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Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by pyxon(m): 1:31pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Goke7: We might. Let him tar the roads first then we'll see whether the love will come naturally |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Twy: 1:45pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
onyi4edu: No he was not right, he is basically using an angle that is not supported by consensus. ICPC chairman is just trying to justify his jurisdictional power. Corrption in its purest form encompasses many things including social vices like prostitution and government stealing. However, public corruption in its purest form is the use of public resources for private gain. Check out a resonable website for public corruption. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/corruption/public-corruption-overview. That is just the basic definition that is not worldwide. Stealing by government officials is corruption because it is use of public resources for private gain which in turns destroy the ethics and purpose of effective governance hence corrupting the governance |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Twy: 1:49pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
hyelhira: Thanks, I did not see this, I think it is just the ongoing desecration of the Nigerian mind by Nigerians themselves for their own personal biases. Those are the consensus definition of corruption agreed by most. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by hornyman(m): 1:51pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Twy: Thanks a lot. You've said it all. Very on point. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by ozoemenaca: 2:22pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
APC Politicians and their Supporters are bunch of confused people. When GEJ mentioned the same thing they were all busy using that as a campaign tool though I don't blame them because one can be an educated illiterate on some issues. God Bless GEJ |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Amanwulu1(m): 2:24pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Pidggin:u thk say na play to read up to phd? He's more educated dan those abusing him. Did u see him coming up wit explanatn? It's cos he'd weighed educated illiterate nigerians IQ n found dem wanting hence d decision to leave dem to their delusion. 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Pidggin(f): 2:27pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Amanwulu1: Very true |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by jumobi1(m): 2:31pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Stealing falls under the umbrella of corruption. Corruption isn't stealing but stealing is corruption. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Opoki(m): 2:42pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Smh for Nigerians. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by brightnessDmed: 2:55pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
onyi4edu: I guess he wasn't able to explain what he meant |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Nbote(m): 3:22pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Goke7: last tym I checked, both the govt and d EFCC are yet to prove anything against him. They are even still yet to prove any of d loads of allegations dey came up with against anyone so far. So until then, it's all an illusion in ur paradise... |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Ghost447(m): 3:36pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
[quote author=Bluffly post=44033999] Common sense is allowed in Law which is why we have three types of rule, The golden rule, Mischief rule, Plain meaning/literal rule[/quote In other words we should apply common sense to define stealing or corruption? |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:38pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
rottennaija: That is one of the frightening development of nairaland. Due to the first to comment syndrome, people who have nothing to contribute flood the first page of the thread. To the topic. Corrupt in one word means dishonest. Any thing that falls under dishonest is corrupt. Stealing is dishonest and so it is corrupt. Even those who argue that Stealing is not corruption will agree that Embezzlement is corruption. Embezzlement means to STEAL money that you have been trusted with (Merriam-Webster) Please, Ekpo Nta, if you do not know, keep quiet because it is your type that confused GEJ. 2 Likes |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Bluffly: 3:43pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
[quote author=Ghost447 post=44038416][/quote] Which could be either Mischief or the literal rule |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:47pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Corrupt in one word means dishonest. Any thing that falls under dishonest is corrupt. Stealing is dishonest and so it is corrupt. Even those who argue that Stealing is not corruption will agree that Embezzlement is corruption. Embezzlement means to STEAL money that you have been trusted with (Merriam-Webster) cc: boboLIL, ckmayoca, onyi4edu, dlox147, generic, domopps, BLINGZ88, mackhunter77, udemzyudex, chukwukadibia10, chernest2002, babestella, pedrilo, sexyexcalibur, Agbalanze, Twy, ozoemenaca, yaki84 |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Goke7: 3:56pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Nbote: that is how you guys talk, but when these men are made to come to court to defend themselves, some of them run into hiding like tompolo, some fall sick like diezani, some say the judge is their classmate like metu, some have even ran away from Nigeria like former custom boss and others stop supporting corrupt people except you are one. 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Ghost447(m): 4:04pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Bluffly:I thought you have a particular rule of interpretation referred to as "common sense"? |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:37pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
pedrilo: Corruption = illicit Enrichment. Illicit = Illegal. Enrichment = Making rich. So is stealing not making yourself rich of something illegally? |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:39pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
989900: We are talking if stealing is corruption. From your write up above, it is clear stealing is corruption. It is only the Kwarupt who defend Kwarapshun. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by rottennaija(m): 4:39pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe: Your comment should have made front page. I'm sure most would be educated with it. 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by pedrilo: 4:40pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:u be mumu. I only typed "enrichment" |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by babestella: 4:41pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
genxris: That is why man of them fail WASC exams and even jamb. We can all see the result of their stew.pidi.ty. We have a roasted du.nce in power now. What a change. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by bellyjean(m): 5:15pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
He backed up his views with Articles 15 and 16 of UNCAC and sections 8, 9 and 10 of the ICPC Act. He listed what is considered as corruption under Article 19 of UNCAC and Section 19 of the ICPC Act as: illicit enrichment, trading in influence etc. Abeg, what is illicit enrichment? Abi how do one enrich himself if he doesn't steal or dip his hands into public funds?? We are just playing around word semantics. Whether you say Corruption = Stealing and that Stealing is not corruption, don't you give meaning to whatever you define? Both are punishable by law. Detractors should be ready to dance to the tunes of the law. Abeg wetin no good no good joor. 2 Likes |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by bellyjean(m): 5:15pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
He backed up his views with Articles 15 and 16 of UNCAC and sections 8, 9 and 10 of the ICPC Act. He listed what is considered as corruption under Article 19 of UNCAC and Section 19 of the ICPC Act as: illicit enrichment, trading in influence etc. Abeg, what is illicit enrichment? Abi how do one enrich himself illicitly if he doesn't steal or dip his hands into public funds?? We are just playing around word semantics. Whether you say Corruption = Stealing and that Stealing is not corruption, don't you give meaning to whatever you define? Both are punishable by law. Detractors should be ready to dance to the tunes of the law. Abeg wetin no good no good joor. 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Laid2001: 5:16pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
This Mumu even agreed that stealing is corruption when "He listed what is considered as corruption under Article 19 of UNCAC and Section 19 of the ICPC Act as: illicit enrichment, trading in influence etc." Isn't stealing an illicit enrichment!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by roolnaado(m): 5:36pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Ephemmm:by ur definition stealing of public funds is a part of corruption and not corruption |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by Ephemmm: 5:38pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
roolnaado: In other words, you are corrupt if you steal. 2 Likes |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by bakila: 5:41pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
Kingspin: Kingspin:The last President was still in power when the statement was made. It was not made during or by an ICPC head in the current government. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by ISpiksDaTroof: 5:42pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
dlox147:And when a Government Official steals from the Public Treasury what's that called? 1 Like |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:44pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
ISpiksDaTroof: KWARAPSHUN. |
Re: Stealing Is Not Corruption - Ekpo Nta, ICPC Boss by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:46pm On Mar 23, 2016 |
"Corruption is theft from the poor," warn the Bishops of the South African Catholic Bishops' Conference, SACBC (which brings together the Bishops of the South Africa, Swaziland and Botswana), in a pastoral letter dedicated to the scourge of corruption. "Money diverted into the pockets of corrupt people could have been spent on housing for the homeless, on medicine for the sick or for other needs," the Bishops said. http://aleteia.org/2013/10/16/corruption-is-theft-from-the-poor-denounce-the-bishops-of-southern-africa/ |
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