paulGrundy:


Am glad you believe the bolded, but am not clear you know that your organization teaches the contrary of the bolded or you may just be telling lies to save face.

"Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief, or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 2001 Jun 1 p.16

"During the final period of the ancient world that perished in the Flood, Noah was a faithful preacher of righteousness. (2 Peter 2:5) In these last days of the present system of things, Jehovah's people are making known Gods righteous standards and are declaring good news about the possibility of surviving into the new world. (2 Peter 3:9-13) Just as Noah and his God-fearing family were preserved in the ark, survival of individuals today depends on their faith and their loyal association with the earthly part of Jehovah's universal organization." Watchtower 2006 May 15 p.22 "Are You Prepared for Survival?"

"In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience." Watchtower 2014 Aug 15 p.21

^^ those are your present beliefs teaching that salvation is dependent on your loyalty to the society, jesus was not even mentioned.

Emusan:


Olodo...you crawled out of somewhere and jump into what doesn't concern you.

Russell and Rutherford worshipped Jesus till they died, did any JW do that today? NO!

Most teachings of Russell and Rutherford are considered WRONG by today's JW, true or false? TRUE!

So, who is spewing nonsense here? CAPITAL YOU!

CAPTIVATOR:

its interesting that your frustration above proves Jehovahs witnesses are [size=14pt]not following[/size] or idolizing any man .


we rather "examine the Scriptures DAILY " { Act 17:11} to discern true teachings from wrong teachings.

dolphinheart:
So you dnt know my present beliefs, yet you say I follow the beliefs of an organization.

If you have issues with an organization, bet you can get in touch with them and clear it out, dnt join my beliefs with such issues.

Russell is dead and buried long time ago, I do not know him. There are things written about him, but the truth or falsehood or such written things are determined by the writers intentions.
There are things written about Jesus too, but the truth or falsehood of such written things
are determined by the writers intentions.

I believe all things written in the scriptures about Jesus cus they are accurate, do not contradict each other and are inspired. but I do not believe all stories written about Jesus, same with Russell.

bring him down whichever way you can, he cannot respond , he is dead!. his beliefs till he died does not determine mine!

attacking an organizations past beliefs does not mean their present beliefs are wrong, and above all , you offer no alternatives

Emusan:


What's your problem man? Are you not a JW? Are you not hold on to their teachings? Are you not using their Bible version? What is therw trying to separate yourself from this reality?

Please, get life!



You are their member that's why I'm sending you to them. Besides, who set the template of your belief, if not Watchtower society?



Will you shut up your hypocrisy mouth?
I told you RUSSELL himself wrote many books this is not about people writing lies against him or not.



Laughing at the underlined, after you emphasized above that you don't know the writer's intention now you believed everything in the scriptures.

Of course they didn't contradict themselves because they were truly inspired by God unlike your founder who claimed he was inspired & set the template of your belief including watchtower publication but your teaching today contradicted his own teachings.



But you believed that you and the Apostles have the same believe and their beliefs set the precedent for your own. I wonder why you don't want to associate your belief with Russell belief but claiming the same belief with The Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. If not because you know the truth but decided to live in lie.



Of course if the Apostles got it wrong from onset of their ministries, who will take them serious OR will you as a person examine their written daily?

My point so far is this, since Russell got it wrong and died in a belief that contrary to God's standard (according to JW). It means it was not the true God who inspired him to set up any ministry nor God send him to deliver His mind.

The question we can ask ourselves now is, since God didn't call him who is behind Russell's calling?

joyandfaith:



moses, David, Hezekiah and few others were anointed/appointed by God but still made mistakes. did that mean they were not called by God. but their attitudes toward mistakes made God their them faithful. they were not dogmatic about their mistakes. what God wants is our attitude toward his purpose. God is not expecting to do things without mistakes. humans are imperfect.

Emusan:


What's your problem man? Are you not a JW? Are you not hold on to their teachings? Are you not using their Bible version? What is therw trying to separate yourself from this reality?

Please, get life!

You are their member that's why I'm sending you to them. Besides, who set the template of your belief, if not Watchtower society?

Will you shut up your hypocrisy mouth?
I told you RUSSELL himself wrote many books this is not about people writing lies against him or not.



Laughing at the underlined, after you emphasized above that you don't know the writer's intention now you believed everything in the scriptures.[/qoute]
bet you can see how I seperated the scriptures from all other writings about Jesus, there are other books about Jesus apart from the scriptures. I believe all that is written about Jesus in the scriptures, but I dnt believe all things written about Jesus.

[quote]Of course they didn't contradict themselves because they were truly inspired by God unlike your founder who claimed he was inspired & set the template of your belief including watchtower publication but your teaching today contradicted his own teachings.

But you believed that you and the Apostles have the same believe and their beliefs set the precedent for your own. I wonder why you don't want to associate your belief with Russell belief but claiming the same belief with The Apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. If not because you know the truth but decided to live in lie.

Of course if the Apostles got it wrong from onset of their ministries, who will take them serious OR will you as a person examine their written daily?

My point so far is this, since Russell got it wrong and died in a belief that contrary to God's standard (according to JW). It means it was not the true God who inspired him to set up any ministry nor God send him to deliver His mind.

The question we can ask ourselves now is, since God didn't call him who is behind Russell's calling?

dolphinheart:
since you now believe the scriptures and it's writing about Jesus, can we now use it to examine our beliefs, I think that's more beneficial.

Emusan:


@bold-At least a robot still has default reset but this your own get as in be.

Paul himself said we (believers) should FOLLOW his example and do other disciples but you JW said you don't follow them simply because you don't want to rope your idolatry founder in.

Did you idolize people like Paul, Peter, John e.t.c by following their teaching? If your founder had truly called by God I know you won't hesitate in using him as an example.

In fact your organization has wrongly place him in the category of the disciples who will rule with Jesus in heaven.

like I said, had it been the Apostles behaved the way Russell & Rutherford behaved. Which scriptures you and your organization would've been examine DAILY?

Emusan:


Keep running from my post I know when you don't have something meaningful to say that's how you will be perambulating like C. Ronaldo.

Was there anytime I didn't believe in the scripture?

Which scripture version are you going to use in examine your belief other than NWT? The version of your organization you've been disassociating yourself from.

You can only fool your people not me.

Emusan:


But you can follow the teaching of people like Moses, David and Hezekiah despite their mistake, why can't you do so in case of your founder Russell?

You people know the truth but decided to put it away.

Why would Jehovah allow His mouthpiece to die idolater if Russell's ministry was truly established by Him?

The fact remains that for Russell to start a ministry and died in what he believed God wants him to teach, it's either he was right and today JW are wrong or Russell's ministry was not from God which automatically means JW is from the devil.

Emusan:


Keep running from my post I know when you don't have something meaningful to say that's how you will be perambulating like C. Ronaldo.

Was there anytime I didn't believe in the scripture?

Which scripture version are you going to use in examine your belief other than NWT? The version of your organization you've been disassociating yourself from.

You can only fool your people not me.

joyandfaith:


jws are not following men. their leader is Jesus. check www.jw.org . why? humans can make mistakes. many of the truth teachings of Russell found in the bible are still held by jw today. to know more about history of jw check the book GOD KINGDOM RULES in www.jw.org

joyandfaith:


are u sure you have not been fooled to lie about jw? that is how u quoted wrongly from jw publication in one of it thread. you are free to use any bible translation.

paulGrundy:


The bolded is a lie, if you got that from jw.org, then I can boldly tell you that it is a bald faced lie!

Very few of russells teachings are still held by JW's today:

E.g non-trinity, mortality of the soul, non-existence of hell and 1914 that's all.

paulGrundy:


Which version of the bible is most often quoted on watchtower publications?
PaulGrundy translation of the holy scriptures? PGT

joyandfaith:




which translation often use by Catholics. apart from Jehovah that appears often , NWT is consistent with many translations. and in jw app and jw.org, bible is available for download in five translations king James and American standard version inclusive. I can only fault bible quotation in their publication if it is different from other translations. have u ever scrutinize NWT yourself? if not, you are a lazy critics who will not go far.

joyandfaith:


are u a jw? have u read their book 'God kingdom rule'. the book is about how how jw refines their beliefs for the past 100 yrs.you are wrong. you cannot know their beliefs more than them because you are comfortable looking for info about them from some liars and their websites. if you want to real info or clatification you either write them, ta
k to one of them or visit www.jw.org. must info u are passing across are half-truth.

paulGrundy:


I refuted your claim about WT abiding by many of Russells teachings, you are posting a link to me about how JW's “refine“ their teachings, am not sure u understand me.

joyandfaith:
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses depend on the New World Translation to support their beliefs?
No, for we continue to use many translations of the Bible in our witnessing work. In fact, while we provide a copy of the New World Translation at no charge as part of our free Bible study program, we are also happy to study with those who prefer to use other translations.
Have Jehovah’s Witnesses Changed the Bible to Fit Their Beliefs?
No, we haven’t. On the contrary, when we have discovered that our beliefs were not completely in line with the Bible, we have changed our beliefs.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/
that is honest on the part of jw.

xendra:
so you guys believe there is hell now? cos Mathew did talk about a place that burns with fire

joyandfaith:
are u sure you have not been fooled to lie about jw? that is how u quoted wrongly from jw publication in one of ityour thread. you are free to use any bible translation.

xendra:
so you guys believe there is hell now? cos Mathew did talk about a place that burns with fire

Emusan:


You're bringing another issue into this. Besides, kindly state your view on the said thread so that I can verify your accusation because I have many threads about JW.

joyandfaith:


jws are not following men. their leader is Jesus. check www.jw.org . why? humans can make mistakes. many of the truth Russell found in the bible are still held by jw today. to know more about history of jw check the book GOD KINGDOM RULES in www.jw.org

dolphinheart:
you can use any version you like, when a verse is quoted and their are issues with it, we will put our view and prove forward.

Emusan:


I see you lack simple comprehension, lemme come down to your level.

If we eventually engage in debate is it not NWT you will use? And remember you've been disassociated yourself from the organization that published this NWT.

Technically, you can use their materials but claiming you have a present belief. Does your belief different from what Watchtower teaches?

That's the point.

CAPTIVATOR:
its clear you have comprehension issues,

" Jehovah's witnesses are not following or idolizing any man "

but anger clearly takes away a man's thinking cap , is Following a persons example which you wrote above the same thing with following/idolizing a man ?

While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower , he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20 . NOR claim any special vision or dreams

@bold , i don't cos my leader is one, the Christ . but is it possible to idolize people like Paul, Peter , John e.t.c by following their teaching ? YES
can you now see the difference between following/idolizing a man and following a mans example/character ? this form of following exhibited in corinth and CONDEMNED BY paul is what I had in mind in my post which you couldn't comprehend until u shift it to example.

How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12 ) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special “insights,” beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (
1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1: 5-9, James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. ( 1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.

1 Timothy 2: 11,12.

and you forget that the apostles also have their own weaknesses , when it comes to scripture . its INSPIRED BY GOD , they wrote not their thought but Gods . at least we have a letter of the apostle Paul that's not part of the bible . its not inspired !!!

dolphinheart:
if I use the NWT and you find something wrong with the verse I posted, you can voice your concerns and give explanations.

that point will be determined when my beliefs are being stated. as at these moment you have not stated any of my beliefs that goes along or against any of the present teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. neither have you offered any contrary views/beliefs that is supported by the scripture.

joyandfaith:
this is your thread of lie https://www.nairaland.com/2709722/unbelievable-quote-watchtower-publications#44482559

Emusan:


I see, you called me a liar without any proof but had it been it's your organization will you have admitted that they are lying?