goodnews201668:
This baby please stop quoting me.

You are posting to me and then say: "This baby please stop quoting me."
Duh false jw, put your dummy back in


Lie Lie gooknews

false jw cannot help but lie, it's the spirit in them,

Christians have the Spirit of truth, haven't you noticed.

dolphinheart:


hope you where not sleeping when I quoted and explained those scriptures on this thread, you could not respond then, you are bringing it up again, typical!

well I do not discuss with those whose believe comes from the search for similarities who refuse to respond to direct statements from God, Jesus and the apostles!
IF I quote the scriptures for you, you will NOT SEE IT!

Lie Lie dolphinheart

I did respond, but false jw loves to lie,
I saw your lies and twisting and explaining away the true meaning of every one of those verses,
but they are true, and show that Jehovah is Jesus.

false jw loves to lie.

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Jozzy4:


lol @ red, can you see ?

I know you are not an honest person, those that use HIM in those verses commit great grammatical blunders and they are blinded by doctrine just like you!!! I won't explain now, one simple assignment, why do you think Him was insert in a bracket @ blue ?

false accuser jw jozzy picks one or two things and disregards all the rest,
that's what satans disciples do, because they have nothing else.

This translation doesn't have "Him" in brackets, but things like that don't mean anything, except to you who has nothing.

Numbers 11:17 (NAS) "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put "Him" upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.



Lie Lie jozzy you have been blinded, you work hard at rejecting the truth, and believe all lies.

Jesus again speaks off false jw:

Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

solite3:
yes it can be used for a person

Jozzy4:


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Bill said to Jim: "is that your sister Jim?"

Jim replied to Bill: yes Bill "it" is.

Jim could have easily replied: yes Bill "she" is
buy many people use "it" when referring to persons.


Lie Lie jozzy.................all over the place

johnw74:









Bill said to Jim: "is that your sister Jim?"

Jim replied to Bill: yes Bill "it" is.

Jim could have easily replied: yes Bill "she" is
buy many people use "it" when referring to persons.



Lie Lie jozzy.................all over the place

I dont know ur false teachings blind you to this extent . very wrong @bold .

johnw74:


false accuser jw jozzy picks one or two things and disregards all the rest,
that's what satans disciples do, because they have nothing else.

This translation doesn't have "Him" in brackets, but things like that don't mean anything, except to you who has nothing.

Numbers 11:17 (NAS) "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put "Him" upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.



Lie Lie jozzy you have been blinded, you work hard at rejecting the truth, and believe all lies.

Jesus again speaks off false jw:

Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

go and do your assignment, find out why they put " him " in bracket . then your eyes go clear

@ dolphinsheart
KJV rendered the name Jehovah as LORD did not change the context whatsoever
But your new world translation drastically altered the whole bible. For example adding the article a where it was not in john1:1

KJV never did such

It was so funny when you said that you cannot say Jesus is a false god or a true god.

Then why do you oppose everything the scriptures say concerning him even the father calling him God but you say you can't answer if he is a false God or a true God

Dolphinsheart I can deduce from your statement that you don't know who Jesus is
But you claim you want to teach Christians who Jesus is.
The bible is clear about Jesus being God it is either he is a true God or a false god
We worship the true God.
Why use the word true if there are no false god.
Since you cannot say if Jesus is truly a God or not then You av no right to say he is not God.
You are high on watchtower's liquor you hear me

solite3:

Mr dolphins heart I salute your reasoning, clap for yourself.

thank you, but since it's you that is saluting, you can also do the clapping.

hmm dolphinsheart you are high own watch tower liquor.

you can say wateva you want, I've noticed you act this way when you cannot refute the explanation given, you either ignore it or try to yab your way out. I'll just repeat the truth you can't dispute :
"the verse said " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The first part of the sentence is tied to the second part , so we can say god created the heaven and the earth in the beginning.

your are a mockery

again, derogatory speech is what you employ when you find an issue or question impossible to deny or handle. EVERYONE CAN NOW SEE YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION , AS EXPECTED , YOU COULD NOT ANSWER!
" with this, it means the heavens and earth had a beginning,no be so?( pls note if he will respond to this statement that " the heavens and earth had a beginning"

everyone knows the heaven and earth had a beginning , but agreeing to such will make your logic about beginning look false!.

why did the bible use the word "created" if beginning means created.
John didn't say in the beginning God created the word but it said in the beginning was the word. Can you spot the difference? So sad your are high

did I say "beginning means created" ? no! , so who is now high!, resorting to character defamation when you have been found wrong will not help you,
this is what I said :
" note again that in the instance that something had a beginning ,it also means that thing was created!"

if you had answered the preceeding sentence or you had left the questions and this sentence above together, you would have understood better. now is my statement wrong?, is it not a fact that if something has a beginning then it is created? you could see that fact in the statement, but since it will affect your beliefs, you decided to twist what I said and accuse me on what I did not say.
solite3 beginning does not mean created, but anything that has a beginning is created , no be so ?(PLS NOTE HE WILL NOT RESPOND TO THIS )

a very big lie. Angels where never created before the heavens. To set the record straight. Angels are called the hosts of heaven. Luke 2:13, and see what d bible said about them, genesis 2::1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
You see that the heavens and its hosts were created. Note: heavens in plural meaning not just one heaven but heaven in general which God created in the beginning

1.) One can see how very cunning you are, look at the bolded above, you want to defend your lie by using only heavens, cus if you had used heaven and earth as used in genesis 1:1, you would have been found wanting!

2. )now let me bust your bubble a little bit about the record you tried to set straight.
you mentioned luke 2: 13, but you refused to quote it, we all know why.
luke 2:13 from different translations
New International Version
Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
New Living Translation
Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast host of others--the armies of heaven--praising God and saying,
English Standard Version
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
King James Bible
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
International Standard Version
Suddenly, a multitude of the Heavenly Army appeared with the angel, praising God by saying,
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Suddenly, a large army of angels appeared with the angel. They were praising God by saying,

solite3, did any of those translations use "host of heaven", no! non used it, you can argue all you want, but the plain fact is that NON USED " HOST OF HEAVEN".
Solite3, you had to use another lie to surport a first lie.

3.)you quoted gen 2: 1.: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. The word "them" their is referring to what? The host of the heavens and earth, not the heavens alone!

4. now let me tell you about the host of heaven using the scriptures.

jer 8:2
New International Version
They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
King James Bible
[b]And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven,[/u] whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

solite3 ,did you see host of heaven in the kjv here? Yes it's there!
what did the KJV refer to as the host of heaven? THE SUN AND THE MOON AND ALL THE STARS OF THE HEAVENS!
I know you wunt answer this question, but I will ask anyway, pls tell, are the sun and the moon the isrealites worshipped the angels?

Let's dig deeper.

jer 19:13 King James Bible
And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.

King James Bible
2 cor 33:3 For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them

King James Version
De 4:19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
HOPE ALL CAN SEE THE HYPOCRISY OF SOLITE3, HE WAS QUICK TO POINT TO THE VERSE THAT HE THINkS SUPPORT HIS VIEWS , BUT HE COULD NOT POINT TO VERSES WHERE THE KJV SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED "HOST OF HEAVEN ".
WE SHALL SEE IF HE WILL QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE!

5.) now let us go back to the initial lie, that God created the heavens and earth before the angels.
I said it's a lie and that the angels where created before God created the heavens and the earth.
here is my proof :
Job 38:4Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand.
Job 38:5Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
Job 38:6Into what were its pedestals sunk, Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

unless you want to tell me that the sons of God are not angels, pls believe it when I tell you that the angels where in existence before God created the heavens and earth.
(note: the word morning stars, do you know where jesus called himself such?)

the home of angels is where, how will they exist before their home.

we can look at it from two angles.
A. If the father and jesus , who are spirits existed before the creation of the heaven and earth, the angels, who are also spirits could exist before the creation of heaven and earth.
B . The heavens that the mentioned in gen 1: 1 is not the heavens where God resides , where the angels too reside.

the bible never said angels existed before the heavens. Your confusion is at a new height again.
Read again genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

your claims have been examined and proved to be false, therefore we can say "in the beginning" of gen 1:1 will therefore be reffering to the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, not the begginING of the creation of God, or are you saying the heavens and earth has no beginning?

yes the only time it was in gensis was chapter1

well , one must always lie to support a lie!, look at what you said below:
" the bible never uses that word again in respect to creation"

I responded to you saying :
"you say the bible never used that word(which I believe you mean " beginning" again in respect to creation, pls read rev , 3:14, matt 19:4 and 2 pet 3:4.".
solite3 , is genesis the bible!
apart from the issue of creation, the Hebrew word translated to " in the beginning" is used in other places apart from genesis!

smh the beginning used in genesis is used in connection with creation but the beginning of the creation of God is Christ title as the source which totally agrees with the bible.

"in the beginning is used in connection to wateva it comes before sir.
"In the begining" in gen 1:1 let's us know the heavens and earth had a beginning
"In the beginning" in Jer 26: 1, let us know that the reign of jehoiaKim had a beginning, likewise, jer 27:1
" in the beginning" in jer 49:34 , let's us know that the reign of zedekia had a beginning
" in the beginning" in John 1: 1, let's us know that the word had a beginning!

please go to your dictionary and check the meaning of beginning. I only use the alternate word for beginning which is source

now let's use source to replace beginning in John 1:1, "in the source was the word". does that make sense, can you see your folly? alternate source for beginning in all other occurrences in the scriptures and see how large your folly is.

please can you quote it from Jerusalem bible

why? , did the king James version translate it wrongly?

calm down dolphins go to your dictionary and do the needful instead of this rant

beginning:
1. The act of doing that which begins anything; commencement of an action, state, or space of time; entrance into being or upon a course; the first act, effort, or state of a succession of acts or states.
2. That which is begun; a rudiment or element.
3. That which begins or originates something; the first cause; origin; source.
4 . The initial portion of some extended thing.

of all the explanations given there , you decided to choose only one, and when we applied it to the sentence in John 1:1, it did not make sense!

be- gin- ning
an act or circumstance of entering upon an action or state:
the point of time or space at which anything begins :
www.dictionary.com/browse/beginning

:the point or time at which something begins
:a starting point
:the first part of something
beginnings : an early stage or period .
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beginning


the first part of something or the start of something
the origin of something, or the place, time, or way in which something started
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/beginning

how does this relate to what I am saying.

I shows you that jesus was created!

firstborn means the most exalted. Psalm 89

good , firstborn of all creation them means the most exalted among all of creation.

is it the father that came to this earth.

no, but someone has said jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!

you are right Jesus himself took part of the creation by becoming a man this is what we have been trying to tell you. But y didn't you use this your logic when you said Jesus has same nature as God, does it not mean that Jesus is God.

nop, read prov 8: 22-31. also the firstborn must be the first to be born of whichever category he is in.
firstborn of a goat, must be the first of the goats offprings,
firstborn of man must be the first of the man's offspring's
firstborn of all creation must be the first created.

you can apply this same logic of mine to the statement, "jesus has same nature as god" , it means jesus is a god? The only begotten God like some manuscripts say!

that is why Jesus called us his brethren not angels.

hope your statement is in agreement to the question I stated after quoting that scripture to you
"[b] Ro 8:28 We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;
Ro 8:29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordainedto be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
can you see the difference between God that the apostle mentioned and Jesus? iF you cannot see it add this verse to it so it becomes clearer.

hmm Jesus pleading on our behalf shows he is an high priest

jesus is high priest to who? god!
let's just say you did not see the underlined , that's why you could not the question, so I decided to show you again:

"[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
1s Jesus the same person with the one he is sitting at the right hand of?( I know you will not answer this question )

I didn't say Jesus is the same person as the father but Jesus himself is Jehovah God the creator

you are quick to leave the question I asked you so that you can answer the question I did not ask you, new tactics discovered.

but Jesus himself did not teach his disciples using Jehovah's personal name since the disciples were going to preach to the gentles it would have been a good way to teach about God's name but he choose not to

by your own words you are calling jesus a liar! For jesus said this :

Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
you are saying jesus did not make gods name know while he lied that he had made it known.

you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
[b]Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!

you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

[b]Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses
.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

angels are mere servants

show where that is written , don't just mention it, quote it.

Jesus never on his own authority as a man mention Jehovah's name but instead called him Father. Today Christians all over the world follow this example including the translators of kjv.

haha, so jesus called Jehovah father right! see ya hypocrisy, and I've been telling you that Jehovah is the father of jesus for ages , u just confirmed that I'm right !

so because you feel jesus did not mention Jehovah, which is false anyway, the kjv now has a right to replace gods name in places which god himself has inspired that his name should be written, which the writers had painstakingly recorded.
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :

1Ki 8:60so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Jehovah is the true God. There is no other!

Eze 36:23‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

Eze 39:7I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.’
you and your for fathers have been trying desperately to erase Jehovah's name, erase who Jehovah is so it can conform to your pagan originated doctrines, but in the long run, I it will not work!
jesus came to declare that name, but you lie that jesus did not declare it .

brocab:

Everyone already knows you aren't a man of God-and everything you say against a Christian-only leads back to you.

that knowledge sir, exists only in your mind, a mind trained to refuse to see , quote and explain certain scriptures.

Matter of fact you are quiet funny, and I only reply back to you, because you do mock the KJ bible, and most of the other bibles as well.

and if I ask you to show me where I did the mocking now, you wunt be able to respond! always ready to lay false accusations but never ready to defend it!

And yet you can't seem to take your eye's away from them when quoting the scriptures?
You don't use your own bible-why is that

you've asked this question before, and I've answered you.

This must prove the KJ version holds the truth, who God really is.

see reasoning!

{John 17} If you were to say to me, after I had seen you do many miracles like Jesus had done, raising the dead, healing the sick, preaching the word etc..
And without my understanding the word of God, I would also think the same as you, having completely no understanding what had just happened.
But because I have become a Christian, and I had seen you do all these wonderful things, and you said to me, you are in the Father and the Father is in you. I would believe you, because as a Christian, I know Jesus couldn't do anything without His Father, I and the Father are one.

did I say I did not believe Jesus and the father are not one? no , so you just ranted for nothing. look at what I said again and let's see it you will say it's a lie

"could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what Jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.[/b]

Trinity doesn't need to be written in the bible-its just another word used for Godhead, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, and these 3 are One, otherwise I and the Father are One.

yes trinity is not written in the scriptures, it had to be fomulated by men , using words and statements they had illegally added into the scriptures!
its sad to hear you say trinity is another word for godhead, why do you use trinity (man made word) instead of godhead( the one you claim is in the bible), why does the kjv not translate the three different words in the Hebrew texts to be trinity instead of Godhead.

It's not ok to add the trinity theory-but it seems its ok for you to add-Jesus didn't say He is One God. When the bible correctly said I and the Father are one.

yes, because Jesus did not say " he is one God". do not add to what the scriptures say.

In stead of mocking, why don't you read the scriptures before you start judging us.
If the pagan name is bothering you, because we Christians use the name Trinity, than I ask " if it's the pagan practises you are worried about-then why do you worship on pagan Sunday, Instead on the Sabbath Saturday?

well , I've been quoting and explaining the scriptures on these thread, why would I not read them before explaining.
pagan Sunday?, I don't understand what you mean by pagan Sunday, what is pagan Sunday?
instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?, cus me I try to worship god everyday o!

{Matthew 12:48} Jesus said who is My mother and who are my brothers, and then He turned towards His disciples and said these are My mother and My brothers for who does the will of My Father is My mother and My brothers and sisters.
This scripture say's it as it sounds, Jesus calls them family.
You always try and find ways to disbelieve in the scriptures, trying to make a mockery out of God's word.

wait! I've I ever said anything different about that verse?, you just brought a verse up, and lay false accusations. who does that!

{2 Peter 1:2-4} is another scripture you had refuse to believe. These scriptures may not sound to you dolphinheart, but as a Christian these verses are clear to me? And these scriptures shows we are part of God's nature, we have been made in His and Jesus's image.. {Genesis God said let Us make Man in "Our" image-so which image was The Lord God preferring too?}
We are all made for God's purpose, everything He made was made for Him.
KJ Version {v 4} By the promises we may become shares in the divine nature.
Does this mean because we have chosen to believe in Christ?
You wouldn't believe it, but without you knowing it, we are actually part of God's creation {Ephesians 2:10}
We are part of God's divine plan {Ephesians 1:11, Romans 8:28, 1 Corinthians 12:6, Psalms 135:6} everything that God had made we have been moulded by His Hands being part of His creation, the heavens, the skies, the angels, everything, God needed us, just as much, as we need Him.
It's a pity dolphinheart you can only see-what is put in front of you-you can't go beyond your teaching status-Jesus is calling you into His kingdom and all you need to do is accept His call.

can you see how you dribble yourself , we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

well verse 4 clears it for you brocab, you are not yet part of the divine nature , and no matter the number of "I am this , I am that " you say, this truth will remain standing.

For a third time running , you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

johnw74:


Lie Lie dolphinheart

I did respond, but false jw loves to lie,
I saw your lies and twisting and explaining away the true meaning of every one of those verses,
but they are true, and show that Jehovah is Jesus.

false jw loves to lie.

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then it will be easy for you to show us na! so what is holding you!
pls show where you responded to my explanation of those scriptures !

pls note that he will not !

It doesn't matter how many times we have explained to you the word-you will always find away to argue the point-which gives us knowledge you haven't the slightest idea which bible you should be reading-I believe you should stick with the bible you know best, the KJV, and not your own bible "which of course the NWT confuses you.
Everything sounds dripple to you-only because you are swapping from one bible to another, trying to prove your senseless point.
The bible was written simple, you don't need rocket science to know the scriptures, a Child at the age of 12 years can read and understand the word of God, we just need the Spirit of God to guild us. This is why we Christians read the bible as it sounds-because we search the scriptures and find the answers from God Himself.
But you in the other hand dolphinheart 'you are relying on your own understanding to find any answers, you not having the Spirit of God to guild you-shows the spirit in you is dead.
Did you not know the word is a living word, and the word has been given to us Christians, who had decided to believe in Christ and become born again Christians-as the word had told us to do.
Dolphinheart the word is alive, like He was from the beginning in each of us, like the Father lived in Jesus and Jesus lived in the Father, His word lives on.
You in the other hand-are trying to work your way up without faith to be with Jehovah, you yourself don't recognise the Spirit of God, only because you have refused to believe God's Spirit lived in Jesus. Nor do you believe Jesus and God are one the same.
Every Christian knows nothing is done without the Spirit of God. Jesus didn't work alone-He needed the Father, just as the Father needed Him, we need Him both-to work though us, with us, and work around us. Without the Spirit of God you are dead.
{Matthew 8:22} Jesus told them follow Me, and let the dead bury the dead
Why Is this so hard for you to understand Christ lives in each of us, He had told His disciples He will send them another helper the Holy Spirit-who you yourself have denied He is a person and this person is part of the Godhead, these 3 are 1.
Jesus lived in His Father and the Father lived in Him, we can do nothing without having to Lord living in us, In the name of Jesus-is the name above every other name 'either in the heavens, on Earth, and under the earth.
Every knee shall bow down to Jesus, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is Jehovah God who's coming in the clouds that every eye will see-Who is who was, and who is coming.
The Holy Spirit is used back then as He is used today, without the Holy Spirit-we can't do nothing without Him the Son nor the Father. Is it really impossible for you to realise, Jesus said go out unto all the world baptising them, in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. No organisation or no Church building is mentioned. Why because the Church is the body, and the body is Christ.
{Matthew 23:13} "But who unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go in yourselves, nor will you allow those who want to enter in.
Listening to you dolphinheart really makes a difference on peoples lives, you won't go into heaven nor will you allow anyone else to go in.
Don't you realise the truth about Christ is travelling at a faster rate across the nations, the word of God is spreading faster then you think dolphinheart, and their is nothing you can do to stop it.
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Forget your comeback-Check out this video's below it may help you understand the importance, we all need to know about Paganism.
And your Church as well as every other Church are practising Pagan religion.
History about the Pagan Isis goddess-and later it was Constantine-who brought the Pagan worship into the Roman Catholic Churches-and since then under Rome the Roman Catholic's had never Changed their Sun worship from Sun-day. God said you shalt not worship any other God, and Him only you shall serve.
Pagans believe in "Queen Isis, and the Catholic's believe in Mary-but the Sabbath is the last day of the week-when God finished His work.
Have you ever seen inside the Vatican, their are pictures and statues of Suns everywhere-look On the clothing the Popes and the priest wear-it has the Sun pictured on their backs.
It is really interesting, to watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xta31joiIhU

dolphinheart:

that knowledge sir, exists only in your mind, a mind trained to refuse to see , quote and explain certain scriptures.


and if I ask you to show me where I did the mocking now, you wunt be able to respond! always ready to lay false accusations but never ready to defend it!


you've asked this question before, and I've answered you.


see reasoning!


did I say I did not believe Jesus and the father are not one? no , so you just ranted for nothing. look at what I said again and let's see it you will say it's a lie

"could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what Jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.[/b]



yes trinity is not written in the scriptures, it had to be fomulated by men , using words and statements they had illegally added into the scriptures!
its sad to hear you say trinity is another word for godhead, why do you use trinity (man made word) instead of godhead( the one you claim is in the bible), why does the kjv not translate the three different words in the Hebrew texts to be trinity instead of Godhead.


yes, because Jesus did not say " he is one God". do not add to what the scriptures say.


well , I've been quoting and explaining the scriptures on these thread, why would I not read them before explaining.
pagan Sunday?, I don't understand what you mean by pagan Sunday, what is pagan Sunday?
instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?, cus me I try to worship god everyday o!


wait! I've I ever said anything different about that verse?, you just brought a verse up, and lay false accusations. who does that!



can you see how you dribble yourself , we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

well verse 4 clears it for you brocab, you are not yet part of the divine nature , and no matter the number of "I am this , I am that " you say, this truth will remain standing.

For a third time running , you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

Its clear you are just a kid.

johnw74:

You are posting to me and then say: "This baby please stop quoting me." Duh false jw, put your dummy back in

Lie Lie gooknews
false jw cannot help but lie, it's the spirit in them,
Christians have the Spirit of truth, haven't you noticed.

Jozzy4:



I dont know ur false teachings blind you to this extent . very wrong @bold .

false accuser liar jw jozzy couldn't be truthful if his life depended on it
and it does.

Lie Lie jozzy

Jozzy4:


go and do your assignment, find out why they put " him " in bracket . then your eyes go clear

false accuser liar jw jozzy, believes something here and there, and disbelieves a multitude of scriptures.

Jesus said about the blind teachers, which of course includes blind pharacee jw:
Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Lie Lie jozzy

dolphinheart:


then it will be easy for you to show us na! so what is holding you!
pls show where you responded to my explanation of those scriptures !

pls note that he will not !

false jw cannot help but lie again and again.

Truly I did respond to false jw's post,
you may not have liked my response , but that's your problem isn't it, and it is there isn't it,
Lie Lie dolphinheart

I posted the scriptures, and of course they are perfectly true,
but false jw responded to the scriptures I posted, twisting and denying the plain meaning of them.

Lie Lie dolphinheart


Jesus is Jehovah:


Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.





The Jehovah verses are referring to Jehovah
and
the Jesus verses are referring to Jesus.

But there are deceivers and antichrists that will twist it all around.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

deceiving antichrist jw would say: a god, an angel, has come into the World,
a god, an angel, is the saviour of the World.

Christians know it's God that saved us.

3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Notice verse 4, the Father is "our Saviour"
and in verse 6, Jesus Christ is "our Saviour"

Jesus is Jehovah, our Saviour.

goodnews201668:
Its clear you are just a kid.

Lie Lie gooknews

Now come on, stop your crying and put your dummy back in

goodnews201668:
This baby please stop quoting me.

Jozzy4:


for by him ..... that statement reveal he is NOT THE SOURCE but medium through which all things are created . only the source reserves the title of a CREATOR . Again JESUS IS NEVER CALLED CREATOR , HE himself acknowledge the FATHER AS CREATOR ( MATT 19:4-6)

Okay, so there are 2 Gods, one is Jehovah and one is Jesus by your description. God is the creator and Jesus is the master maker. Is God alone is supreme and Almighty, why create EVERYTHING through Jesus - why bring in Jesus in the first place?

Why does JW worship two Gods then?

Just a few things Jesus said to the pharisees, and it applies to their descendants, the pharisee false jw hypocrites of today,
read these verses and see just how true it is:

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Christians know it's God that saved us, not "a god" or "an angel", but God:

3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Notice verse 4, Father God is "our Saviour"
and in verse 6, Jesus Christ is "our Saviour".

Jesus is Jehovah, our Saviour.

Jozzy4:


False Teacher , Go And study personification in the scriptures , is " it " used for a person ?

You are wrong yet again false jw, here is a couple of imaginery examples to show you that the pronoun "it" can be used for many things, including animals and persons, even for Father God:

Bill said about Jims pet Tiger: "it" eats a lot
however the Tiger is not a thing an it, but an animal.

When Jesus was Baptized the voice of Father God was heard from Heaven, saying: "this is my beloved Son"
Thomas said to Jesus: "Jesus, is that your Father? to which Jesus replied: yes "it" is.
However the Father God is not a "it", a thing, but a person, in fact the person of God.

Lie Lie jozzy

Jozzy4:



Only a deceiver will say the Word ( Jesus christ ) is Gods spirit. False teacher

Lie Lie jozzy

The following two verses are talking of the Word - Jesus Christ,
and job shows that the Word - Jesus Christ is "the Spirit of God":

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

The Word - Jesus Christ made job:

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was mad

It's amazing how antichrist jozzy is wrong absolutely every time,
well not really amazing, having the wrong spirit as he does.

Jesus is the Truth

satan is the father of lies

johnw74:


false jw cannot help but lie again and again.

Truly I did respond to false jw's post,
you may not have liked my response , but that's your problem isn't it, and it is there isn't it,
Lie Lie dolphinheart

I posted the scriptures, and of course they are perfectly true,
but false jw responded to the scriptures I posted, twisting and denying the plain meaning of them.

Lie Lie dolphinheart


Jesus is Jehovah:


Jehovah
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


....


Jehovah
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


....


Jehovah
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 God is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty God as false jw say.


....


Jehovah
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


....



Jehovah
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.


....


Jehovah
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


....


Jehovah
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.





The Jehovah verses are referring to Jehovah
and
the Jesus verses are referring to Jesus.

But there are deceivers and antichrists that will twist it all around.

2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

deceiving antichrist jw would say: a god, an angel, has come into the World,
a god, an angel, is the saviour of the World.

Christians know it's God that saved us.

3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Notice verse 4, the Father is "our Saviour"
and in verse 6, Jesus Christ is "our Saviour"

Jesus is Jehovah, our Saviour.

EVERY CAN SEE ONE MORE TIME, HE COULD NOT POST HIS RESPONSE TO MY EXPLANATION OF THOSE SCRIPTURES.

you could not show your response, but you want to talk about if I liked it or not! imagine

HE IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE ISSUES AGAIN, WHEN THEY ARE EXPOSED , THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

brocab:
It doesn't matter how many times we have explained to you the word-you will always find away to argue the point-which gives us knowledge you haven't the slightest idea which bible you should be reading-I believe you should stick with the bible you know best, the KJV, and not your own bible "which of course the NWT confuses you.

who be "we", you that could not quote and explain certain scriptures, now want to determine the translation one will use, I've quoted from the kjv to you, you could not reply.

Everything sounds dripple to you-only because you are swapping from one bible to another, trying to prove your senseless point.

see excuse, so that's why you too decided to dribble yourself by saying we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

The bible was written simple, you don't need rocket science to know the scriptures, a Child at the age of 12 years can read and understand the word of God, we just need the Spirit of God to guild us. This is why we Christians read the bible as it sounds-because we search the scriptures and find the answers from God Himself.

you need the spirit of God to guide us to do what? pls always complete your statements.

But you in the other hand dolphinheart 'you are relying on your own understanding to find any answers, you not having the Spirit of God to guild you-shows the spirit in you is dead.
Did you not know the word is a living word, and the word has been given to us Christians, who had decided to believe in Christ and become born again Christians-as the word had told us to do.
Dolphinheart the word is alive, like He was from the beginning in each of us, like the Father lived in Jesus and Jesus lived in the Father, His word lives on.
You in the other hand-are trying to work your way up without faith to be with Jehovah, you yourself don't recognise the Spirit of God, only because you have refused to believe God's Spirit lived in Jesus. Nor do you believe Jesus and God are one the same.

nice one, only that I've seen such tactics used before, ego rountrippling, making claims that cannot be investigated, making accusations that cannot be verified so that you can sound important and spirit filled.

Every Christian knows nothing is done without the Spirit of God. Jesus didn't work alone-He needed the Father, just as the Father needed Him, we need Him both-to work though us, with us, and work around us. Without the Spirit of God you are dead.

him both?, because saying it correctly will expose you, you have decided to falsify English!
well the scriptures has separated "them", not him, and says we gain evaluating life by knowing them , not him.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,(1st person) the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.(2nd person)
Joh 17:4I have glorified you on the earth,(2nd person glorifying 1st person) having finished the work you have given me to do.(2nd person does the work of first person )

I've told you before brocab, nowadays, the only way you can alter what the scripture says is to claim the holy spirit helped you to do so, cus you know you can easily lie that you have the holy spirit. but do you know how I can decipher if you are telling the truth or not, it is done through questions, examinING the scriptures and checkING the persons character and behavior. you have failed in all this three .
1. For months now, you have made statements, but once a question is asked about those statements, you falter and try to change the topic, or you refuse to respond .
2. For months now, you have been asked to quote and explain certain scriptures, but you refuse to cus they will render your beliefs as false.
3. as for your character, you have tried to defame others, saying things about them that you can't prove. you have lied deliberately and acted shifty when it comes to issues under discussion, you try to raise yourself above others, claiming to have things that they don't have, thinking such statements will mean you are saying the truth.

{Matthew 8:22} Jesus told them follow Me, and let the dead bury the dead
Why Is this so hard for you to understand Christ lives in each of us, He had told His disciples He will send them another helper the Holy Spirit-who you yourself have denied He is a person and this person is part of the Godhead, these 3 are 1.

you are a very funny guy, Ive shown you how your for fathers added words into the scriptures to support their trinity, it has been proven to you that those words where not in the scriptures initially, evedence has been shown to you on how the addition took place. But when I Did so, all you could do was change the topic, cuso you could not refute the fact.

Jesus lived in His Father and the Father lived in Him, we can do nothing without having to Lord living in us, In the name of Jesus-is the name above every other name 'either in the heavens, on Earth, and under the earth.[/qoute]
big question for you brocab, and I know you will not answer, who gave Jesus that name, did Jesus give himself that name ?

[quote]Every knee shall bow down to Jesus, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Jesus is Jehovah God who's coming in the clouds that every eye will see-Who is who was, and who is coming.

this is a perfect example of cut and paste with addition of some fasle words in the middle,
if you are confident that my accusations above is false, pls quote the scriptures where you got those statements from, everyone will see that you deliberately omitted some points in those verses which would have rendered your statements false.

The Holy Spirit is used back then as He is used today, without the Holy Spirit-we can't do nothing without Him the Son nor the Father. Is it really impossible for you to realise, Jesus said go out unto all the world baptising them, in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. No organisation or no Church building is mentioned. Why because the Church is the body, and the body is Christ.

brocab, do you go about babtizing people?
how do you go about baptising people?
what is the name of the holy spirit?
pls note he will not answer these questions !

{Matthew 23:13} "But who unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go in yourselves, nor will you allow those who want to enter in.
Listening to you dolphinheart really makes a difference on peoples lives, you won't go into heaven nor will you allow anyone else to go in.

that thought, only exist in your mind.

Don't you realise the truth about Christ is travelling at a faster rate across the nations, the word of God is spreading faster then you think dolphinheart, and their is nothing you can do to stop it.

yep, in many lands, the good news is being preached everyday, in homes and on the streets.

What? Is this true You don't understand about the Pagan Sunday? Most Churches carry on the pagan practices.
Forget your comeback-Check out this video's below it may help you understand the importance, we all need to know about Paganism.

if you can't in your own words tell about pagan Sunday, then you should not have mentioned it.
I asked you if god set a day for us to worship !

And your Church as well as every other Church are practising Pagan religion.
History about the Pagan Isis goddess-and later it was Constantine-who brought the Pagan worship into the Roman Catholic Churches-and since then under Rome the Roman Catholic's had never Changed their Sun worship from Sun-day. God said you shalt not worship any other God, and Him only you shall serve.
Pagans believe in "Queen Isis, and the Catholic's believe in Mary-but the Sabbath is the last day of the week-when God finished His work.
Have you ever seen inside the Vatican, their are pictures and statues of Suns everywhere-look On the clothing the Popes and the priest wear-it has the Sun pictured on their backs.
It is really interesting, to watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xta31joiIhU

guy, in what way does this affect me that try to worship god everyday, do I look like a catholIc to you. simple questions asked, you are saying something else!

note: for the 4th time running, you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

Baby slander!

johnw74:

Lie Lie gooknews
Now come on, stop your crying and put your dummy back in

dolphinheart:


]thank you, but since it's you that is saluting, you can also do the clapping.


you can say wateva you want, I've noticed you act this way when you cannot refute the explanation given, you either ignore it or try to yab your way out. I'll just repeat the truth you can't dispute :

which garbage are you repeating, let's see

the verse said " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth".
The first part of the sentence is tied to the second part , so we can say god created the [/b]heaven and the earth in the beginning.

you need help o . Beginning is not a verb @ bold the verb created there tells you the type of action that happened, that's the word that tells you the heavens and the earth were created. I in what way are they tied Mr man? If you think the heavens and the earth were created together you have a serious comprehension problem. The word "and" used to connect heaven and earth shows you it's one person that created the two.
I have noticed the way you use small letter g for God. Dolphinsheart you are the bad person here

again, derogatory speech is what you employ when you find an issue or question impossible to deny or handle. EVERYONE CAN NOW SEE YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION , AS EXPECTED , YOU COULD NOT ANSWER!
[b]" with this, it means the heavens and earth had a beginning,no be so?( pls note if he will respond to this statement that " the heavens and earth had a beginning"

the word created as used in gensis tells us the heavens and the earth has beginning this same word was absent in John 1:1 there is no manipulation their.
Do these two statement mean the same thing on Thursday Mercedes 209 was made
I saw Mercedes 209 on Thursday

Why are they different, can you spot out the difference?

Now compare,

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God..
Note that beginning means a period when only God exists and it was never used in respect to creation

everyone knows the heaven and earth had a beginning , but agreeing to such will make your logic about beginning look false!.



did I say "beginning means created" ? no! , so who is now high!, resorting to character defamation when you have been found wrong will not help you,
this is what I said :
" note again that in the instance that something had a beginning ,it also means that thing was created!"

good you know

if you had answered the preceeding sentence or you had left the questions and this sentence above together, you would have understood better. now is my statement wrong?, is it not a fact that if something has a beginning then it is created? you could see that fact in the statement, but since it will affect your beliefs, you decided to twist what I said and accuse me on what I did not say.
solite3 beginning does not mean created, but anything that has a beginning is created , no be so ?(PLS NOTE HE WILL NOT RESPOND TO THIS )

1.) One can see how very cunning you are, look at the bolded above, you want to defend your lie by using only heavens, cus if you had used heaven and earth as used in genesis 1:1, you would have been found wanting!

you think I will go beyond the bible? No unlike you I make sure everything I believe in is in line with the bible and the spirit of God, that's why you cannot find me wanting. Dolphinsheart I am from above.

2. )now let me bust your bubble a little bit about the record you tried to set straight.
you mentioned luke 2: 13, but you refused to quote it, we all know why.
luke 2:13 from different translations
New International Version
Suddenly a great company of the [b]heavenly host [/b]appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,
New Living Translation
Suddenly, the angel was joined by a vast [b]host of others--the armies of heaven--praising God and saying,
English Standard Version
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying,
King James Bible
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host [/b]praising God, and saying,
International Standard Version
Suddenly, a multitude of the [b]Heavenly Army appeared with the angel, praising God by saying,
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Suddenly, a large army of angels appeared with the angel. They were praising God by saying,[/b][

solite3, did any of those translations use "host of heaven", no! non used it, you can argue all you want, but the plain fact is that NON USED " HOST OF HEAVEN".
[s]Solite3, you had to use another lie to surport a first lie. [/s]

@ bold dolphinsheart what are these. Whether you call it host of heaven, heavenly hosts, heavenly armies they all mean the same thing. Did you go to school

]3.)you quoted gen 2: 1.: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. The word "them" their is referring to what? The host of the heavens and earth, not the heavens alone!

4. now let me tell you about the host of heaven using the scriptures.

jer 8:2
New International Version
They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
King James Bible
[b]And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven,[/u] whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.

solite3 ,did you see host of heaven in the kjv here? Yes it's there!
what did the KJV refer to as the host of heaven? THE SUN AND THE MOON AND ALL THE STARS OF THE HEAVENS!
I know you wunt answer this question, but I will ask anyway, pls tell, are the sun and the moon the isrealites worshipped the angels?

Let's dig deeper.

jer 19:13 King James Bible
And the houses of Jerusalem, and the houses of the kings of Judah, shall be defiled as the place of Tophet, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.

King James Bible
2 cor 33:3 For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them

King James Version
De 4:19And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
HOPE ALL CAN SEE THE HYPOCRISY OF SOLITE3, HE WAS QUICK TO POINT TO THE VERSE THAT HE THINkS SUPPORT HIS VIEWS , BUT HE COULD NOT POINT TO VERSES WHERE THE KJV SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED "HOST OF HEAVEN ".
WE SHALL SEE IF HE WILL QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURES ABOVE!

I av answered you

]5.) now let us go back to the initial lie, that God created the heavens and earth before the angels.
I said it's a lie and that the angels where created before God created the heavens and the earth.
here is my proof :
Job 38:4Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you think you understand.
Job 38:5Who set its measurements, in case you know, Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
Job 38:6Into what were its pedestals sunk, Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:7When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?

[/quote]where does it say angels were created before heavens

unless you want to tell me that the sons of God are not angels, pls believe it when I tell you that the angels where in existence before God created the heavens and earth.
(note: the word morning stars, do you know where jesus called himself such?)

but the bible says those who overcomes will also be given the name morning star does that mean they will become angels.


we can look at it from two angles.

A. If the father and jesus , who are spirits existed before the creation of the heaven and earth, the angels, who are also spirits could exist before the creation of heaven and earth.

B . The heavens that the mentioned in gen 1: 1 is not the heavens where God resides , where the angels too reside.


your claims have been examined and proved to be false, therefore we can say "in the beginning" of gen 1:1 will therefore be reffering to the beginning of the creation of heaven and earth, not the begginING of the creation of God, or are you saying the heavens and earth has no beginning?


well , one must always lie to support a lie!, look at what you said below:
" the bible never uses that word again in respect to creation"

I responded to you saying :
"you say the bible never used that word(which I believe you mean " beginning" again in respect to creation, pls read rev , 3:14, matt 19:4 and 2 pet 3:4.".
solite3 , is genesis the bible!
apart from the issue of creation, the Hebrew word translated to " in the beginning" is used in other places apart from genesis!


"in the beginning is used in connection to wateva it comes before sir.
"In the begining" in gen 1:1 let's us know the heavens and earth had a beginning
"In the beginning" in Jer 26: 1, let us know that the reign of jehoiaKim had a beginning, likewise, jer 27:1
" in the beginning" in jer 49:34 , let's us know that the reign of zedekia had a beginning
" in the beginning" in John 1: 1, let's us know that the word had a beginning!



now let's use source to replace beginning in John 1:1, "in the source was the word". does that make sense, can you see your folly? alternate source for beginning in all other occurrences in the scriptures and see how large your folly is.



why? , did the king James version translate it wrongly?



beginning:
1. The act of doing that which begins anything; commencement of an action, state, or space of time; entrance into being or upon a course; the first act, effort, or state of a succession of acts or states.
2. That which is begun; a rudiment or element.
3. That which begins or originates something; the first cause; origin; source.
4 . The initial portion of some extended thing.

of all the explanations given there , you decided to choose only one, and when we applied it to the sentence in John 1:1, it did not make sense!

be- gin- ning
an act or circumstance of entering upon an action or state:
the point of time or space at which anything begins :
www.dictionary.com/browse/beginning

:the point or time at which something begins
:a starting point
:the first part of something
beginnings : an early stage or period .
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beginning


the first part of something or the start of something
the origin of something, or the place, time, or way in which something started
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/beginning

[/quote] you bring up so many issues at the same time. I cannot respond like thatThe words hosts of heaven, heavenly company, heavenly army, heavenly host all mean the same.
In gen 1:1A closer look you will see that there was an order, heaven represents both heaven where angels live and the heavens where the heavenly objects are.
Why not " in the beginning God created the earth and heavens?
The bible does not give us details of how God created the heavens( it is not our concern)
Was the heavens referring to the sun the moon and the stars? In genesis the firmament represent the expanse where the moon the sun and the stars are and also the clouds
The firmament itself was created day2 and the sun the moon and the stars where created on the 4th day
So which heaven was created in gensis 1 mind you with all their hosts
What are the hosts of heaven?
The hosts of heaven goes beyond sun, moon and stars. God warn isreal not to worship them and they did dey 4:19, PS 106:36, 2 kings 17:16 Amos 5:26

Hosts of heaven that they serve were actually demons Deu32:16&17, I corith 10:20

Angels are also called the host of heaven luke2:13-14
Did God created these host before or after heaven? Nehemiah 9:6King James Version (KJV)

6 Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. Note the order heaven first before its hosts and earth first before its hosts. So angels never existed before heaven

I shows you that jesus was created!


[quote] [quote]good , firstborn of all creation them means the most exalted among all of creation.

your own mouth has said it.

no, but someone has said jesus is the father, do you know who said so? I bet you know, but you can't fit mention!


nop, read prov 8: 22-31. also the firstborn must be the first to be born of whichever category he is in.
firstborn of a goat, must be the first of the goats offprings,
firstborn of man must be the first of the man's offspring's
firstborn of all creation must be the first created.

you can apply this same logic of mine to the statement, "jesus has same nature as god" , it means jesus is a god? The only begotten God like some manuscripts say![

you agreed that first born of all creation means the most exalted how do you now arrive at the first to be created. Following your logic since the bible says david is God's first born king it means david is the first king.so do you now believe Jesus is God. Your are actually closer but you are confused because of other verses insinuating Jesus must be a man also. Hmm. Jesus has same nature with the true God Also makes Jesus the true God following your logic

hope your statement is in agreement to the question I stated after quoting that scripture to you

totally

"[b] Ro 8:28 We know that God makes all his works cooperate together for the good of those who love God, those who are the ones called according to his purpose;
Ro 8:29because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordainedto be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
can you see the difference between God that the apostle mentioned and Jesus? iF you cannot see it add this verse to it so it becomes clearer.

I saw it

jesus is high priest to who? god!
let's just say you did not see the underlined , that's why you could not the question, so I decided to show you again:

Jesus is an high priest meaning Jesus cannot be an angel"[

b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
1s Jesus the same person with the one he is sitting at the right hand of?( I know you will not answer this question )

of cos God the father

you are quick to leave the question I asked you so that you can answer the question I did not ask you, new tactics discovered.

oga I don't leave your question except it doesn't make sense, of which sometimes I try to answer inspire of

by your own words you are calling jesus a liar! For jesus said this :

as how

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]b]Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”[/b]
you are saying jesus did not make gods name know while he lied that he had made it known.

you where afraid to quote and explain these verse, expecially the underlined
[b]Joh 17:6“I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word.
solite3, if you are a truth full person, pls explain the verse above!

you could also not respond to this :
did it say god exalted himself,? no!
did it say Jesus exalted himself ? no !
Did that verse imply that that the one who was exalted is same as one doing the exalting? no!
therefore , "God ", reffered to In those verses is not Jesus.!

[b]Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.
Ac 2:32, 33 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses
.33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

show where that is written , don't just mention it, quote it.

you show me where Jesus mention Jehovah outside quoting the scriptures, you cannot form doctrines from assumptions

haha, so jesus called Jehovah father right! see ya hypocrisy, and I've been telling you that Jehovah is the father of jesus for ages , u just confirmed that I'm right !

yes not Jehovah

so because you feel jesus did not mention Jehovah, which is false anyway, the kjv now has a right to replace gods name in places which god himself has inspired that his name should be written, which the writers had painstakingly recorded.
you are a bad person solite3, for this what God wanted with his name :

it is you calling Jesus Christ and his father a liar that is evil
[

b]1Ki 8:60so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Jehovah is the true God. There is no other!

Eze 36:23‘I will certainly sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which you profaned among them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

Eze 39:7I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.’[/b]
you and your for fathers have been trying desperately to erase Jehovah's name, erase who Jehovah is so it can conform to your pagan originated doctrines, but in the long run, I it will not work!
jesus came to declare that name, but you lie that jesus did not declare it .[

you mean your demonic masonic teaching from your father the liar, false witness you are
[e]And you agreed that son of goat must itself be a goat
Jesus son of the true God must himself be true God[/] yes son of the true God must be true God following your logic. Shallum

alexis:


Okay, so there are 2 Gods, one is Jehovah and one is Jesus by your description. God is the creator and Jesus is the master maker. Is God alone is supreme and Almighty, why create EVERYTHING through Jesus - why bring in Jesus in the first place?

the scriptural point is clear, Jesus is not called the creator. now, you switch to excuses


if God alone is Supreme and Almighty, why send moses as a God to pharaoh, why not go himself ?

you are asking a baseless, sentimental , irrational question. Hebrews 1:2 says God made the universe through his son . stick with that !

Why does JW worship two Gods then?

Jehovah's Witnesses worship only the person Jesus worships , do u know him ?

CANTICLES:

the scriptural point is clear, Jesus is not called the creator. now, you switch to excuses


if God alone is Supreme and Almighty, why send moses as a God to pharaoh, why not go himself ?

you are asking a baseless, sentimental , irrational question. Hebrews 1:2 says God made the universe through his son . stick with that !



Jehovah's Witnesses worship only the person Jesus worships , do u know him ?

col 1:16 all things were created through him.
What does that make him?

DOLPHINHEART QUOTE-PLS TELL WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKES OF THE DIVINE NATURE?
FIRSTLY I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN BEFORE HE/SHE PARTAKES IN THE DIVINE NATURE.
WHICH LEAVES YOU OUT DOLPHINHEART YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE IN CHRIST WELL ENOUGH TO ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR LORD AND SAVOUR.
Answer-{2 Peter 1:3-4} Say's His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own Glory and excellence, by which He had granted to us His precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakes of the divine nature. Having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire, {ESV Bible} The verse plainly say's that believers are made partakers of the divine nature" through God's promise, but what does this mean? To what extent can we be part of God's nature.
The key to understand this concept is to recognise what the bible means when it refers to our "Nature".
Every human is born with a sin nature, a natural bent towards pleasing self"{Romans 5:12, 7:14}
Our natural selves can not please God {Romans 8:8}
No matter how hard we try to do good, our motivations are underlying desires, are please and promote ourselves. That sin nature keeps us from fellowship with God, keeps us in bondage to sin, and leads eventually to spiritual death {Romans 5:16, 23, 7:14. 2 Peter 2:19}
We cannot free ourselves from sin, because we cannot change our own natures, Just as a tiger cannot change it's own stripes.
That's why we need a savour, Jesus said there is only one way we can get a new, divine nature. He said you must be born again {John 3:3}
Only a complete new birth can bring about the radical change of nature required to fellowship with the Holy God.
Mental agreement with God's Word is not enough to change our sin nature.
"WE MUST BE SAVED" from the natural {Ephesians 2:8-9. Titus 3:5}
Salvation implies that we were helpless, and we have been rescued from the evil bent from our human nature.
When we come to Christ in faith, accepting His death and resurrection as our substitute, we declare Him to be our lord in our lives {Romans 10:8-9} At that moment the Holy Spirit "BIRTHS" us into the family of God. Our old nature is defeated, and we receive a NEW DIVINE NATURE that desires the things of God {2 Corinthians 5:17}
When Christ died for us, He became our sin, so that when we come to Him in faith, we gain His righteousness {2 Corinthians 5:21} It is a divine exchange: our sin for His perfection. TO BE BORN AGAIN MEANS WE ARE RECREATED AS NEW PEOPLE WITH A NEW NATURE.
Believers have a divine nature, and no-longer have to be enslaved to the passions of sin to the flesh {Romans 6:6,14} {1 John 3:9} Say's No one who is born of God will continual to sin, Because GOD'S SEED REMAINS IN THEM. they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
When we share in His divine nature" we begin to desire the things God desires. We love what He loves, and we hate what He hates.{Galatians 5:22. 1 John 4:4} We have the power to conquer every temptation that comes against us {1 Corinthians 10:13} God declares that we are "more than conqueror's" because of the power of the Holy Spirit who dwells within our hearts {Romans 8:37} Sin no-longer controls the one who has become a partaker of the divine nature. By given us His nature, GOD MAKES US HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND CONFORMS US TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON {Romans 8:29. 2 Corinthians 6:18}...................
WHAT WILL BE THE FALSE ALLEGATIONS DOLPHINHEART WILL HAVE AGAINST THE BIBLE THIS TIME?
In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine being: the Godhead is one and only deity; Jesus incarnated Godhead. Entered our world and showed us who God is, No-one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who Himself God, and is close relationship with the Father, has made Him known {John 1:18. Hebrews 1:3}

dolphinheart:

that knowledge sir, exists only in your mind, a mind trained to refuse to see , quote and explain certain scriptures.


and if I ask you to show me where I did the mocking now, you wunt be able to respond! always ready to lay false accusations but never ready to defend it!


you've asked this question before, and I've answered you.


see reasoning!


did I say I did not believe Jesus and the father are not one? no , so you just ranted for nothing. look at what I said again and let's see it you will say it's a lie

"could you explain those scriptures? no , I've quoted them and explained them to you before.
The underlined parts of John 17 helps explain what Jesus meant by " I and the Father are one, does it not?, does it not show you that Jesus is not saying " I and the Father are one God? . does it not show you that Jesus is talking about unity of purpose ?
I do know you will not respond!

{John 17:20-22} I do not pray for these alone, but also those who will believe in Me through their word, that they maybe one, as you, Father, one in Me, and I in You; that they also maybe One in Us, that the world may believe that you sent Me. And the glory which you gave Me, I have given them, that they are one just as we are One.[/b]



yes trinity is not written in the scriptures, it had to be fomulated by men , using words and statements they had illegally added into the scriptures!
its sad to hear you say trinity is another word for godhead, why do you use trinity (man made word) instead of godhead( the one you claim is in the bible), why does the kjv not translate the three different words in the Hebrew texts to be trinity instead of Godhead.


yes, because Jesus did not say " he is one God". do not add to what the scriptures say.


well , I've been quoting and explaining the scriptures on these thread, why would I not read them before explaining.
pagan Sunday?, I don't understand what you mean by pagan Sunday, what is pagan Sunday?
instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?, cus me I try to worship god everyday o!


wait! I've I ever said anything different about that verse?, you just brought a verse up, and lay false accusations. who does that!



can you see how you dribble yourself , we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!

well verse 4 clears it for you brocab, you are not yet part of the divine nature , and no matter the number of "I am this , I am that " you say, this truth will remain standing.

For a third time running , you failed to answer this question :
PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
note: some translations use "share", "sharers" , "participate".

dolphinheart:


EVERY CAN SEE ONE MORE TIME, HE COULD NOT POST HIS RESPONSE TO MY EXPLANATION OF THOSE SCRIPTURES.

you could not show your response, but you want to talk about if I liked it or not! imagine

Lie Lie dolphinheart

Such an habitual liar, false jw's lies never end,
do your own searching lazy antichrist.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

goodnews 201668:

goodnews201668:
;DConfused baby,

goodnews201668:


a baby like you

goodnews201668:
You are just a baby like i said.

;DYou are just a baby like i said.

goodnews201668:
This baby please stop quoting me.

goodnews201668:
Its clear you are just a kid.

goodnews201668:
Baby slander!

anyone home upstairs missy?

Firstly-I have already written about the divine nature and what the bible say's who retrieves such nature.
Sorry the JW's don't get a mention, unless one is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God..

Secondly-Even a Child knows the scriptures? What day is the Sabbath day of the week.
Dolphinheart don't know.Your refusal to choose to stay in darkness, will blind you even more away from the truth. Not knowing why you practice pagan religion just shows how brain dead you sound.

On the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day, And God blessed this day and sanctified it, because he rested from all His work {Genesis 2:2-3} Because God rested on the seventh day.
He designated a Holy day to be remembered for all time.
"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy," He says in the fourth commandment "Six days you shall labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God {Exodus 28:7-10}
{Exodus 20:11. Ezekiel 20:12} The Lord blessed the seventh day and Hallowed it. More over I will give them my Sabbath to be a sign between them and Me. It was a custom for the Jews to meet on the Sabbath Saturday, Jesus preached on the Sabbath, {Acts 17:2. 18:4} Paul's custom were to teach on the Holy Sabbath day of the week.
But the fact is, it was the Roman Catholic Church who had changed the Sabbath into the Sunday worship-because it reflects to there Sun worship of Pagan religion.
The Catholic's and dolphinheart had once again been exposed they both worship against the Christ-only to worship after other god's' god's that reflect back to their Sun.

dolphinheart:

HE IS TRYING TO CHANGE THE ISSUES AGAIN, WHEN THEY ARE EXPOSED , THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

who be "we", you that could not quote and explain certain scriptures, now want to determine the translation one will use, I've quoted from the kjv to you, you could not reply.


see excuse, so that's why you too decided to dribble yourself by saying we are part of divine nature cus we are made in God's image, then you contradict yourself with" by the promise, we MAY BECOME SHARERS in divine nature! . wish one should we believe, are we part/participants/ sharers of divine nature which you ascribed to the godhead or are we to become part of it at a later date!


you need the spirit of God to guide us to do what? pls always complete your statements.


nice one, only that I've seen such tactics used before, ego rountrippling, making claims that cannot be investigated, making accusations that cannot be verified so that you can sound important and spirit filled.


him both?, because saying it correctly will expose you, you have decided to falsify English!
well the scriptures has separated "them", not him, and says we gain evaluating life by knowing them , not him.

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,(1st person) the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.(2nd person)
Joh 17:4I have glorified you on the earth,(2nd person glorifying 1st person) having finished the work you have given me to do.(2nd person does the work of first person )

I've told you before brocab, nowadays, the only way you can alter what the scripture says is to claim the holy spirit helped you to do so, cus you know you can easily lie that you have the holy spirit. but do you know how I can decipher if you are telling the truth or not, it is done through questions, examinING the scriptures and checkING the persons character and behavior. you have failed in all this three .
1. For months now, you have made statements, but once a question is asked about those statements, you falter and try to change the topic, or you refuse to respond .
2. For months now, you have been asked to quote and explain certain scriptures, but you refuse to cus they will render your beliefs as false.
3. as for your character, you have tried to defame others, saying things about them that you can't prove. you have lied deliberately and acted shifty when it comes to issues under discussion, you try to raise yourself above others, claiming to have things that they don't have, thinking such statements will mean you are saying the truth.


you are a very funny guy, Ive shown you how your for fathers added words into the scriptures to support their trinity, it has been proven to you that those words where not in the scriptures initially, evedence has been shown to you on how the addition took place. But when I Did so, all you could do was change the topic, cuso you could not refute the fact.

Just a few of false jw gooknews double postings,
is all well there