elampiro:


Without RVP we would have won the title much easier. Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito gave us 89 points the previous season and superior goals difference. Welbeck and Chicharito were a year wiser in 2012/2013 and we could have finished the job much easier even with over 90 points, and particularly as City took legs off the gas in the second half of the season having to contend with in fighting between Macini and Baloteli, etc.

RVP actually came to change the pattern of our attacking play which is what we suffer today. From counter attacking style with everyone running like bees towards opposition box, we had an hyena who sat in the box. RVP and Kagawa were a mistake, and we suffered such players as Nani, Anderson, Rooney, Welbeck, Young , Valencia in the process because they were not used to such process of playing technically towards a target man in the box.

Rooney never sat on the bench in league matches that season. He only sat on the bench against Madrid, after which he was back. The other matches he missed after we already rounded up the league, he took permission to attend to family problems. Just two matches in May.

parrotibaba:
As far back as you knew him when? As far back as you knew him can be 2012 or 2014

Diademk07:


Why didn't we win the league in the previous season then?

The funny thing is we looked lethargy and sluggish with little creativity while Rvp consistently bailed us out on many occasion that season. The title was all on Rvp and Carrick that season.

And I never said Rooney was always on the bench. I said he was fighting everyone and looked rubbish because he got benched by fergie.

elampiro:


I watched 2006 world cup. I am sure I saw all Italy's games, particularly from the knockout. That was a poor team but there were some players who made that team going. From the semi final when they were paired against the host, Italy became my favorite. I didn't like it Germany beat Argentina and I wasn't a supporter of France.

But my real focus on him was in recent years, I can't know from when exactly. May be 2010 world cup.

parrotibaba:


This is you telling the world that Pogba was an attacking midfielder in Juventus whereas with the exception of his last season, he was a box to box, this I made clear to you before you started singing the midfield three anthem...

“People compare us but, where I would win more tackles, Paul is more technically gifted than I ever was, and far more at ease on the ball,” said the former World Cup winner. “I’d busy myself with defensive duties, but he is only looking to charge forward. He can be one of the best in the world.” With that billing comes the pressure.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/03/france-paul-pogba-brazil-world-cup-germany

Pogba has shown his potential playing for both France and Juventus. He has all the trappings of a great attacking midfielder and possesses a powerful shot that makes him a threat from medium and long range.
http://www.marca.com/2013/03/24/en/football/international_football/1364149100.html

parrotibaba:

You can't use tactical and positional indiscipline as the basis for terming Pogba a luxury player when he doesn't lack any of those. He has played in various positions throughout his career and has followed the instructions of coaches to the later so I can't for the life of me get the "he's a luxury player" angle of your argument since you have incorrectly used the term in this situation. Clearly with the bolded, you have a personal problem with the player, whatever that is, I have no fricking clue.

“He’s very talented but if he lowers the concentration levels then he can make technical errors. This is part of his growth process and he should stop showboating in midfield .”
www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/04/juventus-paul-pogba-champions-league-final

The Frenchman floated all over, at times popping up on the left wing, at times running beyond the Watford defence, at times popping up on the right wing and sometimes heading towards the byline. It left Fellaini terribly exposed before and United were far too easy to probe on the counter-attack.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3795206/Paul-Pogba-Manchester-United-adapt-thrive-display-highlight-reel-moments-fails-mask-tactical-ill-discipline

Deschamps, however, switched to a 4-2-3-1 system midway through the tournament to accommodate Antoine Griezmann in his favoured central position, forcing Pogba into a deeper role alongside Blaise Matuidi. That compromised his style considerably: neither he nor Matuidi is a natural defensive midfielder, with both defined more by their attacking power than their positional discipline. In that role Pogba looked highly uncomfortable, his limitations in possession exposed. He was unable to play penetrative passes from deep positions; with Juventus he had never had this responsibility.

www.theguardian.com/football/2016/aug/09/paul-pogba-jose-mourinho-manchester-united-4-2-3-1

'He's not there to make the crowd rise every time he touches the ball. I've told him that sometimes he needs to play in a neutral way. He's a midfielder, not a No 10.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3635158/France-star-Paul-Pogba-told-rein-attacking-instincts-manager-Didier-Deschamps-s-midfielder-not-No-10.html

parrotibaba:

On the contrary, I made a reference to your original post about his salary...

In which I answered you with the "what does the salary have to do with the player?" which I ended with the agent and the club negotiates the players contract that brought about the last piece of our argument. I will get to that soon. Now @ the bold, especially towards the end, you made it seem like Pogba asked for his huge salary and if not given, he won't have come.

Since according to you, I have deflected the huge transfer price on his head, what about his salary then? Abi na Juventus still increase his salary, this you said. And this brought up the agent negotiations.

Nobody is talking about player/agent relationship here, the player cannot negotiate his salary with the club rather the agent is responsible for that, this I have been saying since the onset of this argument. The player of course will have a say in the matter but the contract negotiations are ultimately done by the club and the agent. EOD!.

elampiro:


We didn't win the league in 2011/2012 for some reasons:

1. City needed it desperately. They needed to fight to the last to prove a point for once

4. SAF'S decision to rest Scholes in Newcastle when we went 8 points clear in previous games. Earlier in the season in January, SAF punished Rooney against Blackburn by dropping him from the team. The fear factor was gone and Blackburn capitalised. In those two matches, these players should have at least been on the bench

At the end, it was on goals difference we lost it after Aguero's injury time winner on the final day.

“People compare us but, where I would win more tackles, Paul is more technically gifted than I ever was, and far more at ease on the ball,” said the former World Cup winner. “I’d busy myself with defensive duties, but he is only looking to charge forward. He can be one of the best in the world.”

“Everyone jumps on the bandwagon when Paul Pogba isn’t quite at his best because of his £89m price tag.

“He’s not Lionel Messi, he isn’t going to go around four or five players, but what he will do is run games for Manchester United.
“Don’t forget, Pogba didn’t have a pre-season and it was understandable he fell a little flat after the adrenaline rush of his debut.
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“As his touch map against Leicester shows, however, he dominated midfield and he also recorded some of his best stats in a United shirt.”

"We can look at his stats but the one I like is 11.2km run from a guy who has been in training only for a week. What I got from talking to him was he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait to go out there. I think that's why Mourinho didn't sub him, he was enjoying it. Tonight I thought he was brilliant. I thought he had a man of the match performance - although obviously Zlatan got it by scoring two goals.
"He was everywhere. I love the fact he started to control the tempo of the game. When he had to play long, he played long. When he had to drive, he did it. He was outstanding, for me."

"There would have been a lot of people tuning in today wondering what all the fuss was about with this guy. The dances, the dabs, the Instagram posts… But he showed he's the real deal today. His overall performance - after a week's training - was incredible. I was so impressed with his all-round game.
"Jose Mourinho mentioned how much of the ball he touched and his influence. He covered every blade of grass. Certainly on the left hand side, that's an area he liked to play. It was like men against boys in that midfield. When he gets fit and gets to that next level you can see goals, assists, and him dominating games. In terms of his first game, I'm very impressed."

“Just after a few training sessions, we saw how good he was.
“It cannot have been the same player they saw in Manchester – we thought they maybe needed glasses!”
“I have never seen a player who is so good at his age,” he continued.
“He is so strong, so technically gifted, has exceptional all-round play.
“Pogba can do things only Pogba can, similar to Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. United let one of the top players in the world leave but that has only been good news for us.”

"He [Raiola] and I were like oil and water," he writes in the book. "From then on our goose was cooked because Raiola had been able to ingratiate himself with Paul and his family and the player signed with Juventus."

weedtaker:
warris de meaning of dis mr PAWA?

but we didn't loose the title cause of those games, we lost the title after failing to beat wigan everton and man city so ur claims are false.

imagine! so after the 89scored goals we still lost the title on goal difference, meaning unlike RVP nd co those goals scored by rooney and co were not sufficient enough to give us the required points we need in beating city to the title,

elampiro:
^^^

In 2011/2012 we won 28 drew 5 lost 5

In 2012/2013 we won 28 drew 5 lost 5


We did better in scoring the previous season. If we had continued that way, with Welbeck having his second real season at senior level, Rooney +Welbeck + Chicharito would have given us 100 goals plus. But we changed pattern, that is that we suffer today.

elampiro:


You don't know what you are saying. We scored more goals without RVP.

2011/2012 points 89, GF 89, GA 33, GD +56

2012/2013 points 89, GF 86, GA 43, GD +43

You can see we did better without RVP. We scored more without him and had a better goals difference. City were just poor in 2012/2013 and we were lucky with injuries.

You no know ball.

Diademk07:


LOL!

The point you keep forgetting is that we already wrapped up the title early. I remembered the 3-3 draw against Westbrom for example after we had already won the title!

With Rvp, we wrapped up our title chase early but with Rooney in the previous season, we looked clueless, more or less like a clown in every fucking match.

parrotibaba:
@adisaowala it is laughable that you think "charging forward is the same as being an attacking midfielder. Make we really assess that Viera comment

Oga Viera don accord Pogba his due praise and to the bolded, he simply meant that while he was more interested in defending than attack, Pogba will already be looking to charge forward with the ball which is obviously his style of play.

parrotibaba:

See we are now choosing the matches that suits our arguments, here's what Jamie Redknap said about Pogba against Leicester.





Against soton


Thierry Henry





Jamie Redknap





This is buffon




So much for a luxury player whose only ability is to dab.

parrotibaba:

To the agent/contract negotiations. Again and again, the agent is responsible for negotiating a contract with the club and not the player. The club deals with the agents who can make life difficult for the club if they choose to. Again the player have a say in proceedings but ultimately the thrashing of the deal is between the agents and the club.

parrotibaba:

This is an extract from Sir Alex Ferguson's Autobiography concerning the reason Pogba left United in the first place.

This clearly stated that SAF dealt with Raiola and not with Pogba during the attempt to extend his contract.

The modern agent often acts with parental concern for young footballers, many of whom have come from difficult backgrounds or quit the education system early, leaving them with few of the life skills required to deal with the unbelievable amounts of money thrown at them. With a footballer’s career rarely lasting more than 15 years, a good agent will help a player to plan a successful career path, manage their finances, avoid the usual vices such as gambling and alcohol, and cultivate an image that is appealing to commercial brands.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/10231273/The-truth-about-football-agents.html

weedtaker:
all dis epistles no de bother me, all i know be say come may-2017 na we get EPL.

parrotibaba:
Abeg adisaowala I no wan mk Pogba come be wahala between us, ultimately everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Good night!

Oasis007:


Can someone identify the Kid in the below Picture?!
He was a Captain at a tender age - meaning he's talented since childhood!

Diademk07:


Why didn't we win the league in the previous season then?

The funny thing is we looked lethargy and sluggish with little creativity while Rvp consistently bailed us out on many occasion that season. The title was all on Rvp and Carrick that season.

And I never said Rooney was always on the bench. I said he was fighting everyone and looked rubbish because he got benched by fergie.

Oasis007:


Can someone identify the Kid in the below Picture?!
He was a Captain at tender age - meaning he's talented since childhood!

AdisaOwala:


Your attempts to score invaluable points are laughable to say the least....

Before last season, Pogba's attacking instincts were already highlighted...

This is from the Viera you compared him with...





i'm still at a loss as to why you have decided to clutch at straws though....





This was from his former manager, Allegri....



After our loss to Watford......



During the Euros.....



During the same Euros, His Frustrated manager at the NT had this to say....



These are obvious facts that many wouldnt deny but ofcourse, your unflinching love for your darling Dabman Supercedes the truth




Pogba didnt sign a contract that was unfavourable to him - his agent (as an employee of his) only solicited on his behalf - it is within the player's Jurisdiction to accept or refuse what his employee (his agent) comes up with and he also has every right to dispense with his services if he feels that the agent isnt competent enough abi how is this obvious fact an issue again?

The player doesnt only have a say - he has the ultimate say!

i cant even believe that this is up for debate.

P.S - This is the heatmap of "tactically/positionally disciplined" Pogba vs Watford

Oasis007:


Why no one is talking about other giant Clubs across the Europe that either threw away 2 Points or all the 3 points?!

Why is everyone so concerned about United?!

elrony:


It's Ander...Same face,that guy no dey old ni?

Oasis007:


Why no one is talking about other giant Clubs across the Europe that either threw away 2 Points or all the 3 points?!

Why is everyone so concerned about United?!

weedtaker:
ander herrera gets first spain call up.


at least something wey our under_de_canopy pundit no see, Spain manager don see am.