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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:52am On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I do not think he will outshine anyone. I just explained that I disagree with the point of dropping Alampasu because of experience. Keepers like Courtois and De Gea got big breaks because coaches looked at their talent, not experience.

You tried your best to paint Alampasu weak. If Alampasu outshines them in camp, it means they are weaker than the weak keeper you tried to paint Alampasu.

My point is simple. Who performs best in camp, should start. No excuses.

Alampasu will very likely not outshine any of the other 2 goalies in camp.

Attention of the coaches would be more on Ezenwa and Akpeyi.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:54am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:


Alampasu will very likely not outshine any of the other 2 goalies in camp.

Attention of the coaches would be more on Ezenwa and Akpeyi.

If he does not Outshine them and he sits on the bench, that is absolutely fine with me. Let the best in camp keep.

Let the best in camp keeps.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:57am On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I disagree with that. Kick that experience talk out. The best in camp keeps. If the experience is so golden, the other keepers should easily Outshine Alampasu. If they can not, then we are opting for a weaker option.

Good morning everyone. Have a nice day.

"Kick that experience talk out"? undecided
Then let us field our U17 team against Algeria.

There is no way Alampasu can even be the best goalie in camp. Because he is not the best.

I repeat, even if Akpeyi and Ezenwa are injured, Alampasu will still not be in goal against Algeria.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 5:59am On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


If he does not Outshine them and he sits on the bench, that is absolutely fine with me. Let the best in camp keep.

Let the best in camp keeps.

Alampasu cannot be the best goalie in camp.

He will not even sit on the bench bc only two goalies make the match day squad.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:26am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:
Alampasu cannot start that game.

It is either Ezenwa or Akpeyi.
Alampasu was just included in the team to train with the goalies and gather some more experience.

Rohr said it that his third choice goalie has to be a much younger person. For the Tanzania and Zambia games it was Emmanuel Daniel.

Even if Ezenwa and Akpeyi are ruled of the Algeria clash due to what soever reason, Alampasu will still not be in goal.
For one, Emmanuel Daniel is even ahead of Alampasu. There are other good goalies in the NPFL like Femi Thomas, Theophilus Afelokhai.

I know it is only one person hear that could have mention Dele Ayenugba. grin
Thank goodness. I was beginning to think I am the lone voice in the wilderness.
I can't believe people want us to play Russian Roulette with Alampasu in Uyo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:32am On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


If he does not Outshine them and he sits on the bench, that is absolutely fine with me. Let the best in camp keep.

Let the best in camp keeps.
I think ure so fixated on tagging Alampasu, Donaruma that you wouldn't mind throwing your toys out of the pram to have him goal.
De Gae and Courtis you mentioned where playing at a high level before they made their debut for Spain and Belgium.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:44am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:
Alampasu cannot start that game.

It is either Ezenwa or Akpeyi.
Alampasu was just included in the team to train with the goalies and gather some more experience.

Rohr said it that his third choice goalie has to be a much younger person. For the Tanzania and Zambia games it was Emmanuel Daniel.

Even if Ezenwa and Akpeyi are ruled of the Algeria clash due to what soever reason, Alampasu will still not be in goal.
For one, Emmanuel Daniel is even ahead of Alampasu. There are other good goalies in the NPFL like Femi Thomas, Theophilus Afelokhai.

I know it is only one person hear that could have mention Dele Ayenugba. grin


So, what happened to Dele Aiyenugba?

Read the posts gently and you will discover there are many.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:30am On Nov 04, 2016
goldfish80:

I think ure so fixated on tagging Alampasu, Donaruma that you wouldn't mind throwing your toys out of the pram to have him goal.
De Gae and Courtis you mentioned where playing at a high level before they made their debut for Spain and Belgium.

I guess you want us to believe De Gea played at a high level before he made his debut for Atletico Madrid at 18. Please. This is not about tagging. It is about the coach given the best performer in camp a Starting position. Not just about Alampasu. I wonder how many times I have to repeat the same thing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:33am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:


Alampasu cannot be the best goalie in camp.

He will not even sit on the bench bc only two goalies make the match day squad.

You do not know if Alampasu will do better in camp. I just want us to kill that experience talk. Who is best in camp takes the role. Making your mind before camping does not work for me.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:36am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:


"Kick that experience talk out"? undecided
Then let us field our U17 team against Algeria.

There is no way Alampasu can even be the best goalie in camp. Because he is not the best.

I repeat, even if Akpeyi and Ezenwa are injured, Alampasu will still not be in goal against Algeria.

I did not say field an U17 team. Field the best in camp. If an U17 Nigerian team will thrash the Current Super Eagles team 6-0 in camp, then they are the better team. I doubt we can bring an U17 team that will come close to our current Super Eagles team, so we are fielding the better team.

It is about Better, Not Experience.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:37am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:


"Kick that experience talk out"? undecided
Then let us field our U17 team against Algeria.

There is no way Alampasu can even be the best goalie in camp. Because he is not the best.

I repeat, even if Akpeyi and Ezenwa are injured, Alampasu will still not be in goal against Algeria.

The decision of who makes the final matchday squad should come after the camp. Not before.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:21am On Nov 04, 2016
Icon4s:


Alampasu cannot be the best goalie in camp.

He will not even sit on the bench bc only two goalies make the match day squad.

If he was playing for arsenal u would be all over him. If it were up to people like u the young will never grow, let me guess he is not as disciplined as the kid at ac milan who is doing well at an even younger age. Cameroon used barca's feeder keeper and it wasn't all doom and gloom, this boy had a clean sheet against porto, he is a regular starter at his club. Oga wat i'm trying to say is u too dey fear, take a chance once in a while and get out of the bubble.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ezeonline2(m): 2:19pm On Nov 04, 2016
Tottenham Hotspur loanee Nabil Bentaleb is racing against the clock to be fit for Algeria’s World Cup qualifier against Nigeria next week. The former France U19 international doubled Schalke’s advantage in their 2-0 win over FC Krasnodar in Group I of the Europa League on Thursday night, but subbed out in the 58th minute after getting a blow on the knee. In the coming hours, Bentaleb will undergo medical examinations to determine the severity of the injury he picked up. It would be a big blow to the Desert Foxes manager Georges Leekens if the central midfielder is ruled out of the trip to Nigeria, with Bordeaux midfielder Ounas out of contention and Leicester City star Slimani battling to be fit. Nigeria had only one injury worry before their biggest game since facing France in the second round of the 2014 World Cup and have called up a replacement for Wolves goalkeeper Carl Ikeme. Www.allnigeriasoccer.com
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:08pm On Nov 04, 2016
I endorse this post..... Well said!

Just the way I like it because it is actually THE TRUTH!

BascoVanVeli:


If he was playing for arsenal u would be all over him. If it were up to people like u the young will never grow, let me guess he is not as disciplined as the kid at ac milan who is doing well at an even younger age. Cameroon used barca's feeder keeper and it wasn't all doom and gloom, this boy had a clean sheet against porto, he is a regular starter at his club. Oga wat i'm trying to say is u too dey fear, take a chance once in a while and get out of the bubble.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:10pm On Nov 04, 2016
Exactly! Better NOT Experience... This experience talk have always been overrated. Experience is important but IS NEVER THE ULTIMATE.


AND EXPERIENCE IS NEVER THE BEST TEACHER.

TheGoodJoe:


I did not say field an U17 team. Field the best in camp. If an U17 Nigerian team will thrash the Current Super Eagles team 6-0 in camp, then they are the better team. I doubt we can bring an U17 team that will come close to our current Super Eagles team, so we are fielding the better team.

It is about Better, Not Experience.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 3:32pm On Nov 04, 2016
I wonder if the coach of the finest ever U-17 side in history is wrong to say this about Alampasu... I share his thoughts too even I know Rohr won't play him because of many Nigerians' tendency of a heart attack. Seeing Alampasu in goal will kill some even before the match starts... Such lack of faith... sad
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Alampasu Should Be In Goal Against Algeria-
Nigeria Coach Confident He Won’t Disappoint





Following the exclusion of goalkepper Carl Ikeme from the Super Eagles squad for the World Cup 2018 tie against Algeria in Uyo, one of the other goalkeppers in the list Dele Alampasu has been backed to man the post.


Alampasu who is on loan to Portuguese third
division side Cesarense from top division side
Feirense has caught the eyes in the six games, he has played so far in the league.


The 19 year old who was voted the best
goalkeeper at the 2013 U-17 World Youth
Championship face stiff competition from the
experienced duo of Daniel Akpeyi and Ikechukwu Ezenwa, if he is to be between the sticks on the 12th of November.


However, Nigeria U-17 coach Manu Garba , the
coach who trusted him with the number one spot at the World Youth Championship that catapulted him to fame three years ago believes he has the quality to fill in for the injured Ikeme.


”He is a natural shot stopper. He won’t be
intimidated by the opposition, his confidence
between the sticks is rare. If selected he won’t
disappoint, am confident in his abilities” He told
Owngoalnigeria.com.


”People talk about his lack of experience but he
has been in Europe for two years. How many
young African goalkeppers are in Europe? It tells
you his quality.”

Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/11/04/alampasu-should-be-in-goal-against-algeria-nigeria-coach-confident-he-wont-disappoint/
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jefersoun: 3:46pm On Nov 04, 2016
I think Alampasu is a great talent, but considering the variables, akpeyi should be between the sticks. Alampasu has never kept for the SE in a competitive match of such magnitude. There is no much room for mistake in this world cup qualifier due to the limited games, which can make alampasu feel a bit nervous and shaky. But you can't compare it with club football where there are a lot of games and room to correct your mistakes, which makes you feel a bit relax and confident. So I think we should go with Akpeyi. We can try Alampasu in other less tensed games for a start.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:03pm On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


I disagree with that. Kick that experience talk out. The best in camp keeps. If the experience is so golden, the other keepers should easily Outshine Alampasu. If they can not, then we are opting for a weaker option.

Good morning everyone. Have a nice day.
But a young goal keeper can be excellent in training and still get overwhelmed in that kind of match.

I can tell you that no good coach will gamble him like that against a very important match like Algeria. Even Onigbinde only played Enyeama against England after we had been out of the World Cup.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:07pm On Nov 04, 2016
BascoVanVeli:


If he was playing for arsenal u would be all over him. If it were up to people like u the young will never grow, let me guess he is not as disciplined as the kid at ac milan who is doing well at an even younger age. Cameroon used barca's feeder keeper and it wasn't all doom and gloom, this boy had a clean sheet against porto, he is a regular starter at his club. Oga wat i'm trying to say is u too dey fear, take a chance once in a while and get out of the bubble.
You miss the point: If he was keeping for Arsenal, he would not be a rookie with that kind of experience. He would have been used to handling very good opposition and the crowd that comes with it. Dele does not have the experience for such an important match. There is no way Rohr will gamble Dele in that match.

We can't leave things to chances.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:16pm On Nov 04, 2016
I like Alampasu but for this game, any keeper that makes a mistake might never be forgiven. I think, it is too early for him to suffer that. The stakes are too high.

If we have qualified before the last game in Algeria, i will start prospects like Alampasu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 4:17pm On Nov 04, 2016
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:18pm On Nov 04, 2016
joseph1013:
But a young goal keeper can be excellent in training and still get overwhelmed in that kind of match.

I can tell you that no good coach will gamble him like that against a very important match like Algeria. Even Onigbinde only played Enyeama against England after we had been out of the World Cup.

And an experienced keeper can fumble during matches. Ask Peter Rufai, Ask Joe Hart, Ask David James.

Keepers like De Gea and Courtois showed a young keeper can deal with the pressure. We are talking of a team with Iheanacho and Iwobi, U21 players as some of the star players.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:21pm On Nov 04, 2016
tbaba1234:
I like Alampasu but for this game, any keeper that makes a mistake might never be forgiven. I think, it is too early for him to suffer that. The stakes are too high.

If we have qualified before the last game in Algeria, i will start prospects like Alampasu.


As for me, the point is simple. We need the best goalkeeper in camp.

Unless we are not interested in fielding our best team.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:23pm On Nov 04, 2016
joseph1013:
You miss the point: If he was keeping for Arsenal, he would not be a rookie with that kind of experience. He would have been used to handling very good opposition and the crowd that comes with it. Dele does not have the experience for such an important match. There is no way Rohr will gamble Dele in that match.

We can't leave things to chances.

If Alampasu shows better form than the other goalkeepers in camp and the coach chooses to drop him for a weaker performer in camp, is that not leaving things to chance? Hoping the weaker keeper does during the game what he could not do in training?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 4:26pm On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


As for me, the point is simple. We need the best goalkeeper in camp.

Unless we are not interested in fielding our best team.

Even if Alampasu has a great camp, he can still freeze up in the real match situation. The other players have dealt with bigger stages.

It is a risk that the coach will be unwilling to take.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:30pm On Nov 04, 2016
tbaba1234:


Even if Alampasu has a great camp, he can still freeze up in the real match situation. The other players have dealt with bigger stages.

It is a risk that the coach will be unwilling to take.


Why are you guys always keen on "can freeze"? Even experience goalkeepers and players freeze. Not just young keepers. Any keeper can have a bad day. What counts is how well a team prepared.

Opting for a weaker choice will mean going with a less quality keeper. Hart, James and co. disappointed on big stages. So making it look as if it is only young players that disappoint does not add up.

We go with the best choice in camp, after drills and scrimmage games.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jefersoun: 4:45pm On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


Why are you guys always keen on "can freeze"? Even experience goalkeepers and players freeze. Not just young keepers. Any keeper can have a bad day. What counts is how well a team prepared.

Opting for a weaker choice will mean going with a less quality keeper. Hart, James and co. disappointed on big stages. So making it look as if it is only young players that disappoint does not add up.

We go with the best choice in camp, after drills and scrimmage games.
The probability of it happening to Alampasu is higher than Akpeyi, just as in the early matches of U17 world cup. People tend to get a bit jittery or nervous when embarking on a new challenge.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:48pm On Nov 04, 2016
Every football coaching decision is a risk. Just that some are more acceptable or sane than others.

But all are risks.

tbaba1234:


Even if Alampasu has a great camp, he can still freeze up in the real match situation. The other players have dealt with bigger stages.

It is a risk that the coach will be unwilling to take.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:50pm On Nov 04, 2016
And Akpeyi at the Olympics nko?? Who an Emma Daniel benched eventually.....

Akpeyi was brought as an overage but got benched by a "rookie" for the same "jittery" you tag on Alampasu.

All na risk... Akpeyi, Ezenwa or Alampasu... All na risk. Period!!!


Jefersoun:
The probability of it happening to Alampasu is higher than Akpeyi, just as in the early matches of U17 world cup. People tend to get a bit jittery or nervous when embarking on a new challenge.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:59pm On Nov 04, 2016
Jefersoun:
The probability of it happening to Alampasu is higher than Akpeyi, just as in the early matches of U17 world cup. People tend to get a bit jittery or nervous when embarking on a new challenge.

We have had many youngsters perform outstandingly on big stages for the first time.

Play the best talent. Leave other factors that have no concrete backing.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:59pm On Nov 04, 2016
TheGoodJoe:


And an experienced keeper can fumble during matches. Ask Peter Rufai, Ask Joe Hart, Ask David James.

Keepers like De Gea and Courtois showed a young keeper can deal with the pressure. We are talking of a team with Iheanacho and Iwobi, U21 players as some of the star players.
This is no point. The best players fumble occasionally. Messi, Neymar, Suarez were reduced to weaklings against City in the second half of Tuesday's match. Ronaldo messed up on Wednesday.

A green-horn is never used in a very important match except there is no other option. You're talking about de Gea and Courtois forgetting that club is different from country, and that they were not called up to their national teams until they had played really good oppositions and have handled great pressures. Abeg, leave talk.

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