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dolphinheart:
can you now explain to us what he said ?

" I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true.

dolphinheart:
Jesus said, he and the father are one. Jesus is Jehovah God is false, man made doctrine with no surpport from the scriptures !

solite3:
John1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God

solite3:
did the scriptures say we are part of the godhead

solite3:
you don't have right to say that since you cannot say if Jesus is a true God or a false god

dolphinheart:
he will not answer that question, it will affect his false doctrine.

Jozzy4:
okay , @ Numbers 11:17 KJV , holy spirit is an IT , is "it " used for a person ?

Jozzy4:
false teacher answer the question instead of this rant

is IT used for a person? numbers 11:25 KJV

dolphinheart:
does jehovah have a beginning ? how can the person that was with another person now be the same person he was with?

well, there is no need to wait and see if you will answer, the scriptures has told us who jehovah is, the problem you had was because the kjv removed jehovahs name in many many places it was mentioned in the scriptures, if not, you would have know Jesus is not jehovah God!

solite3:
John1:1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God

dolphinheart:
does jehovah have a beginning ? how can the person that was with another person now be the same person he was with?

well, there is no need to wait and see if you will answer, the scriptures has told us who jehovah is, the problem you had was because the kjv removed jehovahs name in many many places it was mentioned in the scriptures, if not, you would have know Jesus is not jehovah God!

dolphinheart:
your statement shows you do not know what brocab is talking about, for if you know, you would have explained his statements.

if you had asked me who Jesus is now, I would have gladly told you,

but asking me who Jesus is with only two wrong options is wrong. The two options are not right !

dolphinheart:
does jehovah have a beginning ? how can the person that was with another person now be the same person he was with?

well, there is no need to wait and see if you will answer, the scriptures has told us who jehovah is, the problem you had was because the kjv removed jehovahs name in many many places it was mentioned in the scriptures, if not, you would have know Jesus is not jehovah God!

johnw74:
Jesus is Jehovah:


Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


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Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


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Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


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Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


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Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


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Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


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Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

dolphinheart:
False doctrine!

johnw74:
Lie Lie gooknews

Your double posting was saying the same thing twice in the one post,
but false jw gooknews loves to lie.

solite3:
which of the gods are you talking about

solite3:
I ask you to point out my lie yet you failed woefully. Your organisation has taught you how to lie

brocab:
You don't believe in the Trinity, nor do you believe in the Godhead:

Nor do you accept we are all part of the body of Christ, which makes us Sons to the most high God.

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.
{1 John 2:1-3} Behold what matter of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called Children of God. Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know him. Beloved now we are children of God; and it has not been revealed that we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And if everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, Just as He is pure.
{Galatians 3:24-27} Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, but after faith has come we are no longer under the tutor. For we are all Sons of God, through faith of Jesus Christ, for as many of you were baptised into Christ have put on Christ.
{1 Corinthians 12:27} Now you are the body of Christ.
{Romans 8:14} "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , these are Sons of God, For you did not receive the Spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the spirit of adoption by whom we cry "Abba Father".

This of course is enough evidence we Christians need-

but this doesn't answer for you dolphinheart, your organisation are not classed as God's sons and dauthers, until you hand your lives over to Christ fully, you will never become a true believers in Him, and you will never understand the scriptures fully, to even know where you all stand with Christ. And if you had the Spirit of God, you would know who you are in Christ, you would know you are a child of Christ-and you would know His Spirit lives in you.

Which makes you a lair and a cheat. By their fruit we will know them.

In each of the 3 verses a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same deity or "divine" nature, the Word Godhead is used to refer to God's essential nature.

solite3:
yes it can be used for a person

goodnews201668:
You surely don't want to know, keep serving your trinity!

johnw74:
The same lie over and over again from false accuser jozzy
Yes "it" can be used for a person, examples were given but false jw jozzy ignores then because they go against his satanic doctrine that the Holy Spirit is not a person.

Lie Lie jozzy hangs onto one verse - word, and ignores many verses showing that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person,
but that's what satans disciples do.



By the way "it" wasn't in the Hebrew text that the English is taken from, it was added by some translators.

The KJV says: "and will put it upon them;"
The New KJV says: "and will put the same upon them;"

These following Bible verses give a better translation of Numbers 11:17 so as not to be to difficult for the unlearned, who think The HOLY SPIRIT is an "it"


ummm I wonder what is HOLY about an "it", a thing
Answer: nothing,.... but God is HOLY.


Numbers 11:17 (CSB) Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put [the Spirit] on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.

Numbers 11:17 (NAS) "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NIRV) I will come down. I will speak with you there. I will take some of my Spirit that is on you. And I will put the Spirit on them. They will help you carry the people's load. Then you will not have to carry it alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NKJV) Then I will come down and talk with you there. I will take of the Spirit that is upon you and will put the same upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NLT) I will come down and talk to you there. I will take some of the Spirit that is upon you, and I will put the Spirit upon them also. They will bear the burden of the people along with you, so you will not have to carry it alone.

Bamidbar 11:17 (OJB) And I will come down and speak with thee there; and I will take of the Ruach [Hakodesh] that is upon thee, and will put [Him] upon them; and they shall bear the massa HaAm (burden of the People) with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

Numbers 11:17 (RHE) That I may come down and speak with thee: and I will take of thy spirit, and will give to them, that they may bear with thee the burden of the people, and thou mayest not be burthened alone.

Numbers 11:17 (TYN) And I wyll come doune and talke with the there and take of yt spirite which is apon the and put apon them ad they shall bere with the in the burthen of the people and so shalt thou not beare alone.

Numbers 11:17 (WYC) that I come down, and speak to thee; and I shall take away of thy spirit, and I shall give to them, that they sustain with thee the burden of the people, and not thou alone be grieved. (and I shall come down, and speak with thee; and I shall take away some of the spirit that is upon thee, and I shall give it to them, so that they can help sustain the burden of the people along with thee, and so that not only thou be travailed.)

Numbers 11:17 (YLT) and I have come down and spoken with thee there, and have kept back of the Spirit which [is] upon thee, and have put on them, and they have borne with thee some of the burden of the people, and thou dost not bear [it] thyself alone.

solite3:
is "it" not used for babies or animals?

solite3:
is "it" not used for babies or animals?

Jozzy4:
wow, so which category did holy spirit belong, a baby or animal ?

solite3:
very good,now your problem has been detected. You read something and you failed woefully to comprehend it.

Gensis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
Why does the bible uses the word "beginning" in gensis 1:1?
Ans; because the heavens and the earth are the first thing God created. If not the use of the word "beginning" in gen1:1 will be wrong. The bible never uses that word again in respect to creation.

John1:1 In the beginning ( when God's very first works were created) was the word ( the word was present) and the word was with God and the word was God.

It therefore mean the word is not part of creation

Revelation 3:14 clearly states that he is the beginning or source of God's creation just as the father is the source of the creation.

Jesus again is uncreated and no other than Jehovah himself.

As for the removal of the name Jehovah
KJV didn't remove it but only replace it with LORD to prevent repetition but still left it in some places.

Even Jesus did not teach his disciples to pray calling the name of Jehovah. why was it so can you answer
I believe if there is anybody for you to accuse should be Jesus himself for not teaching his disciples to pray using Jehovah's personal name and also to teach but instead teach them to call him father.
The translators of KJV are simply following Jesus example

Ultimately you should also accuse the father for raising the name of Jesus so high that at the mention of that name every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus is the Lord.

Why giving a mere servant such honor that you didn't give to your own personal name?
Mr Accuser you doing the work of your father efficiently even the devil has respect for God but youu ? You have none. You question everything about God but follow devil blindly.

solite3:
what?

solite3:
it is you who lacks basic comprehension here

Brocab said if the bible says we are part of the Godhead then he believes it. He never said we are actually part of the Godhead

dolphinheart:

now let's he how you understood it.

[quote]YOU CAN LIE SHA!
1. seperatING a word from a sentence and use that word to explain your doctrine shows how false your doctrine is !

the verse said " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The first part of the sentence is tied to the second part , so we can say god created the heaven and the earth in the beginning.

with this, it means the heavens and earth had a beginning,no be so?( pls note if he will respond to this statement that " the heavens and earth had a beginning" .

note again that in the instance that something had a beginning ,it also means that thing was created!

2. you lie that the heavens and the earth where the first thing God created, the [s]angels existed before the heavens and earth where created, for they where rejoicing during those creative says. [/s]

3.[s] how will it be wrong if angels existed before the bigginING oF the creation of the heavens and earth.
[/s]

4. if the angels existed before the creation of heaven and earth," in the beginning" of gen 1:1 will therefore be reffering to the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, not the begginING of the creation of God!

5 you say the bible never used that word(which I believe you mean " beginning" again in respect to creation, pls read rev , 3:14, matt 19:4 and 2 pet 3:4.

again you try to diviDe a simple sentence, the verse says " in the begginING was the word" .
This implies the fact that the word had a begginING, the verse never related in the begginING with when god started creation.
you are also trying to twist " was the word" which relates more to existence, to mean presence, even if we take it to mean presence, it will mean that Jesus was not present before the beginning! , which like the scriptures rightly teach, Jesus had a beginning!, " in the beginning was the word", just like the heavens and earth also had a beginning.

can you see how you are trying to dribble yourself, adding to what that verse said while refusing to quote it. You add source to your definition of beginning now but but could not add it when you where explaining gen 1:1, and Joh 1:1.
using the same standard for " begginING will expose you, so you decided to use different standards .

King James Bible
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

sir begginING does not mean source, stop altering the scriptures, the verse correctly says that Jesus is the begginING of the creation of God,
simply means jesus is the beginning of gods creative works
jesus is Gods first creation
when god started creating, Jesus was the first.

[b]Pr 8:22Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.

Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

the Father is never attributed to be firstborn of all creation.

All over the scriptures, the term firstborn is associated with whatever it is firstborn of. ThE firstborn of a goat must be a goat
the firstborn of man must be a man
the firstborn of isreal must be an isrealites
the firstborn of the death must have Been dead
the firstborn of creation must have been created, but you decided to change that rule for it to conform with your false teachings.

Ro 8:28We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;
Ro 8:29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordainedto be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
can you see the difference between God that the apostle mentioned and jesus? iF you cannot see it add this verse to it so it becomes clearer

[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
1s jesus the same person with the one he is sitting at the right hand of?( I know you will not answer this question )

the answer is no , do you know the person who asked Jesus to sit at his right side? that person is God, Jehovah!
This busts your false teaching that Jesus is Jehovah.

this is the lamest excuse I've ever heard , CANT YOU SEE HOW UNREASONABLE YOUR ANSWER IS .

Imagine, kjv did not remove but replace.
Simple Definition of replace . : to be used instead of (something) : to do the job or duty of (someone) : to put someone or something new in the place or position of (someone or something)

GOD HAS PUT HIS NAME IN MANY PLACES IN THE SCRIPTURES, THE WRITERS OF THOSE SCRIPTURES, THOUGH USING THEIR HANDS AND DOING IT ONE BY ONE, PUT GOD'S NAME THERE.
But the kjv felt it 1 will be too repetitive to leave gods name in all places where the scriptures had put gods name, therefore they prefer to repeat LORD instead of what the ordained writers of the scriptures wrote.

THIS IS A PREFECT EXAMPLE OF ALTERING WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAID CUS OF SELFISH NEEDS.
They wanted to avoid repeating gods name by not avoidING repeating LORD. imagine, Avoid repeating the original by repeating the one they replaced the original with!, is that not a lame excuse by you!

the most painful part is that it costs nothing in leaving gods name in all places it occured, cus the kjv was printed, not hand written in all the copies available. If the manuscripts could be copied , leaving gods name there in wateva language it is copied in, who is the kjv author who now felt repeating it would have been repetitive.?


your lie know no bounds, the whole of isreal know jehovahs name, it's in their scrolls, they know the God jesus was reffering to , they know his name as Jehovah.

how on earth do you think now that Jesus would not have mentioned this name when he was quoting from the scrolls that this name was written!

how on earth would you expect jesus to say this is he had not told them the name of God?

Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
are you trying to call jesus a liar that he did not make gods name known?
If no, pls tell us what Is the name jesus made known?
your refusal to answer will show your hypocrisy and your alliance with those who had desperately tried to remove gods name from the scriptures, cus if it's left left there, it proves their doctrines to be false!

Mt 6:9“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

Jesus did not say, let our name be satisfied, now tell us, what is the name of the Father in heaven?

Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!


stop looking for excuse sir, read that verse again and stop reading parts of it while leaving the rest.

I've also noticed that anytime you dnt quote a scripture you want to talk about, you tend to try to hide something, did the verse say " the father exalted jesus" , no! it said " God exalted jesus!"

did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

Isa 52:13[u]Look! My servant[/u] will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

Ac 2:32, 33[u]God resurrected this Jesus,[/u] and of this we are all witnesses.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

mere servant? , where did you get that phrase from?

I have glorified my name, and will glorify it .
Jesus being exalted is to the glory of who? God!, the father!

1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6[u]But to us there is but one God, the Father,[/u] of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

the scriptures has directly told us who our one God is, but you refuse it, trying desperately to include jesus inside that one God!

Everyone already knows you aren't a man of God-and everything you say against a Christian-only leads back to you.
Matter of fact you are quiet funny, and I only reply back to you, because you do mock the KJ bible, and most of the other bibles as well.
And yet you can't seem to take your eye's away from them when quoting the scriptures?
You don't use your own bible-why is that
This must prove the KJ version holds the truth, who God really is.

dolphinheart:
yes I do not, like you said , they are indirect knowledge based on false and wrong ana logy of the scriptures, they are man made doctrines that cannot stand scrutiny, hence you refusal to answer questions and quote and explain scriptures. The concept of trinity was taking from pagan worship and not the scriptures.
The most dangerous part of this teachings is its many different concept.

as for the Godhead, even the NKJV is adjusting small small!


CONTINUE YOUR LIES!



could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!


need for what?


if you have read the scriptures well well, and not just quoting it to find fault, but quoting it to fully understand it, you would have understood when being gods children will occur.!
you would have also understood why they will be brothers to jesus but sons to God, why they will be heirs with jesus and Co rulers with him.
But since you read the scriptures with the sole aim of finding fault , you will not understand what it's telling you. Which affects your inability to explain certain scriptures, or respond to certain posts from me where explanation are being given!



you first lay false accusation, then use these false accusation to call me a liar and a cheat, brocab, that method will not work! on previous cases where you had made such allegations, I called you out to prove it, you could not, so you decided to adopt this new method .

your character is already known, but it still does not prevent me from asking you the question you refuse to answer:

[b]Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:


now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.