BlaqCoffee109:
..oh well, discuss for some other time... my personal take on this past life is... not everyone has a past life.. secondlythe people who did probably were not done with a particular task... thirdly, we already existed in the thought of GOD... passing through this earth plane is the fulfilment of that thought

Not everyone has a past life...you're right.
Some people can never relate to this no matter what. But I feel I've been here before....not everyone has to feel that way.

stevecantrell:


In that case, the advantage is even greater. You spend the first 15 years of your life learning how to be a person in a world like this and by the time your 20 you realise you really haven't learned anything at all...but what is the age of your soul ?

Do you know where your soul has been ? the wonderful things it has experienced before coming here ?

Your soul (pre birth) has acquired more knowledge than microcosm that is earth.

But here you are, struggling with day to day mundane earthly issues. If you had access to such knowledge of what you truly are would you struggle for anything at all ?

Think about it ?

so what weird things are there about you.. got a couple? anybody hereon like that? LoJ, Bigfrancis21?

stevecantrell:


Not everyone has a past life...you're right.
Some people can never relate to this no matter what. But I feel I've been here before....not everyone has to feel that way.

Yeah, I know... I know...i feel you on that

stevecantrell:


In that case, the advantage is even greater. You spend the first 15 years of your life learning how to be a person in a world like this and by the time your 20 you realise you really haven't learned anything at all...but what is the age of your soul ?

Do you know where your soul has been ? the wonderful things it has experienced before coming here ?

Your soul (pre birth) has acquired more knowledge than microcosm that is earth.

But here you are, struggling with day to day mundane earthly issues. If you had access to such knowledge of what you truly are would you struggle for anything at all ?

Think about it ?

If only I could do that, I'd have an advantage.

But if everyone else can do that also, where's my advantage.

That's my question.

jayriginal:


If only I could do that, I'd have an advantage.

But if everyone else can do that also, where's my advantage.

That's my question.

But I said, if YOU could do that while OTHERS Could not. YOU WOULD have an astronomical an unfair advantage over the rest. Check it, I said it.

bigfrancis21:


You were right in most of what you said. However, for the danger of hypnosis which you mentioned as meeting astral beings, well actually in hypnosis your soul does not leave your body to access the akashic records but instead you are taken deep down to your subconscious memory to access these memories buried deep within your subconsciousness. Thus, there is no possibility of meeting astral beings during a hypnosis. This is possible, however, during an out of body experience (OBE) where the soul consciously leaves the body temporarily and returns after.

Hello Mr Bigfrancis21, how are u great man? You know all the respect I have for you.

With respect to what I said, I never said you can "meet" any entity via hypnosis. I only said you are exposed to dangers and their influence. There is no need to leave the body to be influenced by them.

As you surely know, in full day consciousness we are naturally protected from any attempt from wicked beings. Provided we live in accord with the laws of God, in love and righteousness, they can at worst tempt us, but never reach us, as we are greatly protected. It is true regardless of age religion sex or location.

However, in a provoked or artificial trance, this natural protection is in part weakened, and we are exposed to great dangers. Some of those spirit can with more ease speak to us, lure or deceive us. It is truer for those with little or no spiritual development. Therein lie the danger, of which I was speaking.

This equally true for provoked soul travels, and others similar attempts. We should focus on spiritual development, and as we are doing that, we will naturally and safely learn to soul travel, have access to the Akashic records, and other things. The problem is, today people do no longer want to develop spiritual and cast aside evil from their heart. They are looking for shortcuts to spirituality.

Of course whatever I say is no gospel truth. Everyone is welcome to reject my opinion, or intuitively examine it with the antennae of God which is in our hearts.

I wish you blessing Bigfrancis21.

bigfrancis21:
I am not a Christian. I consider myself a spiritual person.

You have spoken well and most of your words worth emulating. However, in view of your spiritual understanding any deep thinker will shrink back considering the irony in your assertion that you "are not a christian".

A "christian" in the truest sense is a person who possesses the real knowledge of CHRIST'S teaching; a person who lives according to the true teaching of CHRIST, not merely a church goer, for JESUS CHRIST himself did not intend to bring any religion on earth.
And i see that you are on the right line base on your write up.

A muslim, pagan etc can be a christian as long as he lives according to the teaching of CHRIST (love your neighbor as yourself) even if he had not known that the bible exist.

Therefore, don't shy away from calling yourself a christian.

ezebrain:
...

my Brother Ezebrain . How are you? I thought you left the forum. I used to read some of your posts in the thread on the Grail message. I trust all is well.

I wish that all that is purest and noblest meet your way.

BlaqCoffee109:
Yeah, I know... I know...i feel you on that

But on a more disturbing note, when you have these kind of experiences, it can be considered a sign of contamination in your bloodline.

If you were dedicated or your ancestor was dedicated to any strange deity these things become a part of you - I mean paranormal experiences like strange dreams etc.

Osun goddess gives children to the barren. Do you think these children are like your basic human kid ? Lol !
If anyone in your family tree was "given" as a child to their parents, you can expect the effects to last generations.

You need deliverance....mermaid lady

stevecantrell:


But I said, if YOU could do that while OTHERS Could not. YOU WOULD have an astronomical an unfair advantage over the rest. Check it, I said it.

Yes you did. There's no disputing that. However it ignores the fact that people are born more or less equally and therefore if one person can do it, so also will others be able to do it, therebye negating the advantage. The few who may for some reason or the other be unable to do it, would be regarded as "slow" (I don't want to use the R word).

jayriginal:


Yes you did. There's no disputing that. However it ignores the fact that people are born more or less equally and therefore if one person can do it, so also will others be able to do it, therebye negating the advantage. The few who may for some reason or the other be unable to do it, would be regarded as "slow" (I don't want to use the R word).

You're getting the idea.
But I never tried make it seem like it is something like a conscious procedure, it would be a gift. In fact those who could achieve such would be considered freaks.

stevecantrell:


You're getting the idea.
But I never tried make it seem like it is something like a conscious procedure, it would be a gift. In fact those who could achieve such would be considered freaks.

Man I got the idea since yesterday. What I'm saying is that it's not special if everybody has it.

Yes, if one were to obtain such abilities one would certainly not be normal. I think it's time to quit the back and forth. We've reached a convenient point to stop and shake hands.

Have a nice day Sir.

jayriginal:


Man I got the idea since yesterday. What I'm saying is that it's not special if everybody has it.

Yes, if one were to obtain such abilities one would certainly not be normal. I think it's time to quit the back and forth. We've reached a convenient point to stop and shake hands.

Have a nice day Sir.

Most definitely. Of course we have !
Nice chatting with u.
Cheerio.

PraiseDLord:

You are simply confused and possed by a terrible demon. You need to be delivered urgently by the supreme power of Jesus before you lost it eternally. Honestly!

Although I'm not particularly interested in the OP's position, these questions always bring out the believers.
Why O why are Christians so mortally terrified of absolutely everything??
You'd think they believe in Satan more than Yahweh

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bigfrancis21:
It is very common to hear of life after death stories but much less heard are life before birth memories or stories. It comes very surprising to many of you to learn that life did exist before your birth on earth. There exists a few percentage of people on earth who partially or fully remember their existence in the afterlife and making preparations to come to earth. Often, many babies and young toddlers, at a tender age and lacking the vocabulary of an adult to express their memories, have this memory with them which they lose as they grow older due to the 'veil of forgetfulness' and as earth experiences replace them. The veil of forgetfulness is a spiritual veil placed over a soul as it departs the afterlife to fuse with its earthly body to prevent remembrance of life in the afterlife (the pleasures of life in the afterlife compared to earth, especially if that soul is going to have a tough earth life) and also past lives (more useful if a soul has had an unpleasant past life). However, some children do not lose this memory as they grow into adulthood and are still able to retain memories of an existence before coming to earth. We all chose to come to earth to live at this time out of our own volition (free will) for the soul advancement that earth life brings. Before departing for our current life, we chose our life circumstances that would provide us the maximum soul growth possible in this life time.

Life on earth is a cycle of lessons and improvement and everyone agrees that the soul is immortal, meaning that it never dies but is merely recycled from life to life. If the soul is immortal, does it not follow that it existed before this current life on earth? Mind you, the immortality of the soul does not begin after you die in this current life, your soul IS already immortal (never 'died' before) and is only experiencing another small facet of earthly experience in the unending life of the soul. Religion, more especially organized religion, barely teach these basic soul knowledge. Christianity today is only but a watered down version of what it was intended to be. Jesus Christ preached in details, as seen from the gospel of Peter, gospel of Thomas, gospel of Bartholomew, gospel of Nathan, gospel of Mary Magdalene etc. also known as the Gnostic Gospels, written by the disciples of Jesus who directly walked with him, listened and heard from him speak first hand, about life before birth, karma, life after death, male-female energy balancing, re-incarnation etc. You don't find these topics in the Christianity of today as the early church fathers and the council of nicea in 325 organized the bible (selective adoption of what books and doctrines to be edited and included in the bible and those to be removed) into what it is today. True Christianity is found in the Gnostic Gospels (http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html)where you learn of the true teachings of Jesus Christ. To let you know, I am not a Christian. I consider myself a spiritual person.

Some of you may be asking, why does a soul choose to have a tough earthly life instead of a an easy one? Or why do some people on earth have easier lives and some other people a much tougher life? The main reason being that tougher lives have more lessons for the soul to learn than easier one, depending on how much toughness the soul can handle to avoid its physical brain from going mentally astray while in the body. Many mentally challenged people today are as a result of an overestimation of how much they could handle while they were preparing for earth life. By planning our earthly lives and placing tough life circumstances here and there over the course of the life time, we are ensuring that we maximize our learning potential during that life time and to avoid wasting an entire lifetime learning nothing. Tough circumstances help to keep the journeying soul focused on the more important aspects of coming to earth and to prevent being carried away by earthly distractions. In addition, the more advanced the soul is, the more likely it is able to retain its memories or tap into its subconscious memories.

I have always remembered portions of my pre-birth experience till today which I will share below. I have withheld some bits of it as they are private to me but shared most of it. Most of my memories are of the last moments before leaving for earth. I remember being in a row sort of with other souls planning to leave for earth and I remember being told we were the pioneers of the purpose for which we were going for. We were going to be the first batch and other batches would follow later. All the way to the back and part of the 'briefing' were the souls to be our mothers (to give birth to us) on earth. These souls also had a role or connection to play in our life purpose. I remember thinking to myself that I was glad to be among the first wave of those being sent to earth for this purpose. I also knew my mom would not last long on earth (I forgot this for a while and suddenly remembered again one day during meditation that I knew it was supposed to happen and that her life had been planned that way) and that I would play a great role in her life while she was alive. Next scene I remember is looking into a screen sort of and seeing clips of this my current life from beginning to end. I knew beforehand how my life was going to play out. At this point I chose my path differently (which for the sake of my privacy, I'll leave out here) and I remember a being standing next to me (my spiritual guide. We all have one) telling me that earth people would not understand with the lots of misunderstanding going on and I responded back that yes they earth people would not understand but little would they know that it is indeed a glorious path to take. My mind was made up and I was not changing it. Next, I knew I was going to forget ever being there while on earth and back in the afterlife it is regarded highly if a soul is able to remember its origins while on earth and I made efforts to impress memories of what I was experiencing in my memory and told myself I would not forget where I come from.

As a child of 3 or 4 years or so, I remember thinking to myself that I could not wait to grow up to begin what I came for. I also remember thinking that I am glad I delayed a little bit before 'pushing' out of my mom's womb or else I would have been born out of wedlock. My mom later confirmed with me that I was overdue and born 2 weeks late and my actual birth period co-incided with my parents' wedding. My parents got married just 2 weeks before I was born. Fast forward to 14 years later, while on the internet one day I stumbled across an article confirming exactly what I had experienced during the 'briefing' and that the souls of these briefing have been termed 'crystal children' with the first wave of crystals born at around the beginning of the 90s and the second wave around early 2000s. Having no one to talk to about my memories, I was glad I found that article which confirmed my pre-birth memory. The first set of crystals are today young adults in their early and mid 20s. Several times I have seen my aura (a magnificent glow of colour (s) around us that indicate our level of spiritual growth) and it was crystalline clear and bright (typical of crystal children). As exactly as I was shown in that screen, my life has played out so far the way I saw it and I have been carrying out my life purpose ever since. Also, as we speak, I know how many years left I have on earth and how my death is going to occur. As for my life purpose,

Deja Vus or feelings of familiarity of 'seeing' certain life events before or places are basically memories of watching our prospective lives in the afterlife, memories buried deep in our subconscious and deja vus are there to gently remind us of our immortal existence (we are not of this earth) and the evanescence or transience of life (the short time we have to spend here). All my life I have experienced Deja Vus a lot and each time it happens I tell myself, 'oh I remember seeing this part of my life on that screen', one profound memory being when I was in JSS 1, I standing up in class and staring outside and suddenly remembered watching that same scene in the screen in the afterlife but as an outsider. We are not our bodies by chance but instead souls on a physical journey on earth. 80 years of earth life seems like a second or blink of an eye in the afterlife.

I am sharing this memory to encourage those who may have pre-birth memories to share theirs as well and to raise awareness to people that life did not start at birth and it continues long after death. There are much more spiritual truths that cannot be found in most organized religions and as the journeying soul advances in soul growth, there comes a time it outgrows its need for religion.

Peace.

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They have a word for this; pseudo-science

stevecantrell:


Not everyone has a past life...you're right.
Some people can never relate to this no matter what. But I feel I've been here before....not everyone has to feel that way.

And of course your 'feelings' started right after you learnt about incarnation, right?

ezebrain:


You have spoken well and most of your words worth emulating. However, in view of your spiritual understanding any deep thinker will shrink back considering the irony in your assertion that you "are not a christian".

A "christian" in the truest sense is a person who possesses the real knowledge of CHRIST'S teaching; a person who lives according to the true teaching of CHRIST, not merely a church goer, for JESUS CHRIST himself did not intend to bring any religion on earth.
And i see that you are on the right line base on your write up.

A muslim, pagan etc can be a christian as long as he lives according to the teaching of CHRIST (love your neighbor as yourself) even if he had not known that the bible exist.

Therefore, don't shy away from calling yourself a christian.

Today's meaning and interpretation of Christian has changed and for this meaning I do not identify as a Christian going by today's standards of definition. I get what you mean by saying, true Christian. Maybe when the definition changes or the world grows to accept different meanings of Christian. For this reason I identify as spiritual instead, not Christian. Moreover, as a child of the universe one needs not unnecessary name tags to identify oneself. Thus, it doesn't matter if i identify as Christian or not. The growth of the soul is what matters.

vooks:

And of course your 'feelings' started right after you learnt about incarnation, right?

BUZZ !! You have now been disqualified...GAME OVER.

stevecantrell:


Yes I know it doesn't stick well with many pentecostals.

But they're many arguments that have Jesus talking about re-incarnation in the gospels.

For example, the disciples asked Jesus if a certain man was crippled as a result of his "father's sin". Some take that to be a euphemism for reincarnation.

Jews all over the world believe in reincarnation. A popular saying amon them : "A man without children is already dead".

Again, Jesus never took up any scribes or scholars on the subject, rejecting or condemning it.

But In Hebrews, Saint Paul asserts that "it is appointed for man to die once..." And that is where the controversy lie.

This is exactly where the gnostic gospels come into the question, being the gospels holding Jesus teachings and gospels in their true form. In these gospels, Jesus taught about reincarnation, karma, life before death, male-female energy balancing (the need for a soul to balance its male and female energies. For example, a soul who has predominantly reincarnated on earth as a female would be predominantly feminine in energy and would need to balance its energy with a male energy by reincarnating on earth a couple of times as a male to balance that off. And vice versa. This in part explains homosexuality and why we have feminine-acting males and masculine-acting females. I will write more on this and energy balancing later) etc. - many of such topics not taught in conventional Christianity of today. The books of the bible representing Christianity today were selectively hand-picked and projected onto the masses by the early church fathers, forming the basis of what is known as Christianity today. It would surprise you to learn that many of Jesus disciples wrote gospels - gospel of bartholomew, gospel of Philip, gospel of Mary Magdalene, gospel of Thomas etc. To pick up in the true Christianity as Jesus had intended, one would need to study the gnostic gospels. Gnostic comes from the Greek word meaning 'knowledge' and early propenents and disciples of gnosis believed that 'salvation' out of the cycle of life, death and reincarnation in earth was by knowledge, and applying the principles of spiritual knowledge. The early church fathers believed instead that salvation was by 'faith' alone in the 'messiah'. There was conflict between these 2 sects and those who did not agree with the beliefs of the early church were deemed heretics, thus gnostic believers were deemed heretics and many of their books confiscated and burned. Some of these books were, however, preserved by being buried in the earth faraway from the early church fathers in Egypt and were rediscovered in the 1930s.

Coincidentally 2000 years after, the knowledge of the gnostic gospels are being passed onto earth through experiences such as NDEs, people with pre birth memories who grow up to tell those on earth about life on the other side, etc.

LoJ:

my Brother Ezebrain . How are you? I thought you left the forum. I used to read some of your posts in the thread on the Grail message. I trust all is well.

I wish that all that is purest and noblest meet your way.

All is well my bros, sometimes one needs to face the battle of life while keeping other things aside.

I wish you strength too.

LoJ:

Hello Mr Bigfrancis21, how are u great man? You know all the respect I have for you.

With respect to what I said, I never said you can "meet" any entity via hypnosis. I only said you are exposed to dangers and their influence. There is no need to leave the body to be influenced by them.

As you surely know, in full day consciousness we are naturally protected from any attempt from wicked beings. Provided we live in accord with the laws of God, in love and righteousness, they can at worst tempt us, but never reach us, as we are greatly protected. It is true regardless of age religion sex or location.

However, in a provoked or artificial trance, this natural protection is in part weakened, and we are exposed to great dangers. Some of those spirit can with more ease speak to us, lure or deceive us. It is truer for those with little or no spiritual development. Therein lie the danger, of which I was speaking.

This equally true for provoked soul travels, and others similar attempts. We should focus on spiritual development, and as we are doing that, we will naturally and safely learn to soul travel, have access to the Akashic records, and other things. The problem is, today people do no longer want to develop spiritual and cast aside evil from their heart. They are looking for shortcuts to spirituality.

Of course whatever I say is no gospel truth. Everyone is welcome to reject my opinion, or intuitively examine it with the antennae of God which is in our hearts.

I wish you blessing Bigfrancis21.

I truly get where you're coming from and you did an excellent job at your response to blaqcoffee. However, the consciousness level of the state of hypnosis would not be different from the state we are in when asleep or even meditating. Billions of humans sleep everyday and very little or no possessions occur during our sleep. Now, regardless of one's state of consciousness or not, one's level of soul growth determines how easily one can be possessed or influenced by an external entity or not. In other words, the higher the level of one's spiritual development, the lower the possibility of being influenced by external beings. Now this brings us to the topic of auras. An aura surrounds every living person and are easily seen by souls or spirits and needs special training by the human eyes to be seen. Every living person has an aura and the color and intensity of someone's aura indicates the level that person's growth. The stronger your aura, the less chances of an astral being of lower energy chancing upon your way or influencing you. And the weaker one's aura is, the higher the chances of astral influence. I would still later write a topic on this issue.

I totally understand what you mean and the points you've made but the possibility of astral influence really lies on the level of one's spiritual growth and much less on the state of consciousness of someone.

Be blessed.

bigfrancis21:


This is exactly where the gnostic gospels come into the question, being the gospels holding Jesus teachings and gospels in their true form. In these gospels, Jesus taught about reincarnation, karma, life before death, male-female energy balancing (the need for a soul to balance its male and female energies. For example, a soul who has predominantly reincarnated on earth as a female would be predominantly feminine in energy and would need to balance its energy with a male energy by reincarnating on earth a couple of times as a male to balance that off. And vice versa. This in part explains homosexuality and why we have feminine-acting males and masculine-acting females. I will write more on this and energy balancing later) etc. - many of such topics not taught in conventional Christianity of today. The books of the bible representing Christianity today were selectively hand-picked and projected onto the masses by the early church fathers, forming the basis of what is known as Christianity today. It would surprise you to learn that many of Jesus disciples wrote gospels - gospel of bartholomew, gospel of Philip, gospel of Mary Magdalene, gospel of Thomas etc. To pick up in the true Christianity as Jesus had intended, one would need to study the gnostic gospels. Gnostic comes from the Greek word meaning 'knowledge' and early propenents and disciples of gnosis believed that 'salvation' out of the cycle of life, death and reincarnation in earth was by knowledge, and applying the principles of spiritual knowledge. The early church fathers believed instead that salvation was by 'faith' alone in the 'messiah'. There was conflict between these 2 sects and those who did not agree with the beliefs of the early church were deemed heretics, thus gnostic believers were deemed heretics and many of their books confiscated and burned. Some of these books were, however, preserved by being buried in the earth faraway from the early church fathers in Egypt and were rediscovered in the 1930s.

Coincidentally 2000 years after, the knowledge of the gnostic gospels are being passed onto earth through experiences such as NDEs, people with pre birth memories who grow up to tell those on earth about life on the other side, etc.

Yes, yes. But I've always wanted to someone to tell me; Where do we draw the thin line between gnosticism and the occult ?

You know they're a lot of gnostics out there pretending to be of the occult and many occultic persons pretending to be gnostics.

stevecantrell:


But on a more disturbing note, when you have these kind of experiences, it can be considered a sign of contamination in your bloodline.

If you were dedicated or your ancestor was dedicated to any strange deity these things become a part of you - I mean paranormal experiences like strange dreams etc.

Osun goddess gives children to the barren. Do you think these children are like your basic human kid ? Lol !
If anyone in your family tree was "given" as a child to their parents, you can expect the effects to last generations.

You need deliverance....mermaid lady

i am no mermaid... I am of The Light... this is not about marine possession or any of those b. s...

BlaqCoffee109:
i am no mermaid... I am of The Light... this is not about marine possession or any of those b. s...

Marine Checklist (paraphrased)


1. Do you eat in dreams,eg beans, yam, banga soup ?

2. Do you have meetings with strange people while awake or sleeping

3. Do you receive strange gifts from people you barely know

4. Do you feel like Wonder woman sometimes, you know, like you got super powers. Like an amazon

5. Do you experience adventures to strange unfamiliar places while dreaming

BONUS

Do you surf nairaland after 2am ?


NB. I made up the bonus question.

stevecantrell:


Marine Checklist (paraphrased)


1. Do you eat in dreams,eg beans, yam, banga soup ?

2. Do you have meetings with strange people while awake or sleeping

3. Do you receive strange gifts from people you barely know

4. Do you feel like Wonder woman sometimes, you know, like you got super powers. Like an amazon

5. Do you experience adventures to strange unfamiliar places while dreaming

BONUS

Do you surf nairaland after 2am ?


NB. I made up the bonus question.

... ...your bonus question... yes...4 and 5 I can relate to...

BlaqCoffee109:
... ...your bonus question... yes...4 and 5 I can relate to...

Then you're the woman from Atlantis...

Wow, deep stuff.

I was a man in my past life and I lived to a very ripe old age.

Ishilove:
Wow, deep stuff.

I was a man in my past life and I lived to a very ripe old age.

...you had some eggplant between your thighs girl?!

stevecantrell:

Then you're the woman from Atlantis...

nope! hey Steve how's it going?

I dont knw wat to call dis mayb u guys can help. I may be sumwhere wit my friends chillin, and sumtin will just trigger my memory dat i av been here bfor. The funny tin is i will predict d next tin to happen wch will be so, dou i didnt tell anyone abt it, dont wanna luk insane to dem

johnwizey:
I dont knw wat to call dis mayb u guys can help. I may be sumwhere wit my friends chillin, and sumtin will just trigger my memory dat i av been here bfor. The funny tin is i will predict d next tin to happen wch will be so, dou i didnt tell anyone abt it, dont wanna luk insane to dem

This sounds familiar. Do you often have flashes of memories of another lifetime? Or is your memory more of Deja Vu?

bigfrancis21:


This sounds familiar. Do you often have flashes of memories of another lifetime? Or is your memory more of Deja Vu?

I think it is more of Deja Vu cos i dont av any memories of anoda lifetym