranians make their own cars and have made their own missiles that can hit targets thousands of miles away.

Pakistanis have designed nuclear reactors and have developed miniaturized nuclear weapons. Do you know the magnitude required to build a miniaturized nuclear-reaction device? Only 6,7 countries have ever been able to do it in ENTIRE history!!!! And you say Pakistani economy is on same technological level as Nigerian economy? Please, don't embrace yourself.

That's like saying "Mexican economy is same as U.S economy" lols.

Btw, Pakistan has no oil. Yet they build their own fighter jets, tanks, construct french submarines in their docks, have their own missiles systems, and have one of the most advance agricultural system in the world.

These countries you mention are the worst countries to ever emulate when it comes to economic policies. Pakistan is suffering from inequality and poverty but yet, the build nuclear weapons (albeit with the help of non-muslim foreigners' technology). 60% of the Pakistani ppopulation live under 2 dollars a day.


Sir. Just take a look at the top 20 developed countries in the world. None of them are islamic in any sense.







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Top 20 developed countries in the world

Country HDI
2015 estimates for 2014

1 Norway
2 Australia
3 Switzerland
4 Denmark
5 Netherlands
6 Germany
6 Ireland
8 United States
9 Canada
9 New Zealand
11 Singapore
12 Hong Kong
13 Liechtenstein
14 Sweden
14 United Kingdom
16 Iceland
17 South Korea
18 Israel
19 Luxembourg
20 Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2015_report

fedex01:
Lol, characterization of facts wouldn't prove your point.

I never stated nor do I believe that *all* Muslims are holy. That'll be weird since it is impossible.

However, what I'm comparing is *relatively* Islam enjoy much, much more global influence as compared to Christianity. And hence Islam has been the most influential and powerful religion of history (and will remain as such because I see no religion challenging it in future and no religion can arise in future age due to scientific advance).

That is a simple fact. Premarital sex happens everywhere..but relatively, it happens much, much less amongst Muslims than Christians globally. That's a fact proven by data-based research. Again, *relatively* Islam is practiced by way more people than christianity is practiced by christians--it doesn't mean that ALL muslims practice Islam--I'm just talking about in terms of relativity.

You have not countered any of my posts on previous pages regarding how christianity is a dead thing of past while Islam is thriving. It shows that even YOU know what I'm saying is right.

Again, don't come back and say "But lots of Muslims also do balh blah"...I know. I'm talking about in relative terms. For example, 80% to 90% of 'christian' (lol) girls in U.S.A have sex with multiple guys before marriage. Whereas, only 5% to 10% of Muslim girls have the same in Pakistan--You see, in relative terms, Islam is being much, much more influence in shaping people's lives than christianity ever has. That's my point.

You can't shy away from reality.

You seem to not understand that Islam and Christianity have the same enemy- SECULARISM/ATHEISM.

People are leaving religion to be irreligious. Most christians in the west would rather convert to atheism or buddhism before even thinking of islam.


Christianity might not have the influence it once had but it is far more powerful than Islam. Churches wield far more riches and influence than most islamic clerics.

JackBizzle:
These countries you mention are the worst countries to ever emulate when it comes to economic policies. Pakistan is suffering from inequality and poverty but yet, the build nuclear weapons (albeit with the help of non-muslim foreigners' technology). 60% of the Pakistani ppopulation live under 2 dollars a day.


Sir. Just take a look at the top 20 developed countries in the world. None of them are islamic in any sense.







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Top 20 developed countries in the world

Country HDI
2015 estimates for 2014

1 Norway
2 Australia
3 Switzerland
4 Denmark
5 Netherlands
6 Germany
6 Ireland
8 United States
9 Canada
9 New Zealand
11 Singapore
12 Hong Kong
13 Liechtenstein
14 Sweden
14 United Kingdom
16 Iceland
17 South Korea
18 Israel
19 Luxembourg
20 Japan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2015_report

Fedex01 despite all your al taquiya, not even one islamic country is included in the top 20 countries by HDI neither do you have any islamic country in the G20 club of nations. It all goes to show that islam is the curse holding these nations back. What exactly does allaah do for his worshippers sef Cause all the evidence before me proves it's a very useless god.

[quote author=parisbookaddict post=41983363]my dear i will ve to disagree with u on this one, i think demmyz15 is right.. Muslims are growing more than Christians.. But if u remove the fatwa of death on apostasy.. The intolerance of Islam... U will findout that Islam and its population won't be more than that of guru maharaji member.
I bet he dosent know among that among those billion of Muslims, are growing numbers of silent Christians, atheist, and others..

In few years time, Islam will soon find out that 'i am more in population' is a hoax of propaganda.

Blackfire:
my dear i will ve to disagree with u on this one, i think demmyz15 is right.. Muslims are growing more than Christians.. But if u remove the fatwa of death on apostasy.. The intolerance of Islam... U will findout that Islam and its population won't be more than that of guru maharaji member.
I bet he dosent know among that among those billion of Muslims, are growing numbers of silent Christians, atheist, and others..

The two bolded statements contradict each other. But fact is islam is dying a slow and painful death. It's only a matter of time an awakening happens in the islamic world and people will start renouncing islam enmasse.

Annunaki:
The two bolded statements contradict each other. But fact is islam is dying a slow and painful death. It's only a matter of time an awakening happens in the islamic world and people will start renouncing islam enmasse.

my statement are mixed with satire, irony, ....
That is why i said when Muslim say 'our population is more' is a hoax of propaganda ... That will burst in few years.

JackBizzle:
You seem to not understand that Islam and Christianity have the same enemy- SECULARISM/ATHEISM.

I know.

And christianity got destroyed by atheism and secularism globally while Islam, although taken dents, have done much, much better in comparison to christianity. That's just facts.

Christianity might not have the influence it once had but it is far more powerful than Islam. Churches wield far more riches and influence than most islamic clerics.

How? lols.

You see, when I write, I make arguments--based on facts and reasoning. You just state one liners without any evidence. There's not a single country based on christianity. Majority of people in Western world are completely secular and don't care about christianity. Christianity doesn't dictate any policies in many nations. As I said, people in West and Latin Americas generally don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons and you say christianity is powerful? lols.

Majority of kids born in America are born out-of-wedlock? Yes, majority of kids in a country of 300 million!! In American media, making fun of christianity is normal. christianity is banned from public schools and life. Nobody likes to identify with it openly. In essence, nobody really cares for it (or for god). Yeah, really powerful christianity that is being humiliated everywhere lols.

Islam dwarfs christianity in terms of global influence and power.

"West" is more powerful than Islamic world, but west isn't "christianity" anymore. They are secular irreligious people.

Annunaki:
Fedex01 despite all your al taquiya, not even one islamic country is included in the top 20 countries by HDI neither do you have any islamic country in the G20 club of nations. It all goes to show that islam is the curse holding these nations back. What exactly does allaah do for his worshippers sef Cause all the evidence before me proves it's a very useless god.

Lol, illiterate person like you keep making a joke out of yourself.

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are in G20.

Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries with Islamic doctrines as the basis of their constitution.

While Turkey is a secular nation but has Islam at its center and has an Islamic party ruling over it.

Whereas, G20 doesn't have any christian countries. All the countries are atheistic/secular countries and christianity isn't given any respect in the public life in these countries--even if majority of population of these countries are registered as 'christians'...

fedex01:
Lol, illiterate person like you keep making a joke out of yourself.

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are in G20.

Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries with Islamic doctrines as the basis of their constitution.

While Turkey is a secular nation but has Islam at its center and has an Islamic party ruling over it.

Whereas, G20 doesn't have any christian countries. All the countries are atheistic/secular countries and christianity isn't given any respect in the public life in these countries--even if majority of population of these countries are registered as 'christians'...

What you muslims fail to realise is that christianity is not a political religion cause our kingdom is not of this world. We have separation of church and state. Unlike islam christianity does not seek to impose itself on people. However it is an undeniable fact that the most developed countries in the world are all christian majority countries.

Annunaki:
What you muslims fail to realise is that christianity is not a political religion cause our kingdom is not of this world. We have separation of church and state. Unlike islam christianity does not seek to impose itself on people. However it is an undeniable fact that the most developed countries in the world are all christian majority countries.

Stop trying to deny facts in face of reality.

The reason christianity isn't found at the core of any nation is because christianity was destroyed by secularism and materialism. No one even sh!t on christianity. People have more value for toilet paper than bible here in the U.S and West. Ok, so if there are "christians" in these western nations--then why is premarital sex legal and part of culture? why is it accepted by parents? Why are drugs openly allowed and used when they are banned by bible? Why is gay marriage legal? Why women wear bikinis and other revealing clothes almost all of the times--especially in summer/spring. You know why? Because these people don't give a sh!t about christianity and they have left that mythological rubbish all together. Christianity has no influence or role in public life. Only place where christianity has some respect is sub saharan africa..that's all. lolol

While Islam is thriving globally and whereever it exists, it plays a central role in the culture and civilizations of that people. Islam, as I've described factually in above posts, is the most influential and most powerful religious force of humanity. Christianity is a joke compared to the gigantic Islam and Islamic civilization.

Don't talk about "Oh separation of church and state is christian" blah blah. Separation is the result of westerners throwing christianity out of public life..lolol...before that, christianity was basis of empires in Western world because christianity used to be taken seriously by west back then. But those were the dark ages and then west realized how pathetic and backward christianity was and threw it away into the garbage. That's how separation became.

Secularism exists in Turkey also...but how come Turkey is still so Muslim? yeah, because unlike failed and destroyed christianity, Islam is a successful and powerful religion. Even under secularism, Islam is THRIVING in Turkey with Islamic social conservative party AKP sweeping elections, Hijab being practiced by Turkish women freely, premarital sex being "unacceptable" to society's values, and Islam shaping much of Turkish culture where vast majority of population observes hardcore religious festival such as Ramadan which requires complete dedication of believers (No food and water for most of the day for 30 days! You can't get more dedicated than that! Turks practice Ramadan every year...while majority of western christians don't even touch bible or go to church even to christmas lol).

Sorry buddy, your excuses won't work. I live in the West. I know what i'm talking about. Christianity is a dead, destroyed, and completely forgotten thing in majority of the world except sub saharan africa. While Islam is thriving literally EVERYWHERE mashallah--even in the Western World where more and more mosques are being opened and Islamic culture is visible now.

What you fail to realise is that unlike islam christianity is not a tyrannical religion that imposes itself on people and uses the state to manipulate the citizenry to submission. If you like kontinu to conjure up data and forming daft opinions to delude yourself that islam is growing whilst infact it's in rapid decline. Based on a large number of atheist ex muslims in online forums, an online survey was recently carried out and it was discovered that at least 5% of saudi citizens were secretly atheist and another 10% were closet christians and the trend is true for other muslim countries that claim to be close to 100% muslim. In reality islam is rapid decline and the increased islamic terrorism today is the last throes of a dying animal.

You say christianity is dead yet after 1,400 years of brutal islam, evil jihads and forceful conversions, islam is still far behind christianity in terms of absolute numbers, global spread and appeal. Christianity also remains the fastest growing religion in the world charging ahead with the world's most populated country(china) converting to christianity at an alarming rate. As I said earlier kontinu to delude yourself if it makes you sleep well at night.

parisbookaddict:
i will reply that comment shortly but let me comment on your post..

OK, let's see the nonsense above.

firstly, who says islam is going anywhere,

You and your cohorts said it, remember you people claimed 6 million Muslims convert every year to Christianity(lol ) or you want to deny it?

it has 1.5 billion followers, since muslim men keep marrying 4wivies, reproducing like lower animals and raping non-muslims in the middle east and asia and

Why are you pained by the mortality rate of Muslims, if it's hurting your heart why don't you tell Christians to give birth more. Last time I checked, the Bible didn't restrict the number of children or did it?

Prove the underlined that Muslims give birth to their young by raping non-Muslims, remember that Christians and it's leaders are known for high rape and konji!

now germany, its going to ensure that the muslim population will remain and possibly grow for years to come.. it also means that more people will come out of islam and expose the cult to future generations people like;Ali sina, Ms Hiris ali, sam rushdie, sam shamoon, dr nabeel, son of hamas, the growing number of anti islam Bangladeshi bloggers(you muslims killed 5 last year by the way).. are already criticizing Islam,,

Looks like you don't learn from history, France for example allowed Muslims from its former colony and today they're overwhelming converting the French. Remember that France has the highest number of Muslims in Europe, look at England. Better remove the wax from your eyes and embrace the bitter truth.

lol.. Isreal is the medicine middleeast muslims need. thanks to israel, there is something good in the middle east and Christians can go to without fear of harassment

Israel is the most dangerous place for Jews, Muslims and Christians. When you speak the truth you're persecuted and a black woman who's a Christian like you won't even stand a chance. Remember Ethiopian Jews are also discriminated there, so a Nigerian like you no get hope. Keep deluding yourself. [/font]

do u know why nobody cares about Palestine,, let me educate you on a little history..

Oya!!!

1.Jordan once helped Palestinians, housed and fed them and do u know how they thanked the Jordanian king; they tried to assassinate him and take over the country and he expelled them after he survived the assassination organized by the PLO.

Wrong!!! Jordan continues and still helps the Palestinians, what lead to Jordan losing control of the Palestinians was because they were defeated by Israel and allies in 1967. Jordan lost the west bank to Israel, King Hussein of Jordan fought against the Palestinian group of communists not the people. Get your facts right.

2.Egypt tried to help Palestinians and made peace with Israel to show they are ready to move past religious differences guess what, you muslims assassinated the president, one of the few muslim nobel peace prize recipient Anwar Sadat , the 3rd president of israel.

Anwar Sadat obeyed the scholars of Islam who encouraged that Muslims needed to make peace because they can't win the war, Muslims are disunited and victory can't come until there's unity. That time is coming I hope you're alive to witness it!

Anwar Sadat was killed by Egyptian Extremists not Palestinians, get that into their flat head.

3.Syria accepted Palestinians (who are mostly sunni muslims)and refused to make peace with israel and guess what, Syria is a failed country.. sunni muslims revolted and tried to topple the government of his son president al saad.

See how you're mixing up things, all Palestinians were admitted into the Yarmouk Refugee camp near Damascus. In fact they didn't have anything to do with the Syrian war until the government and ISIS wanted to take the camp over. The Palestinians had to defend themselves from the wicked government forces and ISIS.

it seems every where the Palestinians go they cause problems for the countries.. dont you agree.

I don't agree because all you stated above had nothing to do with the Palestinians!

however israel is a blessing to countries that accept them because of their intelligence and inventiveness.

Jews or Israel, there's a difference. I know of many Jews who are intelligent and reject Israel, girl, you need to know the differences.

let me explain

Since the Nobel prize was first awarded in 1901 approximately 193 of the 855 honorees have been Jewish (22% of all winners). Jews make up less than 0.2% of the global population that is 17million of the worlds 6billion people. that's right, one fifth of one percent.

Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% of medicine, 26% of Physics, 19% of Chemistry, 13% of Literature and 9% of all peace awards. Maybe that is what God meant by chosen people.

65.4 % of Nobel Prizes Laureates, have identified with Christianity Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, i wonder why? Maybe it has something to do with the instruction from Christ which says love thy neighbour...

Firstly, the above assertion has nothing to do with the state of Israel because not all Jews are in support of Israel, hope you'll agree with me on this? Concerning Christians winning noble peace prize, give me proves.

Secondly, I don't care about Nobel prize because it's bullshit, imagine a Malala who's just 17years winning peace prize? Does it make any sense to you, she was shot by the taliban when she was 12 years and then won peace prize at the age of 17?! Read more here: http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/23-10-2014/128882-nobel_peace_prize-0/

Also Bare in mind when compared with the numbers for jews and adjusted for laureate per religious affiliation, christains still have a lot to do to come close to the Jews.

Stop hyping yourself girl, Una no sabi anything. Muslims have accomplished far more than Christianity, stop giving yourself hope. I don't care about Nobel prize, now cut the crop.

[s]Now let's look at the muslims,
Islam is the second largest religion in the world, with 1.5 billion Muslims and at least 10 percent of that number are blood thirsty devout Muslim jihadists according to several estimates. so far Muslims have produced only 11 Nobel Prize winners... 7 for peace.. This leaves 4 for contribution to human knowledge compare that to almost 200 by Jews. this is so tiny a number that it is almost unbelievable. .the latest Muslim was malala who won the Nobel peace prize after getting shot in the head by a devout Muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/List_of_Muslim_Nobel_laureates[/s]

There are millions of israeli christians, Arab christians, Ethiopian christians of jewish heritage and jewish Christians LIVING in ISRAEL. apparently u dont know this.

In fact Muslims leave in Israel, Nazareth(Alhamdullahi now a Muslim majority city) is the considered the Arab capital of Israel, so what?!

but that is not the reason i support israel.. here let me tell you

OK I'm all ears.

[b]1. ISRAEL is the only country in the middle east where the christian population is NOT goin extinct. .

Before I expose this lie, tell me what's the population of Christians in Egypt, Lebanon, Pakistan compared to Israel? Please I require an answer!

2. Virtually all islamic countries persecute christians in one way or the other eg..Malaysia burns christian bibles on a regular basis, banned arab christians from using the arabic name for God. closes down churches,

Yawns, the restrictions of using Allah by Christians in Malaysia has been overturned. Christians are allowed to use Allah, but not "Allah Taala". Know the difference and only 2 churches got burnt by zealots, not by the State.

iran, saudi, Pakistan, afgan etc have christians regularly imprisoned or murdered for preaching to muslims or gathering for prayers without permission etc

Many Iranians are converting to Sunni Islam, Christianity and more secular. I don't know where you get your nonsense from. Saudi Arabia doesn't allow Christianity and I've explained severally, Pakistani Christians are attacked by zealots and terrorists, if indeed Muslims attacks Christians they would have long been extinct

I'll continue later!

fedex01:
Lol, illiterate person like you keep making a joke out of yourself.

Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey are in G20.

Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries with Islamic doctrines as the basis of their constitution.

While Turkey is a secular nation but has Islam at its center and has an Islamic party ruling over it.

Whereas, G20 doesn't have any christian countries. All the countries are atheistic/secular countries and christianity isn't given any respect in the public life in these countries--even if majority of population of these countries are registered as 'christians'...

tell him o
the same Pakistan's economy he's talking of is being run according to the western system.

tartar9:
tell him o
the same Pakistan's economy he's talking of is being run according to the western system.

There's no "western system", genius.

Its called Free-market economics and free-market originally arose out of Islamic World in the time of Abbasid Era. If anything, entire world's economy is now based on what originally was developed by Islamic Civilization.

Here's famous anthropologist and economic historian, Benedikt Koehler, taking about how capitalism arose from early Islamic Civilization--which was the first-ever global civilization ever established by mankind (the second one was West).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sav7V4S2q0M

Annunaki:
You say christianity is dead yet after 1,400 years of brutal islam, evil jihads and forceful conversions, islam is still far behind christianity in terms of absolute numbers, global spread and appeal. Christianity also remains the fastest growing religion in the world charging ahead with the world's most populated country(china) converting to christianity at an alarming rate. As I said earlier kontinu to delude yourself if it makes you sleep well at night.

lol, christianity had a head start of 600 years over Islam and yet with all the colonialism and exploitation, it still got rejected by majority of the world. Hell, even the very base of historical christianity (Europe) has rejected it and moved on with secularism and atheism.

Islam gained ~1.8 billion followers in less than 1450 years..Christianity took 2000+ years to do the same. Islam has been the most powerful and successful religion of history. No religion even comes close in terms of success, influence, and global spread in such short time (1435 years to be exact). Christianity couldn't even make it outside Europe in 1435 years lol..

And no, there aren't "more" christians in the world. As I have explained earlier as well..

[b]Nowhere in the world christianity has any influence left. It is a dead, humiliated, defeated thing everywhere. There's no countries based on christianity. No societies with christianity at their center. Christianity's only taken seriously in sub saharan africa but even they don't live a fully christian life and even sub saharan african countries have not based their constitutions on christianity.

While Islam is thriving globally wherever it exists. There are tens of nations that have Islam as the basis of their constitutions. Even in secular countries like Turkey--Islam is at the center of society and thriving. Even in Western World--Muslims are thriving, hijabs are common, halal food is everywhere, and thousands of new mosques build over the years.

Islam, as a religious force, is successful Mashallah--while christianity is a failure.

Sex before marriage, drugs, births out of wedlock, hedonism, gay marriage, divorce, mainstreaming of abortion, living without marriage, and non-traditional family are MAINSTREAM culture of "christians" in Latin America, U.S and rest of Europe. Toilet paper has more relevance to Westerners than "bible" and "christian" values. That's a fact. Even you know it, don't you?


Majority of those who you call "christians" in Latin America, U.S, and Europe are completely secular and irreligious people and they don't care at all about christianity. For them, even holidays like Christmas as CULTURAL holidays and NOT "religious" holidays. That's especially true for younger generation.[/b]

Whereas, as I stated, Islam is far more successful and influential than christianity on global scale. Even countries like Pakistan--which are powerful, nuclear-armed states with one of the most powerful militaries of the world-- are based on Islam and are Islamic republics as stated in their constitution.

Name any one powerful state based on christianity and bible? lols.

You see, Islam has already surpassed christianity in terms of "actual" practicing followers and global influence. The nominal numbers don't mean much.

We are NOT counting "nominal" numbers. For example, in America (where I live btw right now), the majority of "christians" are not christ followers. They don't even believe in Christ or take Bible as word of god. For them, since their parents were christians--they get 'registered' as christians. These "christians" don't read or care about bible..and they drink, do drugs, sex before marriage is normal, don't pray, don't believe in God, and even celebrate Christmas as a "cultural" holiday. Yet these irrelegious/non-believing people get registered as 'christians' because of their parents' registration with local churches and due to cultural reasons.

Majority of millennials in the U.S see Christmas as a cultural holiday and not as a religious holiday (since they don't care about christian religion to begin with)

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/many-millennials-see-christmas-as-more-cultural-than-religious-holiday/

It becomes quite clear than these people aren't christians when we look take a further look at actual data.

For example, did you know that majority of kids born in America are[b] born out-of-wedlock?[/b]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103235/Most-children-U-S-born-wedlock.html

Yes, majority of kids in a country of 300 million!! You think christianity exists even remotely as a central pillar of American culture? LOL! Nobody even sh!t on bible here. Imagine a "christian" culture producing majority of kids without even marrying..lol! In American media, making fun of christianity is normal. christianity is banned from public schools and life. Nobody likes to identify with it openly. In essence, nobody really cares for it (or for god). And that's the largest and "most christian" nation of the Western World. Other Western nations have destroyed christianity amongst themselves EVER FURTHER

It is becoming kinda boring now how I have been consistently humiliating you with evidence, proofs, arguments, and data--while you shiver in your embarrassment and squeal like a puppy "but but christianity is good, Islam is bad *tears in eyes"...hahaaha!!!

Sorry buddy, christianity is a joke compared to the most influential and powerful religion on Earth--Islam! Mashallah! Nobody takes christianity seriously outside of sub saharan Africa--while Islam enjoys massive influence and support on GLOBAL LEVEL everywhere--in Africa, Asia, Middle-East, Europe, and even in United States (where Muslims are more practicing than the rest of population according to Pew and Gallop polls. I can share them too if you want )

Christians should stop hating Islam and understand their own shortcomings.

Annunaki ran away after I destroyed him through arguments and reasoning. Funny. That's what usually happens when I dismantle christians filled with hatred rather than open to discussion

fedex01:
Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Islamic countries with Islamic doctrines as the basis of their constitution.

err nope
indonesian constitution based on Dutch Colonial Law, only Aceh province use Sharia Law, and it is part of peace treaty between Aceh rebel and government

I'm Indonesian Christian, by the way

raimuasu:
err nope
indonesian constitution based on Dutch Colonial Law, only Aceh province use Sharia Law, and it is part of peace treaty between Aceh rebel and government

I'm Indonesian Christian, by the way

The founding principles of Indonesian state include "Believe in one and only one God" as a fundamental principal and philosophy of the modern Indonesian state.

This core philosophy upon which Indonesia is based comes directly from Qur'an/Islam and it is the fundamental Islamic belief (Tawhid) as you most likely know already. Indonesia isn't an atheistic state like say Norway or other western nations. Indonesia was founded as a state where religion (Islam) was to be nurtured and respected. Offcourse there's huge Christian minority as well and they are allowed to practice their faith but Islam holds all the cultural and political power in majority of the nation. Islamic parties are cornerstone of the government. Indonesian government even arranges and subsidizes Hajj pilgrimage for Muslims with public money.

Islam plays a central and preeminent role in Indonesian society and culture unlike christianity's diminished role and humiliated state in Western World and even Latin American countries. Overwhelming majority of Indonesians are practicing Muslims, millions upon millions of women adhere to Islamic dress codes and even wear Hijabs, meat slaughtered is regulated by halal authorities as demanded by Islamic law, marriage, divorce, and inheritance issues are dealt according to Islamic Shari'ah, Islamic banking is part of country's financial system, and drinking alcohol and premarital sex is unacceptable in the majority of society. Government has even restricted the movement and sale of alcohol, even though Indonesia is a large tourist country. That shows that as a whole, Indonesia is a very Muslim country with Islam having the dominant role in the society and culture.

You can't say the same about christianity and its role any other country in the world (may be some sub saharan african nations--but even then, their founding philosophy/principles weren't based on christianity like they are based on Islam in case of Indonesia.)

fedex01:
The founding principles of Indonesian state include "Believe in one and only one God" as a fundamental principal and philosophy of the modern Indonesian state.

This core philosophy upon which Indonesia is based comes directly from Qur'an/Islam and it is the fundamental Islamic belief (Tawhid) as you most likely know already. Indonesia isn't an atheistic state like say Norway or other western nations. Indonesia was founded as a state where religion (Islam) was to be nurtured and respected. Offcourse there's huge Christian minority as well and they are allowed to practice their faith but Islam holds all the cultural and political power in majority of the nation. Islamic parties are cornerstone of the government. Indonesian government even arranges and subsidizes Hajj pilgrimage for Muslims with public money.

Islam plays a central and preeminent role in Indonesian society and culture unlike christianity's diminished role and humiliated state in Western World and even Latin American countries. Overwhelming majority of Indonesians are practicing Muslims, millions upon millions of women adhere to Islamic dress codes and even wear Hijabs, meat slaughtered is regulated by halal authorities as demanded by Islamic law, marriage, divorce, and inheritance issues are dealt according to Islamic Shari'ah, Islamic banking is part of country's financial system, and drinking alcohol and premarital sex is unacceptable in the majority of society. Government has even restricted the movement and sale of alcohol, even though Indonesia is a large tourist country. That shows that as a whole, Indonesia is a very Muslim country with Islam having the dominant role in the society and culture.

You can't say the same about christianity and its role any other country in the world (may be some sub saharan african nations--but even then, their founding philosophy/principles weren't based on christianity like they are based on Islam in case of Indonesia.)

All this thrash you wrote here does not take away the fact that as usual you lied about islam being the basis of Indonesian constitution and you were caught pants down. Instead of you to apologise and admit your lies, you are now trying to obfuscate issues by writing jargon. Typical of an islamic infidel

Annunaki:
All this thrash you wrote here does not take away the fact that as usual you lied about islam being the basis of Indonesian constitution and you were caught pants down. Instead of you to apologise and admit your lies, you are now trying to obfuscate issues by writing jargon. Typical of an islamic infidel

Lol, the VERY FIRST clause of Pancasila, the national basis of Indonesian statehood and the preamble of Indonesian constitution says

"The state is based on the belief in one and only one God"

You do realize "one and only one God" is the most core doctrine of Islam, right?

So unlike you--who got humiliated and destroyed by me and hence you didn't respond to my post to you (Post#54)--I am not wrong when I said Islamic doctrines form the basis of Indonesia (which they do, clearly).

You are just mad that on one hand Islam is the most powerful and influential religion of history and forms the basis of many nations across the globe and is at the very center of so many different societies and cultures today (mashallah!)--while on the other hand your christianity is a completely dead, humiliated, destroyed thing and nobody even follows or respects it anymore. It doesn't form the basis of any nation nor does it play any significant role in the cultures and societies of modern world. It just influences few sub-saharan african cultures--and even then those states do not regard it as their basis of existence. How embarrassing! hahahaha!!

As I said before (read my complete post#54)--christianity is a joke infront of Islam's global influence and power as a religion. Poor christianity is not even taken seriously by so-called "christian" themselves hahahaha

fedex01:
Lol, the VERY FIRST clause of Pancasila, the national basis of Indonesian statehood and the preamble of Indonesian constitution says

"The state is based on the belief in one and only one God"

You do realize "one and only one God" is the most core doctrine of Islam, right?

So unlike you--who got humiliated and destroyed by me and hence you didn't respond to my post to you (Post#54)--I am not wrong when I said Islamic doctrines form the basis of Indonesia (which they do, clearly).

You are just mad that on one hand Islam is the most powerful and influential religion of history and forms the basis of many nations across the globe and is at the very center of so many different societies and cultures today (mashallah!)--while on the other hand your christianity is a completely dead, humiliated, destroyed thing and nobody even follows or respects it anymore. It doesn't form the basis of any nation nor does it play any significant role in the cultures and societies of modern world. It just influences few sub-saharan african cultures--and even then those states do not regard it as their basis of existence. How embarrassing! hahahaha!!

As I said before (read my complete post#54)--christianity is a joke infront of Islam's global influence and power as a religion. Poor christianity is not even taken seriously by so-called "christian" themselves hahahaha

The concept of one and only one God is a concept that predates islam by several centuries. The Jews and Christians have believed in only one God for centuries before mohamed invented his own religion. Even the zoroastrians believe in only one God and they predate islam by thousands of years so stop writing as if the concept of one is unique to islam afterall allahh started off as just one of 360 pagan idols in the quoran before mohamed destroyed the other idols and elevated the status of allahh.

Annunaki:
The concept of one and only one God is a concept that predates islam by several centuries. The Jews and Christians have believed in only one God for centuries before mohamed invented his own religion. Even the zoroastrians believe in only one God and they predate islam by thousands of years so stop writing as if the concept of one is unique to islam afterall allahh started off as just one of 360 pagan idols in the quoran before mohamed destroyed the other idols and elevated the status of allahh.

As expected, I have humiliated and destroyed you SO much and embarrassed you SO MUCH with truth about appalling and disgracefully embarrassing state of christianity around the world, in contrast to gigantic influence and power of Islam globally, that you have literally ran away from engaging with me on that topic And now you are just catching the straws. hahaha...sorry for breaking your little heart but reality has to be shoved down to your throat you know ...Ok, ok, I know christianity is a humiliated, defeated, and destroyed residue of dark ages in rest of the world (especially in West)--so I won't embarrass you any further. Afterall, Muslims are commanded to be nice to others you know

Now coming to your post,

LOL, I know the idea of monotheism is old--but Indonesian constitution is based on Islamic monotheism. We Muslims know that--you know how? Because the very wording "One and only one God" is how we describe Islamic doctrine of monotheism from early childhood. Jews don't say it like that. Christians don't say it like that. Muslims do. And the authors of Indonesian constitution weren't majority christians and jews--they were Muslims deciding on the future of a Muslim-majority nation...and they based the state on Islamic doctrine of Tawhid. Its quite simple unless you are just a lunatic that can't see CLEARLY obvious things.

When has christians ever seen and respected christianity enough to even mention the doctrine of trinity in public discourse, let alone basing their constitutions on it? LMAO. Ok, ok, sorry. Won't do it again!

Oh btw, the current ruling governmental coalition of Indonesia has Islamic parties at its heart. Islam is THRIVING in indonesia (Mashallah) and Islamic culture is so big and powerful--that there's a whole "Hijab" revolution that has come out of indonesia and spread to other parts of Islamic World as well. The Nahdlatul Ulama organization of Indonesia is an Islamic organization with 50 million+ members (Mashallah!!!) and growing. Islam is at the center of modern Indonesia and forms the core of modern Indonesian state and society (Mashallah).

3. The world does not need another bigot islamic country.

4. The hamas Palestinians love so much are NO different from ISIS except that they have far less weapons and are put in check by israeli military. .

Parisbookaddict concerning the no3, you and your cohorts have no right. Many western countries have already recognized Palestine, many from Latin America were not left out. So you can kill yourself of you want to!

I'm not a fan of Hamas, I'll say the truth when it's obvious. The reason why I don't really Hamas is because when they're supplied weapons by Iran, they use it and attack Israel in which Israel in return kills the Muslims. From the teachings of Islam, this is not right! In fact Allaah warned the Muslims that they should refrain from abusing and cursing the idols of Makkah because the Idol worshippers in return curse Allaah, this also applied to Muslims.

Hamas should know that if they kill 1 Israeli, then 20 Palestinians pay for it which doesn't make any sense! But during the last Gaza war, Hamas proved they were more disciplined than Israel. Israel killed over 2000 Muslims majority Muslims, Hamas killed over 121 Israelis with 3 civilian deaths, majority soldiers were dead. This is still the same army you support, children killers! *spits*

5. Islamic countries force christians to pay the exorbitant Jizyah tax as a way to shame them and frustrate them to convert to islam. .Palestine will do the same..

Mchwwww!!! You're not serious!

6. Israel has contributed more to theology, sciences, art and humanity in general than all the islamic countries combined. .

Proofs please?! ! Remember that there's difference between being an Israeli and being a Jew. I've seen orthodox Jews protesting against Israel and got beating of their lives from the police, many Jews also protest against them in America. Pic attached!

7. Islamic countries kill atheists. Palestine will do the same.

LOL!! ! Proves please!

8. Mohammed swore that jews will be driven out of all muslim lands, muslims claim that israel is on muslim land hence israel remaining in middle east ensures mohammed failed.

Please prove the above assertion!

9. Israeli Government ensures Christian visit holy sites and are protected when they visit israel despite terrorism activities by Palestinians

Which terrorism are talking about? Some of the terrorists acts against Israel by Palestinians were sometimes planed and carried out by fellow Christians! Are you surprised?! Have you heard of George Habbash(the man who hijacked planes, the father of modern day terrorism)? What of Chris Bandak?! And many others who killed people opposed Palestinians, many were Christians! Are willingly to challenge this fact?!

10. Israelites/ jews have only one homeland which is israel..a tiny desert land they have built up for decades while muslims are everywhere producing refugees for the west to feed..

Today's Israelis not Israelites are Zionists whose aim is upsurge Muslim lands, do you know that Israel wanted to relocate to Madagascar?! Moreover most of the Jews in Israel aren't even from the progeny of Jacob, the Muslims of Palestine are from Jacob who converted to Islam after Palestine was liberated.

Benjamin Netanyahu is from Poland,what does a Polish European have to do with Palestine? Begim was from Russian, what's his business with Palestine?! Looks like you're beginning to have serious mind issues!

I'll be replying your other nonsense later!

fedex01:
The founding principles of Indonesian state include "Believe in one and only one God" as a fundamental principal and philosophy of the modern Indonesian state.

This core philosophy upon which Indonesia is based comes directly from Qur'an/Islam and it is the fundamental Islamic belief (Tawhid) as you most likely know already. Indonesia isn't an atheistic state like say Norway or other western nations. Indonesia was founded as a state where religion (Islam) was to be nurtured and respected. Offcourse there's huge Christian minority as well and they are allowed to practice their faith but Islam holds all the cultural and political power in majority of the nation. Islamic parties are cornerstone of the government. Indonesian government even arranges and subsidizes Hajj pilgrimage for Muslims with public money.

Islam plays a central and preeminent role in Indonesian society and culture unlike christianity's diminished role and humiliated state in Western World and even Latin American countries. Overwhelming majority of Indonesians are practicing Muslims, millions upon millions of women adhere to Islamic dress codes and even wear Hijabs, meat slaughtered is regulated by halal authorities as demanded by Islamic law, marriage, divorce, and inheritance issues are dealt according to Islamic Shari'ah, Islamic banking is part of country's financial system, and drinking alcohol and premarital sex is unacceptable in the majority of society. Government has even restricted the movement and sale of alcohol, even though Indonesia is a large tourist country. That shows that as a whole, Indonesia is a very Muslim country with Islam having the dominant role in the society and culture.

You can't say the same about christianity and its role any other country in the world (may be some sub saharan african nations--but even then, their founding philosophy/principles weren't based on christianity like they are based on Islam in case of Indonesia.)

err nope
any religion don't have special status in our constitution, but we do have so called "officially" recognized religion, which is Islam, Protestanism, Roman Catholic, Hindu, Buddhist and Confucianism

even muslim here will deny your claim that indonesia is a muslim country, they will correct you that indonesia is not a muslim country but a muslim majority country

https://www.quora.com/Is-Islam-in-Indonesia-different-than-it-is-in-other-majority-Muslim-nations-If-so-how
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Indonesia-being-an-Islamic-country-have-currencies-depicting-Hinduism-and-its-God
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Indonesia-so-much-more-peaceful-than-other-nations-predominated-by-the-Sunni-Islam-religion