taurus25:

Whether hell was not intended for man or not, before the first words of creation was said, an OMNISCIENT being, in this case, yahweh you belive in, would have known that man would end up there.

If with such knowledge of future events, yahweh still created hell, then, he is not OMNIBENOVELENT.

Man would not end up there. Some men would willfully through their personal volition, end up there.

I do not have the answers to reconcile Gods Omniscient ability with the fall of man, and neither does any human on earth have the answers to all the questions of humanity.

I admit my limits and will not for such reason deny the existence of God.

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taurus25:
Classical example of an emotional appeal and FEAR OF HELL.

Its very obvious, even if theists try to deny this, that the main reason why many people remain religious that they fear eternal damnation in hell.

Not only is this saddening and pathetic, it is also pityable. Christains have tried severally to rationalize the concept of an all loving god creating hell , by stating that hell wasnt created for man.

However, which ever way you look at it, logically, the concept of hell alone betrays Gods Ominscience and Omnibenovelence.

Which ever god falls short of these two qualities hardly qualifies to bear the title "God".

As an agnostic , i dont know if a creator might exist or not, but of all religions in existence, the idea of the creator in which they propose usually turns out to be fallacious and self contradictory.

exactly the truth does not behave that way

jonbellion:
exactly the truth does not behave that way

How do you know how the truth behaves

winner01:
Thats right. Adam also had no religion. I cant consider myself to have a religion.

smh, and you just said religiousity is part of humanity?
Are you trolling?

GRIMMJOE:
I will advice any sane person to avoid conversations with felixmor1 he is a Lost Psycho- Path

hahahahhaha

atheists view it to be illogical for a supreme Being to have come out from nothing to create everything, but yet betray the same Logic by believing that the Universe came from nothing.
So what makes you any different from the christians?

winner01:
How do you know how the truth behaves

well for one it will be clear. This is not the case in religion. Even in Christianity there are different denominations with their different belief systems, protestants, Baptists , Mormons and Jehovah witnesses just to name a few. We don't disagree like this on a math equation. If the creator of the universe wanted everyone to be aware of it's existence then it would have made it so clear to us so that we would all be in agreement and not allow it's message be spread by falliable corruptible humans that will twist things here and there for their own selfish case. I don't know if a God exists or not but with this confusion I think it is just better to be agnostic.

winner01:
Bro. This is sad!

it is the truth..

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your long epistle was filled with errors...i dont even know where to start from

taurus25:
Classical example of an emotional appeal and FEAR OF HELL.

Its very obvious, even if theists try to deny this, that the main reason why many people remain religious that they fear eternal damnation in hell.

Not only is this saddening and pathetic, it is also pityable. Christains have tried severally to rationalize the concept of an all loving god creating hell , by stating that hell wasnt created for man.

However, which ever way you look at it, logically, the concept of hell alone betrays Gods Ominscience and Omnibenovelence.

Which ever god falls short of these two qualities hardly qualifies to bear the title "God".

As an agnostic , i dont know if a creator might exist or not, but of all religions in existence, the idea of the creator in which they propose usually turns out to be fallacious and self contradictory.

lol Abrahamic god believers usually straight up deny or dance around this but its the truth

if there's no hell/heaven idea, there would be MUCH LESS adherents of that god

peacesamuel94:
atheists view it to be illogical for a supreme Being to have come out from nothing to create everything, but yet betray the same Logic by believing that the Universe came from nothing.
So what makes you any different from the christians?

when has atheism ever said we came from nothing?


upgrade bro, its not a sin, is it?

MrMontella:

smh, and you just said religiousity is part of humanity?
Are you trolling?

No i'm not.

Religiousity/spirituality is different from religion.

The God shaped void.

Not to mention the Abrahamic God sounds man made

peacesamuel94:
atheists view it to be illogical for a supreme Being to have come out from nothing to create everything, but yet betray the same Logic by believing that the Universe came from nothing.
So what makes you any different from the christians?

we do not conclude...
We just havent seen the incontrovertible evidence yet...
All these are misconceptions of atheism...
P.s im not an atheist tho.

winner01:
Man would not end up there. Some men would willfully through their personal volition, end up there.

When i said Man, i didnt mean all men. Or do you not think some men would end up in hell? , if you do, do you think yahweh knew?. The concept of freewill only makes sense if "god" is not omniscient. Because if he is, of all possible decisions or choices man makes, the outcomes are already known beforehand, this makes freewill only an illusion.

i do not have the answers to reconcile Gods Omniscient ability with the fall of man, and neither does any human on earth have the answers to all the questions of humanity.

Omniscience by definition, is the ability to know all there is. If yahweh is omniscient, then he knew of the fall of man.

I admit my limits and will not for such reason deny the existence of God.

If the concept of any god is inconsistent or fallible, then such a god is never far away from being a common myth.

I dont know if a creator exists or not, but if one does, its definetely not a contradictory one.

MrMontella:

we do not conclude...
We just havent seen the incontrovertible evidence yet...
All these are misconceptions of atheism...
P.s im not an atheist tho.

that guy pulled a strawman fallacy

defined atheism in order to reduce it to the same level as his pathetic religion


sad

winner01:
No i'm not.

Religiousity/spirituality is different from religion.

The God shaped void.

religiousity is an aspect of religion...
If by spirituality you mean higher powers controlling the universe etc....the piraha people are not spiritual..

hopefulLandlord:


that guy pulled a strawman fallacy

defined atheism in order to reduce it to the same level as his pathetic religion


sad

people just have misconceptions..everywhere...even the ''old daddies'' we've been teaching..they still dont get it...

hopefulLandlord:

when has atheism ever said we came from nothing?

upgrade bro, its not a sin, is it?

OK thanks for the correction, so where did we come from, what caused it?

taurus25:


When i said Man, i didnt mean all men. Or do you not think some men would end up in hell? , if you do, do you think yahweh knew?. The concept of freewill only makes sense if "god" is not omniscient. Because if he is, of all possible decisions or choices man makes, the outcomes are already known beforehand, this makes freewill only an illusion.



Omniscience by definition, is the ability to know all there is. If yahweh is omniscient, then he knew of the fall of man.

I admit my limits and will not for such reason deny the existence of God.

If the concept of any god is inconsistent or fallible, then such a god is never far away from being a common myth.

I dont know if a creator exists or not, but if one does, its definetely not a contradictory one.

Mr Taurus

we've been through this argument before, even Honourhim opened a thread on it sometime back,

Christians themselves don't agree on omniscience and freewill, each one stating empty words despite them claiming to "have a relationship with the holy ghost"

seems holy ghost authors confusion afterall

peacesamuel94:



OK thanks for the correction, so where did we come from, what caused it?

atheism doesn't know and admits ignorance about certain things; there is a gap in our knowledge

but atheism wouldn't fill that gap with an imaginary friend either

hopefulLandlord:


Mr Taurus

we've been through this argument before, even Honourhim opened a thread on it sometime back,

Christians themselves don't agree on omniscience and freewill, each one stating empty words despite them claiming to "have a relationship with the holy ghost"

seems holy ghost authors confusion afterall

lol I tire oo

hopefulLandlord:


Mr Taurus

we've been through this argument before, even Honourhim opened a thread on it sometime back,

Christians themselves don't agree on omniscience and freewill, each one stating empty words despite them claiming to "have a relationship with the holy ghost"

seems holy ghost authors confusion afterall

some do. some dont. And these are people who all learn from ONE holy spirit. Christainity, as well as other religions are one big fat joke.

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hopefulLandlord:


Mr Taurus

we've been through this argument before, even Honourhim opened a thread on it sometime back,

Christians themselves don't agree on omniscience and freewill, each one stating empty words despite them claiming to "have a relationship with the holy ghost"

seems holy ghost authors confusion afterall

the holy ghost made me open a thread about it before.....funny enough each can support their stand and condemn the others with bible verses from the supposed dictated book of just one ''God''

hopefulLandlord:


atheism doesn't know and admits ignorance about certain things; there is a gap in our knowledge

but atheism wouldn't fill that gap with an imaginary friend either

so atheists are confused as to how we came about? so why the choice to become atheists in the first place when the knowledge you have about the universe and it origin are inconclusive.

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peacesamuel94:


so atheists are confused as to how we came about? so why the choice to become atheists in the first place when the knowledge you have about the universe and it origin are inconclusive.

they are not confused..they are just ignorant as at our present state...admitting ignorance is not bad...i
Instead of believing in a fairy tale and pronouncing it as truth..
Admitting ignorance is much more better and open.

peacesamuel94:


so atheists are confused as to how we came about? so why the choice to become atheists in the first place when the knowledge you have about the universe and it origin are inconclusive.

most atheists don't give two huths about how we came about, we just lack belief in all deities

there's evolution, there's creationism

atheism hasn't selected anyone because we keep our options open

who knows in the future, we might discover its through havdksdgsbfvsism that we came about?

yes, certain atheists argue for big bang but that doesn't cut across all atheists

once something is unknown, it should remain unknown, not filling the gaps and creating a myth round it with absurdities and contradictions, then saying anyone who doesn't believe would burn forever

Abrahamic religions and god are one massive joke

Brigham:

Bro!, what you wrote up there is simply incoherent.

It's either you've a difficulty comprehending or you just want to be mischievous.(no offence)

Read so much crap, men I can't deal.

Are there no intelligent theist on nairaland.

Here he goes....


An average atheist falsely claiming to be intelligent!

All theists are foolish, and all atheists are wise- charles darwkins(aka the high priest of atheism).

GRIMMJOE:
I will advice any sane person to avoid conversations with felixmor1 he is a Lost Psycho- Path

peacesamuel94:


so atheists are confused as to how we came about? so why the choice to become atheists in the first place when the knowledge you have about the universe and it origin are inconclusive.

Scientifically, we have gone very far in piecing the puzzle of exactly how we came to be, were almost there, we arent confused .

There's no single evidence for gods existence, all we have are wild assumptions and gap fillers. Thats why almost every culture had their god ideas before the abandonment of many of them due to increase in scientific knowledge.

promise10:

Here he goes....


An average atheist falsely claiming to be intelligent!

All theists are foolish, and all atheists are wise- charles darwkins(aka the high priest of atheism).

have you taken your medications for today bro?