RUBBISH!

The south africans ain't no girl scouts

You guys should lay off agaugust

ALL the south africans always gang up against agaugust and any nigerian with a superior argument.

They are never impartial arbiters

As an impartial observer, i have watched as the south africans here have started nonsensical arguments and consistent LIES abusing and denigrating Nigeria and agaugust just to appear superior

Well, newsflash, they aren't

If agaugust tells them the truth occasionally and it deflates their ego, well good riddance to bad rubbish

Just because some of us keep quiet doesn't mean we aren't seeing what is going on here

M14A1:

You are neither giving analysis or making decent contributions 80% of the time. Your post always reeks of hatred and disdain towards the South Africans, thereby attracting retorts in similar manner from them, and the cycle keeps going. I honestly don't care if you post Syrian or Middle East related issues here, just be civil.

africaken254:
rate of fire - 6-12 projectiles per minute depending on version. First 3 rounds fire in 20 seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52

I try to avoid using Wiki

Nothing stoping some over zealous Serb from beefing up the stats for his national pride

rugged7:
RUBBISH!

The south africans ain't no girl scouts

You guys should lay off agaugust

ALL the south africans always gang up against agaugust and any nigerian with a superior argument.

They are never impartial arbiters

As an impartial observer, i have watched as the south africans here have started nonsensical arguments and consistent LIES abusing and denigrating Nigeria and agaugust just to appear superior

Well, newsflash, they aren't

If agaugust tells them the truth occasionally and it deflates their ego, well good riddance to bad rubbish

Just because some of us keep quiet doesn't mean we aren't seeing what is going on here

You are aware that it is Nigerians who are telling augustine to stop?

Nigeria COIN/CTCOIN

Nigerian Navy

At @ViceAdmiral
Didn't they say that they aren't recruiting this year?

Nigerian Navy COIN

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africaken254:
rate of fire - 6-12 projectiles per minute depending on version. First 3 rounds fire in 20 seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_B-52

so what version does kenya army have ,also where is it indicate ?

Patchesagain:


I try to avoid using Wiki

Nothing stoping some over zealous Serb from beefing up the stats for his national pride

so what about a south african trying also to brag about spec to sell some G-6 !

rugged7:
RUBBISH!

What sort of human replies someone with "RUBBISH"
Have a great day

Henry240:
Nigeria COIN/CTCOIN

1st pic, is that a browning?

africaken254:
so what about a south african trying also to brag about spec to sell some G-6 !

Thats why i wouldnt post stats from wiki. They are unreliable.

Also, the G6 doesn't need my help to get sold

Patchesagain:


You are aware that it is Nigerians who are telling augustine to stop?

patches, is not because you are right and agagust is wrong but because we feel 2 wrongs will never make things right. If we can talk to august I think is proper for other south Africans to talk to you too.

Patches you are involved in 90% of the derailment on thread. So you Should be warned too.

iblawi:
patches, is not because you are right and agagust is wrong but because we feel 2 wrongs will never make things right. If we can talk to august I think is proper for other south Africans to talk to you too.

Patches you are involved in 90% of the derailment on thread. So you Should be warned too.

When and where have I derailed the thread?

I have yet to post anything that is intended to provoke anyone.

africaken254:
so what about a south african trying also to brag about spec to sell some G-6 !

here is a good write up for the G6
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/

And here you can find a good head to head comparison for the Nora and Rhino
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/g6_rhino.htm

Imo, its no contest - G6 has better range (gun) and mobility (road range), better armor (rated to 20mm on frontal arc) and carries more onboard ammunition. And the cherry on top is that unlike the Nora is a battle-proven design.

But read for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Ps: Fascinating to see all the SPG designs coming out of the Balkans; the Zuzana, Diana, Nora, Dana, Dana CZ, EVA

All I'm saying is, let us respect each other's opinion, discuss in the peace and harmony that would allow us enjoy this thread without hatred, bigotry, just self respect. We can't agree with each other's opinion but we can all ways discuss and then agree to disagree.


It's not too much to ask.

M14A1:
1st pic, is that a browning?

Yeah, a Browning.

Henry240:
All I'm saying is, let us respect each other's opinion, discuss in the peace and harmony that would allow us enjoy this thread without hatred, bigotry, just self respect. We can't agree with each other's opinion but we can all ways discuss and then agree to disagree.


It's not too much to ask.

Remeber when you called me a "ret.arded artist" for using the red lettering back in the day in the other thread

SA Army formation has a new Cheif - and hells bells but he has had one heck of a Career

Yam was the General Officer Commanding SA Army Infantry Formation from 1 November 2011.

- He joined Umkhonto weSizwe in 1981 where he receive training in Angola and gained experienced as a combat action platoon commander in the Eastern Front.

- In 1982, he was appointed as platoon commander and drill instructor.

- In 1984, he was wounded in action and spent time recuperating in Yugoslavia.

- During 1987, he completed the urban and rural warfare training and company commanders’ course in East Germany.

- On his return to Angola, he served as a company and base battalion commander in Caculama, a company commander in the Northern Front, an instructor in tactics (battle handling) at the MK Training Centre Richard Barney Molokoane in Culcalama as well as a company commander and a battalion commander.

- He opened a base in Tanzania from where he was sent to infiltrate South Africa and where he later became the Regional Commander of the Border Region.

- In 1993/1994, Yam completed the Junior Command and Staff Course in Ghana

- In 1994 he was integrated into the SANDF with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. He was the first member of the Non-statutory Forces to become an officer commanding when he was appointed as the Officer Commanding of 13 SA Infantry Battalion in November 1994.

- In 1997, he was appointed as the Staff Officer Grade 1 Operations in Group 8, East London.

- In 1998, he completed the Senior Command and Staff Course and in 2000, the Executive National Security Programme (ENSP).

- He also completed a course in Defence Management at the University of the Witwatersrand.

- In 2000, he was appointed as the Officer Commanding Group 6 in Port Elizabeth with 22 military units under his command.

Algerian air force ! Su 30 MKA

patches689:


here is a good write up for the G6
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/

And here you can find a good head to head comparison for the Nora and Rhino
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/g6_rhino.htm

Imo, its no contest - G6 has better range (gun) and mobility (road range), better armor (rated to 20mm on frontal arc) and carries more onboard ammunition. And the cherry on top is that unlike the Nora is a battle-proven design.

But read for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Ps: Fascinating to see all the SPG designs coming out of the Balkans; the Zuzana, Diana, Nora, Dana, Dana CZ, EVA

Operational-1,000 km (620 mi) , at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph)
range

48 shells on storage +12 shells on the auto loader = ?

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63xKg4qWTw

africaken254:


Operational-1,000 km (620 mi) , at a speed of 80 km/h (50 mph)
range

48 shells on storage +12 shells on the auto loader = ?

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63xKg4qWTw

Where did you get that from?

What I want to know is why we dont have any pics of the ones in service with the Kenyan Army... they supposedly have 30!

patches689:


Where did you get that from?

What I want to know is why we dont have any pics of the ones in service with the Kenyan Army... they supposedly have 30!

thats your home work today

patches689:


Remeber when you called me a "ret.arded artist" for using the red lettering back in the day in the other thread

that was because you were always painting your posts like a failed artist.

patches689:


Imo, its no contest - G6 has better range (gun) and mobility (road range).

That is all false information you posted.

Facts are:

G-6 road range 700 km
B-52 road range 1,000 km

G-6 Rhino firing range with base bleed shell = 39 km

B-52 Nora firing range with base bleed shell = 41 km

No army has V-LAP shell on Rhino in Africa. Also no army in the world has 52 calibire Rhino, only the 45 calibre is in service. Then according to SANDF official website, SANDF has only base bleed shells and their G-6 Rhino maximum range is officially published as 39 km.

B-52 Nora range is 41 km with base bleed and beats the G-6 Rhino

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/nora-b52-self-propelled-gun-howitzer/
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Patchesagain:


Where did you get your information from?

Max rate of fire: 6rpm
Range: 600km
max speed: 80-100kmph
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm

G6 remains top dog

12 rmp sustained rate of fire by B-52, automatic loader has 12 shells loaded for rapid salvo fire.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=701

B-52 is the new top dog in Africa with 20 years ahead of the G-6 technology

agaugust:


That's false information.

G-6 Rhino firing range with base bleed shell = 39 km

B-52 Nora firing range with base bleed shell = 41 km

No army has V-Lap shell in Africa. Also no army in the world has 52 calibire Rhino, only the 45 calibre is in service. Then according to SANDF officials SANDF has only base bleed shells and their G-6 Rhino maximum range is officially published as 39 km.

B-52 Nora range is 41 km with base bleed and beats the G-6 Rhino
.

Me not continuing this discussion is not me accepting what you are saying, not in the slightest. The topic as to the range of the GV6 has been dealt with conclusively on the other thread.

For informative puproses: South Africa manufactures VLAP ammunition.

In September 2001, the G6 achieved a range of 53.6km using the new velocity-enhanced long-range projectile (V-LAP) and the new M64 bi-modular charge system. V-LAP combines base bleed and rocket motor technology, while the M64 charge system increases muzzle velocity to 910m/s VLAP is part of Denel's new Assegai range of 155mm ammunition.

Rooikat being tested against a mine

Another Oryx hit by small arms fire.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42710:oryx-hit-by-small-arms-fire-in-drc-no-injuries&catid=124:military-helicopters&Itemid=282

patches689:


Me not continuing this discussion is not me accepting what you are saying, not in the slightest. The topic as to the range of the GV6 has been dealt with conclusively on the other thread.

For informative puproses: South Africa manufactures VLAP ammunition.

from the YUGOIMPORT website here is the link http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/155-mm-he-erfb-rabb-very-long-range-artillery-projectile-vlap-rocket-assistancebase-bleed

155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB very long range artillery projectile (VLAP-Rocket Assistance/Base Bleed)

The 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB (VLAP) projectile belongs to new generation of very long range artillery projectiles designed for importantly improving operational range performances of a modern towed and self-propelled 155 mm gun - howitzers with 39, 45 and 52 calibre barrel length. The projectile design combines rocket motor and base bleed units in single projectile. Hybrid rocked assisted/base bleed projectile is extending the operational range of 155mm gun-howitzers from 10+ km to more than 20 km in comparison with standard ERFB/BB projectiles, depending on the barrel length and charge used.
It complements existing HE, HE ERFB/BT and HE ERFB/BB ammunition systems providing greater ranges, with no special training or logistic. 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB enables users to engage enemy targets at greater ranges, whilst being well beyond the range of their counter battery fire. It also enables long range harassment fire onto enemy logistic lines, forcing them to deploy an additional 10 - 20 kilometres from the front edge of the battle area. Its terminal effectiveness (blast and fragmentation) is due to smaller HE charge slightly different, but not importantly lower than HE ERFB/BB round.
Achieved results: 33% increase in range comparing to standard HE ERFB/BB base bleed projectiles (from 30.3 km to 40.8 km for 39-barrel systems and from 42 km to ~56 km with 52-barrel systems.
The unique projectile design enables simultaneously using of rocket propellant (by using of specially designed nozzles) and base bleed charges.
Projectile main characteristics:
Maximum range ~56km
Muzzle velocity ~925m/s
Rocket motor total impulse of : >6500 Ns
Rocket motor propellant charge weight: ~3 kg
Rocket motor specific impulse: >2170 Ns/kg
Projectile total weight: 48 kg
Projectile warhead section weight 30 kg

Screen Grap Kenya defence force documentary showing two 155 mm HE ERFB RA/BB very long range artillery projectile (VLAP-Rocket Assistance/Base Bleed) on a B-52 Nora auto loader.look below the KDF emblem on the photo