₦airaland Forum

dolphinheart:
no, marriages are not determined by the location or religious preference of the people, but by those who got married.

the answer is no, you are still legally married even though you are no more part of the organization. There is nothing like wedlock of the church in Jehovahs witneses. its a religious power used by the churches of christendom to determine if a marriage is acceptable to them or not.

dolphinheart:
and I've shown you the fruitlessness of that endeavor. you cant tell why the KJv, (the translation you approve of) use the word "jehovah" in some places and refuse to use it in others, you now want to go into the NWT. Again I'll advise you to use the NWT as a translation when studying God's word, and leave this unrealistic project of yours.


yes, the NWT spells it out quite clearly that only Jehovah is the almighty God!

I read the scriptures out to you, you will not see it cus you are desperate to find fault with anything Jehovah Witnesses. you will not accept or tell the world what you understand by John words recorded in rev 1:1 . I even quoted from the KJv so that you would not say I twisted the scriptures. The KJv tells you that Jesus has a God and Father!
does the scriptures say Jehovah is almighty God! yes.

Ge 17:1
When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.


you can't be interested cus it calls you out as a liar and propagator of false unbiblical teachings. that's why at every opportunity you prefer to talk about mundane things rather than using the scriptures as the basis of your discussion.



I have told you several times who jesus is, the scriptures says he is a God! A mighty God!, but he is not the almighty God! as the father, our father, is his God and thus superior to him. Jesus has always remained, in heaven, on earth and back in heaven, a loyal servant of the almighty God.
Jesus is not Jehovah and Jehovah holds that position as ALMIGHTY GOD! it is this God that Jesus called the only true God, his father, our God, the one he told Satan we should worship, the one he prayed to, the one who sent him to us and anointed him as the Christ.




simply tell us, is jesus Jehovah? is jesus the same person as the father? the answers to that question will help you a lot.

King James Version
1Jo 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

read the scriptures to find understand brocad. do not read it to find fault using human wisdom.

brocab:
After reading Realcash 224 page I had looked into it myself-about the wedlock in Realcash 224 organization, as written he/she is a Jehovah Witness since 1997.
And this is what I have found that's interesting and backs up Realcash 224 page.
For every 100 Jehovah Witnesses, more than "1" is disfellowshipped each year, out of 70.000. Two out of every 3 are never reinstated. Being disfellowshipped can result in serious emotional side effects because those that continual to believe Watchtower doctrine are told whilst disfellowshipped they are condemned to everlasting distraction, those who become unbelievers, with no intention of returning to the Watchtower society, realise they are unlikely to freely associate with Witnesses family and friends for the remainder of their lives.
The Watchtower explains-"Thus disfellowshipping" is what the Jehovah Witnesses appropriately call the expelling and subsequent shunning of such as unrepentant wrong doer. {Watchtower 1981 Sep 15 p 22} A simple hello to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversion and maybe even a fellowship, Would we want to take that fist step with a disfellowshipped person? {Watchtower 1981 Sep 15 p 25}

brocab:
The New World Translation and the King James bibles, both hold the keys to the truth who Christ really is, "God".
But because you choose not to believe, your own condemnation had already began.
KJ>Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, say's the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come the ALMIGHTY.
NWT>Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, say's Jehovah God, the one who is and who was and who is coming the ALMIGHTY.

If God and Jesus are two separate people-why then does both exalt the same name? The scriptures tells us, Jesus is the Almighty Jehovah God coming back down through the clouds, like both bibles had describe Him "He will.

NWT>Revelation 1:17-18 "When I saw Him I fell dead at His feet, And He laid His right hand on Me, and said, do not be afraid I am the first and the last, and the living one. and I became dead "but look, I am living forever and ever. And I have the keys of death and of the grave.
KJ> Revelation 1:17-18 "And when I saw Him I fell at His feet as dead, But He laid His right hand on me, Do not be afraid I am the first and the last,I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore Amen. I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
So you see, these both bibles are talking about one God Jesus Christ who is coming in the clouds.

So don't have ago to me, I am only writing what your bible say's, all you need to do, is read your bible time to time and understand the bloody thing. And if you are still convinced your bible has misprints, then you need to take it up with the Watchtower who misprinted your beliefs.
As I said your condemnation had already began.

dolphinheart:
the fear of knowing that one's doctrines are false will not make you examine the scriptures I quoted for you to read. If you have read those scriptures, you would have known who jesus is. But you dnt want the scriptures to tell you who jesus is, you want to devise and create your own jesus using false statement and wrongly understood scripture.
you quoted rev 1:8 (While abandoning the previous verses on jesus), did you see the name "jesus" mentioned therein?.
your thinking that two people are automatically the same person just because they used the same title is a totally wrong analogy. its used by those who are trying to ascribe a false doctrine into the scriptures through derived analogy, these is despite the fact that the scriptures has specifically mentioned in numerous places the relationship between the one seated on the throne and his servant jesus.


the above is false. Jesus is not Jehovah.!


false teachings!


you will always not understand the scriptures as long as you refuse to see what it tells you, as you only want to see what you believe in. I only use the scriptures in replying your post not because of you, cus I know you wunt read them, but because of others who want to know the truth.
you say I'm condemned, that's not according to John 17:1-3.
brocab, go and have knowledge about the only true God,Jehovah, and the one he sent, Jesus christ.

dolphinheart:
here is another one.
If you read the scriptures, you would not have brought these up.

rev 2:5
King James Version
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

brocab, Jehovahs witnesses dnt want their candlestick removed!

1 cor 5:5,6
King James Version
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

brocab, bad things when not nipped in the bud quickly can affect the whole congregation!
little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough.

If you read the scriptures, you must have come across these verses.

1 cor 5:9-13
King James Version
[b]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1Co 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

2Th 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

2Th 3:14
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 Johnverse 10,11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.[/b]

If you read the scriptures, you wunt be talking about people expelled and how they are treated. Jehovahs witnesses always strive to keep the congregation clean in the eyes of Jehovah, despite their imperfect state. compare their actions with that of other churches who will not expell someone because he is rich and contributes money to the church.

Jehovahs witnesses warmly welcome back an individual who have shown genuine repentance and has made effort to leave his or her bad ways!

brocab:
So why does Jehovah Witnesses turn their backs on others?

You have used scriptures such as these, to back up your theory, but yet none of them do.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 "do not keep company with fornicators, drunkards, Idolaters, etc..
You have judged and condemned these people, automatically you have called them out to be Criminals.

And the sad thing, without reason, you have twisted these scriptures around to make your theory sound your Church does not condemn-meaning to say they are not worthy to be with anybody other then the Jehovah Witnesses organization. {Talk about mind control}

I can understand why people leave Churches such as yours, it proves you do separate families, and if a man Woman Child, does decide to leave your Church for what reason? Condemnation had already began.

Using scriptures such as these-without reasoning, innocent Christian people are called fornicators, drunkards, and Idolaters.

2 John 10:11 "If anyone comes to you and do not bring this doctrine, then don't let him into your house.
But the Jehovah Witnesses are always bringing in the Watchtower doctrines to peoples homes. {Jesus did say' don't let anybody into your house, who brings the wrong doctrine} So what does the JW's do, they bring in Watchtower magazines,{Wrong doctrine} expecting people to read them rather then the word of God.

Again X JW's who no-longer believe in your doctrine, after given their testimony's God Himself had called them out of your Church, and it shows you have condemn them' calling them names, fornicators drunkards etc.. Only because Jesus had revealed Himself to them, And they are living for Christ, and not living for your organization.

You really believe the Jehovah Witnesses hold the keys to the hidden secrets of God, and everybody who don't belong are already condemned.

brocab:
So if you believe these scriptures are false then why does your bible write them?

Who is the Alpha and the Omega-who is the beginning and the end, who is the first and the last, who was dead and now alive forevermore. Jesus Jehovah God.

I have plenty more scriptures, that proves Jesus is God, and they are all written in the NWT bible.

dolphinheart:
never said the scriptures where false, it is your teachings which is as a result of a deliberate wrong understanding of the scriptures and a deliberate refusal to read and accept what the scriptures I quoted says are what I said to be false.


false teachings, no wonder you could not answer if jesus is Jehovah or if jesus is also the father!
thought that you are Tryin to prove that Jesus is the almighty God!

dolphinheart:
who are "others"?


non of them do what!!!?
good you agree that their actions have Scriptural backings, they are not theories!


1 cor 5:12
King James Version
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?



without reason? I gave you two with Scriptural backing, guess you did not see it as usual.
you think I twisted the scriptures(even when I quoted straight from the KJv)and yet(as usual) you refused to tell us your understanding of what the scriptures I quoted is saying.


good you understand why they expell unrepentant sinners from their midst.
sentiments are not to considered when keeping Jehovahs organization clean!
bet you would have complained and say God is causing family division if your brother, son or parent had been one of the 23 thousand(1 cor 10:28)


are fornicators, drunkards and Idolaters innocent in your own eyes? are you saying they should shun Scriptural injunctions on how the congregation handle such one among them?

now can you add reason to your understanding of the scriptures and tell us how such ones should be handled?(I'm betting you can't do that)



What are this doctrines?, verse 3 of that same john says:
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

so if you bring a different doctrine other than the fact that Jesus is the son of the father, for example saying that Jesus is Jehovah, I will not accept you.
does the doctrine that that Jehovah’s withnesses bring to your doorstep align with what John was talking about? yes! , so it is not wrong doctrine.
I've been quoting from the word of God since and not the Watchtower, Jehovah witnesses do not tell you not to read the scriptures rather they encourage you to so, they are always with a bible when you see them at your doorstep, therefore your accusation is both mischievous and false!.


brocab, no one calls anyone names, a fornicator is a fornicator, if he or she did not commit the sin with good evidence to show it, he or she will not be expelled. and that same person will be warmly welcomed back if he or she is truly repentant.


pls tell me just one organization that you think does the will of God as directed by the scriptures.? If you can't, then you have answered your question yourself.

Jehovahs witnesses have proven over time, that no matter who you are, be it a superstar or the richest man, you will be expelled if you deliberately commit sin and show no sign of Repentance!

brocab:
He is the Almighty God even your bible backs it up.

brocab:
They are called such names only because they left your Church-Believe it or not they found Christ to His fullest, leaving you behind.

dolphinheart:
you are lying!, they do not call anyone names. Being expelled is not a public thing, you will only be disfellowshipped if it's proven that you deliberately commit those sins and show no signs of Repentance. stop lying brocab, it does not help!
you say you read the bible, yet you dnt know the process of expelling a deliberate wrongdoer from the congregation. I can bet your church allows every form of Sin, if not, pls tell us what your church does to someone that is a fornicator! If you can't ,then leave those who follow the scriptures guidelines alone.!

If they truly found Christ, they should be happy they where expelled right? But that's not the case as they keep on ranting ang complaining about why and how they where expelled! most cant even mention the church they attend to find their Christ.

dolphinheart:
you are lying!, they do not call anyone names. Being expelled is not a public thing, you will only be disfellowshipped if it's proven that you deliberately commit those sins and show no signs of Repentance. stop lying brocab, it does not help!
you say you read the bible, yet you dnt know the process of expelling a deliberate wrongdoer from the congregation. I can bet your church allows every form of Sin, if not, pls tell us what your church does to someone that is a fornicator! If you can't ,then leave those who follow the scriptures guidelines alone.!

If they truly found Christ, they should be happy they where expelled right? But that's not the case as they keep on ranting ang complaining about why and how they where expelled! most cant even mention the church they attend to find their Christ.

dolphinheart:
that's a lie, and that's why you can't tell if jesus is same person as the father or if jesus is same person as Jehovah. Jehovah is the almighty God, the supreme being who told Jesus to sit at his right side, the God of Jesus! heb 1:9

JMAN05:
You do have patience for people like that. Though others might benefit frm ur comments sha, nt jst him.

How are u man? If u have time u hala me for my email. Want us to discuss something.

dolphinheart:
that's a lie, and that's why you can't tell if jesus is same person as the father or if jesus is same person as Jehovah. Jehovah is the almighty God, the supreme being who told Jesus to sit at his right side, the God of Jesus! heb 1:9

JMAN05:
You do have patience for people like that. Though others might benefit frm ur comments sha, nt jst him.

How are u man? If u have time u hala me for my email. Want us to discuss something.

brocab:
Sin is everywhere-either in a Church or elsewhere.

In many Churches, if one man woman or child refuses to have respect for the Church they are attending, yes one can ask them to be removed. But they are not condemned for eternity, they can either go else where to fellowship within the Church guild lines, or don't go at all.

We just see it as the man's going through a rough time.

This is the differences we have, I have been to Churches myself, and I didn't like it's structure, still a Christian I ended up leaving that Church and going to the next,

but you in the other hand' don't treat it the way we do, you condemn a man completely out of all the JW's organizations.

Which can course fiction between a husband and a wife, most end up leaving each other, because of the down fall, the Church helps to destroy.

Matthew 18:21 "Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, Lord how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? up to Seven times. Jesus said to Him, I do not say to you, up to seven times, But up to seventy times seven.

I have met many X JW's many have lost their families because of your organization. You have torn them apart spilt up husbands and wife's, Children, because you believe they are unevenly yoke, and because one doesn't believe in your cult, they are condemned for eternity.

This information is even written in your own manuscripts {Watchtower 1981 Sep 15 P 22}
Who's lying now?

brocab:
New World Translation the Jehovah Witnesses bible. Revelation 1:7-8 "Look He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierce Him; and all the tribes of the earth, will beat themselves with grief because of Him. "Yes Amen"
I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God, the One who Is the One who was and who Is Coming.
So you see-this is talking about Christ, and what teachings you receive from the Watchtower, you are actually denying the power of the word of God, your own bible say's in John 1:18 "No-man has seen God at any time.
So if no-one had seen God at any time, then who else is coming back' this leaves Christ the almighty?

brocab:
Then you need to ask yourself who is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning to the end, the first and the last, and ask yourself' which of the two are coming back for His people. {Jesus or Jehovah God, the scriptures does say One of them are coming back?}
Once you asked yourself that-you maybe on the road to glory?

dolphinheart:
can you see how confusing you are and how much you have confused yourself on these issues? you have tried linking jesus with Jehovah and now you are saying " one of them".

stating if jesus is Jehovah God or if they are two seperate persons will help you to understand who is coming. state your views on that first and everything will fall into place.

dolphinheart:
you have a lot to learn, what you are searching for will not help you understand what the scriptures says.
your refusal to tell us if jesus is same person as the father or if jesus is same person as Jehovah or if jesus is the same person as the one who gave him instructions to sit at his right hand will continue to affect your understanding of what the book of rev chapter one is saying.
rev 1:1 to 6 have already seperated jesus from the almighty God, yet you are desperate to link verse 7 and 8 together as talking about one person.

If you truly understand verse 7 and 8, why do you then refuse to understand verse one to 6 or explain what is written there? Your answer lies in your refusal to understand what the scriptures says in favour of your false doctrines.
ones you sit down and explain to every one what the preceeding verses 1 to 6 says, then you will know the truth.

dolphinheart:
we are talking about sins that the scriptures recommended expulsion for. The sin committed and the attitude of the sinner towards the sin committed are important. The scriptures is explicit on the process, not only giving instructions but also giving examples of how such instructions had been carried out from the time of Adam till now. You can break those rules cus of sentiments, but Jehovahs witnesses will not, cus its a safeguard!
cus sin is everywhere does not mean it should be condoned brocab.


that's the difference between a true congregation and a divided one.
does moving to a new church remove the sin committed in the former church?NO!
The branches of the church should be under one body with same guidelines.

no human now can condemn anybody for eternity, it is not a Scriptural guideline and Jehovahs withnesses dnt do it. A Christian already knows he wunt gain evalasting life if he is a fornicator, he does not need to be expelled to know that. But he also knows that if he changes his ways he can gain evalasting life.


tell us pls, what did moses tell the isrealites as regards sinners among them(by sinners , I mean those who sin continously such as fornicators and adulterers and drunkards).
pls tell us, what does the scripture say we should do to those who commit such sins in the Christian congregation.
you have so far failed woefully in telling us what the word of God say we should do to such ones. not following divine instructions will only give the devil a leeway into the congregation brocad, follow Scriptural directive and do not lean on your own understanding. trust in Jehovah and do not let sentiments affect your understanding.(proverbs chapter 3)


the same church with different branches or a different church with different doctrines and process.? pls be specific. and pls be confident enough to mention the name of the church!


we dnt do it the way you do cus we prefer to follow Scriptural directives(as shown you in previous post)rather than follow man made opinions.
Jehovahs withnesses dnt have organizations, they have only one orginization, get it?
you condemn yourself by not repenting from the sins you are committing!


do not let sentiments affect your judgements, the scriptures says "do not associate with sinners". you brocab, will associate with an armed robber if she is your wife!

The church will not lose its lampstand because of an individual who wants to use sentiments to remain in the congregation and continue to practise sin!


are you serious at all brocab? or you simply dnt know or understand the topic you are bringing on. How does your committing fornication relate to sinning against me?!


you are a liar brocad, being expelled does not mean your marriage will be dissolved. If you are unevenly yoked, you are still yoked, that yoking will be respected and observed by all, and can only be broken through an act of adultery by one of the partners.

Most times when you use the letter "i", you next statement will probably be a lie cus you feel no one can investigate it.




brocab, you are a liar!, bet you where told to just post the Watchtower and you did not read it! cus if you have done so , you would not have referred to it. Probably you where thinking people wunt look for it to read cus it was published in 1981.

A part of that page shows your post as lies:[b]"Since his being disfellowshipped does not sever the family ties, normal day-to-day family activities and dealings may continue."[b].
If you truly want people to know you are not lying, pls post what is in that page of that Watchtower and tell us if their understanding of the scriptures they put their is wrong.

brocab:
So your answer is you don't know who's coming back?

dolphinheart:
my reply to him is not for him to read, but for others to see who he really is.
I'll try and mail you soon

Ken4Christ:
The JW are a false religious group. There is no point arguing with them. They have hardened their hearts not to believe the truth. Just imagine all the false predictions they have made over the years;

• 1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).

• 1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).

• 1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).

• 1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).

• 1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).

• 1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).

• 1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).

• 1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).

• 1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
• 1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).

• 1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).

• 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).

• 1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1968, p. 494).

A JW might say that the organization is still learning. If that is so, then how can they trust what they are taught now by the Watchtower? Will what they are being taught now change also?

A true prophet of God won't err in prophesying. Only a false prophet does. The Jehovah's Witness organization, that claims to be a prophet of God, is really a false prophet. Jesus warned us by saying, "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible" (Matt. 24:24)[i][/i].

dolphinheart:
clear the screen first and you will see clearly who is coming. first tell us if jesus is same person as Jehovah or if jesus is same person as the father or if jesus is the same person as one sitted on the throne who told Jesus to sit at his right side. clearing that one away first will help you to understand who is coming. your refusal to share that information shows who you really are, someone who jumps from issues to issues, looking for perceived faults without neccessarily ready to offer solutions.

brocab:
Does not Revelation 1:1-8 "tell you who Jehovah God is?

This can be confusing and it all go's back to the mystery of the trinity, when Jesus was on the cross, He quoted Psalms 22 "Matthew 27:46 "Mark 15:34 "This was a psalm of David, but it was a Messianic prophesy as well.

The entire psalm contains remarkable predictions by David concerning the coming Messiah. So one of the reasons He called God My God, was to fulfil the prophesy of the psalm.

And as we all know, the prophesies have to be fulfilled, I suppose when we ever make it to heaven, we will see it all.
You don't believe God and Jesus are One-you can't understand no-one has seen God at any time, and you have made God into a man made of flesh and blood, and you don't believe Jesus is that man, by the bible's description, Jesus died,, and was made is alive forevermore. And He is the one returning back to earth raising His people to meet Him in the clouds. Jesus the Almighty-your bible calls Him Jehovah God.

What the flesh don't know' the flesh will never understand, but if you were Spirit filled-you would know the Spirit. But because these arguments of yours are not of the Spirit-then you are speaking in the flesh, and flesh can only act upon what the flesh knows.
"
So until you receive the Spirit of God and understand the scriptures, your argument will always travel around in circles.

dolphinheart:
yes it does! and I'm astounded by your refusal to accept it! in verse one it tells that God gave the Revelation to jesus, this blatantly shows that Jesus is not that God refered to in verse one.
verse six now makes it clear that Jesus HAS A GOD,(the same one who gave him the revelation), that same God is jesus father. Jesus has on several occasions refered to this God as his God! also telling disciples that that God is also their God! , the God that sent him, THE ONLY TRUE GOD!, his father!. We found out that this God said he is the God of jesus(heb 1:9).
These God's name is Jehovah and superior to jesus, therefore these God is THE ALMIGHTY GOD.!

brocab, if you think I'm wrong, tell us who Jehovah is, if you fail to do so , it shows you dnt know the one who gave jesus the Revelation. remember John 17:1 to 3? know Jehovah if you want to gain evalasting life brocab.


It can be confusing to you and to those who want to twist the scriptures and ascribe to it things not found there.

listing scripture verses without quoting it or explaining it wunt help you. For your benefit, and for others to know you dnt tell the truth, i will quote those scriptures and show you what it means.

Matthew 27: 43,46,54
King James Version
He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

now who did the these people say Jesus called himself? almighty God? Jehovah? The answers are no! they said Jesus called himself the son of God! The son of the one he cried out to in a loud voice.

The words in Matthew and that of Psalms 22 help us to know the God jesus cried out to.

Psalms 22: 1,8 ,19
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you far from saving me, Far from my cries of anguish?
“HE ENTRUSTED HIMSELF TO JEHOVAH. Let Him rescue him! Let Him save him, for he is so dear to Him!”
But you, O JEHOVAH, do not remain far away. You are my strength; hurry to help me.
Therefore, the God jesus cried out to, the one he called his God ,is Jehovah and not trinity.!


verry funny, how did Jesus fulfil the prophecy, by saying what was said in the prophecy?


you are far off from the truth brocab, and derived analogy wunt help you. They are one does not mean they are the same person as explained to you several times.
Jesus is not the almighty God as Jehovah is superior to him. You can now see that the fact that you can't tell us if jesus is Jehovah is because the answer will show the world that your doctrines are false.

you that have the spirit, please tell us if jesus is same person as the father, if jesus is same person as Jehovah and if jesus is same person person as the one who told him to sit on the right side.