rexben:
the new covenant is never christianity.Christianity believes you have to be taught by a teacher or pastor or bishop or pope but jeremiah 31:34 no one will have to teach another to know the lord,for it shall be written in their heart. Jesus even said dont be called teachers for one is your teacher which is christ Matthew 23:8
ChristianIty make excuses for Jesus words by quoting the epistles to explain it.
The epistles and the gospels are contraditing,either you follow Jesus or follow Paul(false apostle).

What gibberish are you spewing for crying out loud! You can't agree with the gospels and disagree with the epistles! The Bible says "ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God.." not "the gospels is only given by the inspiration of God"!
I will advise you stop leading people to their damnation with your warped thought.
And take back that statement of Paul being a false apostle. You have God to answer to.

rexben:
According Jesus in John 3:16, He is the only begotten Son of God. Or was He lying?

How about this?

He also told His disciples that they are children of God too.

It means he is not the only son of God.

This also proves that as ou rightly quoted

Jesus replied, "Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17

There Are Other Begotten Sons Of God As Well. Psalm 2:7 Hebrews 1:5 To Mention A Few

rexben:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]You said i don't have prove. You too can't prove that the James mentioned was James son of Alpheaus.

After the persecution that arose in Acts 8, many disciples fled Jerusalem but the 12 Apostles, including James son of Alphaeus, remained there! This were the same people that came to consider the matter raised in Acts 15(except James son of Zebedee who had been killed by Herod)

And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judæa and Samaria, except the apostles
Acts 8:1

That you lack proof of your claims and base everything on false guesses bespeaks insincerity. I dont expect your reply to this; rather this is to prevent folks getting deceived.

cooltobex:


What gibberish are you spewing for crying out loud! You can't agree with the gospels and disagree with the epistles! The Bible says "ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God.." not "the gospels is only given by the inspiration of God"!
I will advise you stop leading people to their damnation with your warped thought.
And take back that statement of Paul being a false apostle. You have God to answer to.

2 Tim 3:16, Paul said all scriptures were given by the inspiration of God. Paul was referring to the Hebrew scriptures (old testament -laws and prophets) only.
As at the time Paul was writing this second letter to timothy,there was nothing called the protestants bible(66 books) nor catholic or Ethiopian bible. Paul was writing a letter to timothy,he never knew his letters will be canonized by the council of Nicaea. Pls do check my post SCRIPTURES ARE SIGNPOSTS TO GET MORE CLARITY.
As for Paul being a false apostle,i know it will be very difficult for you to believe because you have held him in high esteem. You can see him to be wrong. Jesus never called Paul an apostle,he is a self acclaimed apostle. Pls do check my post PAUL IS A FALSE APOSTLE BY EDGAR JONES

42 Jesus replied, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come from God and am now here. I have not come on my own initiative, but he sent me. 43 Why don't you understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot accept my teaching. 44 You people are from your father the devil, and you want to do what your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I am telling you the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Who among you can prove me guilty of any sin? If I am telling you the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 The one who belongs to God listens and responds to God's words. You don't listen and respond, because you don't belong to God."
John 8:42-47.
If you belong to God,then you won't have problem believing in Jesus because He is the son of God and He came to do His Father's will on earth. Continuing in His word and teachings in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only

1 "I tell you the solemn truth, the one who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs in some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2 The one who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens the door for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has brought all his own sheep out, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they recognize his voice. 5 They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice." 6 Jesus told them this parable, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. 11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand, who is not a shepherd and does not own sheep, sees the wolf coming and abandons the sheep and runs away. So the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them. 13 Because he is a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep, he runs away. 14 "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me - 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father - and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd. ] This is why the Father loves me - because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father."
John 10:1-18
His sheep will only follow Him(the shepherd). They won't follow a stranger,never. They are loyal and obedient to the end. The will follow His words,voice,teachings only as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.

Here's a book by N. T. Wright arguing for Jesus being the founder:

What Saint Paul Really Said: Was Paul of Tarsus the Real Founder of Christianity?

http://ebooks.mengxiangbook.com/search.php?req=What%20Saint%20Paul%20Really%20Said:%20Was%20Paul%20of%20Tarsus%20the%20Real%20Founder%20of%20Christianity?&nametype=orig

I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure it's probably good since wright is quite reliable.

BTW it's a pdf (195 pages) and is 10 MB

Richirich713:
Here's a book by N. T. Wright arguing for Jesus being the founder:

What Saint Paul Really Said: Was Paul of Tarsus the Real Founder of Christianity?

http://ebooks.mengxiangbook.com/search.php?req=What%20Saint%20Paul%20Really%20Said:%20Was%20Paul%20of%20Tarsus%20the%20Real%20Founder%20of%20Christianity?&nametype=orig

I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure it's probably good since wright is quite reliable.

BTW it's a pdf (195 pages) and is 10 MB

Jesus never left heaven to come to earth to come and establish another religion called CHRISTIANITY. Christianity was founded by Paul. At antioch,after Paul taught those believers for a year,then they came up a name for them. In summary,Paul's disciples are first called CHRISTIANS,they were not disciples of Jesus.

rexben:
[size=16pt]Jesus never left heaven to come to earth to come and establish another religion called CHRISTIANITY.[/size] Christianity was founded by Paul. At antioch,after Paul taught those believers for a year,then they came up a name for them. In summary,Paul's disciples are first called CHRISTIANS,they were not disciples of Jesus.

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What evidence does he have to substantiate this claim . I have a claim too ; Orangutans are reptiles

KingEbukasBlog:


What evidence does he have to substantiate this claim . I have a claim too ; Orangutans are reptiles

Jesus is my evidence, His teachings is what I relay here. I am not teaching my gospel,i am simply witnessing Jesus to the world. I am not asking anyone to learn from me,i am showing people that they are only to learn from Jesus only,not from anyone else. All I do is to show Jesus to people and also direct them back to the Jesus himself and His teachings as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only. If you won't mind, pls do check other post posted by rexben for clarity. ThanKs

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Hmmmm.... DEEP n INSIGHTFUL

rexben:
No. I am not religious wise. I dont do religion,i teach against it with passion because religion can not lead to God. Only Jesus can. For your information,i am not a christian,i am disciple of Jesus

I like ur conviction, who are u guys? Anyname?

mildflame:


I like ur conviction, who are u guys? Anyname?

there is no name,no congregation,no church, no pastor. As disciples of Jesus,we are to follow Jesus and His teachings only. According to Jesus, His disciples,sheep will only recognize His voice and will follow Him only. They will not follow any stranger like Paul and others. Jesus is their only shepherd(PASTOR). Pls do check my post. SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF DISCIPLES OF JESUS

rexben:
there is no name,no congregation,no church, no pastor. As disciples of Jesus,we are to follow Jesus and His teachings only. According to Jesus, His disciples,sheep will only recognize His voice and will follow Him only. They will not follow any stranger like Paul and others. Jesus is their only shepherd(PASTOR). Pls do check my post. SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF DISCIPLES OF JESUS

Bro u roam around 4converts or what? How do I get 2know ur guys? No venue, location or u simply exist alone?
Can't be going thru post, abeg

mildflame:



Hmmmm.... DEEP n IN SIGHT FUL

When its not written by DeepSight ?

KingEbukasBlog:

When its not written by DeepSight ?

Convince me

KingEbukasBlog:

When its not written by DeepSight ?

Convince me

mildflame:


Bro u roam around 4converts or what? How do I get 2know ur guys? No venue, location or u simply exist alone?
Can't be going thru post, abeg

it is not a group thing. For me,i follow and believe in Jesus only. He is my pastor. The Holy Spirit is my guide and teacher. All you need is to follow Jesus teachings as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only. Its an independent thing,you and the Holy Spirit. All i do with my post is to reveal Jesus,and i redirect them back to Jesus' teachings because Jesus said if you continue in my words,then you are my disciple. John 8:31.

rexben:
it is not a group thing. For me,i follow and believe in Jesus only. He is my pastor. The Holy Spirit is my guide and teacher. All you need is to follow Jesus teachings as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only. Its an independent thing,you and the Holy Spirit. All i do with my post is to reveal Jesus,and i redirect them back to Jesus' teachings because Jesus said if you continue in my words,then you are my disciple. John 8:31.

This one no easy O! No be bread n butter one bit

People in this thread may find this article interesting:

Discovering a Lost and Forgotten Early Christian ‘Gospel’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-d-tabor/discovering-a-lost-and-fo_b_5748292.html

The most remarkable thing about the Didache is that there is nothing in this document that corresponds to ­Paul’s “gospel” — no divinity of Jesus, no atoning through his body and blood, and no mention of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead. In the Didache Jesus is the one who has brought the knowledge of life and faith, but there is no emphasis whatsoever upon the figure of Jesus apart from his message. Sacrifice and forgiveness of sins in the Didache come through good deeds and a consecrated life (4.6).

The Didache is a precious witness to a form of the Christian faith more directly tied to the Jewish orientation of Jesus’ original followers. It reminds one of sections of the Community Rule (1QS) found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, which provides us with what is perhaps its best Jewish parallel. Along with the letter of James in the New Testament, the embedded source in Luke and Matthew that scholars call Q, and portions of the gospel of Thomas, the Didache preserves for us a glimpse into a more Jewish-oriented, “non-Pauline” version of the early Jesus movement.

Rexben, can you answer these:
1. We know Paul was a very committed judaiser/pharisee who was against the Church. What changed him to a member of the church?
2. If you say he was a false prophet, whose interest was he serving as such?
3. Why did the jews persecute Paul like they did to the disciples?
4. Since Luke wrote both Luke and Acts, what criteria did you use in selecting the one and rejecting the other?
5. Since John wrote John, Revelations and 1,2&3 John, by what criteria do you choose one and reject the other?
6. Jesus said the Spirit will teach and reveal those things which He did not say then. The audience that were with Him and those that were used recorded theirs in the Epistles. What has been revealed to you by the Spirit (not recorded in the gospels since Jesus did not say it then)?

If you have answered b4, quote it.

Scholar8200:
Rexben, can you answer these:
1. We know Paul was a very committed judaiser/pharisee who was against the Church. What changed him to a member of the church?
2. If you say he was a false prophet, whose interest was he serving as such?
3. Why did the jews persecute Paul like they did to the disciples?
4. Since Luke wrote both Luke and Acts, what criteria did you use in selecting the one and rejecting the other?
5. Since John wrote John, Revelations and 1,2&3 John, by what criteria do you choose one and reject the other?
6. Jesus said the Spirit will teach and reveal those things which He did not say then. The audience that were with Him and those that were used recorded theirs in the Epistles. What has been revealed to you by the Spirit (not recorded in the gospels since Jesus did not say it then)?

If you have answered b4, quote it.

I promised not to answer any of your questions again but for the sake of other readers. I know you aren't ready to accept the truth. Not everyone will accept the truth because the people of this world are different from Jesus disciples( they are not of this world).
He said to them, "Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given.
Matt 19:11
I have answered all questions before. While you were reading my posts and quotes,you weren't reading to understand but you were actually reading to ask questions or correct everything.
Paul has turned innocent people from Jesus. Paul changed all what Jesus taught. Paul's epistles are excuses to disobeying Jesus words,like the Pharisees teachings were excuses to disobeying God's commandments as delivered by Moses. No wonder,he is a Pharisee,he never stopped being a Pharisee because he claimed to be one. In order for Paul to secure or protect his false teachings,he cursed anybody that brings any other teachings aside from his teachings. He was referring to Jesus original apostle,no wonder he rubbished Peter's reputation in front of the Galatians. He actually accused Peter of what He is also guilty of.
He accused Peter of eating with the gentiles,when Peter saw the Jews he separated himself from the gentiles. The same Paul said i became all things for all men. To the jew i became a jew,to weak i became weak[it also implies , to the thief i became as a thief]. He was not accepted by the apostle in Jerusalem. Paul said to others i am not an apostle but to you i am(he was referring to Peter and others).
Paul was a false apostle,he wasn't serving Jesus interest at all. According to Jesus,He was serving his father's interest,the devil. He perverted Jesus's teachings.
Did you know why you and others prefer Paul's teachings to Jesus's teachings?
Paul's teachings appeals to men. Paul savour the things of men not of God. Grace,something Jesus never taught. According to Jesus teachings,nobody is saved by grace.
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.
Matt 24:13.
24 "Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!"
Matt 7:24-27
1 "I am the true vine and my Father is the gardener. 2 He takes away every branch that does not bear fruit in me. He prunes every branch that bears fruit so that it will bear more fruit.
John 15:1-2.
I told you earlier that i believe in the book Luke not because of the integrity of Luke but because it records the words and teachings of Jesus nothing more nothing less. Same goes to John also. Jesus never asked anybody to follow His disciples teachings or words. He even strictly instructed His disciples to teach people to obey all His commands only. Looking through the gospels,their sole aim is to reveal Jesus' teachings.
As we have seen, the purposes of the book of Acts(the writer was a close companion of Paul) is to minimize the conflict between Paul and the leaders of the Jerusalem Church, James and Peter. Peter and Paul, in later Christian tradition, became twin saints, brothers in faith, and the idea that they were historically bitter opponents standing for irreconcilable religious standpoints would have been repudiated with horror. The work of the author of Acts was well done; he rescued Christianity from the imputation of being the individual creation of Paul, and instead gave it a respectable pedigree, as a doctrine with the authority of the so-called Jerusalem Church, conceived as continuous in spirit with the Pauline Gentile Church of Rome. Yet, for all his efforts, the truth of the matter is not hard to recover, if we examine the New Testament evidence with an eye to tell-tale inconsistencies and confusions, rather than with the determination to gloss over and harmonize all difficulties in the interests of an orthodox interpretation."
Before Jesus went back to His father,He promised the Holy Spirit,the Spirit of truth. He is to reveal and teach us,He is to take from Jesus and give unto us. The Holy is meant to reveal not His disciples. He asked us not to follow anyone else apart from Him. I repeat this for clarity sake.Jesus never asked anybody to follow His disciples teachings or words. He even strictly instructed His disciples to teach people to obey all His commands only.

mildflame:


This one no easy O! No be bread n butter one bit

Holy Spirit is always there for His own.

I believe it is the parent of a child that name a child not outsiders,not even those that hate you or don't even know you. So if God is your father,you will stick with the name He named you with. Surprisingly,God did not give a specified name for His children in this world. He used many name to describe them,He sometimes called them friends,disciples,sheep,branches etc. So,if God never gave any of His children name,why do accept the name from outsiders. The name in question here is CHRISTIANS,a name given by pagan worshippers.

The Discipleship of YAHSHUA involves worship of God.

. JOHN 4:19-24.

19. The woman saith unto him,
"Sir, I perceive that thou art a Prophet.
20. "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say,
'That in Jerusalem is the place
where men ought to worship.'
21. Jesus saith unto her,
"Woman, believe me, the Hour cometh,
when ye shall neither in this mountain,
nor yet at Jerusalem, worship The Father.
22. "Ye worship ye know not what:
we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews.
23. "But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the True Worshippers
shall worship The Father in spirit and in Truth:
for The Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. "God is a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in Truth."

THIS IS RELIGION.

You do NOT get to stigmatize the term "RELIGION," in order to brag about how much better you are than False Christianity.

. ACTS 11:26.

26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the Church,
and taught much people. And the Disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

What people call Disciples of Yahshua, and what the Disciples of The Son of Yahweh God call themselves is irrelevant.

. LUKE 10:17-24.

17. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying,
"Lord, even the Devils are subject unto us through thy Name."
18. And he said unto them,
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice, because your Names are written in Heaven."
21. In that Hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said,
"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and Who the Father is, but the Son,
and he to whom the Son will reveal him."
23. And he turned him unto his Disciples, and said privately,
"Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' “

It is what YAHWEH GOD calls them that is important.

All you are doing is SOWING DISCORD.

oaroloye:
The Discipleship of YAHSHUA involves worship of God.

. JOHN 4:19-24.

19. The woman saith unto him,
"Sir, I perceive that thou art a Prophet.
20. "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say,
'That in Jerusalem is the place
where men ought to worship.'
21. Jesus saith unto her,
"Woman, believe me, the Hour cometh,
when ye shall neither in this mountain,
nor yet at Jerusalem, worship The Father.
22. "Ye worship ye know not what:
we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews.
23. "But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the True Worshippers
shall worship The Father in spirit and in Truth:
for The Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. "God is a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in Truth."

THIS IS RELIGION.

You do NOT get to stigmatize the term "RELIGION," in order to brag about how much better you are than False Christianity.

. ACTS 11:26.

26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the Church,
and taught much people. And the Disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

What people call Disciples of Yahshua, and what the Disciples of The Son of Yahweh God call themselves is irrelevant.

. LUKE 10:17-24.

17. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying,
"Lord, even the Devils are subject unto us through thy Name."
18. And he said unto them,
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice, because your Names are written in Heaven."
21. In that Hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said,
"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and Who the Father is, but the Son,
and he to whom the Son will reveal him."
23. And he turned him unto his Disciples, and said privately,
"Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' “

It is what YAHWEH GOD calls them that is important.

All you are doing is SOWING DISCORD.

why will you say a name is irrelevant,when you give birth pls do name your child Lucifer or when you give birth let your child bear the name your enemies named him/her(the world hates Jesus).
Mind you,I am not sowing any discord. I am just saying the truth from Jesus viewpoint. I reaffirm that it is only the parents that name a child,you're the child of whoever named you.

rexben:
I have searched throughout matthew,mark,luke and John i haven't and yet to see where Jesus commissioned christianity. Christianity was founded by paul. Have you not asked yourself this question why are pastors always preaching and backing up their doctrines with the epistles and rarely the gospel. The answer is that the EPISTLES is the alternative to the GOSPELS(Matthew,mark,luke,john). All religions are institutions of men(man made). No religion is divine or from God. Paul brought Christianity,Mohammed brought Islam,Jews brought Judaism etc. Come out of religion and follow Jesus. Religion can not save you,it can not take you anywhere. Follow Jesus because He is the only way to God. John 8:31-32,Jesus said if you continue in my words,then you are my disciples. And you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. In order to get eternal life,you have to God through Jesus and not through religion.
Going through Acts 11:25-26 I found something. It was the disciples of Paul that were called Christians. Disciples are students. They were students of Paul because they have been taught by Paul for a year. There is a vast different between the disciples of Jesus and disciples of Paul. They both held the teachings of their teachers high above every other things. I am a disciple of Jesus

I promised myself never to argue any christian issue again, but I being mentioned here drew my curiosity.

I was thinking you had a point, only that you were a little confused in your point, but my eyes popped wide open when I read your signature, and now I know that you're really deluded.

You see. We should be careful in our meditations. We read the scriptures and start meditating and we come up with all sorts of beliefs and opinion and we think that's a brainchild, just as Seun thought that "they should start speaking up as atheists."

Perhaps just a moment of meditation brought that idea of atheism to him and since then he has stucked to it thinking that's a brainchild or something.

Coming back to you rexden, always try amap (as much as possible) to scruntinize ur meditations. Always ask God for the right theoriies, dont come up witha theory and u become deaf to God's voice yelling at you to cease from it.

First, to what end will this theory go?
You are a christian. You believe on Jesus. You believe you must be borna again to get to heaven, then what's your problem again.
Must u let the devil destroy ur hope eternal bliss simply because u got an idea u thought was right?

Why fight against the Bible you're reading?

This is why many people make a mess of Christianity.

This is why other religions mock us to scorn.

We are so dividedly foolish.
We are so ignorantly wise.
We think we know it and wouldnt bend and let God teach us.

Now just take a look at how ur signature clearly shows ur confusion and how u will go ahead to delude weak Christians:

"If you continue in my words then you are my disciple. And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free John 8:31-32. to be free you have to believe and continue in Jesus words as is in the gospels only I.e Matthew, Mark, Luke and John"

Just imagine the bolded part of ur claim.
So u are now a force to reckon with and u want the whole world to forsake the rest of the Bible and start reading only the gospels?

To you, all the Pastors we have: Kumuyi, Adeboye, Ayo, Selman, Oyedepo are all foolish?

So u mean to tell me that God would be so stupid to allow mankind to continue in error without anyone having dis ur so-called truth right from the time of Luther till now?

So all the reformers, the revivalists, and all other great men who have lived this earth like gods are all wrong?

Why are u doing dis to urself?

Who are you to tell the world what to worship or what portion of the scriptures to read.

Please be very careful.
So that you wouldn't look back into time and wish u never had such a devastating meditation.

Not everything is a plaything.

As much as religion has done a mess to Christianity, that doesn't giv us a right, I repeat that doesn't giv us a right to open our mouth wide and start spewing gibberish all in the name of:

"I searched", "I discovered".

Revelation 22:19 - "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I pray you wouldn't fall prey to the judgement of those that discard some part of the Bible and select other parts in preference to others. Amen.

It's simple. Lets just hold on to this truth we heard from the beginning.

Lets not derail. It wont be long Christ will come.
Lets not deviate at the last minute and God will see us through.

Be careful how you meditate.

Mescopaul:


I promised myself never to argue any christian issue again, but I being mentioned here drew my curiosity.

I was thinking you had a point, only that you were a little confused in your point, but my eyes popped wide open when I read your signature, and now I know that you're really deluded.

You see. We should be careful in our meditations. We read the scriptures and start meditating and we come up with all sorts of beliefs and opinion and we think that's a brainchild, just as Seun thought that "they should start speaking up as atheists."

Perhaps just a moment of meditation brought that idea of atheism to him and since then he has stucked to it thinking that's a brainchild or something.

Coming back to you rexden, always try amap (as much as possible) to scruntinize ur meditations. Always ask God for the right theoriies, dont come up witha theory and u become deaf to God's voice yelling at you to cease from it.

First, to what end will this theory go?
You are a christian. You believe on Jesus. You believe you must be borna again to get to heaven, then what's your problem again.
Must u let the devil destroy ur hope eternal bliss simply because u got an idea u thought was right?

Why fight against the Bible you're reading?

This is why many people make a mess of Christianity.

This is why other religions mock us to scorn.

We are so dividedly foolish.
We are so ignorantly wise.
We think we know it and wouldnt bend and let God teach us.

Now just take a look at how ur signature clearly shows ur confusion and how u will go ahead to delude weak Christians:

"If you continue in my words then you are my disciple. And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free John 8:31-32. to be free you have to believe and continue in Jesus words as is in the gospels only I.e Matthew, Mark, Luke and John"

Just imagine the bolded part of ur claim.
So u are now a force to reckon with and u want the whole world to forsake the rest of the Bible and start reading only the gospels?

To you, all the Pastors we have: Kumuyi, Adeboye, Ayo, Selman, Oyedepo are all foolish?

So u mean to tell me that God would be so stupid to allow mankind to continue in error without anyone having dis ur so-called truth right from the time of Luther till now?

So all the reformers, the revivalists, and all other great men who have lived this earth like gods are all wrong?

Why are u doing dis to urself?

Who are you to tell the world what to worship or what portion of the scriptures to read.

Please be very careful.
So that you wouldn't look back into time and wish u never had such a devastating meditation.

Not everything is a plaything.

As much as religion has done a mess to Christianity, that doesn't giv us a right, I repeat that doesn't giv us a right to open our mouth wide and start spewing gibberish all in the name of:

"I searched", "I discovered".

Revelation 22:19 - "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

I pray you wouldn't fall prey to the judgement of those that discard some part of the Bible and select other parts in preference to others. Amen.

It's simple. Lets just hold on to this truth we heard from the beginning.

Lets not derail. It wont be long Christ will come.
Lets not deviate at the last minute and God will see us through.

Be careful how you meditate.

First off, I appreciate your comment. For your information, I'm not a Christian. The writings of Jesus' words are in the bible does not make the bible the word of God.
The verse you quoted in Revelations was only referring to the bible but to book of Revelations only.
Christianity was created by the man called Paul to prevent people from following Jesus. The words of Jesus is not the bible. A generally accepted lie does not make truth
I pray your eyes were open to see Christianity as it is. Jesus and Christianity are two different things. If you love Jesus as you claim, you believe His words without giving excuses.
Pls do check my post on "some of the beliefs of the disciples of Jesus".
After checking the post, lets talk about it

Nice try Op.

Even if I am 5years I will still say "nice try" to you.

rexben:
there is no name,no congregation,no church, no pastor. As disciples of Jesus,we are to follow Jesus and His teachings only. According to Jesus, His disciples,sheep will only recognize His voice and will follow Him only. They will not follow any stranger like Paul and others. Jesus is their only shepherd(PASTOR). Pls do check my post. SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF DISCIPLES OF JESUS

1) How did you know that Jesus actually existed?

2) How did you get the bible with which you found these words of Jesus you talk about? It fell from heaven and rested on your reading table. No?

rexben:
first of all i am not a christian,i am a disciple of Jesus. From what you are saying the church is a socio-religious institution right. If you say that,you are 100% correct because that is what the church represents

Of all I have heard and read you are the first to explain it correctly.