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dolphinheart:
YOU COULD NOT REPLY TO THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU, THE NEXT THING IS TO QUOTE MY POST DIRECTED TO SOME ONE ELSE.




for the Greek text of acts 17:29, check this Web page:
biblehub.com/text/acts/17-29.htm

Theion may refer to
θεῖον, Greek for " sulfur "
θεῖον, Greek for "divine",
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theion_(disambiguation)


Englishman's Concordance
θεῖον (theion) — 1 Occurrence
Acts 17:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἀνθρώπου τὸ θεῖον εἶναι ὅμοιον
NAS: not to think that the Divine Nature is like
KJV: not to think that the Godhead is like
INT: of man that which [is] divine to be like

At acts 17:29 , Paul, when in Athens, showed that it is illogical for humans to imagine that “the Divine Being [to theiʹon, form of theiʹos ] is like gold or silver or stone.” Many translators here use terms such as “the Godhead,” “the Deity,” or “the divinity” ( KJ, AS, Dy, ED, JB, RS ), while E. J. Goodspeed’s translation says “the divine nature.”
According to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, the expression to theiʹon “is derived from the adjective theíos, meaning ‘pertaining to God,’ ‘divine.’” (Edited by G. Bromiley, 1979, Vol. 1, p. 913)

Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon gives as the meaning “the Divinity.” (Revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, pp. 787, 788)

So the phrase to theiʹon can be understood to refer to a person or to a quality. Obviously, then, the context must guide the translator in his choice of words. Here at acts 17:29, the context clearly shows that the person of God is being described, and so the expression is appropriately rendered “Divine Being” in the New World Translation. —Compare NIV.

Paul was a witness of the artistic splendor of Athens, developed around the worship of the Grecian gods and goddesses, and he showed an audience there how illogical it was that humans, owing their life and existence to the true God and Creator, should imagine that “the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.” He thus demonstrated again that artistic beauty, no matter how impressive or attractive, does not of itself recommend any religion as being true worship.—Compare . joh 4:23, 24


At this point, I'll like to emphasis the silliness of brocabs attack on the difference in translations between the NWT and the KJV
Acts 17:29
NKJV: that the Divine Nature
KJV: that the Godhead
King James 2000 Bible: that the Deity

PLS NOTE THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS TRANSLATIONS AND NOTE WHAT THEY TRANSLATED THE GREEK WORD AS. THIS RUBISHES BROCABS CLAIMS ABOUT TRANSLATIONS ABOVE.

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For the Greek text of Rom 1:20, check this Web page
biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/1-20.htm

θειότης (theiotēs) — 1 Occurrence
Romans 1:20 N-NFS
GRK: δύναμις καὶ θειότης εἰς τὸ
NAS: power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
KJV: power and Godhead; so that they
INT: power and divinity for

Strong's Concordance
theiotés: divinity, divine nature
Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theiotés
Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: divinity
Definition: divinity, divine nature
biblehub.com/greek/2305.htm

At romans 1:20, the apostle refers to the undeniable visible evidence of God’s “invisible qualities,” particularly his “eternal power and Godship [Thei·oʹtes ].” Other translations read “Godhead” or “deity” ( KJ, NE, RS, JB), conveying to many the idea of personality, the state of being a person.
However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the Greek word thei·oʹtes means “divine nature, divinity.” (P. 788) So there is a basis for rendering thei·oʹtes as referring to the quality of being a god, not the person of God, and this is supported by the context.
The apostle is discussing things that are discernible in the physical creation. For example, while the creation does not reveal the name of God, it does give evidence of his “eternal power”—needed to create and sustain the universe. The physical creation also displays his “Godship,” the fact that the Creator truly is God and is worthy of our worship.

The creative works testify to the fact that God exists. But, according to Paul, even certain of those people who “knew God” suppressed this truth. Rather than serving God in harmony with the truth concerning his eternal power and Godship, they made idols and worshiped these. Not being real gods, idols are an untruth, a lie or falsehood.
Hence, these persons, though having the truth of God, exchanged it “for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” Their turning to the falsehood of idolatry led them into all kinds of degraded practices.— .Rom 1: 18-31

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θεότητος (theotētos) — 1 Occurrence
Colossians 2:9 N-GFS
GRK: πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς
NAS: the fullness of Deity dwells
KJV: all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
INT: fullness of the Deity bodily

At col 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes ] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. ( KJ, NE, RS, NAB )
However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792)
The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.”
New International Version
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
English Standard Version
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
King James Bible
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” ( KJ, Dy ), because it was “by God’s own choice.” ( NE ) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father.
Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”
col 3:1King James Bible
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Considering the immediate context of , it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7 )
In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.— .col 2: 10-12.

BROCAB IS TRYING TO TELL US THAT THESE THREE GREEK WORDS MEANS GODHEAD, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS RENDERED IN THE KJV, BUT TO SEE THE INCONSISTENCIES OF THE KJV AND THE TEXT IT TRANSLATED(THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS CONCERNING THOSE THREE GREEK WORDS, PLS CHECK THE WEB PAGE BELOW.
hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/15746/what-does-the-greek-word-θεότητος-in-colossians-29-mean

Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:


now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.

brocab is a confused person, maybe it means they will be partakers of the Godhead

solite3:
I belong to the church of God

hehehehe, you don enter one chance today , their are many so called church of God o, which of them exactly ?

Jozzy4:
hehehehe, you don enter one chance today , their are many so called church of God o, which of them exactly ?

the body of Christ is only one

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PLS NOT 2 THAT BROCAB HAS NOT ATTEMPTED TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OR HAS SHOWN ANY WILLING NESS TO QUOTE AND EXPLAIN CERTAIN SCRIPTURES POSTED TO HIM!
he prefers to still bring up issues and refuse to respond when previous issues had been made clear to him. His grand aim is to find fault by amy means while offering no alternatives.

I have answered some verses in rev , not the whole book, and of the one I answered, showing you what I believed in, you have not been able to respond.

answer to your question: the context is about Jesus , therefore there is no need to mention the father! jesus was the one the disciples saw ascending, not the father and jesus! it was this ascention that was used to describe the future coming of jesus !


no problem with if you find my teachings out of wack with Russells, as long as it's not out of wac with the scriptures you refused to quote and explain.
and mostimes, when you start with the letter "i", what comes next will most probably be a lie!

Russell your founder agrees that Jesus is the Almighty

good afternoon doctor brocab, reality says you are wrong! wishing high blood pressure on me is something that will never come to pass!

How can I say say the verse never said so, of cus , the verse said what is recorded their na!
But I can say , with full confidencecan full conviction that the verse never said any of the following :

"I and the Father are one God ”
"I and the Father are one person”
"I and the Father are one spirit”

what did john 10: 30 say?
Joh 10:30I and the Father are one.”

what did Jesus mean?
Joh 10:37If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me.
Joh 10:38But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”

in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

Joh 17:11“I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that they may be one JUST AS we are one.

Christians are one with Christ

Joh 17:21 so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us so that the world may believe that you sent me.

Jesus agreement is because has same nature as God.

read those verses above brocab, it will help you understand what being one with the father means!


unlike you , I dnt search for indirect meanings to gods woRd and I don't act as if I'm blind to scriptures and refuse to quote and explain them , I used the scriptures to guide my words,
for example , you claim that Jesus is your god, I claim using jesus and the disciples direct words that the father is my God, to make my claim solid , I asked you to explain those words of jesus and the apostles , but you could not!

you use a small letter for Jesus why?
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b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

why did Jesus refer to his disciples as my brethren

1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

your case is pathetic

Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.

1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.[/b]

All things was through Christ how then was Christ created

sincere christians now know who the one God is , he is the father!
the one jesus called the ONLY TRUE GOD! - john 17:3

you have countless times called Jesus a god what type god is he, a false god or a true God

sir , where did you get this verse from, which translation has 1 Timothy 14: 27-29. you can lie about the scriptures, you can refuse to qoute certain scriptures while saying something it did not say, but to quote a fake, non existeNT verse is a new low for you brocab, I'll keep on insisting until you tell us which translations that verse exists .



you are a very cunning person, does you explanation say mine was wrong? no .
does it say Jesus is God ? no
does it say Jesus is the God being refered to in heb 1: 1 ? no! in fact it say "that it is a revelation which God had made by HIS Son."

YOUR EXPLAINATIONS AGREE WITH MINE THAT GOD USED PROPHETS AND OTHERS MEANS TO PASS MESSAGES TO HIS PEOPLE IN THE PAST , BUT IN THE APOSTLES TIMES , GOD USED JESUS .
IS THE ONE USED AND THE ONE USING THE SAME PERSON ? no !

There are some important things said in those verses which you deliberately omitted, probably the place you did your research added it, but you deliberately omitted it when posting it here.
1. The verses said Jesus is appointed by God to be heir of all things. This shows that Jesus is not the almighty god, as the almighty is not an heir!
the statement also shows that Jesus is not the same person as one who appointed him, the one who apointed him is God!

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quote]2 . you also refused to explain this very very important words found in verse 3
" when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

CAN YOU SEE HOW BROCAB DELIBERATELY TRY TO WITHOLD EXPLAINATIONS ON SOME SALIENT FACTS IN THE SCRIPTURES?

This statement found in verse 3 helps us to understand that Jesus is not the Majesty on high?
or Is jesus the ,Majesty on high?( pls notice that he will not answer)


why did God say Jesus is superior to the angels ? the answer will be explained below.


heb 1: 4 English Standard Version
having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
King James Bible
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

open your eyes brocab and read what the scriptures tell you.
The verse says " jesus became" , it did not say "jesus was". The kjv says " being made" . common sense and a desire to know the truth will lead someone to examine this scriptures carefully.
did the verse say Jesus has always been better than the angels? no it did not
did the verse say Jesus has always had the name that made him better than the angels? no!

so what is the verse telling us, it is telling us that jesus became better than the angles or became more superior to the angels cus he was made to become better or superior to the angels.
how did this occurr, the verse says this occured because he had inherited a more excellent name than the angels.

did the verse say Jesus had always had that name that made him become better than the angels ? no, heb 1:1-4 helps us to know that Jesus inherited that name after he was exalted, after he had made purifications for our sins!

brocab, pls tell us.
Can someone be given a name he already has? notice , Jesus called that name " my new name in Revelation.

the following scriptures might help you, I say might cus I fear you will not read them, talk less of explainING them

Php 2:9, 10 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name
10so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground—

Eph 1:20, 21[u]which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,[/u]
21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come.

1Pe 3:22 He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.


heb 1:5
English Standard Version
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?

this verse only exposes your false doctrines further, here is God asking a question about someone else, but you are trying to tell us that that someone is also the god asking the question!wow.
well the answer to that question is jesus Christ !

Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”

2Pe 1:17For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”

dolphinsheart you have just shot your feet. If Jesus has been lifted high above all angels and their position how come you still believe he is an archangel how couldn't rebuke the devil by his own authority
Your delusion is majestic

The point is i didn't discuss it with you.

solite3:
it does it matter whether you are discussing it with me or not

No church is registered with that name!

solite3:
I belong to the church of God

This is as simple as it sounds, The Church of God is only registered for those who believe first the natural then the Spiritual, and of course you don't believe this is why you can't find it.
Have you heard this saying the blind will lead the blind.
Man didn't build the Church of God, the flesh can't register God's Church. This Church is made supernatural first the natural then the Spirit, the larges Church there is, and you say it isn't registered?

goodnews201668:
No church is registered with that name!

Address?

brocab:
This is as simple as it sounds, The Church of God is only registered for those who believe first the natural then the Spiritual, and of course you don't believe this is why you can't find it.
Have you heard this saying the blind will lead the blind.

"Up"

goodnews201668:
Address?

The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost, and these 3 are one.
You do have a spirit don't you? And how many people are in you?

Jozzy4:
how does this prove three in one God ?

No not hatred, we are talking to you the same as we talk with other atheist who don't know Christ. We are sharing the word of God across the nations. Through the stormy weathers, the rains and snowy blitz's, we are sharing the good-news of Christ into your life's, all in the comforts of our homes.
Most people would have given up on you, many people avoid meeting with you JW's, with good reasons.
But it's us few Christians that have taken on our role, praying, someday the JW's will share that same light we have with Christ and in His glory, all man kind will bow down to Him and know that He is the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords, that every man above, on earth and under the earth will worship Him the majesty on high.
Amen....

goodnews201668:
They are always scared to mention their church! Something is wrong. They are not proud of it they are here to critize you purely out of hatred

I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true.
{John 17:21} That all of them may be one, Father just as you are in Me, and I Am in You, May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Haven't any of you 'learned anything from this one verse?

Jozzy4:
brocab is a confused person, maybe it means they will be partakers of the Godhead

goodnews201668:
The point is i didn't discuss it with you.

it doesn't matter

Can I ask dolphinheart what are you talking about, none of what you have written make any sense. And every time I had shared the word of God to you, it seems you think by tearing the words I give to you apart, this gives you some sort of power that strengthens you, over myself and God's word.
To be honest, the word of God stands above, and everything you say against it will not prevail.
Do You honestly believe you are right and the bible is wrong-this of course makes you look like a fool, I am trying to help you dolphinheart to see the scriptures as they stand, of course you believe otherwise, and because you are spiritually dead, which doesn't help.
I pointed it out where in scripture it talks about the Godhead, but because you refuse to believe who Christ is, you have tried to rip the scriptures apart, twisting them into your own words of disbelievement.
And because the bible doesn't mean anything to you-then I advise you-to leave it with those who had chosen to believe in the scriptures. And of course we Christians had chosen. We have carried the Word of God across the nations, sharing to you, and the other atheist belonging to your Church about Christ.
Which you and your organisation have refused to do so. And with your own mental state of mind, you can't seem to break through your darkness of fears, nor are you allowing anybody else to break through their darkness of fears, the truth is the bible is right in every way possible and you and your associates are wrong.
No-one can beat the word of God, not even you-once it's written it stays written. You either believe it, or you don't, it's as simple as that, Jesus said He would rather you to be Hot or Cold then Lukewarm.
And from the evidence across the world the JW's are lukewarm. You are dead in the natural and you are dead spiritually.
You either believe in Christ fully, or you stay dead eternally.

dolphinheart:
YOU COULD NOT REPLY TO THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU, THE NEXT THING IS TO QUOTE MY POST DIRECTED TO SOME ONE ELSE.




for the Greek text of acts 17:29, check this Web page:
biblehub.com/text/acts/17-29.htm

Theion may refer to
θεῖον, Greek for " sulfur "
θεῖον, Greek for "divine",
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theion_(disambiguation)


Englishman's Concordance
θεῖον (theion) — 1 Occurrence
Acts 17:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἀνθρώπου τὸ θεῖον εἶναι ὅμοιον
NAS: not to think that the Divine Nature is like
KJV: not to think that the Godhead is like
INT: of man that which [is] divine to be like

At acts 17:29 , Paul, when in Athens, showed that it is illogical for humans to imagine that “the Divine Being [to theiʹon, form of theiʹos ] is like gold or silver or stone.” Many translators here use terms such as “the Godhead,” “the Deity,” or “the divinity” ( KJ, AS, Dy, ED, JB, RS ), while E. J. Goodspeed’s translation says “the divine nature.”
According to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, the expression to theiʹon “is derived from the adjective theíos, meaning ‘pertaining to God,’ ‘divine.’” (Edited by G. Bromiley, 1979, Vol. 1, p. 913)

Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon gives as the meaning “the Divinity.” (Revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, pp. 787, 788)

So the phrase to theiʹon can be understood to refer to a person or to a quality. Obviously, then, the context must guide the translator in his choice of words. Here at acts 17:29, the context clearly shows that the person of God is being described, and so the expression is appropriately rendered “Divine Being” in the New World Translation. —Compare NIV.

Paul was a witness of the artistic splendor of Athens, developed around the worship of the Grecian gods and goddesses, and he showed an audience there how illogical it was that humans, owing their life and existence to the true God and Creator, should imagine that “the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.” He thus demonstrated again that artistic beauty, no matter how impressive or attractive, does not of itself recommend any religion as being true worship.—Compare . joh 4:23, 24


At this point, I'll like to emphasis the silliness of brocabs attack on the difference in translations between the NWT and the KJV
Acts 17:29
NKJV: that the Divine Nature
KJV: that the Godhead
King James 2000 Bible: that the Deity

PLS NOTE THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS TRANSLATIONS AND NOTE WHAT THEY TRANSLATED THE GREEK WORD AS. THIS RUBISHES BROCABS CLAIMS ABOUT TRANSLATIONS ABOVE.

................................

For the Greek text of Rom 1:20, check this Web page
biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/1-20.htm

θειότης (theiotēs) — 1 Occurrence
Romans 1:20 N-NFS
GRK: δύναμις καὶ θειότης εἰς τὸ
NAS: power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
KJV: power and Godhead; so that they
INT: power and divinity for

Strong's Concordance
theiotés: divinity, divine nature
Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theiotés
Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: divinity
Definition: divinity, divine nature
biblehub.com/greek/2305.htm

At romans 1:20, the apostle refers to the undeniable visible evidence of God’s “invisible qualities,” particularly his “eternal power and Godship [Thei·oʹtes ].” Other translations read “Godhead” or “deity” ( KJ, NE, RS, JB), conveying to many the idea of personality, the state of being a person.
However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the Greek word thei·oʹtes means “divine nature, divinity.” (P. 788) So there is a basis for rendering thei·oʹtes as referring to the quality of being a god, not the person of God, and this is supported by the context.
The apostle is discussing things that are discernible in the physical creation. For example, while the creation does not reveal the name of God, it does give evidence of his “eternal power”—needed to create and sustain the universe. The physical creation also displays his “Godship,” the fact that the Creator truly is God and is worthy of our worship.

The creative works testify to the fact that God exists. But, according to Paul, even certain of those people who “knew God” suppressed this truth. Rather than serving God in harmony with the truth concerning his eternal power and Godship, they made idols and worshiped these. Not being real gods, idols are an untruth, a lie or falsehood.
Hence, these persons, though having the truth of God, exchanged it “for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” Their turning to the falsehood of idolatry led them into all kinds of degraded practices.— .Rom 1: 18-31

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θεότητος (theotētos) — 1 Occurrence
Colossians 2:9 N-GFS
GRK: πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς
NAS: the fullness of Deity dwells
KJV: all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
INT: fullness of the Deity bodily

At col 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes ] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. ( KJ, NE, RS, NAB )
However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792)
The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.”
New International Version
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
English Standard Version
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
King James Bible
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” ( KJ, Dy ), because it was “by God’s own choice.” ( NE ) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father.
Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”
col 3:1King James Bible
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Considering the immediate context of , it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7 )
In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.— .col 2: 10-12.

BROCAB IS TRYING TO TELL US THAT THESE THREE GREEK WORDS MEANS GODHEAD, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS RENDERED IN THE KJV, BUT TO SEE THE INCONSISTENCIES OF THE KJV AND THE TEXT IT TRANSLATED(THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS CONCERNING THOSE THREE GREEK WORDS, PLS CHECK THE WEB PAGE BELOW.
hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/15746/what-does-the-greek-word-θεότητος-in-colossians-29-mean

Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:


now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.

goodnews201668:
No church is registered with that name!

Jesus' church is not of this world

Well said!

solite3:
Jesus' church is not of this world

goodnews201668:
Another example!

Lying comes naturally to false jw

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Barristter07:
johnw74




in this kind of discussion, using imaginary occurencies only prove you are pointless, now answer jozzy4 question if u get mind , IS IT used for a person ?

Lie Lie barristter

is as pathetic as false accuser jw jozzy, they ignore the plethora of scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a person
and cling to one which they don't understand.

they disbelieve the verses posted so as to support their satanic doctrines.

Jozzy4:
it lacks sense to bring an imaginary occurence to prove a point . gerrout

in other words, you cant find where " it" is used for the Father, that u have to used your head

that shows ur point is meaningless, holy spirit is called " it" , so once again is IT used for a person ?

bull, false jw couldn't understand a simple example,
but it's more than just not understanding, false jw hates the truth
because it goes against false jw satanic doctrines.

false accuser liar jw jozzy doesn't believe a plethora of scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, and clings to verses which he doesn't understand to support his satanic doctrines.

The Holy Spirit: searches, teaches, can be grieved, seals, thinks, chooses, directs, forbids, lets,
preaches, speaks, sends, calls, gives work to do, calls Himself I, talks, is called "He",
guides, shows, glorifies, gives

an "it" - a thing, cannot do any of those, they are attributes of an intelligent being.
And all false accuser, liar, false jw jozzy can say in the face of all those scriptures is: "is IT used for a person ?"

Duh




it's amazing to see how all false jw's deceive, twist, and lie non stop, just like their pharacee fore fathers.
and just as the Bible shows they would:

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,


I know false jw jozzy doesn't, and cannot, understand things of God, but I like to show others how false jw lie and falsely accuse all over the place, and to see just which spirit is in them.

Bible verses that show the Holy Spirit is a person, and which false jw don't believe, saying the Holy Spirit is not a person but is an "it",
even though very simple examples were given showing how "it" can refer to any person, even to Father God.
Even if examples were not given, Christians can easily see from the many other scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person, the person of God in fact, but that's way to much for satans disciples:

The Holy Spirit searches, the Holy Spirit is God:
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

^^^
God is Spirit, the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit), is God.


The Holy Spirit teaches:
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Holy Spirit can be grieved, the Holy Spirit has sealed believers:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


The Holy Spirit can think things are good:
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

The Holy Spirit chooses to give gifts to some:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The Holy Spirit directs activities to Christians, the Holy Spirit forbids, the Holy Spirit let (suffered) them not:
Act 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
Act 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
Act 16:8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Act 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Act 16:11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Spirit sent the three men to Peter, the Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Ghost gives Barnabas and Saul work to do, The Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Spirit talks, The Holy Spirit's voice is called "His" voice:
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

The Holy Spirit talks:
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

The Holy Spirit talks, the Holy Spirit is called "He", the Holy Spirit guides and shows you things to come:
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, and is called "He":
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit gives us words to speak in times of need:
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit can be lied to, the Holy Spirit is God:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
^^^
They lied to the Holy Ghost - to God.

johnw74:
Bible verses that show the Holy Spirit is a person, and which false jw don't believe, saying the Holy Spirit is not a person but is an "it",
even though very simple examples were given showing how "it" can refer to any person, even to Father God.
Even if examples were not given, Christians can easily see from the many other scriptures, that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person, the person of God in fact, but that's way to much for satans disciples:

The Holy Spirit searches, the Holy Spirit is God:
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

^^^
God is Spirit, the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit), is God.


The Holy Spirit teaches:
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The Holy Spirit can be grieved, the Holy Spirit has sealed believers:
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


The Holy Spirit can think things are good:
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

The Holy Spirit chooses to give gifts to some:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The Holy Spirit directs activities to Christians, the Holy Spirit forbids, the Holy Spirit let (suffered) them not:
Act 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
Act 16:7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
Act 16:8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
Act 16:10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Act 16:11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis;

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Spirit sent the three men to Peter, the Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 10:20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

The Holy Spirit speaks, the Holy Ghost gives Barnabas and Saul work to do, The Holy Spirit calls Himself "I":
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

The Holy Spirit talks, The Holy Spirit's voice is called "His" voice:
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

The Holy Spirit talks:
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

The Holy Spirit talks, the Holy Spirit is called "He", the Holy Spirit guides and shows you things to come:
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Holy Spirit glorifies Jesus, and is called "He":
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

The Holy Spirit gives us words to speak in times of need:
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Spirit can be lied to:
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

well said broda they will always hide from these truths because it will expose their lies, false witnesses love darkness rather than light so that their evil works will not be exposed.

brocab:
Well said!

this they don't even know. They don't know that in reality there is only one church which transcends all things

I am glad I belong to the church of God which he bought with his own blood

^^^
Me too

The Church are people of faith in Jesus Christ, some are in the Christian denomination Churches, and some don't belong to a denominational Church, but belong just to The Church - God's Church:

1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.


and grievous wolves are at work today preaching a false god, saying things like:
Jesus is "a god"
Jesus is "an angel"
the Holy Spirit is an "it"
God and the Word is "a two headed god"
disobeying the commandments, and so denying Father God.

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The Holy Spirit gives gifts to people as He will,
the Holy Spirit is not only called He, but He has a will,
He is more than a "it" or a thing or a power, wouldn't you say.

Jozzy4:
haaaaaa where is the bold written in the bible ? i need u to show me where thomas said so to JESUS when JESUS was baptized


barristter07 , dolphinheart , jessicha ... keep your eyes on this liar

Lie Lie jozzy

is wrong in every post, he lies and he falsely accuses.
The lies and false accusations shows the spirit that dwells in false jw's

Score:

false jw lies = uncountable (there are to many)

johnw74 lies =0

More Bible verses that false jw don't believe saying the Holy Spirit is not a person but an "it":



Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat_12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Of course we know false jw is a liar, these verses speak of them:

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also

antichrist false jw denies Jesus, saying He is "a god" "an angel", and dolphinheart saying the Father and the Son _ God and the Word, is "a two headed god".
antichrist false jw denies the Father by not believing the Bible, and by not keeping His commandments,
for one thing calling out liar where there is no lie (shalt not bear false witness)

funny how those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses are continually bearing false witness.

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Says a lot, doesn't it, no man can say Jesus is the Lord (kurios - God) but by the Holy Spirit.

solite3:
well said broda they will always hide from these truths because it will expose their lies, false witnesses love darkness rather than light so that their evil works will not be exposed.

Acts 5:3-4 shows that the Holy Spirit is not only a person, but is God,
antichrist jw won't believe it though.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

brocab:
"Up"

God don suffer!