AngelAhnie:
The mods banned me for no reason

ok

1freshdude:


Thats so false! Lagos is located in the SW. Nothing more! Lagos is a high-breed society, very very diverse and here in lies the strength and economic strides!
Melting point ko, meltin point ni.
Move your lazy asses and find productive things to do...they litter everywhere!

You better tell all your yi.bo Governors to start building sufficient refugee camps for you. You are all going back to bi.afraud

robosky02:

ok

Bosky luv

FlyoruB:
@pulsa: I don't really care whether it is called Federalism or Regionalism, as long as it gives the Yorubas (rather than non-Yorubas) the exclusive right and freedom to decide for themselves how to chart their own destiny as a people. Regionalism did not prevent Zik, an igboman/non-Yoruba, from trying to become Premiere of the then Western Region headquartered at Ibadan (not even Lagos). Neither did it prevent the central govt (the unholy alliance of Balewa/Ahmadu Bello/Akintola) from undue interference via federal might and destabilization of the Western region and jailing Awo. Personally I am for any arrangement that provides a clear path to secession.

exactly my point.

1freshdude:


This sounds delusional. What do you mean by land grabbing? You mean people do not fulfill the requirements for land and property transfer before owning them? Do you know the no of Yoruba persons that have properties in London and everywhere out side Yoruba land? whats your point again?

Okay let me flow along with your logic; let me throw your question back at you. Did the Northern Cabals not fufill the requirements for owning Oil Blocs in the Niger Delta? If so, what then are the Militants fighting for? Why then are they all agitating for resource control?

Oil is a natural resource; Land is also a natural resource. Lagos is Yorubaland and it belong to the Yoruba's the same way the Niger Delta Oil belong to the Niger Deltans. Osu ibo, go back to iboland

1freshdude:
This sounds delusional. What do you mean by land grabbing? You mean people do not fulfill the requirements for land and property transfer before owning them? Do you know the no of Yoruba persons that have properties in London and everywhere out side Yoruba land? whats your point again?

You might as well come out and tell us you are a 'One Nigeria' advocate, which i clearly am not, coz it's obvious that you are approaching the issue from that vantage point. But in as much as I respect your right to your personal feelings on the subject matter, I really don't give a flying funk, sorry.

The real crux of my argument is based on the simple FACT that Lagos IS a part of the SW geopolitical zone, which was the point I made in my rebut to the user I quoted, but obviously you have a real issue with that statement of fact. Big deal. Deal with it.

That a Yoruba person owns landed property in London does not change nor negate the fact that London is in the UK now, does it? Or do you hear Yoruba property owners there calling the place a 'nomansland' on that account?? You have a brain for a reason, please make use of it.

Shewunoshewa:


That is why we should stick to the current 36-state structure as we opt for true federalism.
The states have almost become homogeneous. Merging them into regions may cause fresh problems.

Regions will be empowered to create as many states as they want. Which will even promote more development. The homogeneity of each states will even be more emphasised under the regional governance structure than now.

Be rest assured that the following states will come on board in SW - Ibadan State, Ijebu State, Oke-Ogun State, Igbomina State, Oduduwa State, Lagos Island State, Lagos Mainland State and 1 out of present Ondo state.

Catch a glimpse of the future and imagine the accelerated development rate such region will have.

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
You better tell all your yi.bo Governors to start building sufficient refugee camps for you. You are all going back to bi.afraud

Dummy....My life is so secured and better than yours. If only you know who your chatting with, Nairaland is just a way to feel the pulse of Nigeria and I must say that Nigerians are mostly stupid, lazy and trivial. Get a life!

HurtgenForest:


Fixed.

Your fantasy.

As for us in SW, we host more migrants from other regions.

Come to think of it, why don't you Ibos have just 1 city that others are willing to migrate to. Just 1.

SW has Lagos, SS has PH and Uyo, NW has Kano and KD, NC has Abuja, NE has Bauchi.

1freshdude:


Dummy....My life is so secured and better than yours. If only you know who your chatting with, Nairaland is just a way to feel the pulse of Nigeria and I must say that they are mostly stupid, lazy and trivial. Get a life!

shut your akpu smelling mouth. Who the fvck are you? At best, you are an ''industrious ibo boy'' trafficking cocaine to Indonesia. Now let this sink into your akpu filled skull - IBOS ARE GOING BACK TO IBOLAND BY FIRE BY FORCE

SuperS1Panther:


Your fantasy.

As for us in SW, we host more migrants from other regions.

Come to think of it, why don't you Ibos have just 1 city that others are willing to migrate to. Just 1.

SW has Lagos, SS has PH and Uyo, NW has Kano and KD, NC has Abuja, NE has Bauchi.

Bros, these y.ibos are not ready for federalism or regionalsim. They are not even genuinely intrested in their so called bi.afraud. What they want is a One Nigeria where the ibos would be the Alpha & Omega. That is the greedy foundation azikiwe and ironsi laid for them. A one Nigeria where the y.ibos would be in control of everything

RockHard:


You might as well come out and tell us you are a 'One Nigeria' advocate, which i clearly am not, coz it's obvious that you are approaching the issue from that vantage point. But in as much as I respect your right to your personal feelings on the subject matter, I really don't give a flying funk, sorry.

The real crux of my argument is based on the simple FACT that Lagos IS a part of the SW geopolitical zone, which was the point I made in my rebut the the user I quoted, but obviously you have a real issue with that statement of fact. Big deal. Deal with it. That a Yoruba person owns landed property in London does not change nor negate the fact that London is in the UK now, does it? Or do you hear Yoruba property owners there calling the place a 'nomansland' on that account?? You have a brain for a reason, please make use of it.

I wonder why its so difficult for you to grasp simple/glaring points. It has nothing to do with one Nigeria, there are contract and property transfer laws in every society that spells out how to acquire or transfer a property regardless of if you are a Russian or an Ibibio, you get?
So your fear is that people lay claims to owning an area? You are funny and seem to me like a man of little means and knowledge.
If you sell all your property to your neighbors the the property belongs to them. The only way to lay claim to a property is not to sell it.
You want to eat your cake and have it?

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
shut your akpu smelling mouth. Who the fvck are you? At best, you are an ''industrious ibo boy'' trafficking cocaine to Indonesia. Now let this sink into your akpu filled skull - IBOS ARE GOING BACK TO IBOLAND BY FIRE BY FORCE

Hehe, yagbesara olorun!
TI MALU RE BA FI OGUN ODUN SARE, IWAJU NI YIO MA BAA ESIN MI! Taa, Ta ni baba e, omo oloshi!

SuperS1Panther:


SW has the highest in flock of migrants from other regions.

SW will be better because the region will be able to develop at it's own exponential rate.

Funny, Which South West? if not for Lagos, look m8, Lagos has a large influx because of over centralization of the hell hole called Nigeria aka the zoo, if you let other regions developed their own regions with their OWN resources, technical knowhow, etc why should somebody in his senses go and live among his enemies because of jobs? Virtually all the IOC are based in Lagos, so what are we talking about?

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
You better tell all your yi.bo Governors to start building sufficient refugee camps for you. You are all going back to bi.afraud

no hang ya self abeg, almost all those great Biafrans there have properties in Biafra okay? Niggar arean, very unproductive set of people.

IHEJIRIKAisBOKO:
Okay let me flow along with your logic; let me throw your question back at you. Did the Northern Cabals not fufill the requirements for owning Oil Blocs in the Niger Delta? If so, what then are the Militants fighting for? Why then are they all agitating for resource control?

Oil is a natural resource; Land is also a natural resource. Lagos is Yorubaland and it belong to the Yoruba's the same way the Niger Delta Oil belong to the Niger Deltans. Osu ibo, go back to iboland

Are you supporting the Militants actions, because I am not and never said I was? Be articulate, whats your point?

1freshdude:
whats your point?

My points are:
1) You are an Osu ibo
2) All ibos are going back to iboland
3) bi.afraud is coming

1freshdude:


I wonder why its so difficult for you to miss simple/glaring points. It has nothing to do about one Nigeria, there are contract and property transfer laws in every society that spells out how to acquire or transfer a property regardless of if you are a Russian or an Ibibio, you get?
So your fear is that people lay claims to owning an area? You are funny and seem to me like a man of little means and knowledge.
If you sell all your property to your neighbors the the property belongs to them. The only way to lay claim to a property is not to sell it.
You want to eat your cake and have it?

You are a hypocrite and I am beginning to actually believe you are an igbo fellow coz they are the only set of folks that espouse such sentiments as you are voicing. You are the one arguing on the basis of fear of losing your properties owing to the assertiveness of Yorubas on their ownership of Lagos. But you need not worry about that as Yorubas are not that heartless. We didn't convert igbo properties during and after the civil war and even gladly handed them the back rents collected in their absence upon their return, unlike your ikwerre and ijaw neighbors who weren't so charitable up till today. All your talk about 'contracts' haven't helped the igbos in their efforts to retrieve their 'abandoned properties' up till today.

So you need not worry about losing your investments in a Yoruba nation in the inevitable event of the disintegration of 'One Nigeria', as I assure you that renewable resident permit concessions will be granted to individuals in your category, in accordance with world's best practices.

cocoduck:
no hang ya self abeg, almost all those great Biafrans there have properties in Biafra okay? Niggar arean, very unproductive set of people.

Osu ibo, we have heard you. But the fact still remains that all ibos must go back to iboland

pulsa:

did you mean federalism?
if that is what you meant, then perhaps they do live it but there are still other issues to it like the federal police and the executive powers of the President.

Yes, federalism remain the best for a meaningful one Nigeria. For police, we will both have state and federal. The power from Abuja will be limitated, the struggle for development will coming from the state.

cocoduck:
Funny, Which South West? if not for Lagos, look m8, Lagos has a large influx because of over centralization of the hell hole called Nigeria aka the zoo, if you let other regions developed their own regions with their OWN resources, technical knowhow, etc why should somebody in his senses go and live among his enemies because of jobs? Virtually all the IOC are based in Lagos, so what are we talking about?

there is no enemy in the south west..we are all one...we are fighting for true federalism or regionlism not to divide us more among ethnic and religious line but to bring development to the people of Nigeria.

RockHard:


You are a hypocrite and I am beginning to actually believe you are an igbo fellow coz they are the only set of folks that espouse such sentiments as you are voicing. You are the one arguing on the basis of fear of losing your properties owing to the assertiveness of Yorubas on their ownership of Lagos. But you need not worry about that as Yorubas are not that heartless. We didn't convert igbo properties during and after the civil war and even gladly handed them the back rents collected in their absence upon their return, unlike your ikwerre and ijaw neighbors who weren't so charitable up till today. All your talk about 'contracts' haven't helped the igbos in their efforts to retrieve their properties up till today.

So you need not worry about losing your investments in a Yoruba nation in the inevitable event of the disintegration of 'One Nigeria', as I assure you that resident permits concessions will be granted individuals in your category, in line with world's best practices.

You have comprehension issues. Yoruba or any other tribe need not fear what whoever person says about property ownership, if its your property, show the document slowpoke!

pulsa:
With the recent spate of calls for true federalism from several quarters of the country, I took it pertinent to research its implication for the south west and I was not impressed.
There was one thing it required which should never be allowed to see the light of day; namely State of residency.
Federalism requires state of residency over the state of origin now used, as a Yoruba man this is tantamount to us committing suicide, imagining the massive immigration(invasion) into our region send shivers down my spine; seeing as it will most likely be far better than all other regions.
To this end I feel that regionalism will favour us south westerners seeing as it allows border control to a large extent, abi ki le ro (or what do you guys think).
cc: lalasticlala

I edit my post after seeing where you explained further. I think you have point.

Kingspin:
Yes, federalism remain the best for a meaningful one Nigeria. For police, we will both state and federal. The power from Abuja will be limitated, the struggle for development will coming from the state.

You do know that the federal police will be filled by nepotism.

remedick:
You are damn so myopic. What economic benefits does state of origin or residence yield? Which one gives a better economic value, regionalism or true federalism?

It yields cultural and identity benefits.
Regionalism is better as was proved by the sage.

pulsa:

You do know that the federal police will be filled by nepotism.

but if I may ask, would regionalism still allow for resource control and contribution to the center? That is my only concern here.

remedick:
but if I may ask, would regionalism still allow for resource control and contribution to the center? That is my only concern here.

it allows for regional resource control and the contribution to the centre will be extremely minimal.

pulsa:

You do know that the federal police will be filled by nepotism.

Like in US, Federal Police will only take ove , case if it is of national dimension or if the crime was committed on a Federal property or area of federal jurisdiction.

To prevent what happened in the 60s where Zik, Balewa and Ahmadu Bello ganged up against Awo using Federal might, the constitution must specify (very explicit) when and how Federal can interfere in a regional issue.

1freshdude:


You have comprehension issues. Yoruba or any other tribe need not fear what whoever person says about property ownership, if its your property, show the document slowpoke!

You sound so fvcking naive. Go and tell that to your kinsmen who are still lamenting over their 'abandoned properties' at PH as we speak. I thought I was dealing with a reasonable person, not knowing that you are a slowpoke. I have better things to do with my time abeg.

989900E:
Reasons like everyone is sharing on this thread is the reason why I support putting federalism/regionalism on the back burner till we come out of this sinking recession. While a good thing, it is a huge distraction.

Imagine having a coming together of say 10 representatives from each state to discuss restructuring (regionalism or federalism), it will take light years before a peaceful common sense agreement can be reached.

BTW, I have a picture in my head where minimum wage is say in the N75,000 range in Lagos, Ondo, Rivers, or Akwa Ibom for example, and it is say in the N30,000 range in states like Nassarawa, Ebonyi, Kwara, Sokoto for example, that will surely spur massive migration.

regionalism allows a better recourse and provides a wide array of options to use for protecting regions from mass migration due to wage disparities.

RockHard:


You sound so fvcking naive. Go and tell that to your kinsmen who are still lamenting over their 'abandoned properties' at PH as we speak. I thought I was dealing with a reasonable person, not knowing that you are slowpoke. I have better things to do with my time abeg.

Yes you need to fetch water from the well! MALU!