Scholar8200:

I guess the answer above answers this.

Just explain what the word "eternal" means as it is used to describe the Law of GOD.

Scholar8200:
He fulfilled it! That's the language the Bible used, i would stick with that!

LOL You can no longer answer with yes or no? Just answer with yes or no: Did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

DoctorAlien:


Just explain what the word "eternal" means as it is used to describe the Law of GOD.

God's Law Is His nature-Love (the very Essence that underlies all the others as Romans 13:8-10 shows)! God never changes and Love remains His Nature eternally!
This cannot be referring to the OT Law as they would no longer be relevant in Heaven
For example, there will be no need saying thou shalt not commit adultery as there will be no marriages!
There will be no need to say honour thy father and thy mother as these bonds will no longer be!
There will be no longer, ''thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife as this will no longer be etc

Scholar8200:
The Greatest of the Laws describes God's Essence, Nature and Person and it underlies every other laws. God remains the same for all eternity, so does His Nature!

So if GOD does not change, why do you think His moral Laws can change?

DoctorAlien:


LOL You can no longer answer with yes or no? Just answer with yes or no: Did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Well the pharisees also came to Jesus with a yes or no question regarding tribute to Caesar, did He give them yes or no answer? Wisdom is justified of her children!

DoctorAlien:


So if GOD does not change, why do you think His moral Laws can change?

Pls read this post slowly and meditatively:

Scholar8200:
God's Law Is His nature-Love (the very Essence that underlies all the others as Romans 13:8-10 shows)! God never changes and Love remains His Nature eternally!
This cannot be referring to the OT Law as they would no longer be relevant in Heaven
For example, there will be no need saying thou shalt not commit adultery as there will be no marriages!
There will be no need to say honour thy father and thy mother as these bonds will no longer be!
There will be no longer, ''thou shall not covet thy neighbour's wife as this will no longer be etc

Scholar8200:
Well the pharisees also came to Jesus with a yes or no question regarding tribute to Caesar, did He give them yes or no answer? Wisdom is justified of her children!

The Pharisees came to test their GOD. I have not come to test you. You might know something I don't know.

So tell me, did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

Scholar8200:
This cannot be referring to the OT as they would no longer be relevant in Heaven

What is the OT Law? It cannot be the 10 Commandments because the Bible says the moral Law of GOD is forever.
Or has the meaning of "forever" changed?

So what is this OT law?

Obedience to the moral law of GOD is a mark of the true saints of GOD.

Rev. 12:17 "...with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of GOD, and have the testimoney of Jesus Christ"

Rev. 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of GOD, and the faith of Jesus."

Rev. 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life..."

DoctorAlien:


What is the OT Law? It cannot be the 10 Commandments because the Bible says [b]the moral Law of GOD [/b]is forever.
Or has the meaning of "forever" changed?

So what is this OT law?

And what is the "Moral Law of God"?

Scholar8200:
And what is the "Moral Law of God"?

The moral law of GOD is the 10 Commandments.

DoctorAlien:


The Pharisees came to test their GOD. I have not come to test you. You might know something I don't know.

So tell me, did Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

For the umpteenth time, He fulfilled the Law and all its righteous demands! And the law is fulfilled in all that believe on Him and walk in the Spirit!


Now read this very slowly and meditatively and with an objective mind:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,...
9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

Romans 10:4,5,9,10

DoctorAlien:


The moral law of GOD is the 10 Commandments.

Now what Law is the summary or essence of the 10 commandments? LOVE.

Now would the 10 commandments be relevant in Heaven? NO

But the Essence which is also the Divine NAture and the greatest commandment Love abides forever, (there abideth faith, hope and charity and the greatest of these is Charity)

Scholar8200:



For the umpteenth time, He fulfilled the Law and all its righteous demands! And the law is fulfilled in all that believe on Him and walk in the Spirit!


Now read this very slowly and meditatively and with an objective mind:

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise,...
9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

Romans 10:4,5,9,10

It wouldn't kill you to answer with yes or no: Did Jesus Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

DoctorAlien:
Obedience to the moral law of GOD is a mark of the true saints of GOD.

Rev. 12:17 "...with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of GOD, and have the testimoney of Jesus Christ"

Rev. 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of GOD, and the faith of Jesus."

Rev. 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life..."

And John has a lot to say about the commandment here:

1.1 John 2:7-10
Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.


2.1 John 3:22-24
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment


3. Jesus made it clear when He said:

Matthew 7:24

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

None of the above not even the Sermon on the Mount charged any with the need to Keep the sabbath! Rather the Greatest commandment and the Divine Nature of holiness and Love in various applications in the situations of life is all you find!

Scholar8200:
Now what Law is the summary or essence of the 10 commandments? LOVE.

Now would the 10 commandments be relevant in Heaven? NO

But the Essence which is also the Divine NAture and the greatest commandment Love abides forever, (there abideth faith, hope and charity and the greatest of these is Charity)

So you're saying the Bible is lying when it says the Law of GOD is forever (Psalm 119:160)?

DoctorAlien:


It wouldn't kill you to answer with yes or no: Did Jesus Christ obey the 10 Commandments when He was on earth?

I have given my answer to this question already. Jesus FULFILLED the Law. That's where the Bible stands and that is where I stand.

DoctorAlien:


So you're saying the Bible is lying when it says the Law of GOD is forever (Psalm 119:160)?

I did not say that; that's your opinion arising from inadvertent or deliberate misunderstanding!

DoctorAlien:


LOL. "the law has ceased but the principles still guide xtians". What a contradiction!

Meanwhile, any Biblical proof of your claim that the moral Law of GOD has "ceased"?

How is that a contradiction?


Rom 7:6,7

6 But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. 7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said: " You must not covet"

Of all the charges the Jews levelled against the apostles of Jesus even after He ascended into Heaven, the apostles were never charged with breaking the Sabbath of GOD or teaching men to ignore it. I wonder where this spirit of intolerance for the Sabbath of GOD came from.

JMAN05:


Rom 7:6,7

6 But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. 7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said: " You must not covet"

Christ died to save us from the judgement hanging on ours heads because we sinned(transgressed the law. 1 Jn 3:4).

If you claim you have been "released" from the moral Law of GOD, under which Law are you now?

Scholar8200:
I did not say that; that's your opinion arising from inadvertent or deliberate misunderstanding!

LOL. You're trying to say that at a point, the Law of GOD would be done away with. Now, answer me: Does it mean the Bible is not saying the truth when it says the Law of GOD is forever?

JMAN05:


How is that a contradiction?


Rom 7:6,7

6 But now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. 7 What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said: " You must not covet"

Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good"

Now, if the Law is Holy and righteous and good, do we need to be released from it?

Scholar8200:
I have given my answer to this question already. Jesus FULFILLED the Law. That's where the Bible stands and that is where I stand.

Well, if you don't know, Jesus Christ never for one day transgressed any part of the 10 Commandments when He was on earth. You who claim to be His follower should have no reason to do so.

DoctorAlien:


Christ died to save us from the judgement hanging on ours heads because we sinned(transgressed the law. 1 Jn 3:4).

The account says "we have been released from the law" Oga, not that "we have been released from the judgment". Off the default mindset so as to read the scriptures well.

If you claim you have been "released" from the moral Law of GOD, under which Law are you now?

Let's finish the above first.

Scholar8200:
I have given my answer to this question already. Jesus FULFILLED the Law. That's where the Bible stands and that is where I stand.

If you really are standing where the Bible is, you would know that you have no reason to continue in disobedience to GOD's word.

JMAN05:


The account says "we have been released from the law" Oga, not that "we have been released from the judgment". Off the default mindset so as to read the scriptures well.

If anybody has his default mindset on while reading the Bible, it has to be you who search the Bible just to see a verse that will permit you to continue in disobedience to GOD's commandments. But I'm sorry; if you search the Bible from now till eternity, you'll never see a verse where you are told to disregard the Law of GOD.

Back to the question. If you claim you have been released from the Law of GOD, under whose Law are you now?

DoctorAlien:


Well, if you don't know, Jesus Christ never for one day transgressed any part of the 10 Commandments when He was on earth. You who claim to be His follower should have no reason to do so.

Why then the deafening silence on sabbath keeping in all the Epistles of the Apostles when describing the new life in Christ? And was Christ right when He declared the priests blameless even though they profaned the sabbath?

DoctorAlien:


LOL. You're trying to say that at a point, the Law of GOD would be done away with. Now, answer me: Does it mean the Bible is not saying the truth when it says the Law of GOD is forever?

Quote me where that was said.

Scholar8200:
Why then the deafening silence on sabbath keeping in all the Epistles of the Apostles when describing the new life in Christ? And was Christ right when He declared the priests blameless even though they profaned the sabbath?

When Christ was on earth, and up until the time the epistles were written, this ruckus surrounding the Sabbath of GOD was never there. I mean, nobody ever disputed the Sanctity of the Sabbath. They knew they had to keep it because GOD commanded it. Jesus kept the Sabbath of GOD. Paul and all the apostles kept the Sabbath of GOD. All the Early Christians kept the Sabbath of GOD.

DoctorAlien:


Romans 7:12 "Wherefore the Law is Holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good"

Now, if the Law is Holy and righteous and good, do we need to be released from it?

Ya, read the context so well. Paul had stated that we have been released from the law. However that does not make the law bad, why? Without it sin would not be manifest. Without law, sin is dead' he said. So the law is good in that it made transgression manifest. This was to lead us to Christ, that ends its work. Rom 10:4. No one would say the tutor was no longer good.

Concerning the argument between Christ and the Pharisees where He made a reference to David eating the shewbread, click this link to read what Christ was truly trying to teach: https://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Periodical&bookCode=RH&lang=en&year=1897&month=August&day=3&paragraphReferences=1