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goodnews201668:
Have i ever discussed anything about 'it' with you? Must you accuse and blame everybody?
Always looking for ways to derail.

zodiakzax:
your level of understand is 2 out of 100, and that is why you can never understand us. What or who is the Church? The church is the body of Christ and the blvrs are members of that body. Church is not a building or a place or a denomination. each individual believer forms the Church of God. When two or more are gathered there He is in our midst. Why are u surprise when he said he doesn't go to church on sunday? Is there any law in the scriptures That say sunday should be our meeting day? "A time is coming and has come when the true worshippers shall worship God in spirit and in truth.." I in particular Do Not Go To"church" on sunday. I have A rich fellowship with Jesus everyday. And whenever my other brothers are free we meet up and fellowship together. The law is "unless a man abides in Christ, you cannot bear fruit on your own". We ought to seek and abide in Christ daily. We indeed belong to the Church of God.

zodiakzax:
your level of understand is 2 out of 100, and that is why you can never understand us. What or who is the Church? The church is the body of Christ and the blvrs are members of that body. Church is not a building or a place or a denomination. each individual believer forms the Church of God. When two or more are gathered there He is in our midst. Why are u surprise when he said he doesn't go to church on sunday? Is there any law in the scriptures That say sunday should be our meeting day? "A time is coming and has come when the true worshippers shall worship God in spirit and in truth.." I in particular Do Not Go To"church" on sunday. I have A rich fellowship with Jesus everyday. And whenever my other brothers are free we meet up and fellowship together. The law is "unless a man abides in Christ, you cannot bear fruit on your own". We ought to seek and abide in Christ daily. We indeed belong to the Church of God.

goodnews201668:
Oga you didn't prove anything, that's y i am dancing azonto with you guys

Jozzy4:
Church is not a building ... biblically.

and I don't see the Witnesses calling their building of worship church . do they ?


I asked the question from the general point of view e.g u hear christ apostolic Church, Redeemed Church, winners Church, e.t.c all of them is church, church , church which is why I sometimes add MINISTRY YOU ATEND to explain what I mean by church, I guess u can't comprehend that .


abi na private home fellowship u too dey do ?

Jozzy4:
Church is not a building ... biblically.

and I don't see the Witnesses calling their building of worship church . do they ?


I asked the question from the general point of view e.g u hear christ apostolic Church, Redeemed Church, winners Church, e.t.c all of them is church, church , church which is why I sometimes add MINISTRY YOU ATEND to explain what I mean by church, I guess u can't comprehend that .


abi na house fellowship u too dey do ?

dolphinheart:
you did not tell what the Godhead is?

zodiakzax:
I am not Part of any denomination I belong to the body of Christ Which is The Church of God. You may call it however you wish.

goodnews201668:
Another double post.

Jozzy4:
haaaaaa where is the bold written in the bible ? i need u to show me where thomas said so to JESUS when JESUS was baptized


barristter07 , dolphinheart , jessicha ... keep your eyes on this liar

johnw74:
You are wrong yet again false jw, here is an imaginery occurence to show you that the pronoun "it" can be used for anyone including Father God:

When Jesus was Baptized the voice of Father God was heard from Heaven, saying: "this is my beloved Son"
Thomas said to Jesus: "Jesus, is that your Father? to which Jesus replied: yes "it" is.
However the Father God is not a "it" a thing, but a person, in fact the person of God.

Lie Lie jozzy

You are wrong in every single post to me in this thread, have a look bach through them, you don't believe the Bible scriptures posted, and you call others who post and believe the scriptures, liars.

Are there people more evil than that in the world

Jozzy4:
Church is not a building ... biblically.

and I don't see the Witnesses calling their building of worship church . do they ?


I asked the question from the general point of view e.g u hear christ apostolic Church, Redeemed Church, winners Church, e.t.c all of them is church, church , church which is why I sometimes add MINISTRY YOU ATEND to explain what I mean by church, I guess u can't comprehend that .


abi na private home fellowship u too dey do ?

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy

You keep calling liar where there is no lie, but that's just you taking after your god, while lying yourself.

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night

The words "an imaginery occurence" means it's not real,
it's just giving an example.

I have to keep saying that you have no understanding at all,
and you keep showing it to be true.




^^^
@blue, And you once again show all of that to be true.

brocab:
A again, and again I am a born again Christian, My Church is God's Church.
What's the name of your Church?

brocab:
In your case its called the watchtower this is the church you stand by.

Jozzy4:
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johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy

You keep calling liar where there is no lie, but that's just you taking after your god, while lying yourself.

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night

The words "an imaginery occurence" means it's not real,
it's just giving an example.

I have to keep saying that you have no understanding at all,
and you keep showing it to be true.




^^^
@blue, And you once again show all of that to be true.

johnw74:
That was no double post from me, but lying comes naturally to false jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jozzy4:

solite3:
continue to dance

goodnews201668:
I already knew you won't be proud of your church.

solite3:
you need not to discuss it with me. This is a forum where anybody is free to comment on anything

goodnews201668:
Why lie against me in the first place?

Rawblings:
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word(Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Another confirmation is in Mattew 3:16
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[c] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

solite3:
which lie

brocab:
What is the Godhead?
Dolphinheart you don't give to heart about anything that is written either in the bible, or you don't acknowledge any of the scriptures that are explained to you in pure English.
These verses may not be found in the NWT bible, if they are I am sure, the wording wouldn't be written like it's in the King J Version.
But sadly enough it is found 3 times in the KJV
{Acts 17:29} Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like Gold or silver or stone, an Imaged formed by the art of imagination of man.
{Romans 1:20} For this invisible attributes, namely His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
{Colossians 2:9} For in Him the hole fullness of deity dwells bodily.
In each of the 3 verses a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same deity or "divine" nature, the Word Godhead is used to refer to God's essential nature.

In each of the 3 verses a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same deity or "divine" nature, the Word Godhead is used to refer to God's essential nature.

goodnews201668:
Read your comment

goodnews201668:
Is that trinity?

dolphinheart:
YOU COULD NOT REPLY TO THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU, THE NEXT THING IS TO QUOTE MY POST DIRECTED TO SOME ONE ELSE.




for the Greek text of acts 17:29, check this Web page:
biblehub.com/text/acts/17-29.htm

Theion may refer to
θεῖον, Greek for " sulfur "
θεῖον, Greek for "divine",
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theion_(disambiguation)


Englishman's Concordance
θεῖον (theion) — 1 Occurrence
Acts 17:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἀνθρώπου τὸ θεῖον εἶναι ὅμοιον
NAS: not to think that the Divine Nature is like
KJV: not to think that the Godhead is like
INT: of man that which [is] divine to be like

At acts 17:29 , Paul, when in Athens, showed that it is illogical for humans to imagine that “the Divine Being [to theiʹon, form of theiʹos ] is like gold or silver or stone.” Many translators here use terms such as “the Godhead,” “the Deity,” or “the divinity” ( KJ, AS, Dy, ED, JB, RS ), while E. J. Goodspeed’s translation says “the divine nature.”
According to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, the expression to theiʹon “is derived from the adjective theíos, meaning ‘pertaining to God,’ ‘divine.’” (Edited by G. Bromiley, 1979, Vol. 1, p. 913)

Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon gives as the meaning “the Divinity.” (Revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, pp. 787, 788)

So the phrase to theiʹon can be understood to refer to a person or to a quality. Obviously, then, the context must guide the translator in his choice of words. Here at acts 17:29, the context clearly shows that the person of God is being described, and so the expression is appropriately rendered “Divine Being” in the New World Translation. —Compare NIV.

Paul was a witness of the artistic splendor of Athens, developed around the worship of the Grecian gods and goddesses, and he showed an audience there how illogical it was that humans, owing their life and existence to the true God and Creator, should imagine that “the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.” He thus demonstrated again that artistic beauty, no matter how impressive or attractive, does not of itself recommend any religion as being true worship.—Compare . joh 4:23, 24


At this point, I'll like to emphasis the silliness of brocabs attack on the difference in translations between the NWT and the KJV
Acts 17:29
NKJV: that the Divine Nature
KJV: that the Godhead
King James 2000 Bible: that the Deity

PLS NOTE THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS TRANSLATIONS AND NOTE WHAT THEY TRANSLATED THE GREEK WORD AS. THIS RUBISHES BROCABS CLAIMS ABOUT TRANSLATIONS ABOVE.

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For the Greek text of Rom 1:20, check this Web page
biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/1-20.htm

θειότης (theiotēs) — 1 Occurrence
Romans 1:20 N-NFS
GRK: δύναμις καὶ θειότης εἰς τὸ
NAS: power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
KJV: power and Godhead; so that they
INT: power and divinity for

Strong's Concordance
theiotés: divinity, divine nature
Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theiotés
Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: divinity
Definition: divinity, divine nature
biblehub.com/greek/2305.htm

At romans 1:20, the apostle refers to the undeniable visible evidence of God’s “invisible qualities,” particularly his “eternal power and Godship [Thei·oʹtes ].” Other translations read “Godhead” or “deity” ( KJ, NE, RS, JB), conveying to many the idea of personality, the state of being a person.
However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the Greek word thei·oʹtes means “divine nature, divinity.” (P. 788) So there is a basis for rendering thei·oʹtes as referring to the quality of being a god, not the person of God, and this is supported by the context.
The apostle is discussing things that are discernible in the physical creation. For example, while the creation does not reveal the name of God, it does give evidence of his “eternal power”—needed to create and sustain the universe. The physical creation also displays his “Godship,” the fact that the Creator truly is God and is worthy of our worship.

The creative works testify to the fact that God exists. But, according to Paul, even certain of those people who “knew God” suppressed this truth. Rather than serving God in harmony with the truth concerning his eternal power and Godship, they made idols and worshiped these. Not being real gods, idols are an untruth, a lie or falsehood.
Hence, these persons, though having the truth of God, exchanged it “for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” Their turning to the falsehood of idolatry led them into all kinds of degraded practices.— .Rom 1: 18-31

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θεότητος (theotētos) — 1 Occurrence
Colossians 2:9 N-GFS
GRK: πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς
NAS: the fullness of Deity dwells
KJV: all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
INT: fullness of the Deity bodily

At col 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes ] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. ( KJ, NE, RS, NAB )
However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792)
The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.”
New International Version
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
English Standard Version
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
King James Bible
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” ( KJ, Dy ), because it was “by God’s own choice.” ( NE ) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father.
Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”
col 3:1King James Bible
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Considering the immediate context of , it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7 )
In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.— .col 2: 10-12.

BROCAB IS TRYING TO TELL US THAT THESE THREE GREEK WORDS MEANS GODHEAD, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS RENDERED IN THE KJV, BUT TO SEE THE INCONSISTENCIES OF THE KJV AND THE TEXT IT TRANSLATED(THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS CONCERNING THOSE THREE GREEK WORDS, PLS CHECK THE WEB PAGE BELOW.
hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/15746/what-does-the-greek-word-θεότητος-in-colossians-29-mean

Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:


now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.

solite3:
there is no lie in my comment. May God deliver you

solite3:
continue in your confusions

goodnews201668:
Did i ever discuss 'it' with you? You accuse me of doing so yet you are denying it. What's it called? LIE

goodnews201668:
What's the name of your church? Say it if you aren't the confused fellow here.