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dulux07:
Most students admitted into public uni are admitted based on politics not academic merit, the public uni sys of nowadays is nearly dead compared to d 90s, we all know this, only if we want to deceive ourselves. If a private sch student was that interested in going to a public sch, his 1yr sch fee in private uni, will buy his way into a public uni if he so desires.
Why do u tink u ve alot of young students in private uni, because most of them did not bother attempting universities living on past glories. They r no public reject.
Its the govt fault u suffer more not theirs.

Lol, actually most students in public uni are admitted based one merit. About 80%. The supplement lists candidates aren't even up to 20% of total admitted candidates.

femmy1992:
Same applies to ACCA and ICAN...

I dont see any correlation here.. Acca's control is not in Nigeria while that of Ican is in Nigeria. Unlike the discussions in this thread which is about private and public Universities IN NIGERIA.

Hhhhmmmm. Writeup makes sense and sums it all up.

lufemi:
The first thing to consider about private unis is that there is obviously no federal or state budget allocations; this means they have to generate funds internally. I will just go straight to the point using CU as my case study;

Source for funds; I know that CU generates everything within the school from student fees. I find it absurd that we can even compare them with federal schools. The first point to note is that the overall school student population is about 7000.

1.Generation of power: Most private school have electricity generated through out the night everyday for halls of residence and for CU includes 24 hours at weekends, of course, for this to be sustainable a lot of power has to be generated for the thousands of laptops plugged, the irons and cooking. Also note that for CU, the departments always have light at any time of the day either the PHCN cooperates or not. There are also internet facilities in all the areas of the school.IT enthusiast will agree that this will be an expensive infrastructure to maintain

2.Construction Projects: The new senate building is valued at 353million naira (http://www.dutumgroup.com/project/senate-building-of-covenant-university/), and in the last two years, CU had about 3 major constructions like such

3.Maintenance and Payment of staffs: All the workers have to be paid. CU is swept daily and every part of the school is included and toilets are also washed on daily basis. For any major event in the school, the hole school will be cleaned before 10am the next morning, you can imagine the manpower. You also can imagine the amount that will be paid to these workers including security men and lecturers. Will all these amount fall from the sky?

Hence, to whom much is given, much is expected. With all these things in place with the fact that the lecturers are mandated to teach and you are examined on what is taught as it is done in every normal setting in the world, there is no reason for hardworking students not to be rewarded. Also, the system is transparent and this makes it easy for you to seek for re-appraisal of your grades.

I would just like to say that the corrosion in the public sector should not be something to celebrate. We all deserve fair operation in the institution. The truth remains that either private unis are hated or loved, they are here to stay and they are getting the job done. So there is really no joy in boasting about how hard it is to get a first class in your uni. Every other part of the world rewards diligence. When it comes down to it,out of 200 first class candidates across 25 universities considered for Presidential Special Scholarship Scheme for Innovation and Development, 9 came from CU which is the highest number from a school and they topped a year before also (http://campusportalng.com/cu/covenant-university-graduates-tops-presidential-scholarship-scheme/16550/#ixzz45STeL3bW).

Call it any name you want, these schools are making progress in their short time of being around. I am sure I missed some other vital points , I just felt issues like this should be addressed.

I added some pictures of Covenant University(CU) below

Draxler:
The private schools abroad are extremely old. Harvard university was founded in 1636. How old are our private universities?

Is your point enough reason to give my child a low quality education even if I'm "well to do" and pay so huge? It's business, if they can't give me quality, I mean quality, then, it's wasteful.

haibe:
In this same covenant university u are mentioning, they pick our lecturers from public schools. An example is prof omolehinwa from unilag and Dr Mrs ajibolade. covenant university seek the service of this two in the accounting dept. So whats the fuse about insinuating that private unis get better education than public uni?

Like I said in a previous thread, if most people in pvt Universities got admitted into a public uni, they would dump the idea of the pvt uni, except of course they want a good grade by all means, they then result to pvt uni where that is easier. But I still believe private schools are better, whats the point of suffering in a public school and not getting what u deserve, when u could actually go to a private school and get what u deserve.

All in all, the type of school we went to doesn't determine our success, its our passion, skill and believe.!!

You mean they kidnap them or they employ them at gun point? Don't public schools employ private uni grads too? You guys are pathetic in reasoning.

joseph1832:
OP I'll have you know that going to school is a 2 way project. You go to school and the school go through you. You guys in private uni only go to school. There are many things being in tertiary institution entail, I see no reason why a student will be doctored and monitored and be told what to do, and what not to do. It negates the very thought of freedom.

would you rather the school goes through with your hands cut off or worst still dead
Abeg make you forget all this beef.
I graduated from LASU after 7years and I'm yet to get my certificate which will take like another year or 2.

queenestelle:
Hhhhmmmm. Writeup makes sense and sums it all up.

Hi, I'm temmi. guess you're new here...

ReverseEngineer:
Is your point enough reason to give my child a low quality education even if I'm "well to do" and pay so huge? It's business, if they can't give me quality, I mean quality, then, it's wasteful.

So looking at what OP has said what other quality do you feel you need? Have u at least visited the school's website to make your own conclusions?

aeboiy:
would you rather the school goes through with your hands cut off or worst still dead
Abeg make you forget all this beef.
I graduated from LASU after 7years and I'm yet to get my certificate which will take like another year or 2.

Well, I at Unilorin, You get your certificate few days after convocation. I strongly think LASU is a "bad egg" and an exception. Most state schools too.

ReverseEngineer:
Lies from the bottom of a blast furnace. Such an ill informed statement. "Well to do parents", I mean "Well to do parents" who are very keen about a good standard of Education for their wards send their kids abroad. Private universities aren't an Option. The argument isn't even about Whether or not Public Universities are better, that's crystal clear. It shouldn't call for a debate. Private schools are far behind in terms of academic standard. The bone of contention is simply, "The amount private universities pay is unparalleled to what they're given back". At least, we know the result of privately owned schools abroad. We see how they're high flying. That's when you are free to say, "They're getting what they paid for". Until then, keep paying high and enjoying the rotten educational system of Nigeria. That's a bit weird to me.

Lol. Exposure and experience matters alot. U lack that in ur comparisons. This public uni are living on past glories.
Age, most times is what determines how prestigious a university is, but its a pity public uni r not even old enough but r on their sickbed. Except they get treatedSome were rejected based on population and too much politics in public schools not academic merits. And those sent away from private sch join the public.
Do ur research well, most rich parents dont even attempt try public schs, they either send them to a private or abroad by d govt.

haibe:
Lol, actually most students in public uni are admitted based one merit. About 80%. The supplement lists candidates aren't even up to 20% of total admitted candidates.

Continue deceiving yourself

Sibrah:
You mean they kidnap them or they employ them at gun point? Don't public schools employ private uni grads too? You guys are pathetic in reasoning.

Wtf!! What sort of reply is this. Did u even understand what my post was countering?

dulux07:
Continue deceiving yourself

Did u attend a public University? So who is deceiving his or herself

haibe:
Thats a good thing. Private schools I believe impact more knowledge using their lecturers. However public school students tend to go extra mile to learn and practice things since they do not really get much from their lecturers and have to practice and learn by themselves because they must pass anyway. In the end, this builds a sense of personal development in these students and help them struggle to improve in different areas.

However, if I have a kid, I will not take them to a federal university (except in well developed countries). I would rather take them to a private university for reasons best known to me.

I went to CU, and let me tell you this. In the engineering departments many of us still worked hard and went the extra mile. You don't expect your lecturer to give you everything. I still went out to learn android development on my own and I became pretty good at it. So many others I know still went the extra mile to learn things on their own. Personal development is key.

Draxler:
So looking at what OP has said what other quality do you feel you need? Have u at least visited the school's website to make your own conclusions?

I'll like to know your ideology and definition of quality. All the OP highlighted aren't alien at Unilorin which happens to be a Public school. Relatively speaking, those stuffs aren't quality but a celebration of mediocrity. We all know what we mean by quality here. WiFi network across the Campus isn't rocket science, it's at Unilorin. Round the clock power supply is a necessity and not quality as asserted by the Op. It's well obtainable at Unilorin. In the Nigerian context, I don't think there's anything Unilorin's Laboratories lack. Now, why is he howling quality even if we all know these mentioned stuffs are the necessities for a school to kick start? Again, private University students are short changed and lurk in the dark when academic standard is mentioned in Nigeria ..

Draxler:
Have you been to BU's medical school? Have you seen their programme? Can any of your federal schools take you abroad to India and the Us to learn? Stay there and be living in past glory

I'm sure you didn't attend medical school. In MEDILAG, for instance, and even in most medschools, there's Elective outside Posting that gives medical students a stint at other medical schools or training centers all over the world. And if BU's Elective Posting is only restricted to India & US, I see that as a disadvantage.
When it comes to quality education, old broom sweeps better. Public universities parades the best lecturers, few of who are part-time lecturers in the private universities. And whatever these part-time lecturers dole out at the private centers is a fraction, an infinitesimal fraction, of what they give in their primary place of assignment.
Or which procedure can be handled in BU that UCH cannot handle?

haibe:
Did u attend a public University? So who is deceiving his or herself

Yes i did.

aeboiy:
would you rather the school goes through with your hands cut off or worst still dead
Abeg make you forget all this beef.
I graduated from LASU after 7years and I'm yet to get my certificate which will take like another year or 2.

Well that's you, not me. Many still went to LASU and graduated at the stipulated time. So what's the beef there?

dulux07:
Lol. Exposure and experience matters alot. U lack that in ur comparisons. This public uni are living on past glories.
Age, most times is what determines how prestigious a university is, but its a pity public uni r not even old enough but r on their sickbed. Except they get treatedSome were rejected based on population and too much politics in public schools not academic merits. And those sent away from private sch join the public.
Do ur research well, most rich parents dont even attempt try public schs, they either send them to a private or abroad by d govt.

Well, somewhere in the world, someone just exhibited his self acclaimed exposure and experience by illogically invalidating an analogy.

dulux07:
Yes i did.

okay thats ur public school then. In the public school I attended, the merit list has far more candidates than the supplementary, and this supplement list even still includes those that only missed merit cut off by a fraction,

Draxler:
I went to CU, and let me tell you this. In the engineering departments many of us still worked hard and went the extra mile. You don't expect your lecturer to give you everything. I still went out to learn android development on my own and I became pretty good at it. So many others I know still went the extra mile to learn things on their own. Personal development is key.

Well thats a good thing but am pretty sure ur lecturers must have done his part. This is not always the case in a public school

holyfather:
that's a candid submission.
And thanks for being honest about this.

you guys tend to forget that its not the best that get into public school but the connected. I scored higher than most people that where admitted in UNILORIN in my last ever UTME (236 in UTME, 66 in post-UTME) but I wasn't admitted, people who scored less than 215 & less than 55 in post UTME were admitted . so how do you expect them to produce the high number of first class you want to see. like it or not; your teacher and the system can bring out the best in you.
please explain that.
my sister never scored less than 250 in her life but she wrote jamb 4 good times before going to private uni.
so what are you guys arguing?

haibe:
okay thats ur public school then. In the public school I attended, the merit list has far more candidates than the supplementary, and this supplement list even still includes those that only missed merit cut off by a fraction,

Really' . I am not disputing the fact that most times student admitted based on academic merit is slightly higher.

aeboiy:
you guys tend to forget that its not the best that get into public school but the connected. I scored higher than most people that where admitted in UNILORIN in my last ever UTME (236 in UTME, 66 in post-UTME) but I wasn't admitted, people who scored less than 215 & less than 55 in post UTME were admitted . so how do you expect them to produce the high number of first class you want to see. like it or not; your teacher and the system can bring out the best in you.
please explain that.
my sister never scored less than 250 in her life but she wrote jamb 4 good times before going to private uni.
so what are you guys arguing?

Which courses did you and your sister apply for?

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eazzzy1:
After graduating with a second class lower from Uniosun ( It was based on silly errors in result compilations), I went to do a post graduate diploma at Humber college Canada and i made a CGPA of 3.7/4. Fact is that i did not study as hard as i did when i was in Nigeria. I am sure I would have made an equally great grade if i had studied in a private institution like CU.

Moral of the story is that government owned institutions has failed Nigeria students. I had a very brilliant friend that had an extra year for fault that were not his. If my children were to school in Nigeria, non will go to a public school. Education is not meant to be difficult as this people make it. Imagine having to cram about 13 formulas for a statistics exam ending by 12pm and you have economics by 2pm that requires further cramming of formulas, when schools abroad will give you the formulas to use. As if any one uses those formulas in real life situations.

I will choose CU (only private school i trust) over any other school in Nigeria.

so you expect them to give you formulas abi... clap for ya self

Silvofitz:
Which courses did you and your sister apply for?

my sister is Accounting @ UNILAG Me: Economics @ UNILORIN

CaptainECole:
so you expect them to give you formulas abi... clap for ya self

don't doubt him, even in SAT you are given mathematical formulas.
forget say this people make life difficult for us. have you ever wondered why people who school abroad find it easier to pass and still do better than we that schooled here?

2Cents:
Who are the lecturers that teach in private Universities? Are they not from these same public Universities? Are they not products of public Universities? How come they work better in private Universities? Truth is you can never compare the well laid down institutional frameworks in most private Universities with the jungle system in public Universities. OK unilag was just closed.... Why? Will that closure assist their best minds to do better? When last was Babcock, covenant, etc closed? Don't even want to mention Great ife. Oba Adaniduro University. The first class produced in private Universities are good! At least academically. They may be dumb in others aspects but that is a general trait of most 1st class holders. Also don't tell me u met one olodo from one private University or the other during NYSC or at work, so what? Haven't we seen graduates from public Universities, even UI, that can't string together a simple sentence correctly? Or which institutions produced our half baked primary school teachers? Even lecturers in public Universities now run to private Universities to run their PhD programs! That's to tell you how hopeless the public educational system is.
In terms of research output and innovation, private schools will get there shortly at least no private university in Nigeria is up to 20 years old. How old is UI, Ife and UNN again? Imagine what covenant, Babcock, Bowen, igbinedion will look like in the next 2 decades....

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You are on point.

aeboiy:
my sister is Accounting @ UNILAG
Me: Economics @ UNILORIN

250 was actually low for accounting UNILAG. That's 250/8; about 31/50. Such candidate must score like 80% in post-UTME, to arrive at 40/50; and an overall aggregate of 31+40=71. (In UNILAG UTME score is 50% and post-UTME is 50% to arrive at aggregate of 100). The aggregate cut off point for accounting in UNILAG is about 70%. Mind you, UNILAG is about the most competitive university in Nigeria, and 80% of her admission is based on merit! as calculated. This might be the reason your sister was turned down four good times.

dulux07:
Some were rejected based on population and too much politics in public schools not academic merits. And those sent away from private sch join the public.
Do ur research well, most well to do parents dont even attempt public schs, they either send them to a private or abroad.

so most paupers go to public schools, and the rich go to private schl. ..A laughable insult

ReverseEngineer:
I'll like to know your ideology and definition of quality. All the OP highlighted aren't alien at Unilorin which happens to be a Public school. Relatively speaking, those stuffs aren't quality but a celebration of mediocrity. We all know what we mean by quality here. WiFi network across the Campus isn't rocket science, it's at Unilorin. Round the clock power supply is a necessity and not quality as asserted by the Op. It's well obtainable at Unilorin. In the Nigerian context, I don't think there's anything Unilorin's Laboratories lack. Now, why is he howling quality even if we all know these mentioned stuffs are the necessities for a school to kick start? Again, private University students are short changed and lurk in the dark when academic standard is mentioned in Nigeria ..

So using your logic, these things are a celebration of mediocrity. But they are lacking in unilag that's why they are rioting. So this unilag which is a public school is mediocre because they lack these little things you claim to be mediocre. Agreed?