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Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:56pm On Apr 22, 2016
urahara:
Dont u tink he did all dis when he was a xtian
According to Johnydon22 , there are pastors in Netherlands who are atheists and Agnostics . So ....
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 2:57pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Something inscrutable is difficult to understand . Religion was made by man to at least have an exiguous understanding of this being .
Still on the matter.

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually existed at all.

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity (Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 2:58pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
huh Are you done disporting with the kids on the play ground . Religion was made by man . Is this the first time you are seeing this huh
Oh. If it iznt the "christianity isnt a religion cliche"
Well a car is not a car .it is a vehicle to aid commutation easier
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:00pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_the_Cross_and_Star

So now lets not skip the question brother which is Don't you think Olumba Olumba Obu is also proof of God since he also claims to be God in human flesh?
He claims to be God in human flesh ?

1 John 4:1-6

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God

3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.

6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:01pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Errmmmm ...
Still on the matter

Hong Xiuquan claimed to be Son of God, is this proof for God also? Mount Olympus was the abode Zeus, is the existence of mount Olympus evidence of God (zeus) too?
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:02pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
He claims to be God in human flesh ?

1 John 4:1-6
Hahahahaha so you doubt Olumba Olumba Obu cannot be God in human flesh also as Jesus were?

I am still waiting for the question to be answered though Don't you think Olumba Olumba Obu is also proof of God since he also claims to be God in human
flesh?
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:02pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
We are talking of your soul here bro . What's funny about that huh
Oh my im so scared .my soul is in danger of the amaterasu like flames of hell but i am so confused as to which one of the thousands of hells i am afraid of.

There are so many of them .
Re: Debate An Atheist by dorox(m): 3:02pm On Apr 22, 2016
@UcleSnr: Is there any conception of God as defined by its adherent that you would wish were true? If yes, why?
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:05pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Still on the matter.

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually existed at all.

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity (Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
Religion did not assert anything or assume . Ummm lets look at a computer system . To make it possible for students to understand the intricate workings of the computer system , a course called Computer Architecture that explains this is being in the University .

We also have Nature : Biology , Physics , Philosophy all these are being used to understand Nature much better .Does it mean Nature does not exist ?
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:07pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Hahahahaha so you doubt Olumba Olumba Obu cannot be God in human flesh also as Jesus were?

I am still waiting for the question to be answered though Don't you think Olumba Olumba Obu is also proof of God since he also claims to be God in human
flesh?
I am seriously starting to think this guy is just kidding and obviously doesnt obviously want us 2 take dis as arguments
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:10pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Still on the matter

Hong Xiuquan claimed to be Son of God, is this proof for God also? Mount Olympus was the abode Zeus, is the existence of mount Olympus evidence of God (zeus) too?
All these were claims . The Bible taught us clearly to be watchful of false Christs and false prophets .

MATTHEW 24:24
For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Zeus and co are Greek Mythology
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:10pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Religion did not assert anything or assume . Ummm lets look at a computer system . To make it possible for students to understand the intricate workings of the computer system , a course called Computer Architecture that explains this is being in the University .

We also have Nature : Biology , Physics , Philosophy all these are being used to understand Nature much better .Does it mean Nature does not exist ?
But actually when all these Courses are sure nature is and they base their teachings on this .

E.G: astronomy studies the stars and before one assert there are stars it is very very clear for all to see so nobody asks how they got to know about Stars before studying them.

So now the question is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )

Nature can be scrutinized and understood as we are doing hence ^^^^^^^^^^
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:12pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
All these were claims . The Bible taught us clearly to be watchful of false Christs and false prophets .


Zeus and co are Greek Mythology
And so the one you believe cannot be anymore than just a claim as others? grin
Don't you think the same way you think yours is legitimate others also think theirs is.
so you see? grin

So do you think Olumba Olumba Obu who claim to be God cannot be God but Jesus is because you believe his own claim right?

You see the point? So we are still waiting how Jesus's claim proves your own God anymore than Olumba olumba Obu's claim does?

And Yahweh and Co cannot be Jewish mythology? ?

grin grin
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:14pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
But actually when all these Courses are sure nature is and they base their teachings on this .

E.G: astronomy studies the stars and before one assert there are stars it is very very clear for all to see so nobody asks how they got to know about Stars before studying them.

So now the question is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )

Nature can be scrutinized and understood as we are doing hence ^^^^^^^^^^
My "religion" was founded on the teachings of CHrist . Paul and Christ's disciples were astonished by the miracles and His prescience . They witnessed the death and resurrection of Christ . And were rest assured that he was God indeed

I don't how other religions did it
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:18pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
And so the one you believe cannot be anymore than just a claim as others? grin
Don't you think the same way you think yours is legitimate others also think theirs is.
so you see? grin

So do you think Olumba Olumba Obu who claim to be God cannot be God but Jesus is because you believe his own claim right?

You see the point? So we are still waiting how Jesus's claim proves your own God anymore than Olumba olumba Obu's claim does?

And Yahweh and Co cannot be Jewish mythology? ?

grin grin
Jewish mythology ? Jesus is God . Jesus is a historical figure . His prescience has been proven to be true with various claims of people who think they are reincarnations of Him .

Written clearly in the bible .
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:18pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
All these were claims . The Bible taught us clearly to be watchful of false Christs and false prophets .

MATTHEW 24:24


Zeus and co are Greek Mythology
When u debate atheists pls stop quoting the bible as if evry1 takes it 2 b true.

Take dis .put it in ur pipe and smoke it
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:20pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
My "religion" was founded on the teachings of CHrist . Paul and Christ's disciples were astonished by the miracles and His prescience . They witnessed the death and resurrection of Christ . And were rest assured that he was God indeed
I don't how other religions did it
hahahahahaha getting interesting-

-Islam was founded on the teachings of Muhammed who also lays claims to outstanding Miracles and presence of God too.
(Somehow ended up having a very different concept from yours even though both allegedly got a first hand presence feel of the 'God')

-Confucianism is founded on the teachings of Confucius

-Buddhism founded on the teachings of Buddha..

So how does this make yours any better ? Now this still does not answer the question which is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all
-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:22pm On Apr 22, 2016
urahara:
When u debate atheists pls stop quoting the bible as if evry1 takes it 2 b true.

Take dis .put it in ur pipe and smoke it
Stop talking nonsense . You dont tell me what to do undecided . The bible gave an infallible account of Christ which includes his words on earth .
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:24pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
All these were claims . The Bible taught us clearly to be watchful of false Christs and false prophets .

MATTHEW 24:24


Zeus and co are Greek Mythology
.the quran also tells us 2 be watchful of false christs and prophets in various surahs and hadiths
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:25pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
hahahahahaha getting interesting-

-Islam was founded on the teachings of Muhammed who also lays claims to outstanding Miracles and presence of God too.
(Somehow ended up having a very different concept from yours even though both allegedly got a first hand presence feel of the 'God')

-Confucianism is founded on the teachings of Confucius

-Buddhism founded on the teachings of Buddha..

So how does this make yours any better ? Now this still does not answer the question which is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all
-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
https://www.nairaland.com/2845259/all-different-religions-how-know
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:25pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Jewish mythology ? Jesus is God . Jesus is a historical figure . His prescience has been proven to be true with various claims of people who think they are reincarnations of Him .
Written clearly in the bible .
Hahahahaha clearly written in the bible? how does the bible writing anything make it truehuh

Olumba Olumba Obu actually is a very much existential figure in fact he's still alive by the way.

You see the point? So we are still waiting how Jesus's claim proves your
own God anymore than Olumba olumba Obu's claim does?

we are still waiting though

Yes Jewish Mythology just like we also have Greek mythologies and legends.
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:25pm On Apr 22, 2016
urahara:
.the quran also tells us 2 be watchful of false christs and prophets in various surahs and hadiths
So the quran agrees then .
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:26pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Stop talking nonsense . You dont tell me what to do undecided . The noble holy quran gave an infallible account of muhammad s.a.w which includes his words on earth .
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:28pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
https://www.nairaland.com/2845259/all-different-religions-how-know
Hahahaha common this should be a discussion... The questions are still hanging..

-Islam was founded on the teachings of Muhammed who also lays claims to
outstanding Miracles and presence of God too.
(Somehow ended up having a very different concept from yours even though
both allegedly got a first hand presence feel of the 'God')

-Confucianism is founded on the teachings of Confucius

-Buddhism founded on the teachings of Buddha..

So how does this make yours any better ? Now this still does not answer
the question which is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity which turns out to be different with every religion..
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:28pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Hahahahaha clearly written in the bible? how does the bible writing anything make it truehuh

Olumba Olumba Obu actually is a very much existential figure in fact he's still alive by the way.

You see the point? So we are still waiting how Jesus's claim proves your
own God anymore than Olumba olumba Obu's claim does?

we are still waiting though

Yes Jewish Mythology just like we also have Greek mythologies and legends.
Jesus is a historical figure not a myth . Jesus's prescience of false Christs who would come after His existence was documented in the bible as seen in the aforementioned verse . Outlandish , weak and blatant claims that Christ is a myth is nothing more than a cavil cool . Why are you resorting to a back and forth cheesy
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:29pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Stop talking nonsense . You dont tell me what to do undecided . The bible gave an infallible account of Christ which includes his words on earth .
so since the Quran as Urahara pointed out also mentioned Muhammed and his words, does this prove Muhammed actually rode a flying horse named Buraq?
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:30pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
so since the Quran as Urahara pointed out also mentioned Muhammed and his words, does this prove Muhammed actually rode a flying horse named Buraq?
I am not a muslim angry grin . Go ask a muslim that question bro cool .
Re: Debate An Atheist by urahara(m): 3:31pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
So the quran agrees then .
WHAT THE DUCK. U TOTALLY. MISSED MY POINT which is the quran tells all muslims that their prophet is d right one and that they should be on d look out for false prophets and christs just d same were ur story book tells u guys that ur prophet is d right one qnd u should be on thw look out for false prophets and christs
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:31pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus is a historical figure not a myth . Jesus's prescience of false Christs who would come after His existence was documented in the bible as seen in the aforementioned verse . Outlandish , weak and blatant claims that Christ is a myth is nothing more than a cavil cool . Why are you resorting to a back and forth cheesy
hahahaha we still on the same page brother..

Does Olumba Olumba Obu's existence prove he is actually God?

so if anyone claims to be a deity and turns out that person was a historical figure, this automatically proves he was a deity? grin

Muhammed also claimed to have ridden a flying horse and muhammed was a historical figure, does this prove Muhammad actually rode Buraq?
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:33pm On Apr 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Hahahaha common this should be a discussion... The questions are still hanging..

-Islam was founded on the teachings of Muhammed who also lays claims to
outstanding Miracles and presence of God too.
(Somehow ended up having a very different concept from yours even though
both allegedly got a first hand presence feel of the 'God')

-Confucianism is founded on the teachings of Confucius

-Buddhism founded on the teachings of Buddha..

So how does this make yours any better ? Now this still does not answer
the question which is

-Tell us how religions perceived this being in order to assert it actually
existed at all

-So how can religious even tender any understanding of an inscrutable entity which turns out to be different with every religion..
(Isn't these characters then works of assumptions? )
That thread perfectly answers your questions bro . I can't indite a verbiage now when a thread has done the job
Re: Debate An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 3:34pm On Apr 22, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
I am not a muslim angry grin . Go ask a muslim that question bro cool .
Lmao aren't you the same person that thinks that because the bible recorded the alleged words of Jesus then it proves Jesus was a deity?

So how come when faced with the same situation as in the case of Muhammed that logic breaks down?..

Since biblical accounts in your own idea proves a deity Jesus doesn't the Quranic accounts also prove Muhammad flew on a flying horse then?
Re: Debate An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:34pm On Apr 22, 2016
urahara:
WHAT THE DUCK. U TOTALLY. MISSED MY POINT which is the quran tells all muslims that their prophet is d right one and that they should be on d look out for false prophets and christs just d same were ur story book tells u guys that ur prophet is d right one qnd u should be on thw look out for false prophets and christs
ok then . If you say so cool
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