₦airaland Forum

omonnakoda:
There is a reason why we respond to these things. Not because we are jobless.
There is unfortunately , a pervasive tendency among some black people to believe anything written in any book. So today they are quoting some rubbish from 1931 and in 2101 some other clowns will be quoting this thread so it is important that we put it on record everytime they start their nonsense.These clowns are not sleeping Let me give you an example they have gone to wikipedia to create countless fictions about Ikwerres and their identity ,about Port Harcourt and even their own history now dressing up some rubbish about an Imaginary Nri Kingdom that never existed except in the imaginations of some drunkards bloated with akpu and palm wine
So we must ensure there are contemporaneous internet archives that expose their shenanigans.They are a shameless people

Always speaking from a rostrum of biased emotion. When confronted with facts they resort to lies and emotional appeal. See who is talking about Ikwerre nd Nri kingdom. A fela of zero knowledge on subject matter that is far from his debase comprehension.

Shym3xx:
Well, your language was decoded with English language and Latin. And the minimum you can do is to learn how to write the basic form of it, since it's also the global language for everything. So, you have no excuse whatsoever.

Listen, I'm not interested in which of the two groups has the highest population. Huge population without a viable percentage and landmass, is utter useless. Naij is a classic example. And I'll always pick countries like Cape Verde, Morocco, Seychelles, Tunisia, and Gambia over naij every day of the week.

I just want to see superior arguments with academic references - not the tripe you're spouting. Not shocking since ya brain cells must be as impaired as ya atrocious grammar lol.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Wise people, focus more on the message and not the grammar.


You are not wise and there is no difference between you and Kemi the finance minister who speaks good English but a complete slowpoke when it comes to handling the economy.


I repeat, I have no apology to make concerning my grammar.

You are free to join Awolowo through Otapiapia

Igboid:
Ndewo, nwanne mmadu.

Meka nwanne'm. Ibu onye'oma. Na' aga niru.

shobenward:
My goodness when they say people in Nigeria have selective amnesia there's a truth to it. A certain tribe lost over 3million people during a particular civil war and before that there was a progrom against that same tribe on the north where the news then was that virtually every member of that tribe residing in the north were wiped out in retaliation for a certain coup the few survivors ran back to their land without their properties. Take note Nigeria's population was barely reaching a100 million then one can now begin to imagine the percentage of their total population that was lost.

happen2


You are really funny.

You should have asked yourself, how they got a % for each tribe in today's Nigeria when we haven't conducted a census based on tribe.

Is it not wise to ignore the issue of % until a census based on tribe is conducted.


As for losing lives during the war, most were mainly children who were quickly replaced after the war as people sort to give birth to more kids to replace those lost during the war.

EternalTruths:
Take your education serious

In each state, Igbos are always the most populated non-indigenes after the indigenes

For this reason, Jonathan got lots of votes in the North.


But there are LGAs in the SE/SS you won't find up to 50 Hausa Fulani Yoruba people.

For this reason, Buhari got insignificant votes in the SE/SS

True or False.?

What a wow!! This is your definition of taking an education seriously? We all knew how all of your folks traveled out of the north to their villages to cast their votes for gej, or for the fear of being mobbed after the election. That's for the north!! Or are u telling me igbos constitute more than 20% of voter in all northern states and close to 40% or more in the west. PDP may be dead as at the time of the election but chairman there were significant numbers of northerners that voted Pdp during that election. Don't come back here to tell me there are enough ibos to influence votes in ghana, uk, asia, S/A, because before we know it now, you will come back and claim you are every where. We know the drill, you like to change history and term it the truth. But know one thing, this is not aba market or onitsha where you get away with your lies.

EternalTruths:
happen2


You are really funny.

You should have asked yourself, how they got a % for each tribe in today's Nigeria when we haven't conducted a census based on tribe.

Is it not wise to ignore the issue of % until a census based on tribe is conducted.


As for losing lives during the war, most were mainly children who were quickly replaced after the war as people sort to give birth to more kids to replace those lost during the war.

LMAO....majorly children??!. infact igbo children fought the war. Not even women who quickly replaced these so called children were killed.

specimenC:
What a wow!! This is your definition of taking an education seriously? We all knew how all of your folks traveled out of the north to their villages to cast their votes for gej, or for the fear of being mobbed after the election. That's for the north!! Or are u telling me igbos constitute more than 20% of voter in all northern states and close to 40% or more in the west. PDP may be dead as at the time of the election but chairman there were significant numbers of northerners that voted Pdp during that election. Don't come back here to tell me there are enough ibos to influence votes in ghana, uk, asia, S/A, because before we know it now, you will come back and claim you are every where. We know the drill, you like to change history and term it the truth. But know one thing, this is not aba market or onitsha where you get away with your lies.

No kill me with laugh oooooo

Yorubas and twisting of facts


If there was any migration due to political threat, most people sent home were children and their mothers.

Men both young and old stayed back to protect their investments been targeted by political criminals in those regions.

Please, all the doubting felas on this thread, if you have any concrete historical proof that counters the op's, please do present it here for all to see. If you don't have it, then forever keep shut. Your emotional comments can never beat the truth. #eziokwubundu.

EternalTruths:
happen2


You are really funny.

You should have asked yourself, how they got a % for each tribe in today's Nigeria when we haven't conducted a census based on tribe.

Is it not wise to ignore the issue of % until a census based on tribe is conducted.


As for losing lives during the war, most were mainly children who were quickly replaced after the war as people sort to give birth to more kids to replace those lost during the war.

you have a point but in considering the fact that most were children and they were easily replaced we have to also give due consideration to the other tribes that did not need to replace their children but yet did not feel the need to pause for their other brother to complete the process of replacement bearing the fact that this tribe consists of people who are mostly practicing monogamy due to their fervent Christian upbringing and the other tribes either have a religion that supports polygamy,do not give a damn,or are famed for their notorious taiye's and kehinde's. In the end size and population does not help anybody our big brother up north can tell us more about it,just wish each major tribe could be given a good measure of autonomy to decide their destiny without having to wait on Abuja just like the early days of regionalism and the smaller tribes would rally around them each with his own kin without fear of subjugation by the bigger tribe

Igboid:
To be honest with you. The aim of this thread is not to show that Ndiigbo are more populous that Yorubas in Nigeria.

But to shake off the subtle belief that Yorubas are more populous than Ndiigbo, as there are no historical antecedent to that notion.

Point is that until Nigeria adds ethnicity to its census figures, the unofficial politicised assumption that Yorubas constitute 21% of Nigerian population, while Ndiigbo constitute a meagre 18% and the Ijaws a whooping 10% of Nigerian population must be exposed for what it is, which is nothing but political propaganda with no iota of truth or historical antecedent.

It must be assumed that Yorubas are of equal number with Ndiigbo, and that Ijaws are not more in number than Ibibios, Tivs, Kanuris, Nupes, and Edos, until a census with a provision for ethnic composition is conducted.

boss me I sent you an email

blues20:
Please, all the doubting felas on this thread, if you have any concrete historical proof that counters the op's, please do present it here for all to see. If you don't have it, then forever keep shut. Your emotional comments can never beat the truth. #eziokwubundu.

I go bend if the Afonjas bring facts to counter this Truth.

shobenward:
My goodness when they say people in Nigeria have selective amnesia there's a truth to it. A certain tribe lost over 3million people during a particular civil war and before that there was a progrom against that same tribe on the north where the news then was that virtually every member of that tribe residing in the north were wiped out in retaliation for a certain coup the few survivors ran back to their land without their properties. Take note Nigeria's population was barely reaching a100 million then one can now begin to imagine the percentage of their total population that was lost.

going by your theory that wars perpetually stop population growth, then yoruba race would have gone into extintion following long years of bloody kiriji wars (including ekiti parapo and fulani incursions) but if you believe that yoruba population grew afterwards then it is hypocricy to assume otherwise for Igbo.

EternalTruths:
If you had taken your education seriously, you would have known that the NW, SW , NC and NE has a high population of non indigenes mainly Igbos.

While the SE has the lowest presence of non indigenes

Apart from kano,lagos and abuja tell what part of these zones have significant numbers of non indigenes?

princdebola201:
Apart from kano,lagos and abuja tell what part of these zones have significant numbers of non indigenes?

I don't need to tell you. Just leave your village and travel round the country.

EternalTruths:
I go bend if the Afonjas bring facts to counter this Truth.

Armaggedon:
going by your theory that wars perpetually stop population growth, then yoruba race would have gone into extintion following long years of bloody kiriji wars (including ekiti parapo and fulani incursions) but if you believe that yoruba population grew afterwards then it is hypocricy to assume otherwise for Igbo.

a civil war fought with machines and guns ,gun powder was even outdated in that war compared to an ethnic squabble between a tribe fought with cutlass and the rich few that could afford Dane guns. Anyway I'm not saying that their population stagnated but it gave other tribes the natural advantage and basically a head start

EternalTruths:
I don't need to tell you. Just leave your village and travel round the country.

Shut up!! Did u conduct a census for non indigene in all these zone??
How do u arrive at this statement then

"" you had taken your education seriously, you would have
known that the NW, SW , NC and NE has a high population
of non indigenes mainly Igbos.""

princdebola201:
Shut up!! Did u conduct a census for non indigene in all these zone??
How do u arrive at this statement then

"" you had taken your education seriously, you would have
known that the NW, SW , NC and NE has a high population
of non indigenes mainly Igbos.""

Everyone is not like you who refused to leave your village.

I don't need to brag and chest beat about places I have been to.

shobenward:
a civil war fought with machines and guns ,gun powder was even outdated in that war compared to an ethnic squabble between a tribe fought with cutlass and the rich few that could afford Dane guns. Anyway I'm not saying that their population stagnated but it gave other tribes the natural advantage and basically a head start

What we are saying is that, it is criminal to attach % to any tribe until a census based on tribe and religion is conducted.

EternalTruths:
Everyone is not like you who refused to leave your village.
I don't need to brag and chest beat about places I have been to.

Nobody is asking you to chest beat here
Kindly tell us with facts and findings ,and how u arrived at this
statement that igbos re mainly the non indigenes in These
Zones NW,SW,NC,and NE
Thanks.

shobenward:
a civil war fought with machines and guns ,gun powder was even outdated in that war compared to an ethnic squabble between a tribe fought with cutlass and the rich few that could afford Dane guns. Anyway I'm not saying that their population stagnated but it gave other tribes the natural advantage and basically a head start

not still making sense. Yoruba civil wars spanned for decades and it was very bloody. Infact you guys claim it was the longest civil war in Africa. Now like most tribe in precolonial Nigeria, yoruba had not yet witnessed population explosion which means that that the percentage of the population lost to the war was quite significant. If today the impact of the war is not noticed in yoruba population. This should also be the case with the Biafran war. Society has a way to adjust its population.

Okeycima:
boss me I sent you an email

Sorry bro. I don't have access to the email of this my moniker. I can't remember the password I used to open it.

Igboid:
Sorry bro. I don't have access to the email of this my moniker. I can't remember the password I used to open it.

Pls I Want to request for indept assistance in the part-way that i choose to follow as my hobby and as well as to awake my consciousness to the realities as well as my history of my nation which is IGBO. So the request is for you to tell me some vintage and seasoned books dealing in igbo history,traditions,life and development. Prior to this message,I have Elizabeth isichie's history of igbo people.thanks for your assistance......that's what the email says

Igboid:
To be honest with you. The aim of this thread is not to show that Ndiigbo are more populous that Yorubas in Nigeria.

But to shake off the subtle belief that Yorubas are more populous than Ndiigbo, as there are no historical antecedent to that notion.

Point is that until Nigeria adds ethnicity to its census figures, the unofficial politicised assumption that Yorubas constitute 21% of Nigerian population, while Ndiigbo constitute a meagre 18% and the Ijaws a whooping 10% of Nigerian population must be exposed for what it is, which is nothing but political propaganda with no iota of truth or historical antecedent.

It must be assumed that Yorubas are of equal number with Ndiigbo, and that Ijaws are not more in number than Ibibios, Tivs, Kanuris, Nupes, and Edos, until a census with a provision for ethnic composition is conducted.

I understand what you mean and your intentions might be genuine, hence I've been civil throughout our exchanges. However, you ought to have highlighted everything you posited in this post at the beginning of this thread cos you should know how ya people get down. They like running with sensationalised excerpts out of context for never end propaganda and that's the same reason why a lot of Igbos till today, still believe Awolowo betrayed them, when the man never promised them anything. All he did was make a general conditional statement, without pledging alliance to anyone.

There are tons of articles all over cyberspace with Igbo folks claiming that Egba, Ijebu (because of Ijebu Igbo), and Ugbo (Ilaje/Mahin) people are Igbos. And since Ugbo people were the original inhabitants of Ife - they also claimed that all those Ife heads are Igbo artworks. And there's another claim that Igbo slaves started the Haitian revolution with Igbo gods. When the woman who consulted the gods before the revolution was a Yoruba slave and I believe it was Ogun. The leaders: Francois Mackandal, Toussaint L'Ouverture, and Jean-Jacques Dessalines - were of Maroon (most likely Akan or Malian), Fon, and Kongo descent respectively. Heck, I met a Ghanaian man recently who actually thought Lagos is part of Igbo land (true story). That's how your people get down.

Like I said earlier: admittedly, I've seen a lot of colonial reports that put Igbos as the most populous group in Southern Nigeria back then. However, you have to always put it in context cos a lot of distinct minorities groups were added to the Igbo population. And Yorubas in the North based on the North and South dichotomy weren't added to the Yoruba population. That was basically what I was trying to show you. No beef.

Okeycima:
Pls I Want to request for indept assistance in the part-way that i choose to follow as my hobby and as well as to awake my consciousness to the realities as well as my history of my nation which is IGBO. So the request is for you to tell me some vintage and seasoned books dealing in igbo history,traditions,life and development. Prior to this message,I have Elizabeth isichie's history of igbo people.thanks for your assistance......that's what the email says

Most of the modern ones are tainted with lies to fit into modern realities for independent Igbo towns, clans and groups, often for political gains.

Please, I will send some of the good ones I know to you, by tommorow.

There are tons of articles all over cyberspace with Igbo folks claiming that Egba, Ijebu (because of Ijebu Igbo), and Ugbo (Ilaje/Mahin) people are Igbos. And since Ugbo people were the original inhabitants of Ife - they also claimed that all those Ife heads are Igbo artworks. And there's another claim that Igbo slaves started the Haitian revolution with Igbo gods. When the woman who consulted the gods before the revolution was a Yoruba slave and I believe it was Ogun. The leaders: Francois Mackandal, Toussaint L'Ouverture, and Jean-Jacques Dessalines - were of Maroon (most likely Akan or Malian), Fon, and Kongo descent respectively. Heck, I met a Ghanaian man recently who actually thought Lagos is part of Igbo land (true story). That's how your people get down.

Well, actions and reactions are brothers. Those posts are usually in reaction to those from Yorubas.

Like I said earlier: admittedly, I've seen a lot of colonial reports that put Igbos as the most populous group in Southern Nigeria back then. However, you have to always put it in context cos a lot of distinct minorities groups were added to the Igbo population. And Yorubas in the North based on the North and South dichotomy weren't added to the Yoruba population. That was basically what I was trying to show you. No beef.

By 1931, the British already knew all the Igbo speaking and non Igbo speaking towns/clans in southern Nigeria.

They were so meticulous that even Ukwuani communities where the Ukwuanis co existed with the Igabohs( Isokos) were noted and well documented.

It's mischievous to say that the British counted non Igbo speaking groups as Igbos. There are simply no basis for that.
No distinct minority group was added to Ndiigbo.

The 1931 Census noted that Yorubas were spread between Northern and Southern provinces with the bulk in the Southern province. It makes no sense for the Census not to include the Northern Yorubas to the total tally for Yorubas.

sarrki:
We are all equal before God

Your statement is also a minority one

I buy your idea. We are all equal. Ask him Do he choose to be in minority tribe or Do we choose to be in majority tribes? That power of selection belongs to God Almighty

I thought they said 50 million igbos were killed in Biafra and Ibos only marry one wife so where do all these billion Ibgos come from

Igboid:
Like I said earlier: admittedly, I've seen a lot of colonial reports that put Igbos as the most populous group in Southern Nigeria back then. However, you have to always put it in context cos a lot of distinct minorities groups were added to the Igbo population. And Yorubas in the North based on the North and South dichotomy weren't added to the Yoruba population. That was basically what I was trying to show you. No beef.

By 1931, the British already know all the Igbo speaking and non Igbo speaking towns/clans in southern Nigeria.

They were so meticulous that even Ukwuani communities where the Ukwuanis co existed with the Igabohs( Isokos) were noted and well documented.

It's mischievous to say that the British counted non Igbo speaking groups as Igbos. There are simply no basis for that.
No distinct minority group was added to Ndiigbo.

The 1931 Census noted that Yorubas are spread between Northern and Southern provinces with the bulk in the Southern province. It makes no sense for the Census not to include the Northern Yorubas to the total tally for Yorubas.

My taught is no Yoruba in the North except middle belt. As many claim middle belt is not northern Nigeria.

Igboid:
Like I said earlier: admittedly, I've seen a lot of colonial reports that put Igbos as the most populous group in Southern Nigeria back then. However, you have to always put it in context cos a lot of distinct minorities groups were added to the Igbo population. And Yorubas in the North based on the North and South dichotomy weren't added to the Yoruba population. That was basically what I was trying to show you. No beef.

By 1931, the British already know all the Igbo speaking and non Igbo speaking towns/clans in southern Nigeria.

They were so meticulous that even Ukwuani communities where the Ukwuanis co existed with the Igabohs( Isokos) were noted and well documented.

It's mischievous to say that the British counted non Igbo speaking groups as Igbos. There are simply no basis for that.
No distinct minority group was added to Ndiigbo.

The 1931 Census noted that Yorubas are spread between Northern and Southern provinces with the bulk in the Southern province. It makes no sense for the Census not to include the Northern Yorubas to the total tally for Yorubas.

There was no 1931 Census rather there was a CENSUS ESTIMATE by a statistician

This is the reason a country should take education and teaching of history seriously. There are obviously some youths here that want to upstage existing beliefs or conventions but are not just showing sufficient knowledge in stating their new position but are here to throw a challenge without concrete proofs, its an indictment on our educational system because we can't blame the internet.

The 1930s estimate of the population could not have been the basis for factual statement. I have always believed that Nigeria's population is overstated and in fact, having been to different regions of Nigeria, am yet to be convinced that we are more than 140million in 2016 or may be 130million.
To me, the Norwest is the core zone regarding old Kano, old Katsina and Old Sokoto states. I was in Kano state recently and am yet to see how kano city or kano state can be more populous than Ibadan and Oyo state respectively. That aside, I must agree that the zone probably add more per density to the population of Nigeria.
The Igbo are many but to quote a pre-independence figure based solely on estimates without statistical model deployed will be tantamount to absolute ignorance, may be that can be used to at least have a fair idea of what the population could look like but statistically, such figures are riddled with errors.
Also, I do not know why the op targeted another group, the Yoruba as his/her contentious point, such should be to the entire Nigeria shams.

I think due to the influence of religion, the Hausa have been giving birth more than the two other major groups , the impact of the civil war cannot be written off also on the Igbo. I think the Fulani is the northern ace, its the group being used as the basis for more people in the North.
If you care to know, see the settlements, urban and rural populations across the major ethnic groups and you can have a fair knowledge of the country's population.