Anas09:

Pls i need in clear details how shaytan plans his war agaisnt muslims.

Yes, you need it. But I am not your servant. Pls go and look for teachers. I am not here for you.

Anas09:

Lemme ask u diz. This pleasures, it seems to sound like only those who kill and die in the course of allah (Jihad) are entitled to the pleasures in paradise, (i could be wrong). But, what about the so called moderate muslims who do not kill for allah, are they also entitled to this pleasures?

You are anticipating this pleasures, how many people have you killed for allah?

That is total nonsense, and you are indeed, very much wrong. There is nothing like a 'moderate' Muslim and a 'non moderate' Muslim. Islam is a moderate way in its entirety. There are only those who follow its percepts correctly, and those who follow their desires, then find a way to connect it to Islam. For those who submit truly to Allah, in substance and in form, there is Paradise. For those who do otherwise, whether opposing it in substance, or opposing it in form, or both, punishment. The severity and length of the punishment depending on the gravity of the act of disobedience.

That is all.

Anas09:

Going by your assertion, it therefore means Allah is not Yahweh?

There is only one God. The One God of the Hebrews is the same as that of the Muslims... ask any Jew. They have however, erred in making Him their personal Deity, and becoming overconfident of His Vast Mercy and Forgiveness. For this reason, they have engaged in antropomorphism, making God to have the emotions and characteristics of man, 'shouting as a drunkard', ' wrestling with his servants (and losing), feeling jealous (of whom? He is God), working and resting etc. We know that this is the same God, but they have gone too far in these descriptions. The Christian God on the other hand, has more in common with Mithras, Orisis, Bacchus and other triumvirate gods conceived and celebrated by the early pagans in Rome, from whence Christianity finds its roots. Even the religious festivals celebrated in honour of these 'gods' has been taken over by Christianity, so we find no affinity there, nor do those who worship Yahweh. Till today, no self-respecting Jew will accept Jesus (ﷺ) as being a third of Yahweh. It is totally absurd in their opinion. Ask any of them. They have had nothing but contempt for the Christian doctrine for centuries.

I advise that you read some books on Christianity by Dr Bart Ehrmann (a qualified biblical expert and doctor of divinity).

Farmerforlife:


There is only one God. The One God of the Hebrews is the same as that of the Muslims... ask any Jew. They have however, erred in making Him their personal Deity, and becoming overconfident of His Vast Mercy and Forgiveness. For this reason, they have engaged in antropomorphism, making God to have the emotions and characteristics of man, 'shouting as a drunkard', ' wrestling with his servants (and losing), feeling jealous (of whom? He is God), working and resting etc. We know that this is the same God, but they have gone too far in these descriptions. The Christian God on the other hand, has more in common with Mithras, Orisis, Bacchus and other triumvirate gods conceived and celebrated by the early pagans in Rome, from whence Christianity finds its roots. Even the religious festivals celebrated in honour of these 'gods' has been taken over by Christianity, so we find no affinity there, nor do those who worship Yahweh. Till today, no self-respecting Jew will accept Jesus (ﷺ) as being a third of Yahweh. It is totally absurd in their opinion. Ask any of them. They have had nothing but contempt for the Christian doctrine for centuries.

I advise that you read some books on Christianity by Dr Bart Ehrmann (a qualified biblical expert and doctor of divinity).

Jazakallahu khairan for your patience in explaining to them. But I strongly advise you ignore the anas guy. He doesn't really care about your replies. He just wants the opportunity to engage a Muslim and throw insults around.

udatso:

To answer your question yes. InshaAllah I look forward to all the pleasures of paradise as stated in the Quran and authentic hadith.
I have a question for you. What is an ideal paradise to you? I mean how should life in paradise look like.

Stevebamdex
You can't run away from your own thread. Answer the question you have been asked.

4everGod1:



hahahaha hilarious. Those Jinns eh must be on steroids.

how about there fear about dogs especially black ones... it makes them unclean... and it hinders there prayers.... and it scares there angels away.

ask Muhammad he started the comedy show.

Farmerforlife:


Of course I am. I am zealous to enjoy all the bounties provided by my Lord. Remember that we are there for ever.

Eleyi gidi gan ( I hope you understand)

Farmerforlife:


There is only one God. The One God of the Hebrews is the same as that of the Muslims... ask any Jew. They have however, erred in making Him their personal Deity, and becoming overconfident of His Vast Mercy and Forgiveness. For this reason, they have engaged in antropomorphism, making God to have the emotions and characteristics of man, 'shouting as a drunkard', ' wrestling with his servants (and losing), feeling jealous (of whom? He is God), working and resting etc. We know that this is the same God, but they have gone too far in these descriptions. The Christian God on the other hand, has more in common with Mithras, Orisis, Bacchus and other triumvirate gods conceived and celebrated by the early pagans in Rome, from whence Christianity finds its roots. Even the religious festivals celebrated in honour of these 'gods' has been taken over by Christianity, so we find no affinity there, nor do those who worship Yahweh. Till today, no self-respecting Jew will accept Jesus (ﷺ) as being a third of Yahweh. It is totally absurd in their opinion. Ask any of them. They have had nothing but contempt for the Christian doctrine for centuries.

I advise that you read some books on Christianity by Dr Bart Ehrmann (a qualified biblical expert and doctor of divinity).

You mean Dr Bart Ehrmann is more of an authority in this matter than the Holy Bible?

Guy, you know you cant accept that Yahweh is not allah? If you do that, you'd admitting that allah is an elementary god, which indeed he is.

How you know that these two deities are distinct is in their M.Os. One can't agree in something, while the other rejects that thing vehemently, yet you call them one.
Take this for instance.
The Angel which from old delivered the news that Jesus would be born, was the same Angel Gabriel who gave Jesus's parents his name and called him the son of God.

Yahweh Himself, Openly Called Jesus Christ his son to the hearing of people.


Then 600 Years later, the same Angel Gabriel appears to a man in the Arabian Peninsula and told him to forget and regard everything he had previously told the Jews about Jesus being the son of God, that now he was changing his mind, Jesus is indeed not the Son of God, but a slave of allah?

Does this make sense to you? Or it will make sense to you because you just can't allow yourself to think?

Even if i wasnt a Christian, i will question this absurdity.
One of them is lying and i think you know who is.

Stevebamdex:
Oh, yes. Well, Muslim Paradise is described in the Quran in very plain words. And in surat Mouhammed, surat number 47, verse 15, and I am reading from the Quran, so anyone who is watching could go back to the Quran and make sure that I have said that, the description of Paradise which have been promised, it said in it are rivers of water that taste and smell of which are not changed. Rivers of milk, of which the taste never changes. Rivers of wine, delicious to those who drink. And rivers of clarified honey. There are in for them in every kind of fruit, and forgiveness from their lord. So in the Muslim Paradise you'll find rivers of waters, rivers of milk, and rivers of wine. The most interesting thing, that the Quran forbids drinking alcohol. It's forbidden in any Islamic society to drink alcohol. No whiskey, no wine permitted. But in Paradise it will not be bottles, it will be rivers. You drink, and you drink, and you drink, and you drink. One time I asked a Muslim friend, "How come?" The Quran says that wine is forbidden. If it's forbidden here, why it should be permitted there? He said, "For Allah to compensate us for what we did not do during our life on Earth."
Then you go to surat Al Tor, this is surat number 52. And beginning of verse 17, another description of the Paradise of the Muslims. "Verily, the pious (righteous people, good people, good Muslims) will be in gardens (Paradise means garden, you see), and the delight, enjoying in that which their lord has bestowed on them. And their lord saved them from the torment of the blazing fire, eat (Allah is telling to the Muslims) and drink with happiness because of what you used to do." Salvation here is by works, not by faith, or not by grace. "They would recline on beds, arranged in ranks, and we shall marry them to fair women with wide, lovely eyes." Oh, how many?
If you go to the Hadis, it is said it is between 70 and 100 women for each man. Is that the eternal life we are looking to? Is that what we want to enjoy in the after life? Women with lovely, wide eyes? 70? 100? One of the writers in Egypt wrote an article, one day, and he said, "Listen, if any Muslim will marry 70 or 100 women in heaven, in Paradise I mean, I am sorry, then he will be occupied from morning to evening to them. He will not have time to think about spiritual things, about God, about anything. Women around him..." And then he said, in a mocking way, "One woman is enough to this terrible life? You want hundred of them?" But this is the Muslim anticipating. When they die, they want milk, pure water, they don't have pure water, plenty of pure water; they have gas in Saudi Arabia, but not pure water, not easy, you see, milk, wine, and pure water. Women with wide, lovely eyes, and that is all of it.
And the most important thing is that man will sleep with these 70 or 100 women each day, and the next day they will turn to be virgins again. How come? This is what they say, that they will be virgins again, and again, and again. What kind of imagination is that, and what kind of paradise is that? And the question I ask is, "Well, all right. Men, you will enjoy 70 women. What about women? How many men they enjoy? Or is paradise for men only?? So, when you go and read the Quran, you will find out that the paradise of Islam is a sensual paradise. It is not a spiritual paradise..
So I am curiously asking this question from the muslims,are you hoping to have 72virgins,river of milk/honey and wine for yourself in allah's heaven?

Are you hoping for an eternity of singing Christian music, no eating, sex, whatever,just singing Christian music, yuck,............yours is more boring but basically it is the same thing, hoping for the impossible
Just face the fact

We all just need to stop hating on the religion and instead, #HateOnThePeopleThatAbuseIt

Anas09:

You mean Dr Bart Ehrmann is more of an authority in this matter than the Holy Bible?

Guy, you know you cant accept that Yahweh is not allah? If you do that, you'd admitting that allah is an elementary god, which indeed he is.

How you know that these two deities are distinct is in their M.Os. One can't agree in something, while the other rejects that thing vehemently, yet you call them one.
Take this for instance.
The Angel which from old delivered the news that Jesus would be born, was the same Angel Gabriel who gave Jesus's parents his name and called him the son of God.

Yahweh Himself, Openly Called Jesus Christ his son to the hearing of people.


Then 600 Years later, the same Angel Gabriel appears to a man in the Arabian Peninsula and told him to forget and regard everything he had previously told the Jews about Jesus being the son of God, that now he was changing his mind, Jesus is indeed not the Son of God, but a slave of allah?

Does this make sense to you? Or it will make sense to you because you just can't allow yourself to think?

Even if i wasnt a Christian, i will question this absurdity.
One of them is lying and i think you know who is.

The tragic flaw in your premise is that you are relying for your first assumption on an improperly transmitted English translation of a Greek translation of a presumably Hebrew/ Aramaic translation of an unreliable hearsay evidence, written down completely anonymously, and which would not stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Dr Bart Ehrmann is an authority ON the Bible. He states quite openly, the opinion held by many of those who really educate themselves on Biblical knowledge. Yahweh did not call Jesus any such thing, it is all cooked up. You need to prove the authenticity of your scriptures before you force its myths down our throats, or ask us to measure our much more reliably transmitted scriptures against them.

Would you allow yourself to think as well?

udatso:

Jazakallahu khairan for your patience in explaining to them. But I strongly advise you ignore the anas guy. He doesn't really care about your replies. He just wants the opportunity to engage a Muslim and throw insults around.

Oh, ok. I guess you have had more experience with them. I dont normally like engaging Christians anyway. Their faith is too all-out illogical, there is no way that a discussion based on reason can take place.

Farmerforlife:


That is total nonsense, and you are indeed, very much wrong. There is nothing like a 'moderate' Muslim and a 'non moderate' Muslim. Islam is a moderate way in its entirety. There are only those who follow its percepts correctly, and those who follow their desires, then find a way to connect it to Islam. For those who submit truly to Allah, in substance and in form, there is Paradise. For those who do otherwise, whether opposing it in substance, or opposing it in form, or both, punishment. The severity and length of the punishment depending on the gravity of the act of disobedience.

That is all.

Are you kidding?

Do you actually believe what you typed or you don't know what your Holy Book says about this matter? Or maybe you want to lie and deceive those muslims who do not or can not read koran?

Shd we flood this thread with your koranic verses which talks about this matter?

Islam is death. Islam is wickedness. Islam is violent. Anyone who reads the koran turns out a terrorist. Murderous and a pedophile.

Farmerforlife:


Yes, you need it. But I am not your servant. Pls go and look for teachers. I am not here for you.

You mean you dont know how to defend your claims? You come out here and make claims you can't prove? Smh for you.
When adults are talking next time, keep quiet.

Farmerforlife:


The tragic flaw in your premise is that you are relying for your first assumption on an improperly transmitted English translation of a Greek translation of a presumably Hebrew/ Aramaic translation of an unreliable hearsay evidence, written down completely anonymously, and which would not stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Dr Bart Ehrmann is an authority ON the Bible. He states quite openly, the opinion held by many of those who really educate themselves on Biblical knowledge. Yahweh did not call Jesus any such thing, it is all cooked up. You need to prove the authenticity of your scriptures before you force its myths down our throats, or ask us to measure our much more reliably transmitted scriptures against them.

Would you allow yourself to think as well?

I smell a Rat here. A Bible scholar who claims God didn't call Jesus His son? Are you sure that man made that assertion or a Muslim as they are famous for fabrications pinned that on him?

You mean someone inserted this into the Bible?

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew:3:16

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew:3:17


While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luke:9:34

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke:9:35


This is to confirm the Prophesy of Prophet Isaiah about the birth of Christ.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew:1:23


This is the same Angel Gabriel who Muslims claim declared Jesus was just a slave of allah. Here he is professing Jesus as the Son of the MOST HIGH GOD.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest God: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke:1:32

You mean a certain someone inserted all these into both the old and new testaments to deceive us?

And yet you want us to believe a certain Jibril who waited 600 years to correct his mistake which he made by telling the Jews that Jesus was the Son of God, and telling a certian muhammed that it was a lie?

Has it ever occurred to you that muhammed could have lied?

How many people heard about the birth of Christ from this same Gabriel before He was born?

Gabriel talked to Daniel about it. David knew about it. Zacharia (John the Baptist's father heard about it, John the Baptist heard about it. Elizabeth heard about it. Mary heard about it, Joseph heard about it. By the same Angel Gabriel.


How many people aside from mohammed heard from jibril? None.

Are you sure you want to have this discussion?

Your ridiculousness is ridiculous.

Anas09:

I smell a Rat here. A Bible scholar who claims God didn't call Jesus His son? Are you sure that man made that assertion or a Muslim as they are famous for fabrications pinned that on him?

You mean someone inserted this into the Bible?

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew:3:16

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew:3:17


While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luke:9:34

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke:9:35


This is to confirm the Prophesy of Prophet Isaiah about the birth of Christ.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew:1:23


This is the same Angel Gabriel who Muslims claim declared Jesus was just a slave of allah. Here he is professing Jesus as the Son of the MOST HIGH GOD.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest God: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke:1:32

You mean a certain someone inserted all these into both the old and new testaments to deceive us?

And yet you want us to believe a certain Jibril who waited 600 years to correct his mistake which he made by telling the Jews that Jesus was the Son of God, and telling a certian muhammed that it was a lie?

Has it ever occurred to you that muhammed could have lied?

How many people heard about the birth of Christ from this same Gabriel before He was born?

Gabriel talked to Daniel about it. David knew about it. Zacharia (John the Baptist's father heard about it, John the Baptist heard about it. Elizabeth heard about it. Mary heard about it, Joseph heard about it. By the same Angel Gabriel.


How many people aside from mohammed heard from jibril? None.

Are you sure you want to have this discussion?

Your ridiculousness is ridiculous.

You just dropped a nuclear bomb on that guy.

How can someone claim a book and history that existed 600yrs before the quran was adulterated when the Same Quran made reference to the same book and history.

Did the Bible copy a single line from the Quran? No

Did the Quran lift from the Bible? YES

Is it not the one that copied from the other that stands a chance of being adulterated?

The Quran copied from the Bible and corrupted its own words while copying and in order to claim superiority now began spinning a web of lies claiming the Bible was corrupted.

All these headbangers people eh.

4everGod:



You just dropped a nuclear bomb on that guy.

How can someone claim a book and history that existed 600yrs before the quran was adulterated when the Same Quran made reference to the same book and history.

Did the Bible copy a single line from the Quran? No

Did the Quran lift from the Bible? YES

Is it not the one that copied from the other that stands a chance of being adulterated?

The Quran copied from the Bible and corrupted its own words while copying and in order to claim superiority now began spinning a web of lies claiming the Bible was corrupted.

All these headbangers people eh.

The heads they bang on the floor has scattered their little brians, they can't settle down to think.

You can imagine. If theres counterfeit, there must of necessity be an original. A counterfeit is always made from the original, but these headbangers claim the original is the counterfeit while the copied is the original.
What ridiculousness.

Anas09:

I smell a Rat here. A Bible scholar who claims God didn't call Jesus His son? Are you sure that man made that assertion or a Muslim as they are famous for fabrications pinned that on him?

You mean someone inserted this into the Bible?

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew:3:16

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew:3:17


While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
Luke:9:34

And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke:9:35


This is to confirm the Prophesy of Prophet Isaiah about the birth of Christ.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew:1:23


This is the same Angel Gabriel who Muslims claim declared Jesus was just a slave of allah. Here he is professing Jesus as the Son of the MOST HIGH GOD.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest God: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke:1:32

You mean a certain someone inserted all these into both the old and new testaments to deceive us?

And yet you want us to believe a certain Jibril who waited 600 years to correct his mistake which he made by telling the Jews that Jesus was the Son of God, and telling a certian muhammed that it was a lie?

Has it ever occurred to you that muhammed could have lied?

How many people heard about the birth of Christ from this same Gabriel before He was born?

Gabriel talked to Daniel about it. David knew about it. Zacharia (John the Baptist's father heard about it, John the Baptist heard about it. Elizabeth heard about it. Mary heard about it, Joseph heard about it. By the same Angel Gabriel.


How many people aside from mohammed heard from jibril? None.

Are you sure you want to have this discussion?

Your ridiculousness is ridiculous.

Do your research on Dr Ehrmann my friend. He is well known. Education opens eyes.

The whole Bible is an insertion. It has no validity. Anything therein is suspect, and is most probably a faked story, in the words of a multitude of objective scholars of Christian scripture (not those your pastors that claim to be former armed robbers, acquiring knowledge, and turning preachers overnight). There is no authenticity, or transmission to the Bible. Heck, you cannot even state that so and so is the author of this or that gospel, without using the words 'likely' and 'possibly'. I stand to be corrected. Please prove me wrong.

Anas09:

You mean you dont know how to defend your claims? You come out here and make claims you can't prove? Smh for you.
When adults are talking next time, keep quiet.

I mean that I have no interest in defending them to you. I am not interested in your taunts. They show a certain level of immaturity that would have been funny if it was not so sad. Do you really think that this is what will make me feel challenged and start dancing to your tune? Come on my friend, you should have left such strategies behind in primary school. Talk like a man.

Anas09:

Are you kidding?

Do you actually believe what you typed or you don't know what your Holy Book says about this matter? Or maybe you want to lie and deceive those muslims who do not or can not read koran?

Shd we flood this thread with your koranic verses which talks about this matter?

Islam is death. Islam is wickedness. Islam is violent. Anyone who reads the koran turns out a terrorist. Murderous and a pedophile.

Lol, you guys always resort to the same tired juvenile-sounding abuse when you run out of ideas. I am really sorry for you. Do not worry, Sunday is just around the corner, when your pastor will give you an extra dose of reassurance in your faith for yet another week, by giving you the usual incomprehensible lecture filled with big grammar, and liberally sprayed with subtle demands for the filthy lucre. It doesn't change the fact that your whole faith is based on thin air.

Farmerforlife:


I mean that I have no interest in defending them to you. I am not interested in your taunts. They show a certain level of immaturity that would have been funny if it was not so sad. Do you really think that this is what will make me feel challenged and start dancing to your tune? Come on my friend, you should have left such strategies behind in primary school. Talk like a man.

Its a female you discussing with....

Farmerforlife:


Lol, you guys always resort to the same tired juvenile-sounding abuse when you run out of ideas. I am really sorry for you. Do not worry, Sunday is just around the corner, when your pastor will give you an extra dose of reassurance in your faith for yet another week, by giving you the usual incomprehensible lecture filled with big grammar, and liberally sprayed with subtle demands for the filthy lucre. It doesn't change the fact that your whole faith is based on thin air.

I thought we were having a discussion here? How did my pastor come in and whether or not my faith is built on anything?

Without my faith, there wont even be anything close to Islam. I just wonder how you can keep a bolt face to call my faith a lie when you can't stand on your own and make sense without me.

Pls treat the issue at hand and forget what my pastor will tell me tomorrow. If you cant answer my query, the let me know.

Farmerforlife:


I mean that I have no interest in defending them to you. I am not interested in your taunts. They show a certain level of immaturity that would have been funny if it was not so sad. Do you really think that this is what will make me feel challenged and start dancing to your tune? Come on my friend, you should have left such strategies behind in primary school. Talk like a man.

Ok, teach me how to be a man by addressing the issue at hand.

Farmerforlife:


Do your research on Dr Ehrmann my friend. He is well known. Education opens eyes.

The whole Bible is an insertion. It has no validity. Anything therein is suspect, and is most probably a faked story, in the words of a multitude of objective scholars of Christian scripture (not those your pastors that claim to be former armed robbers, acquiring knowledge, and turning preachers overnight). There is no authenticity, or transmission to the Bible. Heck, you cannot even state that so and so is the author of this or that gospel, without using the words 'likely' and 'possibly'. I stand to be corrected. Please prove me wrong.

Gboooooom, on your face. You have no defends, you have now turned to foaming in the mouth.

Answer me. You Claim it was Angel Gabriel who spoke to mu harm mad. Without the Bible, you won't even know of an Angel Gabriel. Instead of you telling me how Angel Gabriel will give the Jews a mesage and wait 600years to change his mind and bring a different version to a Dwerfish fat Arab, you are stuck here yapping rust.

Next time, find your level.

lexiconkabir:


Its a female you discussing with....

I don't know why I always forget she is. I remember been told that anas was a lady.

udatso:

I don't know why I always forget she is. I remember been told that anas was a lady.

A girl.

Farmerforlife:
Do your research on Dr Ehrmann my friend. He is well known. Education opens eyes.

The whole Bible is an insertion. It has no validity. Anything therein is suspect, and is most probably a faked story, in the words of a multitude of objective scholars of Christian scripture (not those your pastors that claim to be former armed robbers, acquiring knowledge, and turning preachers overnight). There is no authenticity, or transmission to the Bible. Heck, you cannot even state that so and so is the author of this or that gospel, without using the words 'likely' and 'possibly'. I stand to be corrected. Please prove me wrong.

Please go read Surah 5:68 and Surah 29:46 in your holy book.

For the sake of others i'll quote them here.

Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Surah 29:46: "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;"

NOTE: "People of the Book" are the Jews - Christians.

Even your holy book testifies to the authenticity of the bible.

lexiconkabir:


A girl.

Lol

DavidTheGeek:

Please go read Surah 5:68 and Surah 29:46 in your holy book.

For the sake of others i'll quote them here.

Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Surah 29:46: "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;"

NOTE: "People of the Book" are the Jews - Christians.

Even your holy book testifies to the authenticity of the bible.

Nope, it testifies in the taurah and the injeel; described as revelations to Prophets Moses and Jesus. Which part of your 'Bible' would you describe as such please?

Farmerforlife:


Nope, it testifies in the taurah and the injeel; described as revelations to Prophets Moses and Jesus. Which part of your 'Bible' would you describe as such please?

ahhh now I see why you are confused. You are of the law as Musims while we are of grace ad Christians.

You believe solely in the old testament Bible while we believe that the new testament was a FULFILMENT of the old which was why Jesus came and this is the sole reason you all reject Jesus as the son of God.

Jesus said he has come to fulfil the law.

You are clearly confused. Is the source of the old and new testament different?

if the scriptures came 600 yrs before the Quran and the Quran lifted portions from the Scriptures while no part of the Scriptures were lifted from the Quran do you not realise that it is only the copier between the two that can make alterations?

Since the Bible is 600yrs before the Quran who then copied who? Use your head man.

Truth sometimes is bitter but it still needs to be said......

Damn its been long I did this, anyway I will be giving you the exegesis directly from ibn Al-kathir....

DavidTheGeek:


Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Ibn kathir says;

Allaah says to Muhammad: O Muhammad say;

(O People of the Scripture! You have nothing......) meaning no real religion until you adhere to and implement the Tawrah and the Injil. That is, until you believe in all the Books that you have that Allah revealed to the Prophets. These Books command following Muhammad and believing in his prophecy, all the while adhering to his Law.


Now going to the next verse makes it clearer that they were not happy that an ishmaelite was the prophet talked about in their books;

"Verily, the revelation that has come to you from your Lord makes many of them increase in rebellion and disbelief"

As we can see the people of the book were not happy that the seal of prophets came from the ishmaelites, they knew about the prophecy of Muhammad saying he will be coming from among their brethren(as found in the OT) but they never thought brethren means their other brothers(I.e ishmaelites), so Allaah tells that they have no religion until they follow the things in their books as regards the prophethood of Muhammad.

Surah 29:46: "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;"

Ibn kathir again says:

What is meant here is that anyone who wants to find out about religion from them should argue with them in a manner that is better, as this will be more effective. Allah says:

(Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching...) (16:125).....


We believe in the previous undiluted scripture sent even though we didn't meet it, the ones we have today are diluted, and as for the diluted one we don't believe nor disbelieve in it, which is why one of the hadith reported by Abu hurayra says this;

The people of the Book would recite the Torah in Hebrew and explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. The Messenger of Allaah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not believe the people of the Book nor disbelieve them, but say: We have believed in Allaah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims in submission to Him.”

So the prophet replied with Allaah words found in sura al-baqarah verse 136.

Even your holy book testifies to the authenticity of the bible.

Not really.....

Farmerforlife:


Nope, it testifies in the taurah and the injeel; described as revelations to Prophets Moses and Jesus. Which part of your 'Bible' would you describe as such please?

It is funny how they think the Qur'an is talking about 'Paul's letter to some people' as part of the Torah or Injeel.

Muslims are not that gullible to believe in junks written by unknown authors. The bible is their book and they have messed it up ( e.g is differences between RSV and KJV bibles).

They even accuse themselves of tampering o.


However, we believe that indeed revelations were given to Moses and Jesus.