LoJ:

Hello analice107.

Inasmuch as I don't want to question your experience of hearing God - Indeed people are entitled to their experience - you should however recognize that it does not make sense to celebrate the death of Jesus as the way for your salvation, and at the same time vilify and despise Judah and the others who according to the bible, are the one who made possible.

If Jesus came on earth to bear people's sins and die on the cross on behalf of human, then it results that all those who made his mission possible i.e. Judah, Pilatus and the romans who crucified him, were great tools in accomplishing the will of God.

So it is either, the death of Jesus was against the will of God and all those who contributed to it, did wrong, or, the death of Jesus was the will of God, then all those who made it possible, should be celebrated.

That's just common sense.

Greetings.

asalimpo:
Actually, God didnt use judas to fulfill his will. In that God didn't spur him to betray Jesus, then put the blame on Him. God, simply turned the Devil's plan on its Head.

CoolUsername:
I thought Lucy said you should stop talking to that guy!

LoJ:

Hello Asalimpo. Thank you for your submission.

If Judas and others didn't kill Jesus, would the plan have been accomplished? Judas and the romans are the ones that made the plan to happen, not so? If according to you, God used the death of Jesus to save mankind, then all those who contributed to the death have fulfilled the will of God, abi?

Why then vilify someone that helped accomplish the will of God? The issue here is not whether God pushed Judah to do that or not. The fact of the matter here is, Judah helped killed Jesus, and according to you, Jesus came to die. Then Judah should be appreciated for helping mankind.

Besides, why would a God that said thou shall not murder, use the same murder to save mankind from his sin? Can you wash dirt with dirt?

My intention was not, and is not, to interfere with your beliefs. Indeed, anyone is entitled to his beliefs and I respect that. But I just wanted to outline the incoherence in asserting that Judah is a vilain, then claim that the death of Jesus, death caused by Judah, saved mankind according to the will of God.

Greetings.

LoJ:

Hello Asalimpo. Thank you for your submission.

If Judas and others didn't kill Jesus, would the plan have been accomplished? Judas and the romans are the ones that made the plan to happen, not so? If according to you, God used the death of Jesus to save mankind, then all those who contributed to the death have fulfilled the will of God, abi?

Why then vilify someone that helped accomplish the will of God? The issue here is not whether God pushed Judah to do that or not. The fact of the matter here is, Judah helped killed Jesus, and according to you, Jesus came to die. Then Judah should be appreciated for helping mankind.

Besides, why would a God that said thou shall not murder, use the same murder to save mankind from his sin? Can you wash dirt with dirt?

My intention was not, and is not, to interfere with your beliefs. Indeed, anyone is entitled to his beliefs and I respect that. But I just wanted to outline the incoherence in asserting that Judah is a vilain, then claim that the death of Jesus, death caused by Judah, saved mankind according to the will of God.

Greetings.

asalimpo:
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asalimpo:
God, used satan,without satan knowing this.

God used that incident where innocent blood was shed, to procure salvation for mankind

analice107:

LOL, I can't believe you actually said this. Jesus is in Heaven at Juda's expense? Really? Pls go ahead and accuse Jesus of making Judas a thief. Just like you accuse God of creating people homosexuals, even when he hates it and will punish the offenders.
Open your mouth and say Jesus was responsible for Judas' theft, and the choice to kill himself rather than repent.
Do you know that when you commit a sin and repents from it you'll be forgiven? One of the thieves crucified with him was forgiven just by asking.
Two people committed the same sin, two of them realized themselves, were remorseful, the power of choice came into play. Judas chose to commit suicide, while Peter chose to ask for forgiveness and was restored. Do you realize that they committed the same sin? Shd Jesus have taken that decision for Judas?
Now can you see that however you turn out is dependant on the choices you make? It's well Ooo, people.

LoJ:

Hello Asalimpo. Thank you for your post.

I did not say God did not foresee Judas' betrayal. I did not say God pushed Judas to murder Jesus. You are deviating from the simple point.

And the point is: if the will of God was that Jesus be murdered, and if Judas (among others) made it possible that Jesus be killed, then Judas was instrumental in accomplishing the will of God. How do you treat someone who helps accomplish the will of God? So If according to you, the murder of Jesus was the will of God, the logical consequence is, whoever helped the murder of Jesus, was an instrumental of God.

Whether according to You - or the bible - God did not push him and foresaw it, is inconsequential. The fact remains that, according to you God used him to accomplish his will. Thus he was God's instrument.

Again, How can a God that prohibits murder, use the very murder to cleanse sin? How can sin cleanse sin?

Good night to you .

SpotlezDonald25:
Asalimpo and LoJ u guys are just good at what u do.

LoJ:

Thank you for the compliment. Still, I admit that I do not really understand what you meant by that.

Have a great day!

elantraceey:
Sonoflucifer you forgot the remaining part?

sonOfLucifer:
boo how is everything?

UyiIredia:


Wazap ! Where have u been ?

sonOfLucifer:
I'm good, Bro. Was banned like Barnabas.
How are you?

sonOfLucifer:

boo how is everything?

elantraceey:
Love, everything is beautiful, how have you been? i'm still waiting for the end of this story of yours.

K9blunt:


There was a place in the Bible where god hardened the heart of Pharaoh and he worsened the suffering of the Israelites, is it pharaoh's fault or god, because he should be in hell for letting god harden his heartheart

aemmy:


Pharaoh didn't know what God capable of b4 den, he doesn't respect God nd he made God's ppl(Israelites) to suffer... Making him hardhearted is just a way to make him pay for what he did and to mk him nd odas know how powerful God is nd satan could av used anyone of d disciples bt it was easier for him to leverage on judas ' weakness... Good day

K9blunt:


That is really bogus, how can I make you extra wicked just to spite you. Am still trying to decipher the logic behind that falacy

aemmy:


He only hardened his heart nt to let dem go... Hes nt responsible for pharaoh's wicked behavior towards d Israelites... U need JESUS to understand it better

aemmy:


He only hardened his heart nt to let dem go... Hes nt responsible for pharaoh's wicked behavior towards d Israelites... U need JESUS to understand it better

sonOfLucifer:

.Pharoah's behavior towards the Israelites was wicked. He deserved to be punished. When the Israelites destroyed and slaughtered other tribes in the name of God, it was justice. Thank God say em enslave us, how we for use go heaven? I spit on your skin color.

K9blunt:


I don't need Jesus I need logical reaaoning. There is a big difference my dear.

aemmy:


Its logical bt it takes an open mind to see dt : it is difficult to understand it wen one's mind is hardened towards d gospel

LoJ:

If according to your words, God used Satan, then satan must be congratulated. Isn't it? Whether Satan knew or not is inconsequential.


How is it consistent with justice and love to punish an innocent for the sin of someone who is guilty?

Even on earth, would you accept that an innocent baby serves life imprisonment for the sin of his criminal father? How can God be Justice and love, when people who do wrong, go scott free, and an innocent one bear the responsibility of their wrong? Does it make any sense?

Again, what is there in the Blood of animals or the blood of Jesus that removes sin? Is God similar to witch doctors? If the blood of animals in the OT could not remove sins, why then command people to kill animals in the first place? Why later on change the law?

Is change consistent with perfection? Can a perfect Law given by a perfect and omniscient being be subject to change? Don't we change when there is a need for improvement? Can something perfect be improved?



Good night my brother.

K9blunt:



Story,
Your imaginary sky daddy was just too egoistical, so he preferred showing his might by hardening an already hardened person just to punish him.....
Like that's just plain bogus, so much for giving humans choice.
In fact that theory negates the freedom of choice your god allegedly gave humans since creation.

As for Judas the poor guy was a pawn in your blood thirsty god because he just wanted he himself (son in the trinity. Lol) to suffer and die so he(god) could forgive humans .............. Common who are we kidding.



This just shows the bible is just a book by humans inspired by conspiracy and thrill seeking nature to rule psychological slave minded people (no pun intended) .

Wake up, majority of what has be taught by the bible and many other religious entities are based on human theories...... Their gods always have human tendencies I.e anger, hunger,sexual urges, jealousy etc. Yet they have supernatural powers to dominate and change rules as they want because they are gods! Take for instance; superman, wonder woman, Hera,Zeus,hades, then your bible god. They have supernatural and super powers but yet human tendencies.