TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho played as a striker in Kaduna and in the game yesterday. He plays his striking as a false nine. You will not call Messi playing as a false 9 a midfielder.

He dropped deep a lot in both games. If you remember the beginning part of the Kaduna game, Iheanacho was up front. He noticed the gap between the midfield and attack and dropped deep.

This is something Ighalo should pick up. Dropping deep, helping in build up play and getting back in position to score.

Iheanacho and Ighalo had most of the chances because they were striking.

In the Germany game, most times we pressed, we had Mikel up front. You are right in the 4-4-1-1 set up but what I am pointing out is that Coach Siasia likes two men doing the striking.

No matter how he sets the team up, you have two men forward and two men back.

In yesterday's game, we had Ighalo and Iheanacho up front when attacking and Ekong and Balogun behind. Looked similar to me.

TheGoodJoe:


That is not were we lost the ticket. Without Echiejile's mistakes, we would have won or drawn both games against Congo and Sudan. Not hoping to Win or draw South Africa the group leaders.

Not a knock off on Echiejile. I want a fair competition for roles. Not screening out one entirely. If Rohr had both in camp and selected Echiejile, no problem.

I might say Echiejile's mistakes but that is not the point. I am talking of dropping a Super Eagles player who had a good World Cup and Qualifiers for no reason.

As soon as Coach Keshi left, no call up for him. They even remembered Babatunde from far back the World Cup. Yet no Oshaniwa. Same thing with Sone Aluko.

Oliseh even left Aluko for Onobi. Come on.

goldfish80:

Alot of factors cost us that Afcon ticket to defend the title.
Maybe it's a matter of perspective but I think not having a focused FA with the threat of FIFA ban due to whatever politics Nff was involved in played a key role.
I remember the game against Congo we lost at home there was basically no FA due to the ouster of Maigari....

Remember, we had already beaten Congo in Lumumbashi, had we beaten South Africa in Uyo, we would have qualified.
Instead we allowed an average player like Ranti to have a field day. Egwuekwe and Omeruo were totally out of their dept on the day.
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Personally, I think we need a steady guy at the left back especially when playing Algeria with Mahrez on The opposite side. If we present a half fit player at left back against mahrez, its curtains for us.

icon4ss:


Nigeria was still very much in contention before d last game against South Africa. A win in that game would have healed the wounds of the earlier loses but we blew it up.

It is not in my character to single out any 1 defender for a blame for a lose. Defending is meant to be a collaborative effort. I am always an advocate for consistency in our back line. By this there would b more co-ordination and understanding.

icon4ss:


Chad withdrew after we had drawn at home to Egypt. Remember they were supposed to play Tanzania same day but could not show up. So we played that first leg against Egypt with d mindset that Chad was still in the tourney. For the return leg in Egypt we still would have lost that game if Chad had not withdrawn.in fact Chad's withdrawal even made us take dat Egypt return leg a do or die yet we lost.

icon4ss:


Iheanacho was an AM in both games. As I said players with such capabilities as Iheanacho are made to switch roles to an SS or CF when the team is on the offensive or on an attacking wing play. In both games, he was basically set up to play behind Ighalo.

icon4ss:


Nigeria was still very much in contention before d last game against South Africa. A win in that game would have healed the wounds of the earlier loses but we blew it up.

It is not in my character to single out any 1 defender for a blame for a lose. Defending is meant to be a collaborative effort. I am always an advocate for consistency in our back line. By this there would b more co-ordination and understanding.

TheGoodJoe:


Definitely, those affected the team. Just as the sacking of Coach Keshi after winning the games against Sudan and Congo before the South African game played a part.

However, we can not deny some on pitch selections that played their part.

If Hope Akpan played against South Africa, I doubt Ranti would have had such freedom to score those goals. Onazi lost his place in the defensive midfield to Hope Akpan.

Dropping Onazi to the Right back position and replacing Echiejile with Oshaniwa changed the team. Aluko behind the attack was marvellous. With that set up, we stood a good chance against South Africa.

Note, we did not lose. But Onazi doing his Essien impression left holes that Exposed the defence.

In the earlier games against Sudan and Congo, Echiejile was the culprit. His wing exploited and caused us goals.

As soon as Oshaniwa came in, those same players could not penetrate from that wing.

Not just NFF fiasco.

Oshaniwa played three games straight with Echiejile on the bench.

Coach Keshi loses his job, Coach Oliseh takes over, Echiejile back in the line up and Oshaniwa no where to be found. FISHY.

goldfish80:

I don't really think it was Oshaniwa who transformed the super eagles durring his short spell when he held sway.

I think the introduction of Aron Samuel to an extent revived the super eagles because he brought different dynamics and skill set to the team.

There will always be situations like this when some players are left out of the team and questions asked.
Someone like Kayode Olarenwaju, I believe deserves a look in. He is highly rated in Austria. The fastest player in that league.
I think he helped his team to Europa league qualification by scoring a brace 2weeks ago.

Why a player like this doesn't get a lookin but sylverster Igbonu (sly) got call ups is astonishing.

You will do well to check out kayode in youtube.

goldfish80:

I don't really think it was Oshaniwa who transformed the super eagles durring his short spell when he held sway.

I think the introduction of Aron Samuel to an extent revived the super eagles because he brought different dynamics and skill set to the team.

There will always be situations like this when some players are left out of the team and questions asked.
Someone like Kayode Olarenwaju, I believe deserves a look in. He is highly rated in Austria. The fastest player in that league.
I think he helped his team to Europa league qualification by scoring a brace 2weeks ago.

Why a player like this doesn't get a lookin but sylverster Igbonu (sly) got call ups is astonishing.

You will do well to check out kayode in youtube.

goldfish80:

I don't really think it was Oshaniwa who transformed the super eagles durring his short spell when he held sway.

I think the introduction of Aron Samuel to an extent revived the super eagles because he brought different dynamics and skill set to the team.

There will always be situations like this when some players are left out of the team and questions asked.
Someone like Kayode Olarenwaju, I believe deserves a look in. He is highly rated in Austria. The fastest player in that league.
I think he helped his team to Europa league qualification by scoring a brace 2weeks ago.

Why a player like this doesn't get a lookin but sylverster Igbonu (sly) got call ups is astonishing.

You will do well to check out kayode in youtube.

TheGoodJoe:


I think this has to do with the perspective and understanding of the game. I was exposed to much of Pellegrini's tactics and I notice similarities.

Nacho could be seen as a midfielder based on perspective. His switching roles during the game.

Under Pellegrini, One striker stays front. DZEKO/NEGREDO and Aguero/Jovetic drops deep to midfield. Sometimes drops as deep as the defensive position.

You could see them doing the midfield role but to Pellegrini, he is a second striker. Those players make good false nine players.

I can not say this is right or wrong because the second striker has a role of covering the gap between the midfield and attack during build-up. This is a role for a midfielder. Nacho did this.

Then when the ball is in front, he joins forces with the center forward. Nacho did this too.

In recent years, Gunners hardly play with a second striker. It is more 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3.

So you see Nacho as an attacking midfielder going forward a lot, while I saw him as an attacker dropping deep.

joseph1013:
I think we're getting carried away. It's Tanzania, people!

icon4ss:

TheGoodJoe:


This is not just a current form issue. When Juwon Oshaniwa did well under Coach Keshi, Coach Oliseh came and never called him. Since then until now. So him losing his place is not current form.

He should have been invited just as Mikel, Ambrose, Onazi, Babatunde, Musa, Echiejile, Ideye, Emenike etc have gotten invites after Coach Keshi. This is beyond a current form issue. This is a total screen out.

icon4ss:


Kayode to me is a very descent attacker. However, we have players hu already are ahead of him. Remember Isaac Success is not even in the team yet. With Ighalo, Iheanacho & Ideye already in the team Kayode may not likely get a call up soon.

Talking about Sylvester Igboun, the thing is as at then we were short in the number of players hu can play the "number 10". Aluko would have been a candidate but then got relegated with his club of which Oliseh said no lower division player would make his team.

Igboun to me didn't do badly.

joseph1013:


But now that he is out of form, why do you still want him called? We should call a player based on his performance in 2014/2015? The guy has not played any game since May 2016. Since then, his club has played 4 EUROPA LEAGUE games, 4 Scottish Premiership league games, and 1 Scottish League Cup.

Before the transfer month ended, his coach Robbie Neilson wanted him gone. He said he is looking for clubs he could sell him to.

In other words, we should leave him totally out of reckoning for the Eagles till he shows his stuff at club level.

icon4ss:


Kayode to me is a very descent attacker. However, we have players hu already are ahead of him. Remember Isaac Success is not even in the team yet. With Ighalo, Iheanacho & Ideye already in the team Kayode may not likely get a call up soon.

Talking about Sylvester Igboun, the thing is as at then we were short in the number of players hu can play the "number 10". Aluko would have been a candidate but then got relegated with his club of which Oliseh said no lower division player would make his team.

Igboun to me didn't do badly.

TheGoodJoe:


A player can be good and get treated badly by the coach. We have seen it many times. Most recently, Musa Mohammed. The player we see play for the Nigerian Super Eagles is not the kind of player that gets dropped by the coach. It happened to Musa Mohammed. Do you say we should not have invited him?

What of Onazi and Mikel's cases? Dumped for almost a whole season. A coach change and both players became key players to their squad. Should we have dumped them?

What of Chidebere Nwakali that was screened out? Looked a useless player who could never make the team. Changes club and boom revelation. Promising.

I did not say we play Juwon Oshaniwa. I said, invite him to camp. For a player who did very well for us, not so long ago, November 2015, all that talent can not flush away.

Invite him to camp and see if he is good. If he is not, drop him. If he is good play him.

That is exactly what happened with Musa Mohammed. We judged his talent ourselves. Not based in club form or what the coaches think.

joseph1013:


No...we cannot invite him because he has been out for a long time and he is not making progress in his club. The examples you gave do not hold water.

Musa has been around the U23 setup and was not in Rio because of his club. Siasia vouched for him and said he was excellent in camp.

Onazi is playing in his club. He's played all the club's games so far.

Mikel was in Rio and he was our best player. It only makes sense to invite him.

What is Juwon's case? He has not played for about 4 months now, so why should we invite him?

Just like Chidiebere, he should find a new club, do well in the club, only then can we invite him. We are past the era of inviting players based on sentiments. So we should invite him because he played well in 2014? That's 2 years ago!

Echiejile is not doing badly. We also have Madu and Amuzie. C'mon!

joseph1013:


No...we cannot invite him because he has been out for a long time and he is not making progress in his club. The examples you gave do not hold water.

Musa has been around the U23 setup and was not in Rio because of his club. Siasia vouched for him and said he was excellent in camp.

Onazi is playing in his club. He's played all the club's games so far.

Mikel was in Rio and he was our best player. It only makes sense to invite him.

What is Juwon's case? He has not played for about 4 months now, so why should we invite him?

Just like Chidiebere, he should find a new club, do well in the club, only then can we invite him. We are past the era of inviting players based on sentiments. So we should invite him because he played well in 2014? That's 2 years ago!

Echiejile is not doing badly. We also have Madu and Amuzie. C'mon!

zicky:
I love your response, I don't know why they should be clamor to in Juwon cos he performed well 2yrs ago, we should as well invite Osaze, Dike(the US guy)

joseph1013:


No...we cannot invite him because he has been out for a long time and he is not making progress in his club. The examples you gave do not hold water.

Musa has been around the U23 setup and was not in Rio because of his club. Siasia vouched for him and said he was excellent in camp.

Onazi is playing in his club. He's played all the club's games so far.

Mikel was in Rio and he was our best player. It only makes sense to invite him.

What is Juwon's case? He has not played for about 4 months now, so why should we invite him?

Just like Chidiebere, he should find a new club, do well in the club, only then can we invite him. We are past the era of inviting players based on sentiments. So we should invite him because he played well in 2014? That's 2 years ago!

Echiejile is not doing badly. We also have Madu and Amuzie. C'mon!

zicky:
I love your response, I don't know why they should be clamor to in Juwon cos he performed well 2yrs ago, we should as well invite Osaze, Dike(the US guy)

joseph1013:


Musa has been around the U23 setup and was not in Rio because of his club. Siasia vouched for him and said he was excellent in camp.

Just like Chidiebere, he should find a new club, do well in the club, only then can we invite him. We are past the era of inviting players based on sentiments.

TheGoodJoe:


Onazi was not playing for Super Eagles, almost a who season and was still called up by the Super Eagles. He was not making progress at his club. How does that not hold water? I am not talking about now. I am talking about when Onazi was not playing. We continued inviting him.

When Mikel was on bench, we continued inviting him. Mikel was not making a progress at Chelsea but we continued inviting him.

Musa Mohammed is not playing for his club. He did not make progress but we invited him.

So I do not get why you want to justify the inclusion of Oshaniwa with he is not making progress.

Chidebere Nwakali proved that you can he on the bench and it seems you are not making progress. Yet, you are good.

There is no reason for Oshaniwa getting screened out from the Super Eagles. Using he is not making progress does not count when other players get called up.

joseph1013:


So the fact that players who were not making progress at club level were called in the past means we should keep doing it.

That's why I told you that the era of calling players based on sentiments is past.

The implication of calling Juwon based on your sentiment is that we can now call up anybody and say they MAY perform in the Super Eagles. With the avalanche of talents at our disposal, is that the way we want to continue running our football? There is nothing extra special about Oshaniwa.

TheGoodJoe:


It is easy to love the response when the person missed the point I made and you also missed it.

How can a player who played Nov. 19 in 2014 for the Super Eagles be two years from now. It is still one year plus. Also, I am complaining of his exclusion since Sunday Oliseh. Is that still two years ago? What of Coach Siasia?

Simple, he performed well for the Super Eagles. Check if he I good. Do not play him unless he is good. If he is not good, drop him. If he is better than what we have, we are fielding a weaker team than we have.

Same goes for Sone Aluko. Try them before discarding them. We might leave players who are better for weaker ones.

For a start, Oshaniwa crosses better than Amuzie and Echiejile. We play ad we do not get good crosses to our forwards.

There is no defence why we should not try if he is better. Try.

joseph1013:


So the fact that players who were not making progress at club level were called in the past means we should keep doing it.

That's why I told you that the era of calling players based on sentiments is past.

The implication of calling Juwon based on your sentiment is that we can now call up anybody and say they MAY perform in the Super Eagles. With the avalanche of talents at our disposal, is that the way we want to continue running our football? There is nothing extra special about Oshaniwa.

joseph1013:


Imagine! The last time he played for the Eagles was November 2014. That's almost two years. we are in September 2016. The last time he played for his club was May 2016, yet you want him near Super Eagles.

If we invite Aluko, it is justified. Aluko is playing REGULARLY for his club. You cannot even compare the two of them. I repeat: Let Juwon go another club and prove himself before we invite him. Is that asking for too much?