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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by dolphinheart(m): 1:16pm On Apr 07, 2016
Emusan:


Can you see your life outside?

I know had it been I said something about Trinity, Hellfire, Jesus is God e.t.c your muscle would have raised up posting long epistle.
good you know my weak points

But since I've been dealing with you on the level that beyond your comprehension you're dumbfounded and confused.
you think so and wish so, but it's not true.

This is what I've been saying since but your lack of comprehension leads to this long posting.
repetition will not make it true.



See ignoramus being displayed, you're the one who claimed to have a PRESENT BELIEF which I asked you, does your present belief go outside the teachings of today's JW? you couldn't answer my simple question but you're here perambulating.

pls refrain from using abusive and derogatory speech, unless you want to use it a a means to end our discussion. If you continue with it, ill like it as a sign that you dnt want to discuss.

pls go back and read the issues you raised before these question.

I'll help you post it here.
(below is a statement you made to me when I was talking to someone else
"[b]You're lying here, people always take their time to expounding your scriptural knowledge but you've decided to die in your grandfather's believe which you claimed you have nothing to do with[/u]

your statement above shows you know about my beliefs, but you refuse to state them. you made an accusation, I've since then requested that you name one of my present beliefs that I got from my grandfather's belief and die in. i also requested that you provide your views to such beliefs when presented. All you have been doing since then is raise questions and not provide facts to surpport your allegations.

you went on to claim that No matter what i decided, my believe has is root from some of Russell's teachings that were not discarded by today's JW.
you make all this statements knowing fully well you do not know any of my beliefs, therefore your requests that I should state my beliefs after you have laid these allegations is very sad. your allegations are created out of hatred and not out facts, cus if you have it, you would have stated my beliefs.

you now see it fit to accuse me of not answering questions, when you yourself refuse to answer a question I asked earlier.

[b]A mother decides to have babies , but she kills them months after their birth, she says they will go to heaven cus they have committed no sin. These children have no knowledge of the truth, does that mean they will go to hell fire? The answer will help us to understand more about how jehovah will judge those with wrong knowledge.[/quote]
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 2:35pm On Apr 07, 2016
dolphinheart:
good you know my weak points

It's arrogance not weak point.

pls refrain from using abusive and derogatory speech, unless you want to use it a a means to end our discussion. If you continue with it, ill like it as a sign that you dnt want to discuss.

I didn't abuse you I only show you when you display other side of intelligence.

I'll help you post it here.
(below is a statement you made to me when I was talking to someone else
"You're lying here, people always take their time to expounding your scriptural knowledge but you've decided to die in your grandfather's believe [size=14pt][b]which you claimed you have nothing to do with[/size]

But you left the bold part which is the reason I said you lack simple comprehension.

your statement above shows you know about my beliefs, but you refuse to state them. you made an accusation, I've since then requested that you name one of my present beliefs that I got from my grandfather's belief and die in. i also requested that you provide your views to such beliefs when presented. All you have been doing since then is raise questions and not provide facts to surpport your allegations.

Please, stop this your shallow point. You're the one who raise the issue of grandfather's belief with an illustration which I responded to but fail to grab my point.

you went on to claim that No matter what i decided, my believe has is root from some of Russell's teachings that were not discarded by today's JW.

Am I lying? Or who formed the foundation of your doctrines if not Russell?

you make all this statements knowing fully well you do not know any of my beliefs,

I'll repeat my questions, is your present belief in anyway different from any teaching JW hold today? Do you hold NWT above any translation?

A deaf man can hear and understand my point in a sense that JW is your organization and this organization has a founder which is Russell but you failed to follow the teaching of your founder due to change in teaching. Yet you can't talk about JW without talking of Russell which you're trying to distance yourself from because he died worshipping Jesus.

therefore your requests that I should state my beliefs after you have laid these allegations is very sad. your allegations are created out of hatred and not out facts, cus if you have it, you would have stated my beliefs.

Off Point. Reread my post and see whether I made any accusation against you.

you now see it fit to accuse me of not answering questions, when you yourself refuse to answer a question I asked earlier.

[b]A mother decides to have babies , but she kills them months after their birth, she says they will go to heaven cus they have committed no sin. These children have no knowledge of the truth, does that mean they will go to hell fire? The answer will help us to understand more about how jehovah will judge those with wrong knowledge.

Imaging, I didn't answer your question when you use question to answer my question.

Before this your post, did you just post it or i was the one who asked you question which you replied?

Please get life.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 2:57pm On Apr 07, 2016
joyandfaith:

proof is in ur thread or u ve forgotten what yo wrote. misleading quotes from publications.

I remember vividly.

mind you a lot of churches are refuting beliefs of trtinity, hellfire and so on.

Are you a programmable robot? Just asking because I don't know what drags the issue of Trinity or hellfire into this.

and until you properly understand what jw believes u will keep misinforming public.

As if their belief is hidden before.
Even when fact is being drew out from watchtower I'm still misinforming the public. Kontinue!

just a click www.jw.org will solve ur problem. do more research.

Do you do research as well apart from your own organization web or library?

jw beliefs and practice are not bad as u guys want us to be believe.

You can't see anything bad there because you're already inside which will only take the grace of God to pull you out but whichever way.
What we're proofing here is that, God doesn't work the way JW operated from their inception till date.

>>Change in teachings
>>Proof that their founder died as an idolater
>>Failed prophecy
>>Operate with lies.

These are enough evidence to show that God doesn't have hand in the establishment of the organization, the one being who operates in such way is devil.

I wish the whole world will be jw- oh how peaceful and loving world will be.

That's what we're saying, this is how a robot behaves, some pagan are more peaceful and loving than many religious people. At least think small before you post next time.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 3:55pm On Apr 07, 2016
Emusan:


Let's see who have comprehensive issue here



Then where did you read in my post that JW should be following or idolizing Russell?



Sorry to bust your ass, Russell claimed to be very mouthpiece of God, Watchtower publication was directed by God and he holds the truth.

If the goal of Russell is to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian, that means first century Christian worshipped Jesus Christ.

Besides, you said and I quote "was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation."

Please, does Russell abandon some of their teachings and why today's JW didn't follow Russell's teachings? One thing is sure if Russell can see someone to follow their practice and his follower find it difficult to follow him, it means Russell actually misrepresented the teaching of the first century Christian and Jesus Christ or today's JW are the one who actually misrepresented their teaching.



Does your own reasoning faculty tell you that I'm not saying you people should idolize Russell? As you just busy writing long epistle.





Who asked you all these? when you couldn't fathom simple statement you choose to divert from the main point.



I didn't forget it's you who have short memory because I've repeated it many times on this thread that they have their weaknesses but none of them died as an idolater like Russell.

God will never allow His anointed to die out of His own will it's only Devil who can do that which is what we saw in the life of Russell.


good you finally understand my earlier statement that Jehovah's witnesses are not following/idolizing any man .


now, show me one belief of Jehovah's witnesses that's not scriptural ?

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 5:28pm On Apr 07, 2016
CAPTIVATOR:
good you finally understand my earlier statement that Jehovah's witnesses are not following/idolizing any man.

So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?

now, show me one belief of Jehovah's witnesses that's not scriptural ?

Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by joyandfaith: 6:37pm On Apr 07, 2016
Emusan:


So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?



Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.

to do research on jw uses Wikipedia and www.jw.org. to compare doctrines of many churches with jw uses Wikipedia or any encyclopedia. a lot of people- you do not understand beliefs system of jw. if you want to attack jw reasonably get info from their websites or speak with any of them.
most of you guys have poor knowledge of Bible that is why you are worshipping ur pastors.
you just want to oppose without proof or quoting wrongly to mislead people. similarly, Satan opposes God for no reason.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by dolphinheart(m): 6:58pm On Apr 07, 2016
Emusan:


It's arrogance not weak point.
if that's your definition of speaking about what I believe in, then no p


I didn't abuse you I only show you when you display other side of intelligence.
continue, na your way.

But you left the bold part which is the reason I said you lack simple comprehension.
again you refuse to address your allegations and surpport it with facts. you also refuse to address your statement to explain how I lack comprehension.

pls explain what you mean by these statement(expecially the underlined):
"You're lying here, people always take their time to expounding your scriptural knowledge but you've decided to die in your grandfather's believe which you claimed you have nothing to do with"

Please, stop this your shallow point. You're the one who raise the issue of grandfather's belief with an illustration which I responded to but fail to grab my point.
yes, I did raise the issue of grandfather's beliefs, I told you that my grandfather beliefs does not determine mine, if you dnt think I'm right, bring one of my grandfathers beliefs you have issues with, bring one of my own beliefs that's the same as my grandfather's, and tell us what wrong with it and share your views.

Am I lying? Or who formed the foundation of your doctrines if not Russell?
you've said my beliefs are linked to some of Russell's teaching, pls list my beliefs that's liked to russells teaching, tell us if there is anything wrong with it and whats wrong with it!

I'll repeat my questions, is your present belief in anyway different from any teaching JW hold today? Do you hold NWT above any translation?
adress your accusations first and tell me my beliefs that I'll die in., ive asked you to tell me the beliefs you are talking about since!

A deaf man can hear and understand my point in a sense that JW is your organization and this organization has a founder which is Russell but you failed to follow the teaching of your founder due to change in teaching. Yet you can't talk about JW without talking of Russell which you're trying to distance yourself from because he died worshipping Jesus.
you started your point on a false note, the organization has told you several times who their founder is.
I can very much talk about Jehovahs witnesses without mentioning Russell, but that does not mean I'm distancing myself from him. He lived his life, his beliefs does not determine mine, even if some of our beliefs are similar.
If you have probs with russell, go and meet those who know him, if you have probs with my beliefs, state the belief and tell us your view on it. Your attempt to link my beliefs with Russells just to find fault with it shows that you do view my beliefs to be truth, but you can only attack it by atacking a dead man.
Jehovahs judgement on russell will not be determined only by his beliefs. If you had examined the question I raised on the woman killing her babies, you would have understood better.

Off Point. Reread my post and see whether I made any accusation against you.
"You're lying here, people always take their time to expounding your scriptural knowledge but you've decided to die in your grandfather's believe which you claimed you have nothing to do with

pls tell how I decided to die in my grandfather's belief.

Imaging, I didn't answer your question when you use question to answer my question.

Before this your post, did you just post it or i was the one who asked you question which you replied?

Please get life.
I've asked you the questions since, you refused to answer it
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by CAPTIVATOR: 7:02pm On Apr 07, 2016
Emusan:


So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?



Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.

Emusan , see your life ... not even one you could point
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 9:35pm On Apr 07, 2016
joyandfaith:


until you read the book 'God kingdom rules', you cannot refute my claim.

Talk is cheap bro/sis, anybody can easily make up claims about themselves to look good. Its very easy for to recreate certain accounts of ones story. just because I am the auto-biographer of my story doesn't mean my claim is true. You know what is true? Facts. Facts can NEVER lie. Perharps if the watchtower have provided evidence to how she abide by her “kingdom rules“ then it would be taken seriously. For now jwfacts.com has her claim backed up by verifiable facts.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by joyandfaith: 11:19pm On Apr 07, 2016
paulGrundy:


Talk is cheap bro/sis, anybody can easily make up claims about themselves to look good. Its very easy for to recreate certain accounts of ones story. just because I am the auto-biographer of my story doesn't mean my claim is true. You know what is true? Facts. Facts can NEVER lie. Perharps if the watchtower have provided evidence to how she abide by her “kingdom rules“ then it would be taken seriously. For now jwfacts.com has her claim backed up by verifiable facts.

if an enemy or opposer lies against you or say something you feel is not right about you what would you do? if two persons are fighting, will u support one person without listening to other side of divide. for now you are biased because you ve not looked critically to examine jw urself. if you want to know that jw abides by kingdom rules, look for evidences. they are abound, check www.jw.org and visits kingdom hall of jw as detective to uncover the truth.

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by joyandfaith: 11:21pm On Apr 07, 2016
paulGrundy:


Talk is cheap bro/sis, anybody can easily make up claims about themselves to look good. Its very easy for to recreate certain accounts of ones story. just because I am the auto-biographer of my story doesn't mean my claim is true. You know what is true? Facts. Facts can NEVER lie. Perharps if the watchtower have provided evidence to how she abide by her “kingdom rules“ then it would be taken seriously. For now jwfacts.com has her claim backed up by verifiable facts.

and anybody can twist info to make other people look bad.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 11:51pm On Apr 07, 2016
joyandfaith:


and anybody can twist info to make other people look bad.

Am glad you said info not facts (soveniours, documents, pictures, data, quotes, links to websites)
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 11:53pm On Apr 07, 2016
joyandfaith:


if an enemy or opposer lies against you or say something you feel is not right about you what would you do? if two persons are fighting, will u support one person without listening to other side of divide. for now you are biased because you ve not looked critically to examine jw urself. if you want to know that jw abides by kingdom rules, look for evidences. they are abound, check www.jw.org and visits kingdom hall of jw as detective to uncover the truth.

That is why you have to examine the claim of both sides based on facts/evidence to see who is telling the truth.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by joyandfaith: 5:10am On Apr 08, 2016
paulGrundy:


That is why you have to examine the claim of both sides based on facts/evidence to see who is telling the truth.

but u you refused to examine jw faiths from their website and compare with recognized source of info-encyclopaedia. websites design to oppose an individual or institution will not do a balance review.

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 7:07am On Apr 08, 2016
Is it not helpful to stop responding to that apostate? Is that beneficial?
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 7:09am On Apr 08, 2016
Emusan:


So where did you read it from my post you quoted that JW should idolize any man before you spew this thrash?



Even the devil himself uses scripture to dialogue with Jesus.

Thats not the question
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 7:13am On Apr 08, 2016
joyandfaith:


but u you refused to examine jw faiths from their website and compare with recognized source of info-encyclopaedia. websites design to oppose an individual or institution will not do a balance review.

And what makes you think I didn't go through the site? Because I have not stopped quoting from jwfacts.com?

Am not gullible you know.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 10:04am On Apr 08, 2016
Why are they not proffering solutions?
Why does all of you think you don't have flaws in your teachings?
Why are you bent on spreading negative news about JWs when you can't tell us a particular organization you think that have the truth in all except the JWs?
Why haven't you tell us your own founder since you claim Russell and Rutherford are the founder of Jehovah's organization, tell us your teachings and founder let's see?
Why Paul Grundy and co?
Why are you so sure you are doing the right thing by quoting another man's thought always to discredit the JWs, when in effect it has been proven you practically knew nothing about them except lies and exaggerated propaganda promoted by apostates?
Why is it that the same JWs you are bent on and have spent almost all your worth to discredit have on many occasions on this forum corrected some of your beliefs that aren't in line with Bible's teachings?
Why is it your problem that the organization have admitted their errors and move? When in fact whatever religion you belong to have many questionable beliefs!
Why don't you remove the timber in your eyes but always claim to assist in removing the straw you saw in another's eyes? Emusan
Why, why, why?
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 10:08am On Apr 08, 2016
What Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe?

The beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses are no secret, for their literature is readily available in hundreds of languages. Below is a synopsis of some of their main tenets.

1. The Bible
The Witnesses believe that “all Scripture is inspired of God.” (2 Timothy 3:16) Jason D. BeDuhn, an associate professor of religious studies, wrote: “[Jehovah’s Witnesses built] their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there.” They align their beliefs with the Bible; they do not interpret it to suit themselves. At the same time, they recognize that not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. The seven days of creation, for example, are symbolic, referring to extended periods of time.—Genesis 1:31; 2:4.

2. The Creator
The true God has given himself a personal name—Jehovah (or Yahweh, as used in the Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible and preferred by some modern-day scholars)—that distinguishes him from false gods. * (Psalm 83:18) The Hebrew form of the divine name appears some 7,000 times in the original text of the Scriptures. Stressing the importance of that name, Jesus said in his model prayer: “Hallowed be thy name.” (Matthew 6:9, King James Version) God rightly demands exclusive devotion. Hence, the Witnesses use no icons or images in their worship.—1 John 5:21.


“The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28
3. Jesus Christ
He is the Savior, “the Son of God,” and “the firstborn of all creation.” (John 1:34; Colossians 1:15; Acts 5:31) As a created being, he is not part of a Trinity. “The Father is greater than I am,” said Jesus. (John 14:28) Jesus lived in heaven before coming to earth, and after his sacrificial death and resurrection, he returned to heaven. “No one comes to the Father except through [him].”—John 14:6.

4. God’s Kingdom
This is an actual heavenly government with a King—Jesus Christ—and 144,000 corulers, who are “bought from the earth.” (Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3, 4; Daniel 2:44; 7:13, 14) They will rule over the earth, which will be cleansed of all wickedness and will be inhabited by many millions of God-fearing humans.—Proverbs 2:21, 22.

5. The earth
Ecclesiastes 1:4 states: “The earth endures for ever.” (The New English Bible) After the destruction of the wicked, the earth will be made into a paradise and populated forever by righteous humans. (Psalm 37:10, 11, 29) Jesus’ words in prayer “thy will be done in earth” will thus be fulfilled.—Matthew 6:10, King James Version.

6. Bible prophecy
“God . . . cannot lie.” (Titus 1:2) Hence, what he foretells always comes true, including the Bible prophecies concerning the end of the present world. (Isaiah 55:11; Matthew 24:3-14) Who will survive the coming destruction? “He that does the will of God remains forever,” says 1 John 2:17.

7. Secular authorities
“Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God,” said Jesus. (Mark 12:17) Accordingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses obey the laws of the land when these do not conflict with God’s laws.—Acts 5:29; Romans 13:1-3.


“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”—Matthew 24:14
8. Preaching
Jesus foretold: “This good news of the kingdom” will be proclaimed earth wide before the end of the present world. (Matthew 24:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses consider it an honor to share in that lifesaving work. Of course, whether people listen or not is their own choice. The Bible says: “Let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.”—Revelation 22:17.

9. Baptism
Jehovah’s Witnesses baptize only those who, on the basis of a thorough study of the Bible, want to serve God as one of his Witnesses. (Hebrews 12:1) These symbolize their personal dedication to God by water immersion.—Matthew 3:13, 16; 28:19.

10. The clergy-laity distinction
“All you are brothers,” said Jesus to his followers. (Matthew 23:cool
These are basic doctrines of Jehovah's people.

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 10:33am On Apr 08, 2016
Paul Grundy and 'you' are all disgruntled apostates, during his interview on BBC he was trying to justify his reasons for leaving the organization.

He stated that the JWs hold religion above family.
So if a family member does wrong and the Bible instructed we should avoid dealing with such a person to the extent possible it becomes a crime?
Or should we comprise Bible command?

Again that he noticed some JWs living immoral life.
Did he report such friends of him to the organization and they did nothing about it? He mentioned the person appointed was committing fornication are the overseers not human beings?
He is simply bitter that his was appointed and he wasn't.

He also mentioned having kids which would have been impossible if he had continue serving at bethel. It's a personal decision if one choose to be single or not have kids. We have many biblical examples.

He is just being myopic, keep following the disgruntled fellow.

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by AmAlbert(m): 9:37pm On Apr 09, 2016
Thanks my dear brothers and sisters.
One thing for sure is that the truth always prevails, no matter how long darkness takes place, the light continues to be its(darkness) archenemy, cos it always overthrows darkness, the JWits are and will continue to be teachers of what the Bible really teaches, we all eagerly look forward to a time when the whole earth will be made new and all those false prophets /slanderers will have their issues sorted out with Jehovah God, for now let us all actively do our part in sanctifying Jehovah's name and advocating his Kingdom which is the only last solution /remedy to mankind's problems and ills as we continue to tel others whether they hear, scorn/persecute us or proudly refuse

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 4:26pm On Apr 10, 2016
JMAN05:

Thats not the question
Tell us the question...
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 4:29pm On Apr 10, 2016
CAPTIVATOR:

Emusan , see your life ... not even one you could point
As your life...when you already know what you belief.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 4:44pm On Apr 10, 2016
Emusan:


As your life...when you already know what you belief.

Will the world be a better place without Jehovah's witnesses? That's the question.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by Emusan(m): 5:06pm On Apr 10, 2016
goodnews201668:
Why are you so sure you are doing the right thing by quoting another man's thought always to discredit the JWs, when in effect it has been proven you practically knew nothing about them except lies and exaggerated propaganda promoted by apostates?

This is one of the reason I always shake my head for you people because you always claimed nobody understands any JW teaching once the person doesn't belong to the organization when we've practically proven our statement with fact.
JW prints Watchtower, Awake & some booklets and people to read them but why do you think will dont know anything about them or we only believe lie & propaganda about them?

For instance, JW published a booklet some years back titled "Should you believe in the Trinity?" In fact, some people consider that book to be one of the book that revealed truth about Biblical doctrine but when other people who knows the actual truth in the Bible read that booklet and begins to point out the lie, error & misrepresentation of the early church view. JW doesn't have option than to STOP THE PUBLICATION OF THAT BOOKLET and removed it from their ONLINE LIBRARY.

The question a sincere mind can ask here is, why would they stop the publication and caused its removal from their online library, if the book actual speaks the mind of Jehovah?

Why is it that the same JWs you are bent on and have spent almost all your worth to discredit have on many occasions on this forum corrected some of your beliefs that aren't in line with Bible's teachings?

How can someone who doesn't represent your family history be correcting you on your family story?

Why is it your problem that the organization have admitted their errors and move?

My problem is that, Russell didn't admit his mistake and error likewise Rutherford. They both live and died in their believes with a belief of having the TRUTH & being directed by God, the same thing JW still claimed today! So, how can God allowed Russell and Rutherford to die as an idolater if God truly directed them? Don't you think God doesn't in support if their organization?

Every house not built by God always divided against itself, don't you think that's why JW of today are against most of the teachings if Russell?
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 6:30pm On Apr 10, 2016
Emusan:


This is one of the reason I always shake my head for you people because you always claimed nobody understands any JW teaching once the person doesn't belong to the organization when we've practically proven our statement with fact.
JW prints Watchtower, Awake & some booklets and people to read them but why do you think will dont know anything about them or we only believe lie & propaganda about them?

For instance, JW published a booklet some years back titled "Should you believe in the Trinity?" In fact, some people consider that book to be one of the book that revealed truth about Biblical doctrine but when other people who knows the actual truth in the Bible read that booklet and begins to point out the lie, error & misrepresentation of the early church view. JW doesn't have option than to STOP THE PUBLICATION OF THAT BOOKLET and removed it from their ONLINE LIBRARY.

The question a sincere mind can ask here is, why would they stop the publication and caused its removal from their online library, if the book actual speaks the mind of Jehovah?



How can someone who doesn't represent your family history be correcting you on your family story?



My problem is that, Russell didn't admit his mistake and error likewise Rutherford. They both live and died in their believes with a belief of having the TRUTH & being directed by God, the same thing JW still claimed today! So, how can God allowed Russell and Rutherford to die as an idolater if God truly directed them? Don't you think God doesn't in support if their organization?

Every house not built by God always divided against itself, don't you think that's why JW of today are against most of the teachings if Russell?

You still haven't answered my questions, what are your solution? What alternative have you suggested? What's your own church and the founder?
Emusan your and your mentors know JWs
very well but most of the things you say about JWs have turn out to be false, is that not slander?
That book is not the only book that's not on the library. publications prior to 2000 cannot be found on the library. How come you don't know abt this since you know JWs more than them?
Again listen you aren't Jehovah to determine who will be resurrected, so leave the Russell and Rutherford matter between them and Jehovah.
Maybe you don't know the truth remains the same but we can only improve in our understanding of the truth.
Jehovah's people have made remarkable changes in the past, maybe you don't know that the common things you guys do or doctrines you guys have we use to have them.
We keep improving in every aspect, if you truly know JWs you will bear me witness with this fact.
We use to allow polygamy, smoke ciggrates, celebrate December, believe the Trinity doctrine, uses of cross and many other things.
Lastly I want to make it clear to you that other major religious groups have also made predictions which later failed.
You Paul Grundy and others left and all you guys do is to criticize yet fail to tell us other organization that has the truth and that has made remarkable changes throughout the years.
Until you mention one church if not shut up and stop your hateful slander.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 8:48pm On Apr 10, 2016
goodnews201668:


You still haven't answered my questions, what are your solution? What alternative have you suggested? What's your own church and the founder?
Emusan your and your mentors know JWs
very well but most of the things you say about JWs have turn out to be false, is that not slander?
That book is not the only book that's not on the library. publications prior to 2000 cannot be found on the library. How come you don't know abt this since you know JWs more than them?
Again listen you aren't Jehovah to determine who will be resurrected, so leave the Russell and Rutherford matter between them and Jehovah.
Maybe you don't know the truth remains the same but we can only improve in our understanding of the truth.
Jehovah's people have made remarkable changes in the past, maybe you don't know that the common things you guys do or doctrines you guys have we use to have them.
We keep improving in every aspect, if you truly know JWs you will bear me witness with this fact.
We use to allow polygamy, smoke ciggrates, celebrate December, believe the Trinity doctrine, uses of cross and many other things.
Lastly I want to make it clear to you that other major religious groups have also made predictions which later failed.
You Paul Grundy and others left and all you guys do is to criticize yet fail to tell us other organization that has the truth and that has made remarkable changes throughout the years.
Until you mention one church if not shut up and stop your hateful slander.

The truth has been given to us once and for all. Subjective interpretations of the truth is allowed, what matters is your motive, which is revealed in your actions, not what you teach.

But any one who claims to have monopoly of the truth, or claim that only his interpretation is correct, is an imposter! The onus is on him to prove otherwise.
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by dolphinheart(m): 1:06am On Apr 11, 2016
I've said it before and will say it again. When someone condemns your belief or those you associate with, but is not willing to offer an alternative or contrary explanation, that persons only aim is to find fault, to destroy and not to build!

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by goodnews201668: 1:13am On Apr 11, 2016
paulGrundy:


The truth has been given to us once and for all. Subjective interpretations of the truth is allowed, what matters is your motive, which is revealed in your actions, not what you teach.

But any one who claims to have monopoly of the truth, or claim that only his interpretation is correct, is an imposter! The onus is on him to prove otherwise.

For these reasons Jehovah's witnesses remains the best!!!

To tell the difference between those who practice true religion and those who do not, the Bible says: “By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?” (Matthew 7:16 ) Just as you can distinguish a grapevine from a thornbush by what it produces, you can distinguish true religion from false by its fruits, or by these identifying features.

1. True religion teaches the truth that is based on the Bible, not on human philosophies. (John 4:24; 17:17 ) This includes religious
truths about the soul and the hope of everlasting life on a paradise earth. (Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 35:5, 6; Ezekiel 18:4 ) It also does not hold back from exposing religious falsehood.— Matthew 15:9; 23:27, 28 .

2. True religion helps people to know God, including teaching them his name, Jehovah . (Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 42:8; John 17:3, 6 ) It does not teach that he is incomprehensible or aloof; rather, it teaches that he wants us to have a relationship with him.— James 4:8 .

3. True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12 ) Its members obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.— John 13:15; 15:14 .

4. True religion focuses on God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope. Its members actively tell others about that Kingdom.— Matthew 10:7; 24:14 .

5. True religion promotes unselfish love. (John 13:35 ) It teaches respect for all ethnic groups and welcomes people from all races, cultures, languages, and backgrounds. (Acts 10:34, 35 ) Moved by love, its members do not go to war .—Micah 4:3; 1 John 3:11, 12 .
6. True religion has no paid clergy , and it does not give high-sounding religious titles to any of its members.— Matthew 23:8-12; 1 Peter 5:2, 3 .

7. True religion is completely neutral in political affairs . (John 17:16; 18:36 ) However, its members respect and obey the government where they live, in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar [representing the civil authority], but God’s things to God.”— Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1, 2 .

8. True religion is a way of life, not just a ritual or a formality. Its members adhere to the Bible’s high moral standards in all aspects of life. (Ephesians 5:3-5; 1 John 3:18 ) Rather than being grim, though, they find joy in worshipping “the happy God.”— 1 Timothy 1:11 .

9. Those who practice true religion will be in the minority. (Matthew 7:13, 14 ) Members of the true religion are often looked down on, ridiculed, and persecuted for doing God’s will.— Matthew 5:10-12 .
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by joyandfaith: 6:14am On Apr 11, 2016
paulGrundy:


Am glad you said info not facts (soveniours, documents, pictures, data, quotes, links to websites)
all above are form of info and can be twisted. even video can be edited.

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Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by paulGrundy(m): 8:16am On Apr 11, 2016
goodnews201668:


For these reasons Jehovah's witnesses remains the best!!!

God does not have any favorite, remember the story of Peter and Cornelius?

To tell the difference between those who practice true religion and those who do not, the Bible says: “By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?” (Matthew 7:16 ) Just as you can distinguish a grapevine from a thornbush by what it produces, you can distinguish true religion from false by its fruits, or by these identifying features.

1. True religion teaches the truth that is based on the Bible, not on human philosophies. (John 4:24; 17:17 ) This includes religious
truths about the soul and the hope of everlasting life on a paradise earth. (Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 35:5, 6; Ezekiel 18:4 ) It also does not hold back from exposing religious falsehood.— Matthew 15:9; 23:27, 28 .

2. True religion helps people to know God, including teaching them his name, Jehovah . (Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 42:8; John 17:3, 6 ) It does not teach that he is incomprehensible or aloof; rather, it teaches that he wants us to have a relationship with him.— James 4:8 .

3. True religion highlights Jesus Christ as the one through whom God grants salvation. (Acts 4:10, 12 ) Its members obey Jesus’ commands and strive to follow his example.— John 13:15; 15:14 .

4. True religion focuses on God’s Kingdom as mankind’s only hope. Its members actively tell others about that Kingdom.— Matthew 10:7; 24:14 .

5. True religion promotes unselfish love. (John 13:35 ) It teaches respect for all ethnic groups and welcomes people from all races, cultures, languages, and backgrounds. (Acts 10:34, 35 ) Moved by love, its members do not go to war .—Micah 4:3; 1 John 3:11, 12 .
6. True religion has no paid clergy , and it does not give high-sounding religious titles to any of its members.— Matthew 23:8-12; 1 Peter 5:2, 3 .

7. True religion is completely neutral in political affairs . (John 17:16; 18:36 ) However, its members respect and obey the government where they live, in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar [representing the civil authority], but God’s things to God.”— Mark 12:17; Romans 13:1, 2 .

8. True religion is a way of life, not just a ritual or a formality. Its members adhere to the Bible’s high moral standards in all aspects of life. (Ephesians 5:3-5; 1 John 3:18 ) Rather than being grim, though, they find joy in worshipping “the happy God.”— 1 Timothy 1:11 .

9. Those who practice true religion will be in the minority. (Matthew 7:13, 14 ) Members of the true religion are often looked down on, ridiculed, and persecuted for doing God’s will.— Matthew 5:10-12 .


^^^ bunch of hogwash, I can identify at least 6 christain groups that exhibit these features above. Check this out

James 1:27English Standard Version (ESV)

27 Religion that is pure [true] and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Now that's bible criteria for true religion! Could you show me pictures of some charity works of the watchtower towards orphanages?
Re: Will World Be A Better Place Without Jehovah Witnesses by dolphinheart(m): 10:09am On Apr 11, 2016
paulGrundy:


God does not have any favorite, remember the story of Peter and Cornelius?



^^^ bunch of hogwash, I can identify at least 6 christain groups that exhibit these features above. Check this out

James 1:27English Standard Version (ESV)

27 Religion that is pure [true] and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Now that's bible criteria for true religion! Could you show me pictures of some charity works of the watchtower towards orphanages?

you expect them to take pictures of orphans and widows when they go to them? those who do that do so for a reason, so make people think they are good. jw's shy away from "give and tell" except it is neccessary. The orphans and widows dnt need pictures to remember that they were visited.

Some churches budget money for the advertising of such programmes with much money that's mostimes over the amount budgeted for the orphans and widows. They dnt do it for the orphans, the orphans are just a means to an end!

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