@Igboid, is it true that during one of the censuses, some Northern leaders did not allow the Igbos living there to go back to their place of birth in order to not be counted amongst their brethren?

Ngozi123:
@Igboid, is it true that during one of the censuses, some Northern leaders did not allow the Igbos living there to go back to their place of birth in order to not be counted amongst their brethren?

I'm unaware of such events. I'm sure if it really did happen, the British would have recorded it somewhere.
Unless this happened in the Post colonial Nigeria.

Igboid:
How exactly did the Ijaws rise from 10th in 1931 to claiming 4th today, ahead of Kanuri, Ibibio, Edo,Nupe,and Tiv.

Are they saying that men from the above mentioned groups stopped reproducing, while the Ijaws reproduction rate quadrupled?

I fear too ooooo
And who like chopes like tiv people?

Igboid:


Don't know how to upload link to a PDF file here.

But through this link, you can access the PDF files of the colonial reports of the 1930' s of Nigeria, including that of 1933, where I got the screenshots on the this thread from.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

Thanks
Downloaded and bookmarked.

Will go through it later.

EternalTruths:
Igboid

The 2015 election also proved that Igbos are more than Yorubas

Yorubas/Hausas/Minorities= 15million votes Buhari

Igbos/Minorities= 12million votes Jonathan

The close gap shows that Igbos are more than Yorubas

Lol, you can't use this as a premise since APC narrowly won most Yoruba states. I think it was 60-40 based on total votes in the SW. So, that means millions of Yorubas also voted for PDP.

Flawed argument.

Shym3xx:


Lol, you can't use this as a premise since APC narrowly won most Yoruba states. I think it was 60-40 based on total votes in the SW. So, that means millions of Yorubas also voted for PDP.

Flawed argument.

Close your mouth.

Most votes Jonathan got in the SW where votes of non indigenes mainly SE/SS

Why did your Oba threatened to lagoon the Igbos

EternalTruths:


Close your mouth.

Most votes Jonathan got in the SW where votes of non indigenes mainly SE/SS

Why did your Oba threatened to lagoon the Igbos

Jonathan defeated Buhari in Ekiti state. So, Ibos are also the ones that voted for PDP in Ekiti state right?

seunmsg:



Jonathan defeated Buhari in Ekiti state. So, Ibos are also the ones that voted for PDP in Ekiti state right?

Take your education seriously.

I used the word " Most "

Besides Buhari won in IMO.

Igboid:

No. All Yorubas were counted.

See the breakdown for the population figures for the provinces.

Admittedly, based on all the books I have read about precolonial Nigeria - those classified as "Igbo/Eboe" have always had the highest population in Southern Nigeria albeit the 1920 census is flawed. The one conducted in the 1930s is the legit one.

That said, the keyword is "Southern Nigeria" cos there were Yorubas grouped with the North (Kabba and Ilorin), while conversely a lot of Southern minorities in today's Delta and Rivers were grouped with Igbos and these groups are distinct. Perhaps it's cos there were more Igbo slaves amongst them than actual indigenous people. Classic examples were: Agbor, Opobo, and other places in Rivers. Then in most of the colonial census showing population distribution - the Calabar province (which includes Ibibio, Efik, and other minorities in that axis) is always missing. Were they added to the Igbo population?

Furthermore, when you also factor in the fact that about 20-30% of Igbos died during the Biafran war - you can't really make an argument based on 1931. Regardless, what is fascinating about the 1931 census is how that many people could survive in the forest and that small landmass the way Igbos did with all the savagery that comes with living like that. That's a mystery.

EternalTruths:


Close your mouth.

Most votes Jonathan got in the SW where votes of non indigenes mainly SE/SS

Why did your Oba threatened to lagoon the Igbos

Your grammar is atrocious.

Why would you say, "why did" and then use "threatened"? Focus on improving your grammar, mate lool.

Regardless, that doesn't negate my point lol.

Shym3xx:


Your grammar is atrocious.

Why would you say, "why did" and then use "threatened"? Focus on improving your grammar, mate lool.

Regardless, that doesn't negate my point lol.

English is not my language and I owe you no apology for that.


I have delivered my message.

2015 election proved that Igbos are more than Yorubas.


You are free to drink otapiapia

EternalTruths:


Take your education seriously.

I used the word " Most "

Besides Buhari won in IMO.

[quote author=EternalTruths post=50097622]Igboid

The 2015 election also proved that Igbos are more than Yorubas

Yorubas/Hausas/Minorities= 15million votes Buhari

Igbos/Minorities= 12million votes Jonathan


So, if you agree Yorubas voted massively for Jonathan in Ekiti, is there any sense in the nonsense you wrote above?

seunmsg:

Take your education serious

I used the word " Most "

So if Jonathan got 45% in the SW and 85% of those votes are Igbos and SS, do you need God to tell you that your figure is insignificant

Besides have you forgotten the case between your king in Ondo and an Igbo leader. If our population in Ondo could attract attention to your king, what about Ekiti

princdebola201:
You guys should not take igboid serious, the guy is a direct descedant of chinua achebe the great history revisionist

u are right,debo,we shud take the mallam and their afonja bride version serious

EternalTruths:

English is not my language and I owe you no apology for that.

I have delivered my message.

2015 election proved that Igbos are more than Yorubas.

You are free to drink otapiapia

Well, your language was decoded with English language and Latin. And the minimum you can do is to learn how to write the basic form of it, since it's also the global language for everything. So, you have no excuse whatsoever.

Listen, I'm not interested in which of the two groups has the highest population. Huge population without a viable percentage and landmass, is utter useless. Naij is a classic example. And I'll always pick countries like Cape Verde, Morocco, Seychelles, Tunisia, and Gambia over naij every day of the week.

I just want to see superior arguments with academic references - not the tripe you're spouting. Not shocking since ya brain cells must be as impaired as ya atrocious grammar lol.

EternalTruths:



Take your education serious

I used the word " Most "

So if Jonathan got 45% in the SW and 85% of those votes are Igbos and SS, do you need God to tell you that your figure is insignificant

Besides have you forgotten the case between your king in Ondo and an Igbo leader. If our population in Ondo could attract attention to your king, what about Ekiti

Shut up!!

Shym3xx:


Admittedly, based on all the books I have read about precolonial Nigeria - those classified as "Igbo/Eboe" have always had the highest population in Southern Nigeria albeit the 1920 census is flawed. The one conducted in the 1930s is the legit one.

That said, the keyword is "Southern Nigeria" cos there were Yorubas grouped with the North (Kabba and Ilorin), while conversely a lot of Southern minorities in today's Delta and Rivers were grouped with Igbos and these groups are distinct. Perhaps it's cos there were more Igbo slaves amongst them than actual indigenous people. Classic examples were: Agbor, Opobo, and other places in Rivers. Then in most of the colonial census showing population distribution - the Calabar province (which includes Ibibio, Efik, and other minorities in that axis) is always missing. Were they added to the Igbo population?

Furthermore, when you also factor in the fact that about 20-30% of Igbos died during the Biafran war - you can't really make an argument based on 1931. Regardless, what is fascinating about the 1931 census is how that many people could survive in the forest and that small landmass the way Igbos did with all the savagery that comes with living like that. That's a mystery.

No none Igbo speaking group was counted as Igbo by the British. They know all ethnic groups in the Southern region, even small ones as Andoni, and Ogoni were all noted. And Opobo wasn't counted as Igbo.

Agbor was part of Western Igboland, and even up to this day speaks a dialect of Igbo language. The Igbo denials in those part of Igboland as well as southern Igboland are politically motivated after the civil war, and would die a natural death with time.
No none Igbo speaking groups in the Delta was counted as Igbos.

No one in Calabar province was counted as Igbo. If you want colonial documents detailing the ethnic groups in modern Cross river, just ask and I would give you the link.

The Yorubas in the Northern province were well noted and accounted for in the 1933 colonial report.
Check it out here:https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

Igboid:


I'm unaware of such events. I'm sure if it really did happen, the British would have recorded it somewhere.
Unless this happened in the Post colonial Nigeria.

I think that it occurred in post-colonial Nigeria, I'm not really sure about it tbh.

Shym3xx:


Your grammar is atrocious.

Why would you say, "why did" and then use "threatened"? Focus on improving your grammar, mate lool.

Regardless, that doesn't negate my point lol.

He's not English but an African, a proud Igbo even. Swallow the wisdom in his lines and stop playing to the gallery.

LaClickLaBend:
you know how many ibos died during the civil war?....of cos their numbers have greatly reduced now

Not really, considering that the majority of those who died were little children and elderly people. To be blunt, those two groups can be easily replaced within a society. It's sad but it's true.

Igboid:


No none Igbo speaking group was counted as Igbo by the British. They know all ethnic groups in the Southern region, even small ones as Andoni, and Ogoni were all noted. And Opobo wasn't counted as Igbo.

Agbor was part of Western Igboland, and even up to this day speaks a dialect of Igbo language. The Igbo denials in those part of Igboland as well as southern Igboland are politically motivated after the civil war, and would die a natural death with time.
No none Igbo speaking groups in the Delta was counted as Igbos.

No one in Calabar province was counted as Igbo. If you want colonial documents detailing the ethnic groups in modern Cross river, just ask and I would give you the link.

The Yorubas in the Northern province were well noted and accounted for in the 1933 colonial report.
Check it out here:https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

I'm using my phone cos I'm doing something else on my PC and I can't really access the link you posted. Can you post screenshots like you did in ya previous posts?

Well, I didn't see all these minority groups on the screenshots you posted, albeit I saw Agbor being added to the Igbo population. Ditto what should be Calabar province. So were they to Imo and Ogoja?

Agbor has never been Igbo. It has always had a separate kingdom, just as Bonny, Opobo etc. Ditto a lot of small groups in Delta. Granted there were a lot of Igbo slaves who lived among these folks, and overtime influenced their languages and cultures - that doesn't make them Igbo. Opobo and Bonny are classic examples. And I believe the only reason why they probably added Bonny to Ijaw is cos it's far in Ijaw territory and an Island on its own. But I'm sure most Bonny folks have big Igbo influence on their way of life, just as Opobo and Agbor.

No. Northern Yorubas weren't accounted for on the screenshots you posted. Oyo means: Oyo, Ibadan, and present day Osun. Ekiti/Ondo means: present day Ekiti and Osun. Egba is Egba: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Ijebu is Ijebu: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Lagos means: Eko and mainland. So, those from Ilorin and other parts of today's Keats and Kabba weren't account for.

Your argument would be legit if you can provide links where these folks were accounted for -without distinct groups like: Agbor, Opobo et al, being part of the Igbo population.

Ngozi123:


Not really, considering that the majority of those who died were little children and elderly people. To be blunt, those two groups can be easily replaced within a society. It's sad but it's true.

hmmm...not to mention the soldiers...and there were towns were all the Males were slaughtered by Nigerian Soldiers. No way only kids and elderly ones died please. Like yu said, it's sad, but it's the truth that ibos were greatly reduced during the civil war

LaClickLaBend:

hmmm...not to mention the soldiers...and there were towns were all the Males were slaughtered by Nigerian Soldiers. No way only kids and elderly ones died please. Like yu said, it's sad, but it's the truth that ibos were greatly reduced during the civil war

I don't mean to be rude but did you actually read my post? I said that the majority of those who died were little children and elderly people, mostly as a result of the starvation policy. As Igboid said, the number of soldiers the Biafran side lost was only a fraction of Nigeria's military fatalities, and only a fraction of the total number of Biafrans who died in the war. I'm not going to pretend like their lives didn't matter- they very much do- it's just logical to assume that the consequences of losing young children and elderly people would be far easier to recover from than adolescents or adults.

Shym3xx:


I'm using my phone cos I'm doing something else on my PC and I can't really access the link you posted. Can you post screenshots like you did in ya previous posts?

Well, I didn't see all these minority groups on the screenshots you posted, albeit I saw Agbor being added to the Igbo population. Ditto what should be Calabar province. So were they to Imo and Ogoja?

Agbor has never been Igbo. It has always had a separate kingdom, just as Bonny, Opobo etc. Ditto a lot of small groups in Delta. Granted there were a lot of Igbo slaves who lived among these folks, and overtime influenced their languages and cultures - that doesn't make them Igbo. Opobo and Bonny are classic examples. And I believe the only reason why they probably added Bonny to Ijaw is cos it's far in Ijaw territory and an Island on its own. But I'm sure most Bonny folks have big Igbo influence on their way of life, just as Opobo and Agbor.

No. Northern Yorubas weren't accounted for on the screenshots you posted. Oyo means: Oyo, Ibadan, and present day Osun. Ekiti/Ondo means: present day Ekiti and Osun. Egba is Egba: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Ijebu is Ijebu: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Lagos means: Eko and mainland. So, those from Ilorin and other parts of today's Keats and Kabba weren't account for.

Your argument would be legit if you can provide links where these folks were accounted for -without distinct groups like: Agbor, Opobo et al, being part of the Igbo population.

lol...so the goalpost has shifted to Agbor is not Igbo. You guys always get emotional instead of swallowing the truth.

Igboid:


No none Igbo speaking group was counted as Igbo by the British. They know all ethnic groups in the Southern region, even small ones as Andoni, and Ogoni were all noted. And Opobo wasn't counted as Igbo.

Agbor was part of Western Igboland, and even up to this day speaks a dialect of Igbo language. The Igbo denials in those part of Igboland as well as southern Igboland are politically motivated after the civil war, and would die a natural death with time.
No none Igbo speaking groups in the Delta was counted as Igbos.

No one in Calabar province was counted as Igbo. If you want colonial documents detailing the ethnic groups in modern Cross river, just ask and I would give you the link.

The Yorubas in the Northern province were well noted and accounted for in the 1933 colonial report.
Check it out here:https://www.google.com/search?&q=Colonial+annual+report+of+Nigeria+1933

Stop telling stupid lies that have already been debunked. There was no census in 1933. I challenge you to prove otherwise. THe British did an estimate and it is clear their premises were not well informed. Again you tell stupid lies when you say groups were captured. I already addressed this before. No Itsekiri ,No Urhobo,No Ogoni and the list is endless.
There was no credible census in Nigeria before 1950s and even those were hotly disputed but that is the first time there were real censuses in Nigeria. The others were all based on guesses and projections taken at different times(several years apart) in very limited parts of the country

Please tell us what are these figures based on
Is it a census. Simple YES OR NO

Then tell us what year the Census was conducted before being reported in 1933.

Please answer these two simple questions and stop all the dodging and ducking

I have an important information to make, a Benin republic lecturer used to bragg how they assisted nigeria to deal with igbos, he also told us. how they were used during election and census! You can go and make a research on this!! you know we used to accuse north of importing people from Chad and niger, not knowing that yorubas did same too.. the man knows about nigeria that most of us... @igboid should make more research on this.. I tell you will see more facts on nigeria census...

Shym3xx:


Admittedly, based on all the books I have read about precolonial Nigeria - those classified as "Igbo/Eboe" have always had the highest population in Southern Nigeria albeit the 1920 census is flawed. The one conducted in the 1930s is the legit one.

That said, the keyword is "Southern Nigeria" cos there were Yorubas grouped with the North (Kabba and Ilorin), while conversely a lot of Southern minorities in today's Delta and Rivers were grouped with Igbos and these groups are distinct. Perhaps it's cos there were more Igbo slaves amongst them than actual indigenous people. Classic examples were: Agbor, Opobo, and other places in Rivers. Then in most of the colonial census showing population distribution - the Calabar province (which includes Ibibio, Efik, and other minorities in that axis) is always missing. Were they added to the Igbo population?

Furthermore, when you also factor in the fact that about 20-30% of Igbos died during the Biafran war - you can't really make an argument based on 1931. Regardless, what is fascinating about the 1931 census is how that many people could survive in the forest and that small landmass the way Igbos did with all the savagery that comes with living like that. That's a mystery.

There was no nationwide census in the 30s or even the 40s

It simply DID NOT HAPPEN

Shym3xx:


I'm using my phone cos I'm doing something else on my PC and I can't really access the link you posted. Can you post screenshots like you did in ya previous posts?

Well, I didn't see all these minority groups on the screenshots you posted, albeit I saw Agbor being added to the Igbo population. Ditto what should be Calabar province. So were they to Imo and Ogoja?

Agbor has never been Igbo. It has always had a separate kingdom, just as Bonny, Opobo etc. Ditto a lot of small groups in Delta. Granted there were a lot of Igbo slaves who lived among these folks, and overtime influenced their languages and cultures - that doesn't make them Igbo. Opobo and Bonny are classic examples. And I believe the only reason why they probably added Bonny to Ijaw is cos it's far in Ijaw territory and an Island on its own. But I'm sure most Bonny folks have big Igbo influence on their way of life, just as Opobo and Agbor.

No. Northern Yorubas weren't accounted for on the screenshots you posted. Oyo means: Oyo, Ibadan, and present day Osun. Ekiti/Ondo means: present day Ekiti and Osun. Egba is Egba: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Ijebu is Ijebu: Ogun and parts of today's Lagos. Lagos means: Eko and mainland. So, those from Ilorin and other parts of today's Keats and Kabba weren't account for.

Your argument would be legit if you can provide links where these folks were accounted for -without distinct groups like: Agbor, Opobo et al, being part of the Igbo population.

"Northern Yorubas were added, ie those in present Kwara and Kogi.
The total figures for SW were as follows:

Lagos- 325,020
Ijebu- 374,872
Ondo- 462,650
Oyo- 1,336,928
Abeokuta- 434,526
Total-. 2,933,966.

Yet the total figure given for Yorubas in 1931 was 3,166,154.

Its only common sense to know that the 232,158 deficit there was accounted for by Yorubas in the Northern province.

Same thing happens when you sum up the figures for Owerri and Onitsha provinces, they come short of the Igbo 3,172,789 figure. Commo sense says that the Western Igbos in Warri and Benin provinces,accounted for the deficit observed."

Don't know why you keep talking about Agbor, hoping to whip up Igbophobic elements from that part of Igboland.

For your Information, Agbor is but a town. The part of Western Igboland Agbor is located is called Ika. Ika was never distinct from the rest of Igbo speaking tribes, in colonial and pre 1970 Nigeria. She is only as distinct as Ngwa, Ndoki, Asa were during the era in discuss.

I've read some pretty stupid stuff on this thread today: the population of Igbo's exceeds that of Yorubas in Lagos.
How can a sane mind say that all votes for PDP in the southwest during the 2015 elections are se/ss folks.
So many brainless peeps down here, I swear.

Armaggedon:
lol...so the goalpost has shifted to Agbor is not Igbo. You guys always get emotional instead of swallowing the truth.

Lol. Emotional = Igbo.

I highlighted Agbor to show how other distinct minorities were added to the Igbo population, since Agbor is visible on the population collated as Igbo's.

yh

Igboid:

"Northern Yorubas were added, ie those in present Kwara and Kogi.
The total figures for SW were as follows:

Lagos- 325,020
Ijebu- 374,872
Ondo- 462,650
Oyo- 1,336,928
Abeokuta- 434,526
Total-. 2,933,966.

Yet the total figure given for Yorubas in 1931 was 3,166,154.

Its only common sense to know that the 232,158 deficit there was accounted for by Yorubas in the Northern province.

Same thing happens when you sum up the figures for Owerri and Onitsha provinces, they come short of the Igbo 3,172,789 figure. Commo sense says that the Western Igbos in Warri and Benin provinces,accounted for the deficit observed."

Don't know why you keep talking about Agbor, hoping to whip up Igbophobic elements from that part of Igboland.

For your Information, Agbor is but a town. The part of Western Igboland Agbor is located is called Ika. Ika was never distinct from the rest of Igbo speaking tribes, in colonial and pre 1970 Nigeria. She is only as distinct as Ngwa, Ndoki, Asa were during the era in discuss.

Lol. Still didn't show Yorubas in the North and what you cited doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I'd even wager that the population of Yorubas in the Ilorin axis alone should be almost the same as either Egba or Ijebu, due to the number of troops they had during Kiriji wars. And I didn't add Kabba to it.

Agbor isn't Igbo and it has never been Igbo. Agbor kingdom existed long before Igbos started leaving the forest. And Igbos never had kingdoms, apart from Nri which was founded by an Igala prince, Onoja Oboli. So, how would folks without kingdoms go create a kingdom somewhere else? Or was Opobo also an Igbo kingdom? Even Onitsha is questionable cos the crown came from Bini but I will give you Onitsha.