icon4ss:


Fact that he adopted a 4-4-2 formation against Tanzania in a home game and for a game that was more of preparatory game doesn't mean he typically plays 4-4-2. Siasia more often plays a lone striker in a 4-5-1 formation. All through Rio he played 4-5-1.He ususlly played 4-4-2 when we needed to win against a relatively weak opposition at home. Even d Egypt double header he played 4-5-1.

Too early to also liken him(Rohr) to Pellegrini and Someone. Team formations at national team level are typically different from club level.

BascoVanVeli:


What did Echiejile do wrong?

icon4ss:


Fact that he adopted a 4-4-2 formation against Tanzania in a home game and for a game that was more of preparatory game doesn't mean he typically plays 4-4-2. Siasia more often plays a lone striker in a 4-5-1 formation. All through Rio he played 4-5-1.He ususlly played 4-4-2 when we needed to win against a relatively weak opposition at home. Even d Egypt double header he played 4-5-1.

Too early to also liken him(Rohr) to Pellegrini and Someone. Team formations at national team level are typically different from club level.

TheGoodJoe:


Echiejile is your best opinion because the coaches chose to call him. Apart from that, he is not performing or performed better than Oshaniwa.

I did not say play Oshaniwa. Call him to camp. Reward him for doing well.

Just as Coach Siasia called Echiejile and Amuzie to camp. I was okay with Coach Siasia choosing Amuzie over Echiejile. If Oshaniwa comes to camp and the coaches prefer Echiejile. No problem.

Screening Oshaniwa out after he performed well is bad for our football. An unfair competition will not help us grow.

There is no excuse why he is not in camp.

goldfish80:

Rohr basically copied the new school German system of 4-4-2, which transformed into a 4-4-1-1 as the game went on.

Rohr is going all text book new German tactics with this team. This 4-4-1-1 system will definitely collapse into 4-2-3-1. I read somewhere, he talked about integrating Etebo and Iwobi.
Definitely when this happens, we are going straight to 4-4-2 transformed into 4-2-3-1, even morphing into 4-4-1-1 moving on.

Zambia drew 1-1 with Kenya at home . I think we have a chance of nailing them to the cross next month in Lusaka.

tbaba1234:


In my opinion, Siasia wasted the Olympics chance to find new players. Players like Ndifreke, Sincere Seth and a few others were not our best players at that level and that is why, they have no Eagles future even after the Olympics. I hope, he does not coach a national team again.

I believe the Rohr will select whom he thinks are the best and that favoritism associated with local coaches will not be there.

Right now, Oshaniwa is playing at a level that will not help his case for a recall. Especially, with Amuzie now in Italy and Madu in Belgium.

TheGoodJoe:


This is not just about clubs. Musa Mohammed got dropped but he is playing in the Super Eagles.

We are talking about a player that served well. If Oshaniwa flopped and he was dropped, it is okay. He did jot flop.

Echiejile flopped a lot. The coach should invite Juwon Oshaniwa. If Echiejile does better, then play him. If Oshaniwa does better, then we will be doing ourselves a disservice playing a weaker player. Leaving out Juwon Oshaniwa is wrong.

To be frank, I feel someone do not want Juwon Oshaniwa to outshine Echiejile again. It was glaring under Coach Keshi who was the better player. Then Coach Keshi loses his Job and the better left back never get a call up. Definitely, it is unfair.

tbaba1234:


Musa Muhammad excelled at youth level and his last performance for the Eagles was not bad. Oshaniwa has not played for the Eagles in a long time.

Rohr even expressed surprise at Musa's performance.

As time goes, club form will be an important indicator for Rohr's team. That does not favour Oshaniwa.

tbaba1234:


Musa Muhammad excelled at youth level and his last performance for the Eagles was not bad. Oshaniwa has not played for the Eagles in a long time.

Rohr even expressed surprise at Musa's performance.

As time goes, club form will be an important indicator for Rohr's team. That does not favour Oshaniwa.

zoboizee:
if Ahmed strike for u then prepare for HBP. He his consistently inconsistent. One minute excellent the next minute annoying. That Ahmed can kill someone. Remember the SA game in Uyo. Yes, he was our striker. Chance after chance, he was wasting it just like his sake did yesterday.

TheGoodJoe:


As time goes on, I agree. What about now?

That is the point. He was one of our best players at the World Cup. If you say World Cup is too far, what of the AFCON qualifiers under Coach Keshi. Is that too far?

As I said. No excuse. Someone somewhere does not want him on the team.

It is just like Coach Siasia carrying Obiora Nwankwo to the U20 World Cup. Coach Keshi came and called him to the AFCON. Shockingly, Oliseh came and called him.

This is despite the guy not being outstanding and quality. Someone was pushing him.

joseph1013:
I think we're getting carried away. It's Tanzania, people!

tbaba1234:


Rohr will get more knowledge on Nigerian players as time passes.

For now, there is no other indicator of form than club performance.

In spite of Awaziem's form in Europe last season, he never got called to camp by Nigerian coaches. Instead, we will manage Sincere Seth in Centre Defence.

Rohr does not have those alliances for now and will depend on merit.

TheGoodJoe:


I told you before. Musa Mohammed did not come in from club record. What I am complaining about is not just a Rohr thing. It has gone on since Coach Keshi left.

Iheanacho their U17 was in 2013. Definitely, he did not come in from New Zealand U20. He is there because Salisu Yusuf invited him for the last game. Salisu Yusuf is in the coaching crew. So he had a major role to play.

Oshaniwa was doing well in Nov. 2014. So how does he not get picked all these while.. A player he outperformed and took his position gets invited by all the coaches.

Definitely, something is fishy.

TheGoodJoe:


I agree he is wasteful but he is better attacking than winging. Why play him were he will be less effective? If Musa must play, he should be part of the attacking set up. He has mad shots from long range. Playing him as a winger is ineffective.

joseph1013
Then we are better off dropping Ighalo from the team & have Musa there. And we can also try a solid centre back on that leftback too. Not necessarily a left footed player. Someone well composed & a good passer. Maybe we need call guys like these in our get together:
1. Carl Ikeme 2. Emmanuel Daniel 3. Ikechukwu Ezinwa 4. Kenneth Omeruo 5. Leon Balogun 6. William Troost-Ekong 7. Chidozie Awaziem
8. Musa Mohammed 9. Wilfred Ndidi 10. Elderson Echiejile 11. Brown Ideye 12. Mikel Obi
13. Ogenyi Onazi 14. Anderson Esiti
15. Moses Simon 16. Oghenekaro Etebo
17. Azubuike Okechukwu 18. Ahmed Musa 19. Victor Moses 20. Imoh Ezekiel 21. Alexander Iwobi
22. Kelechi Iheanacho

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I think we're getting carried away. It's Tanzania, people!

tbaba1234:


Musa Muhammad played the last super eagles game before Tanzania. When last did Oshaniwa play for the Eagles?

Also, Salisu might have helped him with the list.

TheGoodJoe:


I see Coach Siasia more as a 4-4-2 coach. A lot similar to Pellegrini and Simeone.

Against Egypt, at Kaduna, we had Iheanacho and Ighalo striking.

At Alexandria, We had Aminu and Ighalo striking.

Against Germany at the we had Mikel and Sadiq striking.

He likes to attack with a pair upfront.

We had enough players to play a 4-3-3 attacking set up. The Tanzanians stayed back but he still went with two pair up front. Selected Musa to play more as a winger instead of a wing forward/SS.

......................................Ighalo(CF).
...............Musa(LW)............................Iheanacho(RW)

I think his a 4-4-2 attacking coach but as you said, it is too early to judge. Let us see if he is flexible in his style and adopts different set ups for different teams.

icon4ss:


Nigeria vs Egypt in Kaduna, Iheanacho played deep from d midfield in the first half. He was actually a number 10 but dropped deep a lot more often.

At the Olympic Mikel was AM and not a striker, even in that Germany game. He usually joined Sadiq upfront to add up to the striking options when we were on the offensive. That is more like a 4-4-1-1 formation which can either be a variant of 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 depending on the role of that player behind the main striker. An AM(Mikel at d Olympics) or an SS (Iheanacho vs Tanzania) typically plays in that "hole" behind the main striker. The thing is tactics shifts between 4-5-1, 4-4-2 & 4-3-3 at various times of a game depending on what result the team desires to achieve at that point in the game. 4-4-1-1 & 4-2-3-1 are both variants of 4-4-2 & 4-5-1.

icon4ss:
Would Nigeria have qualified had Chad not withdrawn?

There were 2 places up for grabs by teams that would finish 2nd.
Uganda picked one earlier today after they finished on 13points.
Nigeria would have finished on a maximum of 11pts had Chad remained (meaning winning in N' Djamena, Chad)

We would have waited to see d outcome of matches involving Togo, Tunisia, Liberia, and Benin to see who claims the other ticket. Togo vs Djibouti (Togo already had 8pts), Tunisia vs Liberia (both on 10pts). Mali vs Benin (Mali through, Benin on 11pts).

How the games finished:

Togo 5-0 Djibouti
Tunisia 4-1 Liberia
Mali 5-2 Benin.

Outcome: Tunisia top their group and Liberia out
Togo picks the last ticket as they finished on 11pts and +7goals difference.
Benin are out, finishing on 11pts and +2 goals difference.

Back to Nigeria's chances had Chad remained.
Nigeria finished on 5pts with 0 goals difference. Had the result against Chad remained that would have 8pts and + 2 goals difference. It means we needed to have beaten Chad away by 5 or 6 nil to have finished above Togo of Which I don't think that Oliseh's or Siasia's or Salisu's team would have achieved.

My vedicts: Chad's withdrawal or not couldn't have made any difference. We would have just postponed our anguish to today. We have to go back to that draw in Tanzania and that late loss in concentration due to fair play that made us lose 2pts in that Egypt clash. Those were the two games that really caused us.

TheGoodJoe:


As much as I prefer a three man attack system. Just as Manchester City has Sterling, Nolito, Aguero and Barcelona has MSN.

Simeone has shown us a 4-4-2 system can be managed to play in a compact possessive way. The Germans are thriving with it too.

If Rohr can keep the lads organized and compact, I think we can do well.

I hope it is because it is Tanzania, that is why he went all high pressing. I hope he keeps the team together and reduces the pressure on the defence during counter attacks.

TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho played as a striker in Kaduna and in the game yesterday. He plays his striking as a false nine. You will not call Messi playing as a false 9 a midfielder.

He dropped deep a lot in both games. If you remember the beginning part of the Kaduna game, Iheanacho was up front. He noticed the gap between the midfield and attack and dropped deep.

This is something Ighalo should pick up. Dropping deep, helping in build up play and getting back in position to score.

Iheanacho and Ighalo had most of the chances because they were striking.

In the Germany game, most times we pressed, we had Mikel up front. You are right in the 4-4-1-1 set up but what I am pointing out is that Coach Siasia likes two men doing the striking.

No matter how he sets the team up, you have two men forward and two men back.

In yesterday's game, we had Ighalo and Iheanacho up front when attacking and Ekong and Balogun behind. Looked similar to me.

goldfish80:


There is no way a team plays with a high press and not be suspectible to the odd counter attacks. Arsenal, 08-2013 Barcelona, pep Guardiola's bayern who employ this tactics were prone to leaving holes behind when they attack.
In my opinion, before employing a high press system, the team requires very very quick defenders who will not loose a foot race against the opposing attackers.

Frankly speaking I think we have very quick defenders these days. Atleast non of our defenders are 30+... Leon Baloguns sprint and last ditch tackle exemplifies what am trying to say.
I believe our youthful defence/midfield will cope with this tactics. If yobo had been in This team, I would have said No!
John Terry lost his place in Chelsea to Zuma last season because of this problem.

Trust me, am not a huge fan of Elderson, but I frankly don't think he had a bad game like you're saying. I belive he played exactly to instruction.
I think Rohr opted to have a very balanced defence, probably giving Musa the license to burst forward when he can, while Elderson stayed more Conservative in his position.
Even when he got forward, he didn't loose possession. I recall in the first half,he combined well with moses, that was the reason we were more productive at that part of the pitch.

Let's not discount Elderson yet, he is the most senior and experienced defender we have now, at certain stage in the qualifiers you just need experience.

If memory serves me, it was omeruo not Elderson who cost us the Afcon ticket against South Africa.

BascoVanVeli:


Chad's withdrawal made the Egypt match do or die. It changed the stakes.

BascoVanVeli:


Boss Iheanacho played as a midfielder yesterday. If that's ur case then Etebo also is a false 9.

TheGoodJoe:


We did not lose the AFCON ticket in the South African game. That was a last effort to save us. We won two games before the South African game and drew that game 2-2.

We drew our first game with South Africa. We lost the AFCON ticket in our loses against Sudan and I think Congo. In those games, Echiejile was poor and that led tocoach Siasia to drop Echiejile.

I did not say Echiejile had a poor game. He was coordinated and helped the defence. He lost track after we scored by bombarding forward. That drew only a scold from Balogun advising him to hold the defence and secure the win (From My Observation).

So no I did not say Oshaniwa had a poor game. I am saying Juwon Oshaniwa should have been invited to camp to see if he is still a better option. You do not drop the player who performed better in the qualifiers for the player who performed worse.

In the qualifiers under Keshi, with Echiejile we lost to Congo and Sudan. With Oshaniwa, we won scoring five goals against both teams. That was where we lost the ticket. Not South Africa.

TheGoodJoe:


We did not lose the AFCON ticket in the South African game. That was a last effort to save us. We won two games before the South African game and drew that game 2-2.

We drew our first game with South Africa. We lost the AFCON ticket in our loses against Sudan and I think Congo. In those games, Echiejile was poor and that led tocoach Siasia to drop Echiejile.

I did not say Echiejile had a poor game. He was coordinated and helped the defence. He lost track after we scored by bombarding forward. That drew only a scold from Balogun advising him to hold the defence and secure the win (From My Observation).

So no I did not say Oshaniwa had a poor game. I am saying Juwon Oshaniwa should have been invited to camp to see if he is still a better option. You do not drop the player who performed better in the qualifiers for the player who performed worse.

In the qualifiers under Keshi, with Echiejile we lost to Congo and Sudan. With Oshaniwa, we won scoring five goals against both teams. That was where we lost the ticket. Not South Africa.

icon4ss:


Regardless of the earlier games, we needed to win the South Africa game to qualify as one of the best losers.