cloudgoddess:
Sigh

The complexity of the human body and such has been thoroughly explained by evolution by natural selection. No atheist is saying humans magically appeared on earth. It was an extremely gradual, natural process. Please try to learn more about it sincerely from valid sources.

You do not have to have a religion to have hope or purpose in life. Both of those things existed for human beings long before religion (an organized set of beliefs about the world from the perspective of a particular culture) was invented. Living life to the fullest can mean different things for different people, but for the most part we humans all crave healthy, satisfying relationships with people who understand and support us, a reliable source of nourishment & health, meaningful work that makes us feel connected to others and useful to our communities, and expressing our creativity and intellect.

All of those things and more can be had without religion. The only reason you believe religion is necessary for a good life is because you have been brainwashed to think so since birth. You've been psychologically manipulated in a way that causes you to tie everything in life into your belief system, which makes it difficult for you to imagine living without it in any meaningful way. But just because your perspective has been narrowed (again, since birth, so it's very strong conditioning) does not mean that other ways of viewing reality are inferior. You're simply biased in favor of a religious worldview because that's what you've been taught through repitition, social control, & fear.

The last part about a Christian being better off than an atheist if God is real, is a fallacy called Pascal's Wager. Where that argument goes wrong is assuming that there is only one god in question. There are thousands of "possible" gods if we look at all the ones worshipped in human history, and a Christian worshipping the "wrong one" is pretty much just as likely to go to hell as the atheist if he's wrong.

The reason I put "possible" in quotes is because with just a little bit of critical consideration & some facts, it's quite easy to see how gods were invented by human imaginations. They have emotions like anger and wrath, they discriminate, they command war. They supposedly created trillions of planets and stars but are unreasonably invested in one tiny planet inhabited by tiny apes. Their descriptions of nature are completely off scientifically (how peculiar, that a God who supposedly created nature wouldn't be able to accurately describe how nature works). And most of all, have a ton of rules about how these apes should & shouldn't live their lives, most which are clearly barbaric, sexist, & written by ancient men.

Also, the idea that atheism is just for white people is ridiculous, and a clear sign of mental slavery. Especially given the fact that whites were historically the ones who forced Christianity onto Africans in the first place (via slave trade & the stripping of our traditional religions). And now because of their increased knowledge & development they're leaving it behind, while Africans foolishly cling to the religion of their slave traders, thinking they're being smart.

MrPRevailer:
This post hit FrontPage in Nairaland?
It's only python and Islam that goes FP ooo. Occasionally, just for pity, something like 'why I stopped going to church' or 'Is paying Tithe compulsory' hits FP.

MrPRevailer:
This post hit FrontPage in Nairaland?
It's only python and Islam that goes FP ooo. Occasionally, just for pity, something like 'why I stopped going to church' or 'Is paying Tithe compulsory' hits FP.

Brigham:
Most of you guys no nothing about atheism, probably the word atheist should be changed to something else.

Atheist are also concerned about the existential crisis that befalls every conscious being whether you're 'oyibo' or not, but refuse the explanations of various religions creation stories, not believing in the folklore of medieval shepherds/tribesmen wandering the Arabian desert, African jungles or Indus valley.

Carl sagan once said 'if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe then there is such a God...but it doesn't make sense to pray to the law of gravity.'

Bear in mind that there are higher spatial dimensions of reality than we are living at the present, probably responsible for the supernatural causes and effects we feel, I trust with 'time' that science we provide us with answers.

At the moment science is making man 'God', we're performing mind blowing surgeries, doing thing religious miracle workers couldn't do, at a time sick people were expected to accept their ailment as the will of god by ecclesiastics.

Many of us became agnostics or atheist not because of anger but the dumbness and rigid stances of our men of god when we confront them with existential and ethical questions.

We have a lot to lose if we believe in God whether he exists but obscure as you stated or not, firstly religions limits and restricts men from using their mental faculties, religions require men to accept absurd reasons for life questions and so on.

Why should a God that wants you to worship him, refuse to reveal the true way to do that to you, there are hundreds of religions in the world making guesses to know the right one is wastefully futile. I think God is the loser if I go to hell, heck! He created me, gave me consciousness, I'm like a toy in his supernal hands.

The truth remains that religion is a very pompous enterprise using an outdated manual for a modern world, while science remains a self correcting albeit imperfect venture.

Thermodynamics:



My guy i don't think religion limits and restricts men from using their mental faculties, you can still believe in God and go ahead to do great things, God does not limit you, instead he empowers you with greatness. Religion gives you a sense of hope and a real purpose in life. There are alot of inconsistencies in religion, we can't understand it all because the spiritual realm is beyond our comprehension. I believe that someday God will answer your questions when you meet him, and you will understand and see things differently. You just have to believe blindly(mad faith) and know that his ways and thought are higher than your. It's better to believe in something than nothing, Atheism takes away the hope.

cloudgoddess:
Sigh
The complexity of the human body and such has been thoroughly explained by evolution by natural selection. No atheist is saying humans magically appeared on earth. It was an extremely gradual, natural process. Please try to learn more about it sincerely from valid sources.

cloudgoddess:

You do not have to have a religion to have hope or purpose in life. Both of those things existed for human beings long before religion (an organized set of beliefs about the world from the perspective of a particular culture) was invented. Living life to the fullest can mean different things for different people, but for the most part we humans all crave healthy, satisfying relationships with people who understand and support us, a reliable source of nourishment & health, meaningful work that makes us feel connected to others and useful to our communities, and expressing our creativity and intellect.
All of those things and more can be had without religion.

cloudgoddess:
The only reason you believe religion is necessary for a good life is because you have been brainwashed to think so since birth. You've been psychologically manipulated in a way that causes you to tie everything in life into your belief system, which makes it difficult for you to imagine living without it in any meaningful way. But just because your perspective has been narrowed (again, since birth, so it's very strong conditioning) does not mean that other ways of viewing reality are inferior. You're simply biased in favor of a religious worldview because that's what you've been taught through repitition, social control, & fear.

cloudgoddess:
The last part about a Christian being better off than an atheist if God is real, is a fallacy called Pascal's Wager. Where that argument goes wrong is assuming that there is only one god in question. There are thousands of "possible" gods if we look at all the ones worshipped in human history, and a Christian worshipping the "wrong one" is pretty much just as likely to go to hell as the atheist if he's wrong.

cloudgoddess:
Sigh
The reason I put "possible" in quotes is because with just a little bit of critical consideration & some facts, it's quite easy to see how gods were invented by human imaginations. They have emotions like anger and wrath, they discriminate, they command war. They supposedly created trillions of planets and stars but are unreasonably invested in one tiny planet inhabited by tiny apes. Their descriptions of nature are completely off scientifically (how peculiar, that a God who supposedly created nature wouldn't be able to accurately describe how nature works). And most of all, have a ton of rules about how these apes should & shouldn't live their lives, most which are clearly barbaric, sexist, & written by ancient men..

cloudgoddess:
Also, the idea that atheism is just for white people is ridiculous, and a clear sign of mental slavery. Especially given the fact that whites were historically the ones who forced Christianity onto Africans in the first place (via slave trade & the stripping of our traditional religions). And now because of their increased knowledge & development they're leaving it behind, while Africans foolishly cling to the religion of their slave traders, thinking they're being smart.

Brigham:
Most of you guys no nothing about atheism, probably the word atheist should be changed to something else.

Brigham:

Atheist are also concerned about the existential crisis that befalls every conscious being, whether you're 'oyibo' or not, but refuse the explanations of various religions creation stories, not believing in the folklore of medieval shepherds/tribesmen wandering the Arabian desert, African jungles or Indus valley.

Brigham:
Carl sagan once said 'if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe then there is such a God...but it doesn't make sense to pray to the law of gravity.'

Brigham:
Bear in mind that there are higher spatial dimensions of reality than we are living at the present, probably responsible for the supernatural causes and effects we feel, I trust with 'time' that science we provide us with answers.

Brigham:
At the moment science is making man 'God', we're performing mind blowing surgeries, doing thing religious miracle workers couldn't do, at a time sick people were expected to accept their ailment as the will of God by ecclesiastics.

Brigham:
Many of us became agnostics or atheist not because of anger but the dumbness and rigid stances of our men of God when we confront them with existential and ethical questions.

Brigham:

We have a lot to lose if we believe in God whether he exists (but obscure as you stated) or not, firstly religions limits and restricts men from using their mental faculties, religions require men to accept absurd reasons for life questions and so on.

Brigham:

Why should a God that wants you to worship him, refuse to reveal the true way to do that to you, there are hundreds of religions in the world, making guesses to know the right one is wastefully futile. It's a matter of getting the right one or nothing at all. I think God is the loser if I go to hell, heck! He created me, gave me consciousness, I'm like a toy in his supernal hands.

Brigham:
The truth remains that religion is a very pompous enterprise using an outdated manuals for a modern world, while science remains a self correcting albeit imperfect venture.

cloudgoddess:


The complexity of the human body and such has been thoroughly explained by evolution by natural sel ection. No atheist is saying humans magically appeared on earth. It was an extremely gradual, natural process. Please try to learn more about it sincerely from valid sources.

cloudgoddess:

You do not have to have a religion to have hope or purpose in life. Both of those things existed for human beings long before religion (an organized set of beliefs about the world from the perspective of a particular culture) was invented. Living life to the fullest can mean different things for different people, but for the most part we humans all crave healthy, satisfying relationships with people who understand and support us, a reliable source of nourishment & health, meaningful work that makes us feel connected to others and useful to our communities, and expressing our creativity and intellect.

cloudgoddess:


All of those things and more can be had without religion. [b]The only reason you believe religion is necessary for a good life is because you have been brainwashed to think so since birth. [/b]You've been psychologically manipulated in a way that causes you to tie everything in life into your belief system, which makes it difficult for you to imagine living without it in any meaningful way. But just because your perspective has been narrowed (again, since birth, so it's very strong conditioning) does not mean that other ways of viewing reality are inferior. You're simply biased in favor of a religious worldview because that's what you've been taught through repitition, social control, & fear.

cloudgoddess:

The last part about a Christian being better off than an atheist if God is real, is a fallacy called Pascal's Wager. Where that argument goes wrong is assuming that there is only one god in question. There are thousands of "possible" gods if we look at all the ones worshipped in human history, and a Christian worshipping the "wrong one" is pretty much just as likely to go to hell as the atheist if he's wrong.

cloudgoddess:

The reason I put "possible" in quotes is because with just a little bit of critical consideration & some facts, it's quite easy to see how gods were invented by human imaginations. T hey have emotions like anger and wrath, they discriminate, they command war. They supposedly created trillions of planets and stars but are unreasonably invested in one tiny planet inhabited by tiny apes. Their descriptions of nature are completely off scientifically (how peculiar, that a God who supposedly created nature wouldn't be able to accurately describe how nature works). And most of all, have a ton of rules about how these apes should & shouldn't live their lives, most which are clearly barbaric, sexist, & written by ancient men.

cloudgoddess:


Also, the idea that atheism is just for white people is ridiculous, and a clear sign of mental slavery. Especially given the fact that whites were historically the ones who forced Christianity onto Africans in the first place (via slave trade & the stripping of our traditional religions). And now because of their increased knowledge & development they're leaving it behind, while Africans foolishly cling to the religion of their slave traders, thinking they're being smart.

felixomor1:


These are some of the lies the devil has subtly pushed into our generation.
Evolution has not explained anything in detail.
If you insist, I challenge u to produce the name of one scientist who has a clear explanation of evolution from A-Z.

Ok, let me ask u, if u say humans evolved from bacteria as u claim, please tell is which part evolved first?
The human heart or the human blood?
Which appeared first, the chicken or the egg?




Can u please produce evidence to back up ur claim that religion was invented?
Exactly, Where and when?
Be specific.

And life is more than living to the fullest. If everyone is allowed to roam within their "fullest". We would all be dead.
We need God's guidance.




Again if u claim, religion is due to birth influence, then u have to produce evidence to explain its origin.
Or did religion evolve as part of human beigns too?




Even by ur explanation,
The atheist has zero chance.
But the Christian has a larger chance.
And if u know any other God that has been substantiated for beyond doubt more than God, then bring foward the prophecies, scriptures and recorded miracles of that god.
Let us evaluate, bit upon bit. And compare.




Again u make claims of invented God, but u produce no evidence to substantiate ur claim.
How, when and where it was invented.

By the way, u r not an ape.





Sorry Jesus was not white.
Christianity was already into Africa via Ethiopians, Egyptians, nubians etc long before white men started preaching Jesus.
One thing is familiar with all of u, u people purposely never like to be detail.
U mix up summaries and twisted facts and jump the gun to arrive at conclusions and then rush away. Yet claim to be scientific.
And Sorry, which countries exactly are leaving religion behind?

Brigham:

Bro!, what you wrote up there is simply incoherent.

It's either you've a difficulty comprehending or you just want to be mischievous.(no offence)

cloudgoddess:
Sigh

The complexity of the human body and such has been thoroughly explained by evolution by natural selection. No atheist is saying humans magically appeared on earth. It was an extremely gradual, natural process. Please try to learn more about it sincerely from valid sources.

You do not have to have a religion to have hope or purpose in life. Both of those things existed for human beings long before religion (an organized set of beliefs about the world from the perspective of a particular culture) was invented. Living life to the fullest can mean different things for different people, but for the most part we humans all crave healthy, satisfying relationships with people who understand and support us, a reliable source of nourishment & health, meaningful work that makes us feel connected to others and useful to our communities, and expressing our creativity and intellect.

All of those things and more can be had without religion. The only reason you believe religion is necessary for a good life is because you have been brainwashed to think so since birth. You've been psychologically manipulated in a way that causes you to tie everything in life into your belief system, which makes it difficult for you to imagine living without it in any meaningful way. But just because your perspective has been narrowed (again, since birth, so it's very strong conditioning) does not mean that other ways of viewing reality are inferior. You're simply biased in favor of a religious worldview because that's what you've been taught through repitition, social control, & fear.

The last part about a Christian being better off than an atheist if God is real, is a fallacy called Pascal's Wager. Where that argument goes wrong is assuming that there is only one god in question. There are thousands of "possible" gods if we look at all the ones worshipped in human history, and a Christian worshipping the "wrong one" is pretty much just as likely to go to hell as the atheist if he's wrong.

The reason I put "possible" in quotes is because with just a little bit of critical consideration & some facts, it's quite easy to see how gods were invented by human imaginations. They have emotions like anger and wrath, they discriminate, they command war. They supposedly created trillions of planets and stars but are unreasonably invested in one tiny planet inhabited by tiny apes. Their descriptions of nature are completely off scientifically (how peculiar, that a God who supposedly created nature wouldn't be able to accurately describe how nature works). And most of all, have a ton of rules about how these apes should & shouldn't live their lives, most which are clearly barbaric, sexist, & written by ancient men.

Also, the idea that atheism is just for white people is ridiculous, and a clear sign of mental slavery. Especially given the fact that whites were historically the ones who forced Christianity onto Africans in the first place (via slave trade & the stripping of our traditional religions). And now because of their increased knowledge & development they're leaving it behind, while Africans foolishly cling to the religion of their slave traders, thinking they're being smart.

Thermodynamics:



My guy i don't think religion limits and restricts men from using their mental faculties, you can still believe in God and go ahead to do great things, God does not limit you, instead he empowers you with greatness. Religion gives you a sense of hope and a real purpose in life. There are alot of inconsistencies in religion, we can't understand it all because the spiritual realm is beyond our comprehension. I believe that someday God will answer your questions when you meet him, and you will understand and see things differently. You just have to believe blindly(mad faith) and know that his ways and thought are higher than your. It's better to believe in something than nothing, Atheism takes away the hope.

Brigham:

Bro!, what you wrote up there is simply incoherent.

It's either you've a difficulty comprehending or you just want to be mischievous.(no offence)

Read so much crap, men I can't deal.

Are there no intelligent theist on nairaland.

cloudgoddess:
Sigh



Also, the idea that atheism is just for white people is ridiculous, and a clear sign of mental slavery. Especially given the fact that whites were historically the ones who forced Christianity onto Africans in the first place (via slave trade & the stripping of our traditional religions). And now because of their increased knowledge & development they're leaving it behind, while Africans foolishly cling to the religion of their slave traders, thinking they're being smart.

BodyKiss:


Brilliant piece.

The fallacious reasoning by Nigerian Christians that atheism is for white is just too laughable. I wonder how they fail to see the hypocrisy in that statement. The whites brought Christianity to Nigeria, not atheism.

TomHagen:
Dishonest much? Everyone in Africa before the coming of the Europeans believed in one deity or the other while most acknowledged a Supremo as greater than all others.

Thermodynamics:
I am a christian but i am not here to convince you that Christianity is the right religion, what am here to say is that "IT MAKES NO SENSE TO BE AN ATHEIST" i mean just think about the existence of man

the complexity of the human body

the complexity of the brain

how the human mind works, how do you explain the the fact that you are conscious, what about the fact that you have a rational mind, that you can think clearly and be logical and compared to animals

the list is endless. Dont even get me started with the complexities of the universe come on guys, all of these couldn't have happened by chance

, there has to be a creator behind all these. My point is that " IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF GOD THAN TO BELIEVE HE DOESN'T EXIST". Weda be it christian or Muslim or any other religion, it's far better than being an atheist. To believe in something is better than believing in nothing.

Atheism takes away the hope. Why not believe in God, you have nothing to lose.

My next set of paragraphs are excluded to Atheist who choose to denial the existence of God because they are angry at God for not getting them a job or granting their heart desires which in any case will always hold on to their hate and anger towards God claiming to be an Atheist even though they know God exist. They are excluded because they already know of God's existence, they just don't like the idea of being a christian anymore due to personal issues.There is nothing i am going to write now that will change their view towards Christianity or any other religion for that matter.

I would open a special tread for them, for now i am just doing as the spirit leads.

Now to the open minded Atheist:

If you are not still convinced with what i wrote up there, we can go your way. I am quite sure these set of Atheist are very logical and rational human beings, i mean it's because you have done extensive research on the concept of religion and you've found some inconsistencies that's why you don't believe in the existence of a supreme being, okay, let's do this your way, nobody can totally proof that God exist, and of course nobody can also flawlessly proof that God does not exist

even though there are more facts proofing the existence of God".

it's only logical that enternity can only exist in one of the two scenarios:

[b][/b]Case one: A Christian and an Atheist dies and found out that there is no God afterall, well the Atheist will just say, see, i told you God doesn't exist, and that's the end. They both have nothing to lose right?

[b][/b]case two: A Christian and an Atheist dies and found out that there is a God afterall, the christian goes to heaven and the Atheist goes to hell. Who is the loser at the end of the day?, i think you already know .

See, you have absolutely nothing to lose by believing in the existence of God, but stands a chance of losing everything if you don't believe in God. Note, not only Christianity talks about eternal condemnation(hell), other religion do talk about punishment for those who refuse to believe. Choose wisely my fellow Nigerians, stop paying attention to all those oyibo Atheist

think for yourself, this is a very very important decision, probably the most important decision you will ever make in your life, think carefully about what i've just writing a word is enough for a wise.

An Atheist might ask me a personal question, what if there is a God but Christianity turned out to be the wrong religion, well my answer will be, at least i tried, i tried to serve God the best way i could, it's far better than doing nothing. But i know and [b][/b]strongly believe that I am in the right path .

Despite the fact that I was born into a christian family, i got to a point in my life where my rational mind overtook my absolute belief, and i had to stop and question the existence of God. I thought of these things intensively and i came to a conclusion that truly God exist.
I have so much to write to you guys but i am tired of typing.

[/b]Speaking on my religious belief as a christian:

The truth will [b][/b]ALWAYS remain the truth, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. God is very much alive and he is up there watching us, he has been existing long before any of us, the fact that you do not know of his existence will be no excuse. Do your research properly and quickly now that you are still alive. This is a very important decision, one that is not to be toiled with. I believe there is a heaven and a hell, and it is not in my place to question God why he created such a place, he is the creator and he is perfect, that's all i need to know "BLIND FAITH", he [b]knows it all, i believe he will answer every single question we have when we meet him

thats just it. Just do what Ecclesiastes 12:13 says---- let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

Mods please you have to move this to the frontpage, i believe this is a very serious decision everyone has to make please please i beg you in the name of God.

Brigham:

Bro!, what you wrote up there is simply incoherent.

It's either you've a difficulty comprehending or you just want to be mischievous.(no offence)

Read so much crap, men I can't deal.

Are there no intelligent theist on nairaland.

spacyzuma:

This is true.
My mouth was wide open as I read his comment. I couldn't believe it.

GRIMMJOE:
I will advice any sane person to avoid conversations with felixmor1 he is a Lost Psycho- Path

taurus25:
Classical example of an emotional appeal and FEAR OF HELL.

Its very obvious, even if theists try to deny this, that the main reason why many people remain religious that they fear eternal damnation in hell.

Not only is this saddening and pathetic, it is also pityable. Christains have tried severally to rationalize the concept of an all loving god creating hell , by stating that hell wasnt created for man.

However, which ever way you look at it, logically, the concept of hell alone betrays Gods Ominscience and Omnibenovelence.

MrMontella:
Winner01...the piraha people of the amazon jungle have no religion...

MrMontella:

this has been explained..

this has been broken down


thats what researches are for...
It evolved tho..

even animals are conscious..
A bird-brain grasped the ''zero'' concept---a feat which only 3 years old and upwards can achieve..



your definition of chance is misdefined..


what about the deists?
Is God tied to religion?
Hell No!

you really have a wrong perception about atheist bro...

how can you disprove something which was created and given the 3 I's?
i1---Inaudible(generally)
i2---invisible
i3---imperceptible?


oyibo atheists bro?
One has to listen to a white to disbelieve in something?
Is this really what the whites have done to you?
Inferiority?


assuming your version exists...what makes you believe he will answer your questions?
If while on earth and all your talking,gisting,laughing with him he couldnt...
Even when moses asked him of his name---
the supposed name is an ego filled statement like ''mind your business''

*scoffs*

GRIMMJOE:
I will advice any sane person to avoid conversations with felixmor1 he is a Lost Psycho- Path

winner01:
We dont fear Hell, we have no reason to.
We fear God. Fear here is translated from.the word "yirat" which means reverence. We reverence God.

Hell exists and was not created for man. If you wish it away, it does not change anything.

God is all loving and is also a God of Justics.

He is a lamb and He is a lion.

We dont think about hell. I personally dont think about hell as much as I think about heaven.

Do you have any new arguments or is it still this stale arguments you can bring forth

MrMontella:

this has been explained..

this has been broken down


thats what researches are for...
It evolved tho..

even animals are conscious..
A bird-brain grasped the ''zero'' concept---a feat which only 3 years old and upwards can achieve..



your definition of chance is misdefined..


what about the deists?
Is God tied to religion?
Hell No!

you really have a wrong perception about atheist bro...

how can you disprove something which was created and given the 3 I's?
i1---Inaudible(generally)
i2---invisible
i3---imperceptible?


oyibo atheists bro?
One has to listen to a white to disbelieve in something?
Is this really what the whites have done to you?
Inferiority?


assuming your version exists...what makes you believe he will answer your questions?
If while on earth and all your talking,gisting,laughing with him he couldnt...
Even when moses asked him of his name---
the supposed name is an ego filled statement like ''mind your business''

*scoffs*

GRIMMJOE:
I will advice any sane person to avoid conversations with felixmor1 he is a Lost Psycho- Path