You are so right there.

It's a sad fact of life that MOST human beings do not appreciate what they did not work for.

If these kids worked for it they will maintain it but thats for another story.

For now we can only do our little bits to make a larger impact in our beloved naija.

We will get there for sure. Maybe in the next generation or two...

babalose:
@brag3.....you got a good laugh out of me. We tend to lack maintenance culture but most of those house you are talkng about, the actual owners are either late or has become very old or due to lack of inflow. Children always tend to care less about maintaining their fathers house except there is an upcoming family event like wedding, remembrance, birthday, burial or anything that will gather people to the house and they don't want people to behold the eyesore. Many of us are guilty of that as well. How many people repainted there dad's house in the last 5 years purely out of maintainance with ulterior motive?



Babalose

lastpage:


Lastpage!

Brabus, your matter don enter prayer point!
You will keeping getting better, by fire by force! Holllyyyy-Ghoost fire! .....F-I-R-E!

Amen!!!!


From Browne Mews by NextHome | 4 x 4 Bed Terrace Duplex

gbadexy:

That's great sir. Would love to see the finished result.

The challenge is finding a contractor to do it.

loomer:


Bros leave that story, no be everyone body dey fit carry cold.

Very true.

write2obi:

Well said lastpage, this is exactly what i was trying to tell Egunmogaji in a thread he created about fraudulent builder.

There are two outstanding requests waiting for you over there.

We can wait

Off-takers Wanted!! Selling Browne Mews by NextHome.


Good opportunity to pick your finishes. Call 0700NEXTHOME or 08023429122

To view the day-to-day pics of construction of Browne Mews by NextHome, please visit https://www.nairaland.com/2745049/construction-journal-browne-mews-nexthome

[quote author=mufutau55 post=46622141][/quote]


I believe its the same sir.

brag3:
Bros, We no get cold for lagos here oo. Where the cold dey
I need a min of 3 cold showers a day here and water is already hot from the tank

The weather is never the same all year round na.

lastpage:


Let it roll Brus!

No one is perfect, the important thing is to accept your mistakes, Repent, seek forgiveness and make recompense..... all these l think he is currently doing or trying to do .

It takes a bold person to not study building in College/Uni/Poly, to start building for others!
Its a challenge and l can tell you, MISTAKES (which l agree are costly to the home owner) WILL BE MADE....LESSONS WILL BE LEARNED AND IMPROVEMENT (if you are a naturally intelligent person), ....will follow.
I insist Brabus is learning, getting better, he just needs to clam down and not be overly ambitious or trying to run, before you are perfect at walking. Step-by-step....gives long-life!

The only thing l hate most about Brabus is his need to always think "I need to defend myself,... at all times"! Too self-conscious!!
It is not always necessary. Infact, "you can disarm your worst enemy with uncommon humility".

Just accept the complain/fault...then follow it with "Oga, how can l rectify it to your satisfaction"? (It does not mean the Client will insist you foot the whole bill or even some of it, most Clients are 'super-generous' when it comes to correcting errors in their build because they want it "perfect and done now".).. and it does not mean you are stewpid!

My Dad use to use one phrase: "He STOOPED to (so that he can) CONQUER"! yes, at times, you need to "stoop", so you can conquer challenges that come your way.

My Mum also has these 'annoying' phrase she uses: E'je kape werey l'oko iyawo, kole je ka'mi!
(Let us call a madman "Happily married man", so he can let us have peace"!)

In those two phrases you will see a lot of humility, intelligence and success!

Now, as for us the "concerned parties" we are right to be miffed but we should also note that we cannot cry more than the bereaved!
If we make excessive wahala today, and then we see the Client and Brabus even come together and abuse us later (Wetin be your own or wetin concern you sef, no be my money, uhh?).... how would that feel?

Does anyone notice that @Hajj M has not gone "all out" to attack Brabus?
WHY? Or do you think he is not also annoyed? It is called maturity!
Knowing when to take a step back and let it lie.

Moreover, in life, their is something called KARMA! We will all reap whatever we sow.... except we "seek and get" the forgiveness of anyone we aggrieve.
Its a fact of nature, whether you believe it or not.

So, let us please stop making too much allusion to what happened... except where the aggrieved Client has reason to "raise-up" the issue due to new errors or non adherence to agreed templates. let us also try (l said 'try' because its not always easy ) to dessist from inflammatory language.
Infact, l have decided that l will stop responding to provocations from people on this thread (I reserve that for Politics section )
I will just ignore it and act like l never even saw it. It wont tear my cloth naah, abi?

Let Peace reign!





Lastpage!

Brabus, your matter don enter prayer point!
You will keeping getting better, by fire by force! Holllyyyy-Ghoost fire! .....F-I-R-E!

God bless you for this write-up. Brabus needs to exercise humility. He doesn't know when to shut-up or when to profusely apologize.

Let me tell you a story here. Hajj aware of this and I believe I showed what transpired to Skimanski and few others on blackberry.

Last year I gave my house roofing work to a nairalander. A quack for that matter who claimed to me he was an engineer. He gave me a quote and I paid him in full. I always pay in full upfront. He was supposed to start the work on a Monday but to my surprise he didn't start the work for more than two weeks from the day he was supposed to start. Then the next thing I saw was for the guy to start buying new clothing and displaying his pictures on nairaland. Designer shoes, shirts, trousers and watches. I said to myself wft! I called him several times and his phone was transferring me to different phone. When I eventually spoke to him, he told me he was working on a project at Ajah. I said but you were to start this work since last week.

He eventually bought wood and brought his workers to site after about two weeks. Three days into the work, he sent me a text that the house was bigger than he thought that he needed to make a new quote because they needed more materials. I said this has to be a joke. He sent a new quote and I sent him payment. Hajj was aware. Nothing I do that I don't let Hajj know in regard to my house.


Three weeks into the job, I sent my mum and brother to the site and there was rancor going on there. People who supplied things to the site coming there to curse at my site because my roofer owed them thousands of naira. He owes his carpenters money for over a week and hasn't been showing up. Carpenters were coming to the site but not working because he owed them one week pay. I didn't know that each day I call that he picked up he wasn't at the site. He always said he was eating close by or buying something in the neighborhood. After a month on the roof carcass, he called me that my cousin at the site has been tormenting him. I said how has he been tormenting you. He said the quote he gave me second time was at the insistence of my cousin. He said my cousin said I don't ask questions that I just agree with any quote people give me as long as the work is done right. I said wow. So I told the nairalander that you are a criminal. You agreed to lie to me that the quote was not good enough and I agreed to pay you extra. I said why are you telling me this now? He said the work at the site is a big problem for him that I should call my cousin to return the money he gave to my cousin so he can use the money to buy more nails and wood because materials turned out to be insufficient. At this point I was on the verge on sending him 1.8M Naira for Metcoppo Aluminum sheet quote he gave me to cover the carcass. I quickly told my brother not to transfer the money to him. I quickly called Hajj and called the nairalander quack "engineer" on three way call. To my surprise the guy was defiant on the phone. I couldn't believe it. He was talking as if he was doing me a favor to let me know what was going on at the site.

When I discovered he couldn't be trusted, I contacted Tower and First Aluminum. I woke up 6am U.S time and called those companies. They asked I send them emails. Tower and First Aluminum went to my site and met this nairalander and my cousin. To my surprise, they told those Tower guys to over quote for the roof coverings and give them their shares. The Tower guys said that's not going to happen. When Tower and First Aluminum guys got back to me, they told me the entire roof needed to be torn down because the carcass was not done right. I called the so called nairalander who claimed to be an engineer and told him what those guys had just told me. The next thing the quack engineer from nairaland did was to engage into fight and insult of the First Aluminum guys who were at the site. He told them they wanted to destroy his life. My brother and mother were present to see everything. I called the nairalander quack "engineer" to leave the site immediately. Not only did he commit fraud, he also asked me to do some things that were not needed to be done there that the whole carcass and other mistakes he made on reconstruction of my house cost me in the region of extra 480K+ because we had to tear down everything and start from scratch again. I was sending him pictures of house as the entire 579 square meter roof was torn down. As the carcass was going on, he called me gables needed to be done at the back and I told him no. My cousin called me and said gable was needed. I sent them 225K for gables and it tuned out the gable wasn't needed because the First Aluminum guys dismantled it during the tear down of roof carcass.

My point is, the nairalander accepted his was quack. He confessed to me he was only looking to feed his family. He has been a nairalnder since 2008 or so. As a matter of fact he begged me not to go public because his source of living would be dashed because it is on nairaland that he eats. In fact his wife is on nairaland too. He told me a whole bunch of things that I just pitied him and never opened a thread about him on nairaland. The guy never stopped begging me for more than two months. He kept apologizing.

Hajj is a witness. I believe I showed it to Skimanski too on BBM and segzy14 was there too. The guy never stopped texting me to apologize. He is still here on nairaland parading himself as an engineer and builder. I just shake my head when he comes on threads accusing others of incompetence.

@FastShipping

Appreciate your write-up and thanks for this.

few questions I have and please indulge me.

Do you think not exposing this quack engineer is a good or bad thing In your opinion?

If the same thing happened to someone else and kept it quiet and let you experience the same with you, how would you feel knowing this informaiton may have helped you avoid such losses?

How does keeping his identity a secert help other prospective clients?

If he was a veyr good builder that made a mistake then I can understand but you have fully agreed that he is a quack engineer and still operating on NL so how does keeping his identity a seceret help others?

Just a few questions to understand your line of thought on this.

Again, sorry for your bad experience and glad you have moved past this.

FastShipping:



God bless you for this write-up. Brabus needs to exercise humility. He doesn't know when to shut-up or when to profusely apologize.

Let me tell you a story here. Hajj aware of this and I believe I showed what transpired to Skimanski and few others on blackberry.

Last year I gave my house roofing work to a nairalander. A quack for that matter who claimed to me he was an engineer. He gave me a quote and I paid him in full. I always pay in full upfront. He was supposed to start the work on a Monday but to my surprise he didn't start the work for more than two weeks from the day he was supposed to start. Then the next thing I saw was for the guy to start buying new clothing and displaying his pictures on nairaland. Designer shoes, shirts, trousers and watches. I said to my self wft! I called him several times and his phone was transferring me to different phone. When I eventually spoke to him, he told me he was working on a project at Ajah. I said but you were to start this work since last week.

He eventually bought wood and brought his workers to site after about two weeks. Three days into the work, he sent me a text that the house was bigger than he thought that he needed to make a new quote because they needed more materials. I said this has to be a joke. He sent a new quote and I sent him payment. Hajj was aware. Nothing I do that I don't let Hajj know in regard to my house.


Three weeks into the job, I sent my mum and brother to the site and there was rancor going on there. People who supplied things to the site coming there to curse at my site because my roofer owed them thousands of naira. He owes his carpenters money for over a week and hasn't been showing up. Carpenters were coming to the site but not working because he owed them one week pay. I didn't know that each day I call that he picked up he wasn't at the site. He always said he was eating close by or buying something in the neighborhood. After a month on the roof carcass, he called me that my cousin at the site has been tormenting him. I said how has he been tormenting you. He said the quote he gave me second time was at the insistence of my cousin. He said my cousin said I don't ask questions that I just agree with any quote people give me as long as the work is done right. I said wow. So I told the nairalander that you are a criminal. You agreed to lied to me that the quote was not good enough and I agreed to pay you extra. I said why are you telling me this now? He said the work at the site is a big problem for him that I should call my cousin to return the money he gave to my cousin so he can use the money to buy more nails and wood because materials turned out to be insufficient. At this point I was on the verge on sending him 1.8M Naira for Metcoppo Aluminum sheet quote he gave me to cover the carcass. I quickly told my brother not to transfer the money to him. I quickly called Hajj and called the nairalander quack "engineer on three way call. To my surprise the guy was defiant on the phone. I couldn't believe it. He was talking as if he was doing me a favor to let me know what was going on at the site.

When I discovered he couldn't be trusted, I contacted Tower and First Aluminum. I woke up 6am U.S time and called those companies. They asked I send them emails. Tower and First Aluminum went to my site and met this nairalander and my cousin. To my surprise, they told those Tower guys to over quote for the roof coverings and give them their shares. The Tower guys said that's not going to happen. When Tower and First Aluminum guys got back to me, they told me the entire roof needed to be torn down because the carcass was not done right. I called the so called nairalander who claimed to be an engineer and told him what those guys had just told me. The next thing the quack engineer from nairaland did was to engage into fight and insult of the First Aluminum guys who were at the site. He told them they wanted to destroy his life. My brother and mother were present to see everything. I called the nairalander quack "engineer" to leave the site immediately. Not only did he commit fraud, he also asked me to do some things that were not needed to be done there that the whole carcass and other mistakes he made on reconstruction of my house cost me in the region of extra 480K+ because we had to tear down everything and start from scratch again. I was sending him pictures of house as the entire 579 square meter roof was torn down. As the carcass was going on, he called me gables needed to be done at the back and I told him no. My cousin called me and said gable was needed. I sent them 225K for gables and it tuned out the gable wasn't needed because the First Aluminum guys dismantled it during the tear down of roof carcass.

My point is, the nairalander accepted his was quack. He confessed to me he was only looking to feed his family. He has been a nairalnder since 2008 or so. As a matter of fact he begged me not to go public because his source of living would be dashed because it is on nairaland that he eats. In fact his wife is on nairaland too. He told me a whole bunch of things that I just pitied him and never opened a thread about him on nairaland. The guy never stopped begging me for more than two months. He kept apologizing.

Hajj is a witness. I believe I showed it to Skimanski too on BBM and segzy14 was there too. The guy never stopped texting me to apologize. He is still here on nairaland parading himself as an engineer and builder. I just shake my head when he come on thread accusing others of incompetence.

If there's a God, my inbox will receive an alert on who it is

I swear to secrecy

brag3:
@FastShipping

Appreciate your write-up and thanks for this.

One question I have and please indulge me.

Do you think not exposing this quack engineer is a good or bad thing In your opinion?

If the same thing happened to someone else and kept it quiet and let you experience the same with you, how would you feel knowing this informaiton may have helped you avoid such losses?

How does keeping his identity a secert help other prospective clients?

If he was a veyr good builder that made a mistake then I can understand but you have fully agreed that he is a quack engineer and still operating on NL so how does keeping his identity a seceret help others?

Just a few questions to understand your line of thought on this.

Again, sorry for your bad experience and glad you have moved past this.

Each time someone contacted him so far for work, I have made contact with the person to share what I went through with the quack. I don't believe in character assassination that has become rampant here.

Thank you.

I think you may be confusing feedback with character assination which sometimes happens here but it's your choice but I will say that I don't think this approach helps.

Feedback should always be given (even if it has to be bad ones at times). We should be our brother's keepers and not hide such info.

Just me opinion.

Let me say something too.

A few months ago there was a thread (I think it was dominion's thread) about his experience in the East.

When this thread was opened alot of people came out of the woodwork to claim they had had similar experience about 6 months ago. Some even a year ago and yet no one came on to inform others. They all did it your way and kept it quiet (or maybe told a few) and let the others experience themselves.
This IMO is not the right approach.

Feedback has two advantages. It gives the potential clients/people to avoid such situations and it also gives the Engineer or supplier the motivation to change their practices. This feedback can be what the Engineer needs to improve their approach.

Now I am not in support Character Assination but lets call a spade a spade.

I was a victim of brabus. I don't hold any grudges against him anymore. Infact I always hope he does well but look at this.
5 or 6 unsatisfied clients and we still keep quiet?? he has not accepted most of these faults and yet people say it should be kept quiet?

I think a good job should always get a positive feedback as well as some kind of Bonus and likewise things that are not done properly should be rightly exposed.

Are you saying you know everyone that contacts this quack engineer that did a bad job for you?

I think you are a much better man than anyone else on NL.

FastShipping:


Each time someone contacted him so far for work, I have made contact with the person to share what I went through with the quack. I don't believe in character assassination that that become rampant here.

babalose:
@Fastshipping....what if someone you don't know contacts him. I believe in calling a spade a spade. We can only help others not to be a victim by speaking out. Some of us have gotten out fingers burnt because someone refused to speak out. We can't continue to keep quiet while new people get burnt. A time will come if no one speak out that the whole forum will be labeled as place to solicit vulnerable clients(mugus)

The bolded is exactly my point

babalose:
@Fastshipping....what if someone you don't know contacts him. I believe in calling a spade a spade. We can only help others not to be a victim by speaking out. Some of us have gotten out fingers burnt because someone refused to speak out. We can't continue to keep quiet while new people get burnt. A time will come if no one speak out that the whole forum will be labeled as place to solicit vulnerable clients(mugus)

Very true.

I made my opinions known to Fast Shipping on this previously but it's his choice.

I'm certain he wasn't the first person that was scammed by the Engineer, maybe someone else kept quiet and Fast Shipping then got ripped off too.

The vicious cycle continues.

Interestingly enough, every single "engineer" in this section is now a suspect, if his Wife posts on here then double whammy

Egun "Character Assassinator Extra Ordinaire" Mogaji

@ Bolded, a few months back, armed robbers were luring builders from this specific section to the east and then robbed. It happened to many builders on here and they kept quiet and never warned others. So it continued until one brave builder then spoke up and the floodgates were opened.

FastShipping:


Each time someone contacted him so far for work, I have made contact with the person to share what I went through with the quack. I don't believe in character assassination that has become rampant here.

Writing on online review or experience with a builder is not character assassination.it is user feedback that helps other people make informed decisions...saying MTN or Glo network in one area is not good is not character assassination of the company....it should help them improve...

but I agree with the new tone the thread is going....helping people learn about building and new methods ...more learning, less bashing.but feedback is important.it is just sad that the feedback is mostly negative because the builder that dominates this thread is a fraud and quack.

This is what i as tallking about.

It was Dominion's thread.

EgunMogaji:


Very true.

I made my opinions known to Fast Shipping on this previously but it's his choice.

I'm certain he wasn't the first person that was scammed by the Engineer, maybe someone else kept quiet and Fast Shipping then got ripped off too.

The vicious cycle continues.

Interestingly enough, every single "engineer" in this section is now a suspect, if his Wife posts on here then double whammy

Egun "Character Assassinator Extra Ordinaire" Mogaji

@ Bolded, a few months back, armed robbers were luring builders from this specific section to the east and then robbed. It happened to many builders on here and they kept quiet and never warned others. So it continued until one brave builder then spoke up and the floodgates were opened.

brag3:
This is what i as tallking about.

It was Dominion's thread.

Please post the link, I want to revisit that thread.

Thank you Sir.

PS: I found it.

This is a required reading for ALL on here.

https://www.nairaland.com/2477207/experience-owerri-client

We originally discussed Fast Shippings roof issue on here

https://www.nairaland.com/2486191/ikorodu-mansion-diy-report/5#36714778

Here you go

https://www.nairaland.com/2477207/experience-owerri-client

EgunMogaji:


Please post the link, I want to revisit that thread.

Thank you Sir.

PS: I found it.

This is a required reading for ALL on here.

https://www.nairaland.com/2477207/experience-owerri-client

brag3:
Thank you.

I think you may be confusing feedback with character assination which sometimes happens here but it's your choice but I will say that I don't think this approach helps.

Feedback should always be given (even if it has to be bad ones at times). We should be our brother's keepers and not hide such info.

Just me opinion.

Let me say something too.

A few months ago there was a thread (I think it was dominion's thread) about his experience in the East.

When this thread was opened alot of people came out of the woodwork to claim they had had similar experience about 6 months ago. Some even a year ago and yet no one came on to inform others. They all did it your way and kept it quiet (or maybe told a few) and let the others experience themselves.
This IMO is not the right approach.

Feedback has two advantages. It gives the potential clients/people to avoid such situations and it also gives the Engineer or supplier the motivation to change their practices. This feedback can be what the Engineer needs to improve their approach.

Now I am not in support Character Assination but lets call a spade a spade.

I was a victim of brabus. I don't hold any grudges against him anymore. Infact I always hope he does well but look at this.
5 or 6 unsatisfied clients and we still keep quiet?? he has not accepted most of these faults and yet people say it should be kept quiet?

I think a good job should always get a positive feedback as well as some kind of Bonus and likewise things that are not done properly should be rightly exposed.

Are you saying you know everyone that contacts this quack engineer that did a bad job for you?

I think you are a much better man than anyone else on NL.

I cannot believe that Fastshipping posted what he just posted on the quack engineer and refused to give the name and yet we complain everyday that the country is bad. Is fastshipping a 'winch' to know the Nairalanders that contact this guy?. I do not even buy that yarn that the quack is spinning that it is because he wants to feed his family. How was he feeding his family prior to now?. Very soon, the quack will take up building project for a Nairalander and mess it up. Imagine what we are seeing with QC1 build. Can the quack do any other job?. Fastshipping is culpable in the fraud that the guy is currently doing since he has refused to name and shame the guy.

NL1960:


I cannot believe that Fastshipping posted what he just posted on the quack engineer and refused to give the name and yet we complain everyday that the country is bad.[b] Is fastshipping a 'winch' to know the Nairalanders that contact this guy?. [/b]I do not even buy that yarn that the quack is spinning that it is because he wants to feed his family. How was he feeding his family prior to now?. Very soon, the quack will take up building project for a Nairalander and mess it up. Imagine what we are seeing with QC1 build. Can the quack do any other job?. Fastshipping is culpable in the fraud that the guy is currently doing since he has refused to name and shame the guy.

On few occasion I saw nairalanders contacted him for work and I made contacts to warn them.

NL1960:


I cannot believe that Fastshipping posted what he just posted on the quack engineer and refused to give the name and yet we complain everyday that the country is bad. Is fastshipping a 'winch' to know the Nairalanders that contact this guy?. I do not even buy that yarn that the quack is spinning that it is because he wants to feed his family. How was he feeding his family prior to now?. Very soon, the quack will take up building project for a Nairalander and mess it up. Imagine what we are seeing with QC1 build. Can the quack do any other job?. Fastshipping is culpable in the fraud that the guy is currently doing since he has refused to name and shame the guy.

It is like you are traveling down a road and you encounter armed robbers,maybe they shoot at you, but miss. But you manage to turn the car around and escape them. Won't you try and warn other travellers going down that road?

EgunMogaji:


There are two outstanding requests waiting for you over there.

We can wait

I'm not saying brabus is a saint, But you don't have to carry the matter for your head like Jerry coil , He has made mistakes and i'm sure he had learnt and is still willing to learn more from his mistakes. If you keep keep doing this, how is he going to get the chance to actually prove to all of us that he has leant from his mistakes?

Let me make my point once more, brabus made mistakes, alright, and from his actions he is obviously sorry, why can't we we all forgive and move on.

write2obi:

Let me make my point once more, brabus made mistakes, alright, and from his actions he is obviously sorry, why can't we we all forgive and move on.

We're waiting on the other thread, don't be afraid and don't let sully Hajjs thread

But surely this is not enough.

Are you honestly saying this enough to warn others? How can you possibly know everyont that contacts the quack guy?

I just hope that someone does not hold back information from you that will prevent you from losing out on your hard earned dough

FastShipping:


On few occasion I saw nairalanders contacted him for work and I made contacts to warn them.

n3xt:


Amen!!!!


From Browne Mews by NextHome | 4 x 4 Bed Terrace Duplex

Lovely flat roof, you've not answered my question about flat roofs, please do.

@Fastshipping....how does your conscience allow you to sleep at night when you can't mention the persons name? Have you ever asked yourself....maybe if someone had mentioned the name of the guy, you wont have been a victim? If you justify your silence by saying you warn people, what of those that copy his number and call him?

agarawu23:
can u pls show us pictures of a stained/polished floor?

Sorry for the late response sir. Still at work. I will search and post picture sample as soon as possible.

babalose:
@Fastshipping....how does your conscience allow you to sleep at night when you can't mention the persons name? Have you ever asked yourself....maybe if someone had mentioned the name of the guy, you wont have been a victim? If you justify your silence by saying you warn people, what of those that copy his number and call him?

Leave my conscience alone sir. I have done nothing wrong.

-