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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 6:33am On Mar 02, 2016
rugged7:
Nigeria Army Commandos
These are Air Force guys, not army.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:14am On Mar 02, 2016
Nigerian Navy SBS, Exercise Flintlock 16



Nigerian Air Force QRF, Nigeria COIN

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 7:56am On Mar 02, 2016
UGANDA (March 2, 2015)— COL Sabiiti Muzeeyi, Deputy Commander of the Ugandan Special Forces Command (SFC) speaks to soldiers at a dedication ceremony for a new sniper training facility. The SFC soldiers will be the first class to graduate from sniper training at the new facility.



150302-N-JP207-001 UGANDA (March 2, 2015)— Soldiers with the Ugandan Special Forces Command (SFC) work with a U.S. Navy SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) to erect a Bravo flag on a new sniper range. The range is part of a new training facility that will be used to train SFC snipers. (U.S. Navy Photo By Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Les Long)



150302-N-JP207-002 UGANDA (March 2, 2015)— Soldiers with the Ugandan Special Forces Command (SFC) hang targets on a new sniper range. The range is part of a new training facility that will be used to train SFC snipers. (U.S. Navy Photo By Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Les Long)



150302-N-JP207-008 UGANDA (March 2, 2015)— COL Sabiiti Muzeeyi, Deputy Commander of the Ugandan Special Forces Command (SFC) speaks to soldiers at a dedication ceremony for a new sniper training facility. The SFC soldiers will be the first class to graduate from sniper training at the new facility. (U.S. Navy Photo By Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Les Long)
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 8:12am On Mar 02, 2016
I think these midget submarines might be a very good assets for Nigerian Navy too.

http://www.hisutton.com/New%20Croatian%20midget%20sub%20-%20Drakon%20220.html

Or

http://www.hisutton.com/News%20-%20Korea%20building%20new%20HDS-400%20midget%20submarine.html

Then we can add the Chinese submarine later.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 10:00am On Mar 02, 2016
uganda army Special Forces Commandos

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Patchesagain: 10:24am On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:
I think these midget submarines might be a very good assets for Nigerian Navy too.

http://www.hisutton.com/New%20Croatian%20midget%20sub%20-%20Drakon%20220.html

Or

http://www.hisutton.com/News%20-%20Korea%20building%20new%20HDS-400%20midget%20submarine.html

Then we can add the Chinese submarine later.

The korean one is pure se.x
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by M14A1: 10:36am On Mar 02, 2016
Well draped Nigerian soilders such as this are marvelous in my sight, not those scruffy mismatched misfits. undecided

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3453311_r2_jpegd48e51ce0050df41b47f45cdcf2cbfe2
cool

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:10am On Mar 02, 2016
"You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom."-


Nigeria COIN

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:18am On Mar 02, 2016
a documentary on some algerian special force


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqL9W5xg4yI

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 11:25am On Mar 02, 2016
Patchesagain:


The korean one is pure se.x

Yes you are right.

But will be better if combined with S20 submarine or kilo class.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:28am On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:
I think these midget submarines might be a very good assets for Nigerian Navy too.

http://www.hisutton.com/New%20Croatian%20midget%20sub%20-%20Drakon%20220.html

Or

http://www.hisutton.com/News%20-%20Korea%20building%20new%20HDS-400%20midget%20submarine.html

Then we can add the Chinese submarine later.

They look like nice nimble assets to start a Submarine fleet with. 5 units and 3 Chinese or German type Submarines at a later time.

However, it is unlikely that we would see any Naval submarines anytime soon. They aren't yet a priority.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by agaugust: 11:36am On Mar 02, 2016
Henry240:


These are Air Force guys, not army.

The new camo service I.D. confusion that I worry about is already happening
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 11:37am On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:


Yes you are right.

But will be better if combined with S20 submarine or kilo class.

Unfortunately in the era of air-independent propulsion they are all obsolete (that includes the Type 209)
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:38am On Mar 02, 2016
another documentary

Infantry Training Center of arzew (algeria) for the first basic training of infantry before transfert to others advanced training centers




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81uDxno11EM
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 11:40am On Mar 02, 2016
agaugust:


The new camo service I.D. confusion that I worry about is already happening


You I.D them using their carbines, problem solved lipsrsealedlipsrsealedlipsrsealedlipsrsealed

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by agaugust: 11:42am On Mar 02, 2016
MikeCZAR:


Non..sense.


Exactly ! For $5 million per vehicle the Badger IFV has only a 30mm cannon and one tiny size light machine gun, I agree with you sir, the Badger is nonsense.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 11:48am On Mar 02, 2016
agaugust:


[s]Stop attaching lies to your comments and stop trying to force false information down our throats.


Which source says Badger 30mm cannon is the most advanced in the world? Show us the source and stop making up things.

I could also claim the newly developed Ukrainian ZTM-2 is the most modern 30mm cannon in the world because it came into market around 2014.

BMP-3 model 1987, nobody buys that anymore, its no longer produced. The current modern variants BMP-3F and BMP-3M is what buyers are now getting.

Badger, 2010 ? Badger is based on Patria and the Patria project started in Finland in 1995...that is 21 years ago.

Project Hoefyster started in 1997.....google it on defenseindustry daily website, the Badger IFV is a 20 year old obsolete concept design, there is nothing modern about a 20 years ago concept.

The extra floor protection is basic MRAP technology and nothing is cutting edge about it, it actually made the Badger to lose it's amphibious capability, how is that for your fake 'cutting edge tech' claims?

Badger 30mm cannon has low rate of fire per minute and is incapbale of rapid fire at a high rate.

Your 60mm mortar is the most advanced in the world? Mortar is mortar dude, or your own Badger mortar fires nuclear shells? Which source proves your mortar is better than all other mortars in the world ?

No other African country needs to have your own exact type of trackers and thermal imagers, their IFV is made in a different country and have their own electronic instruments, why must they have your own type?

Badger mortar carrier is not an IFV, it has no cannon, NATO standard says IFV must carry cannon at least 20mm.

Badger missile carrier is not an IFV, it has no cannon, and fails to meet NATO standard of 20mm cannon minimum.

Only the Badger with 30mm cannon and 12.7mm machine gun is an IFV, all other Badger types or variants are not IFV.

Firepower has to do with modernity just like onboard equipment/instrumentation. NATO standard says 20mm cannon minimum for IFV and it says for modern IFVs, anti-tank missiles to defend itself against enemy tanks. So the lack of combined cannon + missile capability has removed the Badger from the NATO standard definition of a modern IFV.

One single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in two hours, and the Badger cannot fight back or defend itself. It's one of the worst IFVs in Africa for the price of almost $5 million per Badger.

Sorry to burst your bubble. No offence intended. Just wish you stop posting lies upon lies. Thank you.[/s]

- Gi-30 CAM GUN - world first and only example of its kind
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4225.html

- Arachnida II WMS used in the Badger 60 is highly advanced, with data-link, inertial navigation, geo-positioning etc. Name an IFV with a similar system.
http://www.denellandsystems.co.za/products/artillery

- Denel M1 60mm mortar has a 6km range (world first), is breech loading, uses an auto-loader and is also unique in respect of elevation: from -5º to +70º, which allows it to be employed in a direct fire application.
http://army-guide.com/eng/article/article_1135.html

Now go ahead and list:

- IFV's with BLUFOR trackers
- IFV's with flat floor mine protection and the same STANAG level
- Hunter-killer capabilities ie: Independant FCS for commander

Now, you called me a liar.

Apologize.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 11:49am On Mar 02, 2016
agaugust:


Exactly ! For $5 million per vehicle the Badger IFV has only a 30mm cannon and one tiny size light machine gun, I agree with you sir, the Badger is nonsense.

$5 million a vehicle for the most advanced IFV in Africa, that is 70% indigenous, has 30mm frontal protection as standard, class leading mine protection, modular armor kits, data-link intergration, an SPG (since you say its not an IFV) and a tank hunter and is tailor made for our needs is cheap grin

Also, where do you get $5 million from?

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 11:50am On Mar 02, 2016
I've been seeing airforce and naval guys here in Jos with the new woodland camouflage but I've not seen any wit the desert camouflage yet. Does anyone have the pics of the new desert camouflage?
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by agaugust: 11:50am On Mar 02, 2016
Patchesagain:


What are you going to do when i post links for every single claim?

Are you going to aplogize?

Ps: look up the NATO definition before i am forced to embarras you

Go ahead sir. I am waiting for proofs of your wild claims. Thanks.
.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 11:52am On Mar 02, 2016
Sorry for reposting same images.

But i just noticed a change to the commanders sights (the optic sticking out of the turret) between prototype and production variants.

See the diff between pic 1 and pic 2

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by agaugust: 11:58am On Mar 02, 2016
croat:


Badger/Patria AMV is one of most modern APC in the world and its after all nicknamed The Green Demon by the Taliban.

.

O brother Patches please stop stop stop ALL THESE LIES, please.

Badger IFV/Patria AMV have never seen war action anywhere, the Green Demon of Afghanistan war is the KTO Rosomak M3 a very differently empowered variant with ANTI-RPG NET protection, polish COMPOSITE ARMOUR protection and 40MM AUTOMATIC GRENADE LAUNCHER as offensive area weapon....your Badger IFV has no composite armour and no auto grenade area weapon.

Please stop loading lies upon lies on this thread, pleeeeaaase stop it Patches !!!
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 11:59am On Mar 02, 2016
Henry240:


They look like nice nimble assets to start a Submarine fleet with. 5 units and 3 Chinese or German type Submarines at a later time.

However, it is unlikely that we would see any Naval submarines anytime soon. They aren't yet a priority.

I think we can gain a lot from having midget submarines now. They cost roughly 50 million euros. They are not really that expensive
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:05pm On Mar 02, 2016
Agaugust and Patches689, you guys should please take your argument(s) to the other thread.

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:07pm On Mar 02, 2016
Henry240:
Agaugust and Patches689, you guys should please take your argument(s) to the other thread.

Im not doing any arguing.

Just posting pictures and links, as the thread suggests

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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rugged7(m): 12:07pm On Mar 02, 2016
Oga Henry, i stand corrected if they are.
But i had a long look at the pix.
My 1st impression was QRF, but there appears to be no unit ?blue badges on the arm
The vests are not so common with airforce specops
The wooded camouflage are reminiscent of the army spec ops chaps trained in russia
The weapons are consistent with Navy SBS and possibly some airforce QRF
Or are these new uniforms as per c-i-c instructions?
Can u clarify how u came up with the air force conclusion?

Henry240:


These are Air Force guys, not army.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 12:08pm On Mar 02, 2016
patches689:


Unfortunately in the era of air-independent propulsion they are all obsolete (that includes the Type 209)

TYPE 041 are fitted with AIP which argument the diesel-electric propulsion system. And am sure S20 can also be fitted with AIP if requested for because of the modular design.

China will always give you what you want as long as you have the money.

Although am not sure the improved kilo class submarine and type 209 submarines have such.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:11pm On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:
I've been seeing airforce and naval guys here in Jos with the new woodland camouflage but I've not seen any wit the desert camouflage yet. Does anyone have the pics of the new desert camouflage?


It's not new. Look up this page, the desert cammo those Airforce guys carrying the Tavor-21 are wearing.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:14pm On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:


TYPE 041are fitted with AIP. And am sure S20 can also be fitted with AIP if requested for. China will always give you what you want as long as you have the money.

Although am not sure the improved kilo class submarine and type 209 submarines have such.

Is the investment worth it for Nigeria?

A couple more Corvettes and maybe a new frigate or two would see allot more service than some subs.

IMO, subs are just a cherry on top... a treat you buy yourself when you believe you have everything else you need. They are massively expensive to operate because of all the infrastructure and human expertise you need to build and acquire to operate them... if RSA had not had the experience and infrastructure to carry over from the daphne class submarines there is no way we would have been able to get the Type 209's,

Reminder: The Thai Navy (who operate a carrier) assesed the Song Class and concluded that they would not have the resources to operate one.

But, if Nigeria was dead-set on getting subs, buying some midgets would be a good way to start on the long road.

Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:17pm On Mar 02, 2016
agaugust:


[s]O brother Patches please stop stop stop ALL THESE LIES, please.

Badger IFV/Patria AMV have never seen war action anywhere, the Green Demon of Afghanistan war is the KTO Rosomak M3 a very differently empowered variant with ANTI-RPG NET protection, polish COMPOSITE ARMOUR protection and 40MM AUTOMATIC GRENADE LAUNCHER as offensive area weapon....your Badger IFV has no composite armour and no auto grenade area weapon.

Please stop loading lies upon lies on this thread, pleeeeaaase stop it Patches !!![/s]

I am not croat.

Please stop this childishness.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 12:18pm On Mar 02, 2016
iblawi:


I think we can gain a lot from having midget submarines now. They cost roughly 50 million euros. They are not really that expensive

It isn't the cost that's the problem, we can very well afford them. I'm talking priorities. As things stand, Subs aren't a naval priority at this point.


Our surface fleet has to be recapitalised. Frigates, Corvettes and FAC. Then we can go for Subs.


1 Frigate

3 Corvettes

6 missile Fast Attack Crafts.


This is our current requirement. We need to quit buying patrol ships, the Navy already sails enough of them. We literally have hundreds of patrol vessels, OPVs, MPVs, IPVs, Inshore patrol boats. This should stop.
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 12:22pm On Mar 02, 2016
Henry240:


It isn't the cost that's the problem, we can very well afford them. I'm talking priorities. As things stand, Subs aren't a naval priority at this point.


Our surface fleet has to be recapitalised. Frigates, Corvettes and FAC. Then we can go for Subs.


1 Frigate

3 Corvettes

6 missile Fast Attack Crafts.


This is our current requirement.

1 frigate does not make sense, IMO

You need at least 3 to get decent operational levels going (one operational at any one time)

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