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Notruthatall:
Yes. . .God has a body, but he is infinite.Yes, Jesus has a body and thesame nature as God. . .infinite. That infiniteness came and made itself an abode in something finite in order to take on a body! Hhe took on flesh!

I choose to say that since God and Jesus have a body only that this body is infinite, there should be a LIFE inside that body.

Now let me ask, when God sent Jesus into the womb of Mary. Did He send the Jesus' infinite body with LIFE or ONLY LIFE?

NOTE: Both the infinite body and life are DIVINE.

Jessicha:
@ bold , correction pls lake of fire is not hellfire , lake of fire is second DEATH - Rev 20:14

I seeeeeeeeee, I know you will bring that verse already but mind you I don't have time to type to be explaining something for you because I know you will not believe.I can't waste my time bro have a nice day

Jessicha:
pathetic is your case , how can the God of the universe have a God ? ( Rev 3:12 )

so Jesus is not the great God of the whole universe?
Lol @ bold stop deluding yourself. The father referred to him as God also.
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Jessicha:
@ bold , correction pls lake of fire is not hellfire , lake of fire is second DEATH - Rev 20:14

I seeeeeeeeee, I know you will bring that verse already but mind you I don't have time to type to be explaining something for you because I know you will not believe.I can't waste my time bro have a nice day

and bros please let us put faith aside please go ND read that same revelation 20-10 and pray that only spirit should explain it better for you don't tell your pastor then before you do so

Jessicha,

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and my GOD" in Jn. 20:28 and Jesus had no controversy with him.

What do you have to say?

JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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JMAN05:
Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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truthislight:
He had said he was promised 'eternity'.

What does eternal life mean to a JW?

Jessicha:
@ bold , correction pls lake of fire is not hellfire , lake of fire is second DEATH - Rev 20:14

The second death which burns with fire and brim stones?

Emusan:
Through study of the original Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek manuscripts, right?

inclusive but not limited to the above

But you have right to declare another version WRONG all because NWT it's your organization translation. Keep fooling yourself!

once I can provide facts to surpport my personal beliefs, note I did not declare any version wrong, we are talking about verses, not the whole translation.

Personal belief as if you've stopped attending Kingdom Hall's meeting or stopped reading watchtower & awake publications.

if you have issues as to the source of my perzonal beliefs, their is little I can do about that!

solite3:

The Holy Ghost Is Deity

The JW's believe that the Holy Ghost is only "God's active force." They deny the scriptural teaching that the Holy Ghost is a Member of the Holy Trinity:

"The Scriptures themselves unite to show that God's holy spirit is not a person but is God's active force by which he accomplishes his purpose and executes his will" (Aid to Bible Understanding, pg. 1543).

"The Holy Spirit is the invisible active force of Almighty God that moves his servants to do his will" (Let God Be True, pg. 108).

Not only do the JW's deny the DEITY of the Holy Spirit, they even deny that He is a person. So, in this sense, Satan has been exalted ABOVE the Holy Ghost by the JW's! The reason given by the JW's for the personality of Satan is that:

". . . the Bible calls Satan a manslayer, a liar, a father (in a spiritual sense) and a ruler. (John 8:44, 14:30) Only an intelligent person could fit all those descriptions." (See "Awake!", December 8, 1973)

We agree, but how can any honest person say that and then DENY the personality of the Holy Ghost? The Holy Ghost ALSO has attributes that only a PERSON can have. For example:

(1) Only a person could SPEAK, which the Holy Spirit does (Acts 2:11; 13:2; Rev. 2:7).

(2) Only a person could TEACH and COMFORT (Jhn. 16:7, 13).

(3) Only a person could have a MIND (Rom. 8:27).

(4) Only a person could possess the POWER that the Holy Spirit possesses (Rom. 15:19).

(5) Only a person could be INSULTED and GRIEVED (Heb. 10:29; Eph. 4:30).

So the Holy Ghost certainly IS a Person, but more than that, He is GOD, the Third Member of the Holy Trinity. There are several scriptural proofs for the Deity of the Holy Ghost:

(1) In Acts 15:3 Peter accuses Ananias of lying to the Holy Ghost, and then in verse four Peter tells him that he had lied unto GOD. The Holy Ghost is God.

(2) The Holy Ghost says in Acts 13:2, "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." GOD is the one who calls men to do His work (Rom. 8:28; Gal. 1:6; 1 Ths. 2:12; 4:7; 2 Ths. 2:13-14); so, the Holy Ghost is God.

(3) Only God could perform all the great wonders that the Holy Ghost performs (Psa. 104:30; Jhn. 14:16, 26; 16:8-14; Job 33:4; 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 1:13; 4:30).

(4) The Holy Ghost is God because blasphemy against Him shall not be forgiven (Mat. 12:31).

(5) The Holy Ghost is God because He is ETERNAL (Heb. 9:14).

(6) The Holy Ghost is God because He is OMNIPRESENT (Psa. 139:7-.

(7) The Holy Ghost is God because He has the power to give life (John 3:6; 6:63).

(9) The Scriptures are God's word, and 2 Peter 1:21 says that the Holy Ghost INSPIRED the Scriptures. Therefore the Holy Ghost is God.

The Bible clearly reveals to us that the Holy Ghost is a Member of the Holy Trinity. To deny this truth is to openly deny God's word.

The Trinity doctrine is a BIBLE doctrine. It is true that Satan has counterfeited the Trinity doctrine for many centuries in many pagan religions, but that doesn't change the truth. God's word declares that He is a Trinity, and it is our responsibility to BELIEVE it.



Did Jesus Christ Rise Physically From the Dead?

According to the JW's, He did not. The Bible speaks of a literal and physical resurrection, but the Watchtower Society teaches that Jesus only rose from the grave spiritually. Their literature speaks for itself:

". . . So the King Christ Jesus was put to death in the flesh and was resurrected an invisible spirit creature." (Let God Be True, pg. 138)

"Therefore the bodies in which Jesus manifested himself to his disciples after his return to life were not the body in which he was nailed to a tree. They were merely materialized for the occasion, resembling on one or two occasions the body in which he died..." (The Kingdom Is At Hand, pg. 259)

"Our Lord's human body . . . did not decay or corrupt . . . whether it was dissolved into gasses or whether it is still preserved somewhere . . . no one knows." (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol. 2, pg. 129)

According to the words of Jesus Christ Himself, He is NOT merely a spirit being. He is a literal and physical risen Savior. In Luke chapter twenty-four, beginning at verse thirty-six, the disciples see the risen Christ and they supposed they had seen a spirit (vs. 37); but Jesus cleared the matter up for everyone when He said, ". . . Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luk. 24:38-39)

He then SHOWED them His hands and feet, and they believed. What did they believe? They believed that He was a literal and physical being in a literal and physical body.

When Jesus appeared to Thomas He said, ". . . Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." (Jhn. 20:27) The risen Christ had the crucifixion scars in His body to PROVE that He had been physically resurrected from the dead.

If Jesus didn't rise physically then He lied in John 2:18-22 when He said that His "body" would rise in three days. He didn't say His spirit would rise. He said that His BODY would rise. When He arose His disciples actually REMEMBERED this prophecy and believed. Too bad the JW's can't do the same.

The JW's claim that Jesus appeared in different bodies after His so-called "spiritual resurrection." Their "proof" for this is the fact that the Emmaus disciples didn't recognize Him in His resurrection body, so it couldn't have been the same body. That's nonsense. Luke 24:16 tells us why they didn't recognize Him. It had nothing to do with a spiritual body. The problem was their EYESIGHT: "But their eyes were holden that they should not know him."

The bodily resurrection of Christ is a fundamental Bible doctrine. The salvation of a person's soul rests upon this doctrine, because if Jesus didn't physically rise from the dead AS HE SAID HE WOULD, then we're all lost and going to Hell according to 1 Corinthians 15:12-19 (JW's included).



Will There Be A Literal and Physical Second Coming?

If the Lord Jesus Christ was resurrected literally and physically from the dead, and if He appeared physically to His disciples, then His Second Coming must also be literal and physical.

Acts 1:11 tells us that Jesus will return "in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Jesus ascended into Heaven literally, physically, and visibly, so He will return "in like manner."

The JW's deny this. They insist that the Second Coming of Christ will be SPIRITUAL, rather than literal and physical:

"Christ Jesus comes, not again as a human, but as a glorious spirit person." (Let God Be True, pg. 196)

"Since no earthly men have ever seen or can see the Father, they will be unable to see the glorified Son." (Let God Be True, pg. 197)

"It is a settled Scriptural truth, therefore, that human eyes will not see him at his second coming, neither will he come in a fleshy body." (The Truth Shall Make You Free, pg. 295)



The word of God says otherwise. Paul says in Titus 2:13 that we should be LOOKING for that blessed hope and the glorious APPEARING of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. If the JW's are right in saying that we will not be able to see Christ, then why did Paul tell us to be LOOKING for His APPEARING?

The New World Translation has very conveniently removed the word "appearing" from Titus 2:13 and replaced it with "manifestation." The same has also been done in 1 Timothy 6:14, 2 Timothy 1:10, and 2 Timothy 4:8. (You can make the Bible teach ANYTHING if you just CHANGE THE WORDS!)

Now we know that the Second Coming of Christ will NOT be a spiritual and invisible return. Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." In Matthew 24:30, Jesus Himself says, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Zechariah 14:4 says, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south." The literal and physical feet of Luke 24:39 will literally STAND upon the literal, physical, and very visible mount of Olives. That's perfectly clear to anyone with reading ability.

There's nothing spiritual or invisible about the Second Coming of Christ. The "clouds" will be literal (Rev. 1:7), as will the "fire" (2 Ths. 1:, the "saints" (1 Ths. 3:13), the "mountains and rocks" (Rev. 6:16), and, of course, the thousand-year reign (Rev. 20:1-7). A "spiritual" or "invisible" Second Coming is totally foreign to the written revelation of God.

Now, it is also noteworthy to point out that the JW's have quite a record when it comes to DATING the Second Coming. Listed below are five separate instances where the JW's have predicted the Second Coming and missed:

(1) In 1897, a book titled "The Battle of Armageddon" stated on page seventy-five that Jesus' Second Coming had ALREADY HAPPENED INVISIBLY in the year 1874, and the Watchtower publication re-stated this in the September 15th issue of 1922 and also in the January 1st issue of 1924.

(2) On January 15th, 1892, the Watchtower claimed that Armageddon began in 1874 and would end in 1914. This became quite an embarrassment for the JW's because 1914 was the beginning of World War I!

(3) The book Millions Now Living Will Never Die claimed that the year 1925 would actually bring about the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old. Page eighty-nine of this book claimed that "the earthly phase of the kingdom shall be recognized." However, when the January 1, 1925, issue of the Watchtower was published, it said, "This may be accomplished. It may not be."

(4) The December Watchtower for 1941 claimed that World War II would turn America and England into dictatorships, that the end of Nazi rule would mark the end of demon rule, and that God would rule when the Nazis were defeated.

(5) In 1942, the JW's were still talking about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob returning "any day now!" (Consolation, May 27, 1942, Pg. 13)

So the Watchtower Society will continue right along with it's foolish date setting--keeping it's members in constant fear and confusion. It is true that the Bible gives us many definite signs which indicate the Lord's return is getting very near, but no one knows the day nor the hour (Mat. 24:36).



Is Hell A Literal Fiery Place?

The JW's have traditionally believed and taught that there is no eternal punishment for the wicked:

". . . the Bible hell is mankind's common grave..." (Let God Be True, pg. 92. Page ninety-eight of this book refers to the doctrine of Hell as a "God defaming doctrine."

"The doctrine of a burning hell where the wicked are tortured eternally after death cannot be true . . . ." (Let God Be True, pg. 99)

We call it to the reader's attention that it was none other than the Lord Jesus Christ who first used the term "hell fire" (Mat. 5:22), and it was Jesus Christ who said in Matthew 25:41, ". . . Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." When the JW's attack the Hell doctrine they are attacking the very words of Christ.

A JW believes that Hell is only the grave that everyone goes to at death. He believes that the saved ones in the graves will be given eternal life on earth after the White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20:11-15, while the unsaved in the graves will be annihilated once and for all in the Lake of Fire. JW's refuse to believe that God will punish the wicked forever in the Lake of Fire. Of course, the Scriptures say something entirely different:

(1) There is no FIRE in the grave, but there certainly is fire in the "hell" of the Bible (Luk. 16:23; Deu. 32:22; Mat. 5:22; 18:9; Jas. 3:6).

(2) No one PRAYS from the grave, but they certainly do in Hell (Luk. 16:24; Jon. 2:2).

(3) Hell was originally made for the Devil and his angels (Mat. 25:41), but the grave was not.

(4) A Christian's SOUL does not go to the grave at death (Phi. 1:21-23; 2 Cor. 5:1-10; 1 Ths. 5:10). Only the BODY goes to the grave. An unsaved man's body also goes to the grave at death, but his SOUL goes to a place of TORMENT and FLAMES (Luk. 16:22-23).

(5) The grave cannot possibly be Hell because Jesus said it would be better to enter into life (eternal life) without a hand, a foot, or an eye, than to go to Hell (Mat. 18:8-9). How could it be "better" if Hell is only the grave where there is no suffering at all? According to Jesus Christ, Hell is a lot WORSE than losing a hand, a foot, or an eye forever.

(6) Annihilation cannot be true because the Bible uses such terms as "shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2) and "torment . . . forever" (Rev. 14:11). Shame and torment are sufferings that are experienced by a LIVING BEING, not an annihilated corpse.

God is an ETERNAL Being; therefore, an eternal payment is required for sin (Mar. 9:44-48; Isa. 66:22-23). You can have a FAIR TRIAL, or you can have a FREE PARDON. In a fair trial before God, you will be eternally damned to Hell because you are a sinner against a Holy God. God will have no choice but to sentence you to Hell forever.

If you are wise you will receive God's FREE PARDON. Jesus Christ has ALREADY paid for your sins, but you must RECEIVE Him as Savior. John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

Friend, have you ever turned from your sins and received the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior? The Bible says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Jhn. 3:16)

Many have the idea that our good works can save us and get us into Heaven, but the Bible says this isn't so:

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" (Rom. 3:10)

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Rom. 3:23)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)

We have no really "good" works, because we're all SINNERS by nature. We were born into this world as sinners (Psa. 51:5), and this is why Jesus said we must be "born again" (Jhn. 3:3).

This new birth is given to us freely, and was made possible when Christ died and shed His blood at Calvary for our sins. By receiving Jesus Christ as your Savior, trusting Him alone to save you, you can be born again. You can have eternal life TODAY by faith in Jesus Christ. Romans 10:13 says, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9-10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Friend, why not turn from your sins right now and call upon the Lord to save your soul? Receive Jesus Christ as your Savior and serve Him faithfully until He returns.

If you've received Christ as your Savior, then we urge you to follow the Lord in baptism, and we also advise you to find a good Bible-believing church and join it. Don't allow such false teachers as the Jehovah's Witnesses to lead you astray!

If we can assist you in any way, please contact us. If you need more information about salvation, please write and ask for a copy of Understanding God's Salvation Plan.

what's the sense in all these now? Guys pls try and go through this piece. can you get anything? pls like if you can't and share if otherwise!

Notruthatall:
e: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by Notruthatall: 1:51pm
JMAN05:


Thanks for ur commendation.

Yes, we believe that the instrument of his execution is a stake (stauros), as opposed to cross. We however, emphasize the futility of long debate on a mere instrument of execution, the result of his death is more important than the instrument.

And we assert that such instrument should not be used as an aid to worship nor should it be worshipped. Neither is it an indisputable symbol of Christianity.

When you people came with this teaching, in 2007, I went down on my knees and prayed about it. . .immediately, I saw a vision...the ceiling parted and what I saw was the sky, and on it written in shiny characters were the words, "by my cross, you shall overcome". It was a two beamed cross, not a single stake!

Do you believe in visions? that's the first and only open vision I have had!
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I believe in visions, but there is no indication that modern day visions are empowered by God.

drewxx88:
you are so funny ... The text your quoting or drawing reference from is old testament ,while Jesus came and nearly abolished all that and even says give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar so how can a national anthem be idolatry ,even the Israelis don't joke with their national anthem and that's the birthplace of Christianity...

You do not hold anything that belongs to Caesar. Worhip belongs to Jehovah alone. Luke 4:8.

Fleshly Israel is replaced with the spiritual israelites. So whatever the present day nation of Israel does as a nation is not recognised by God. Gal. 6:16

[color=#006600][/color] Well for a long time now, this thread has been on and am sure that among those commenting, we have christians, muslims, atheists, traditional worshippers and as well those that that dont care about religion(can't recall what they're called). I have well over 70% of the post here and we can see that amidst all these people, we have those that argue blindly, some that are open minded. And these witness have really tried explaining their belief to you. Do we have ayyone among you that could make a thread for his own religion and have them respond to all these kinda test. Let's see if thry can also stand the test of time. Am looking forward to that. And apart from all these, look at the lifestyle of Jw chilren tcompared to others. What do you see? Well, that's a thought prokoking question! Then lastly, am going to leave you with thi "Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations:k To the one who conquersl I will grant to eat of the tree of life,m which is in the paradise of God.’" Rev 2:7. See you later Gotta run. Don't mind my mistakes . Typed in a hurry.

Funkybabee:
so be laughing about how you are twisting answer in other to look true in the eyes of others,you too know in your heart that what you are referring is not contradict in what he asked, you said there is no hell fire so are you now trying to say Revelation Bible is rubbish when it's said anybody that we didn't find his name in the book of life we will put him into the lake of fire(hell fire) come and try to convince me with these words please

I said hell fire, not lake of fire. lake of fire is not the same thing as hell fire. Lake of fire means the second death. Rev 20:13-15. Hell fire is not supported by the bible.

JMAN 05 pls can i get your contacts. pls email to danieljegede65@gmail.com

ola92:
what if u end up been a minister in Nigeria ...and in ur screening wit d Senate, u were ask to recite the National anthem ....will u say u can't do dat because of ur religion believe?

I wont go to be a minister. Matt 18:36

@DoctorAlien I was reading John 5: 1 through 17 and I feel you should explain best what transpired between Jesus, the Jews and the man healed all surrounding the word SABATTH. Then explain vividly what this means Matthew 12: 27,28.




Be mindful of these as well..................They took it upon themselves to decide just what “work” meant. They labeled as work 39 different activities, such as reaping or hunting. These categories gave rise to endless questions. If a man killed a flea on the Sabbath, was he hunting? If he plucked a handful of grain to eat as he walked along, was he reaping? If he healed someone who was ill, was he working? Such questions were addressed with rigid, detailed rules.

Dallat65:
JMAN 05 pls can i get your contacts. pls email to danieljegede65@gmail.com

it will be received.

malvisguy212:
John 1:15.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: FOR HE WAS BEFORE ME .

Does not this verse point to the pre-existence of christ ? This statement can be understood as we distinguish the two NATURE of christ. When viewed from the standpoint of His humanity He came after John the Baptist. Mary gave birth to Him six months after Elizabeth had given birth to John (Luke 1:26). As the ETERNAL Son of God He was before John the Baptist, eternally existing in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18).

Furthermore, in john 8:58 jesus say " before abraham was, I am" what does it imply ? Only the eternal God could make such a claim.
Indeed, Jesus could have said, "Before Adam
was, I am!" He even could have said, "Before
the universe was, I am!" In fact, in John chapter
17 He did make such a statement: "And now, O
Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the
world was...for thou lovedst me before the
foundation of the world" (John 17:5,24).

Jesus preexisted his appearance on earth. He has existed before the creation of the physical universe. This is not in doubt. One of the thing in doubt is a son (Jesus) being the same age with his Father (Jehovah). Does this sound reasonable to you?

Jessicha:
malvisguy stop deceiving yourself , Jesus EMPTIED himself before coming to earth , didn't he ? Phil 2: 9-11

Good. He emptied himself, in heaven He is the Eternal God. Even God the father call Him (jesus) God in hebrew 1:8
But about the SON he says, "Your throne, O GOD, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

dolphinheart:
inclusive but not limited to the above

Ok give us some links to where you're getting this study of yours

once I can provide facts to surpport my personal beliefs, note I did not declare any version wrong, we are talking about verses, not the whole translation.

If I may ask, is it ONLY NWT that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have
If your answer is NO! Please, kindly list any English translation you know that translated ALL BIBLE VERSES correctly like NWT

if you have issues as to the source of my perzonal beliefs, their is little I can do about that!

Chill pal, you can tell that to those kids in your area. Once you stop attending Kingdom Hall's meeting, stop reading watchtower & awake magazine. I will take you serious on your new belief but as long as these three things never departed from you you're still 100% JWs in belief and study.

JMAN05:
Jesus preexisted his appearance on earth. He has existed before the creation of the physical universe. This is not in doubt. One of the thing in doubt is a son (Jesus) being the same age with his Father (Jehovah). Does this sound reasonable to you?

Your statement is very canal my brother, in the Extra dimensional existence of God, age or time does not count, in heaven, age does not count.

JMAN05:
Jesus preexisted his appearance on earth. He has existed before the creation of the physical universe. This is not in doubt. One of the thing in doubt is a son (Jesus) being the same age with his Father (Jehovah). Does this sound reasonable to you?

So, which one comes first; created Jesus with a spiritual body and product of time who needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY and The Universe(Heavens including the abode of Angels and Earth)?

[quote author=solite3 post=49383060][/quote]sir I can't go through the stress of copying and pasting your post again, pls modify your post so one can respond to your post. If you need a response , put your post in order, if you don't want me to respond, leave it as it is!

JMAN05:
I believe in visions, but there is no indication that modern day visions are empowered by God.

And this is coming from someone who claims to be reading his Bible always. In fact any Christians who has never experienced spirituality with Jesus in his/her Christianity life need to check his/her belief and teaching because God will never cease to reveal Himself to His people.

Jesus said: "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, [size=14pt]and will manifest myself to him.[/size] 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, [size=13pt]and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[/size] John 14:21-23 KJV

The question of Judas here, is what Atheist wants i.e God should make an open revelation of Himself but God said NO! only if you love Him then He will manifest Himself to you.

Do you love Jesus and has Jesus manifested Himself to you, or Him and His Father have made their abode with you?

But the only lie you can hold on today is that no matter experience you have it's from the devil. Whereas we have plenty people who have had personal encounter with Jesus Christ which is inline with the above scripture.

achorladey:
@DoctorAlien I was reading John 5: 1 through 17 and I feel you should explain best what transpired between Jesus, the Jews and the man healed all surrounding the word SABATTH. Then explain vividly what this means Matthew 12: 27,28.




Be mindful of these as well..................They took it upon themselves to decide just what “work” meant. They labeled as work 39 different activities, such as reaping or hunting. These categories gave rise to endless questions. If a man killed a flea on the Sabbath, was he hunting? If he plucked a handful of grain to eat as he walked along, was he reaping? If he healed someone who was ill, was he working? Such questions were addressed with rigid, detailed rules.

Good day friend.

"...I count not myself to have apprehended..."(Phil. 3:13). However, I'll explain to the best of my knowledge in consonance with the Scriptures.

Achorladey,

In Jn. 5:1-17, Jesus went to Jerusalem for a Jewish feast. He met an impotent man who had been by the pool for 38 years waiting and hoping for healing. Jesus, out of compassion, healed the man and relieved him of the heavy under which he was.

According to Pharisaic laws, it was not lawful for a person to carry his bed on the Sabbath day, as it was considered work. The Jews therefore began interrogating the man. The man, after finding out it was Jesus who healed him and instructed him to take up his bed and walk, went and told the Jews. They then began plotting Jesus' death, because He did those things on the Sabbath. Jesus then said to them "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

The Jews suggested that Jesus broke GOD's Sabbath and so sinned. However, Jesus lived a totally sinless life; He committed no sin. And sin is the transgression of GOD's law(1 Jn. 3:4).

While secular work was forbidden by GOD on the Sabbath, doing good and helping humanity was never forbidden on that day.