Live within your means.

EOD

Gerrard59:


Unfortunately, most Nigerians have a different of pride. I say it (the topic's title) to anyone who cares to hear. Hearing is the individual's prerogative.

Okay

The Nigerian mentality is a bad one and one which I don't like. However, when one gets proper education from the best schools, the effect is minimal. This I have seen. Madam, good/quality education anywhere is not CHEAP. Whether in Singapore, UK, US, Japan, South Africa. Just anywhere. It's not cheap. This is where the government needs to come in (improving public education), however, resources are scarce, corruption rife, plenty mouths to feed. How possible is it?

Sir you arent saying anything new that we haven't heard before, it is the usual talk and it is also part of the 'Nigerian mentality' you want to purge yourself of desperately.

It is in Nigeria that good/quality education is proportional with expensive schools, and do you know why? It's because we are used to categorizing ourselves into groups that differentiates us from one another so we can feel superior in some way:

If it isn't I live in the south and you are a Northerner, it is I live in Lagos and you live in Akwa Ibom. Even inside Lagos, it is I live on the island and you live on the mainland.
If it isn't I attend a private university and you attend a public university, it is I work for ExxonMobil and you are a civil servant. Etc.

About education, yes good education can be expensive but it's not ONLY expensive education that is good education.
Go take a look at the list of 10 most expensive universities in the world and compare that with the list of 10 best (research and educational quality) schools in the world, then count how many you see on both lists.

Someone who hasn't eaten properly wants to keep procreating because he "wants" a male child to carry the "name"?? No investments, proper training, right environment (for good upbringing) and you support the individual to keep procreating? Wow. He doesn't "like" the female gender because "she" cannot carry the name, but wants a male child - yet he cannot buy pampers for the baby he has now. This is my problem with leftism. Hopefully, you'd be there to take care of his potential "battalion". Can you please tell me, what's wrong in him undergoing a vasectomy?

Someone who you say hasn't eaten properly can afford to have a vasectomy of course. SMH

And no, i do not support people procreating without the required finances to cater to multiple children. What I am telling you is that you do not have the right to tell them to stop if they're not begging you to help train these kids.

I saw a place where you said you didn't offer assistance to someone or some family because they gave birth to children they can't cater for, well sir you are not the only one capable of rendering assistance to less privileged people. YOU DON'T WANT TO, OTHER PEOPLE WILL.

Because a book is on the internet - free to read - doesn't mean I should encourage piracy. If the book is free worldwide, I will read. However, I promote intellectual property and its gains. So I pay for it, and it didn't come cheap. At bolded, that's why e no better for democracy. As for the rest, your prerogative to say whatever you like. I knew from the onset that the thread will evoke emotions, but I had to do it.

Please stop, you are not conversing like a person who claims to be well educated.apologies, no offence intended.

You said good books are expensive, i said you can find that book you mentioned on the internet for FREE. You can also find millions of good books on the internet for free, and this kills your opinion.
Whether it was put there by pirates or the authors themselves is not the issue.
It's the same Nigerian mentality which equates 'expensive' to 'being better', that makes you say that.

Your thread may be noble in intent, but that's where it ends. You've not shown that you really understand what you're saying neither have you made cogent fail-proof submissions to back your opinions.
All you've done is tell us you have quality education and how this means you now have the solution to overpopulation as well as poverty. (and I have a feeling that this quality education you've been touting to have isn't even from Stanford, Cambridge, or MIT)

Gerrard59:


Yes, but their economic position and intellect should be ascertained before marriage. That's my stance.



https://www.nairaland.com/3451811/jobless-graduate-welcomes-set-triplets


You see what I'm saying. Not one, not two, but three!!!!!!!

Advise them to undergo vasectomy and hysterectomy, they'll say I'm a class act. Whatever that implies



By bringing another set to come and suffer? What's your definition of happiness? Castrate myself? Intelligent beings should in fact be paid for procreation. We're doing the society good.

You actually do think you're intelligent?

Anyway, do you the last person that had this kind of idea you're postulating?

That's right. Adolf Hitler. Ever heard of him? It didn't go too well for him in the end.

So because you feel you're wealthy others who don't measure up to your "wealth" should be castrated?

What if we say all Africans are an inherently inferior race so they should all be exterminated, would you buy that logic too?

Now you see why I said we should start the castration with you.

missjo:

Okay


Sir you arent saying anything new that we haven't heard before, it is the usual talk and it is also part of the 'Nigerian mentality' you want to purge yourself of desperately.

It is in Nigeria that good/quality education is proportional with expensive schools, and do you know why? It's because we are used to categorizing ourselves into groups that differentiates us from one another so we can feel superior in some way:

If it isn't I live in the south and you are a Northerner, it is I live in Lagos and you live in Akwa Ibom. Even inside Lagos, it is I live on the island and you live on the mainland.
If it isn't I attend a private university and you attend a public university, it is I work for ExxonMobil and you are a civil servant. Etc.

About education, yes good education can be expensive but it's not ONLY expensive education that is good education.
Go take a look at the list of 10 most expensive universities in the world and compare that with the list of 10 best (research and educational quality) schools in the world, then count how many you see on both lists.



Someone who you say hasn't eaten properly can afford to have a vasectomy of course. SMH

And no, i do not support people procreating without the required finances to cater to multiple children. What I am telling you is that you do not have the right to tell them to stop if they're not begging you to help train these kids.

I saw a place where you said you didn't offer assistance to someone or some family because they gave birth to children they can't cater for, well sir you are not the only one capable of rendering assistance to less privileged people. YOU DON'T WANT TO, OTHER PEOPLE WILL.



Please stop, you are not conversing like a person who claims to be well educated.apologies, no offence intended.

You said good books are expensive, i said you can find that book you mentioned on the internet for FREE. You can also find millions of good books on the internet for free, and this kills your opinion.
Whether it was put there by pirates or the authors themselves is not the issue.
It's the same Nigerian mentality which equates 'expensive' to 'being better', that makes you say that.

Your thread may be noble in intent, but that's where it ends. You've not shown that you really understand what you're saying neither have you made cogent fail-proof submissions to back your opinions.
All you've done is tell us you have quality education and how this means you now have the solution to overpopulation as well as poverty. (and I have a feeling that this quality education you've been touting to have isn't even from Stanford, Cambridge, or MIT)

See finishing!!

Well done!

missjo:

Okay


Sir you arent saying anything new that we haven't heard before, it is the usual talk and it is also part of the 'Nigerian mentality' you want to purge yourself of desperately.

It is in Nigeria that good/quality education is proportional with expensive schools, and do you know why? It's because we are used to categorizing ourselves into groups that differentiates us from one another so we can feel superior in some way:

If it isn't I live in the south and you are a Northerner, it is I live in Lagos and you live in Akwa Ibom. Even inside Lagos, it is I live on the island and you live on the mainland.
If it isn't I attend a private university and you attend a public university, it is I work for ExxonMobil and you are a civil servant. Etc.

About education, yes good education can be expensive but it's not ONLY expensive education that is good education.
Go take a look at the list of 10 most expensive universities in the world and compare that with the list of 10 best (research and educational quality) schools in the world, then count how many you see on both lists.



Someone who you say hasn't eaten properly can afford to have a vasectomy of course. SMH

And no, i do not support people procreating without the required finances to cater to multiple children. What I am telling you is that you do not have the right to tell them to stop if they're not begging you to help train these kids.

I saw a place where you said you didn't offer assistance to someone or some family because they gave birth to children they can't cater for, well sir you are not the only one capable of rendering assistance to less privileged people. YOU DON'T WANT TO, OTHER PEOPLE WILL.



Please stop, you are not conversing like a person who claims to be well educated.apologies, no offence intended.

You said good books are expensive, i said you can find that book you mentioned on the internet for FREE. You can also find millions of good books on the internet for free, and this kills your opinion.
Whether it was put there by pirates or the authors themselves is not the issue.
It's the same Nigerian mentality which equates 'expensive' to 'being better', that makes you say that.

Your thread may be noble in intent, but that's where it ends. You've not shown that you really understand what you're saying neither have you made cogent fail-proof submissions to back your opinions.
All you've done is tell us you have quality education and how this means you now have the solution to overpopulation as well as poverty. (and I have a feeling that this quality education you've been touting to have isn't even from Stanford, Cambridge, or MIT)

Yes, it's so because the government hasn't done much to improve the education system as a result of corruption, decadence everywhere and yes, a population too large to handle and find benefits. I never said it's only expensive education that's good (I said good education doesn't come cheap), after all, the best schools charge "less" to their citizens (who give birth to children they can take care of)

So because I don't have such "rights", he should be supported to be procreating children anyhow? Is not the same society that we reside in? You know the consequences, right? Obviously, I'm not the only that can offer help, however, what help is better than telling him to STOP procreating? Even if he must, why not after when things improve?. Vasectomy as used here is to illustrate the need for him to understand his situation, he can as well utilize condom. Same thing I'm advocating was done in Singapore and she got better for it. I'm solving the problem from the root.

Anyone can see my views from whatever angle s/he prefers, but families that have the right amount of children commiserate with their economic standing tend to be more comfortable and plan their lives accordingly. People should give birth to children they can adequately take proper care of.

OP, WHO YOU EPP?

Your opinions are impractical, and just one way.

What I found funny was you being a snob towards other schools and even comparing your otupuyoyo school to Eton, and your CU to Oxford.
You're comparing those rich countries to Naija, and yet conveniently forgot to mention the social welfare, free schools, free education of good quality in those countries. The countries may be rich, but their citizens are not rich. Most are just struggling, and their burdens are often time eased off by the govt what has provided free education, free access to health, facilities to get mortgage for housing, access to student loans, scholarships for deserving students etc
I'm sure you don't pay your taxes yet you're making all these noise. If you now start paying correct tax like 35 to 40 % of your earnings, you will kukuma ask that poor people should not be allowed to have access to oxygen ke.
Meanwhile, you can get your own police to be picking poor and unintelligent people off the streets to start sterilising them...
All these energy you're exerting on poor people matter, why not use same to make your govt accountable

eyinjuege:
OP, WHO YOU EPP?

Your opinions are impractical, and just one way.

What I found funny was you being a snob towards other schools and even comparing your otupuyoyo school to Eton, and your CU to Oxford.
[/b]You're comparing those rich countries to Naija[b], and yet conveniently forgot to mention the social welfare, free schools, free education of good quality in those countries. The countries may be rich, but their citizens are not rich. Most are just struggling, and their burdens are often time eased off by the govt what has provided free education, free access to health, facilities to get mortgage for housing, access to student loans, scholarships for deserving students etc
I'm sure you don't pay your taxes yet you're making all these noise. If you now start paying correct tax like 35 to 40 % of your earnings, you will kukuma ask that poor people should not be allowed to have access to oxygen ke.
Meanwhile, you can get your own police to be picking poor and unintelligent people off the streets to start sterilising them...
All these energy you're exerting on poor people matter, why not use same to make your govt accountable

Firstly, I never said I went or go to CU (don't put words into my hands), neither did I say the schools mentioned in Nigeria were to be compared to Eton. I said "before someone gets to say it's only in Nigeria such occurs" look at other examples worldwide. If you had read properly, you'll see where I even praised BIC than any secondary school. At the bolded, I'm very sure you didn't read and comprehend properly when I said "People should know the country they are in". How's that comparison? It's a warning. Why give birth anyhow when our governments don't care? Holding government accountable? It's what I do everyday, online and offline. I don't pay taxes? Laughable. I pay individual taxes, state taxes, FIRS annually.

Gerrard59:


Firstly, I never said I went or go to CU (don't put words into my hands), neither did I say the schools mentioned in Nigeria were to be compared to Eton. I said "before someone gets to say it's only in Nigeria such occurs" look at other examples worldwide. If you had read properly, you'll see where I even praised BIC than any secondary school. At the bolded, I'm very sure you didn't read and comprehend properly when I said "People should know the country they are in". How's that comparison? It's a warning. Why give birth anyhow when our governments don't care? Holding government accountable? It's what I do everyday, online and offline. I don't pay taxes? Laughable. I pay individual taxes, state taxes, FIRS annually.

Talk is cheap. We know most Nigerians are tax evaders especially the rich. The taxes sef are minimal, less than 20%.
Pls, hold your govt accountable. Let them use your taxes on what they should. You and I know the govt are not using your taxes for any poor person. The public schools , govt hospitals are all in a state. Your taxes are not been used for anyone of the so called poor you deride. No one's on social benefits, money is not being spent on the public schools the poor can even go, even the govt hospitals that both poor and rich go to are all underfunded, no poor person is collecting housing benefits.
So the question again is who you EPP?
So face your front, and leave poor people alone o. Provided they're not begging you to give them money to raise their children.
Go and face the rich, particularly those thieves and their relatives who are stealing the country blind, giving their own children scholarships (imagine, the rich still influence scholarships for their own in Naija despite being able to afford any school in the world), go and face them and their children and start sterilising them. Enough of tainted blood in our society. Enough of the blood of thieves and looters around us. Yes, begin to sterilise them as like begets like. They will only raise more intelligent thieves.

eyinjuege:


Pls, hold your govt accountable. Let them use your taxes on what they should. You and I know the govt are not using your taxes for any poor person. The public schools , govt hospitals are all in a state. Your taxes are not been used for anyone of the so called poor you deride. No one's on social benefits, money is not being spent on the public schools the poor can even go, even the govt hospitals that both poor and rich go to are all underfunded.

Actually, this is not true, Govt has used money on Healthcare in the past. Hospitals in Nigeria got massive funding for the past 2 decades. It is of recent money ran out. Who stole it? The workers. From CMDs down to the pharmacists. Example: Fashola started free malaria treatment for children and the elderly. Go to GH, they will tell you that the drugs are finished. The private pharmacy nearby is selling them. That is lower-income people doing that to other lower-income people. Private individuals have tried to donate millions in equipment to LUTH, their board and CMD keep appropriating it to their own private hospitals. Someone looked into how much LUTH had gotten from Govt in the past. He nearly wept. Meamwhile, all the workers at these hospitals are joining you to scream "corruption is killing Nigeria". El-Rufai paid midnight surprise visit to a hospital and they rushed to switch on the gen, meanwhile they collect allocation that the gen is on nightly. The same thing happened in public schools, the people organising the theft are not Commissioners. People have tried endowing certain departments in UNILAG, Senate committee will them to hand the money over, they will deploy as they deem fit (if part of the money miss road, oh well!). 3 people will attend a meeting, Level 12 Govt employee will direct her subordinate to write 5 people went and collect the allocation given and worse, pocket the lion's share and give only N15k to the 3 who actually attended the meeting. And she too cried "corruption is killing Nigeria".

Our taxes will not seem to be working when everyone in the system is gaming it. And these people are lower-income people, doing the same things Senators are doing. The day you decide to run a Govt office honestly as their boss, every single junior worker will hate you and frustrate your life. But they too, will come out and complain "corruption is killing Nigeria".

Gerrad59, you are entitled to your opinion but I think you should have found a way of expressing it without sounding derogatory to some set of people.

Too many unneccesary statements and words in my opinion.

People with low IQ should not get married

Anyway, there will always be poor people.

yetseyi:
Gerrad59, you are entitled to your opinion but I think you should have found a way of expressing it without sounding derogatory to some set of people.

Too many unneccesary statements and words in my opinion.

[/b]People with low IQ should not get married [b]

Yes. It might sound harsh, but that's it. Singapore did same, where are they today?

Gerrard59:


Yes. It might sound harsh, but that's it. Singapore did same, where are they today?

And you think it will work in Nigeria?

Gerrard59:
With genetics, all can be eradicated. The society needs more intelligence (the article I posted says it all), morality is subjective. Morality doesn't proeries, engineering wonders, internet, infrastructure and many things the world is enjoying today. I'm all for intelligence, IQ.

I have 2 - rather long - points to make in response.

The first is about morality, which you claim to be “subjective”. In that case, then wholesale looting of state funds is not necessarily wrong is it?

You see, you pour your ire and condescension on the poor (less privileged) and the supposed low IQ (less gifted), seeking to re-engineer and eliminate those and them, totally ignoring character attributes, like altruism, compassion, meekness, humility, forebearanace, self-sacrifice and honesty.

Regardless of how intelligent or rich we are, if we had those qualities in abundance, along with a structured morality, there would be no societal problems.

Those qualities – not intelligence or wealth – are what make humans higher beings. And it’s those qualities that will give succour to the “less”, edifying and lifting them up, rather than denigrating and dehumanising them. Funnily enough even wild beasts manage to exhibit them to some degree.

There is more than enough to go round and for all to live at least decent lives. The problems are greed, selfishness, wickedness, pride and condescension etc. Why not focus any genetic engineering (or other solution) on these?

Until you rid mankind of these, all solutions are doomed to failure, as they will inevitably creep in and ruin whatever solution and/or model is implemented.

Every form of governance, and all forms of intervention to actualise an utopian society is futile. The fallen nature of man will never allow it. Until He comes to establish His kingdom

The second, is about genetic engineering. You can’t replicate or improve on Gods work. Even if every single gene could be isolated, you still have to figure out the interplay between them all. You still have to understand how to make changes you deem positive without unintentionally making others you deem negative.

And like I said before, you won’t even be able to get consensus on what and how much. Should other factors besides wealth and IQ be engineered for. Do we do away with those “less able”, or “less gifted” in other ways?

Further, you are not only working with an imperfect genome (I guess it hasn’t been perfect since Adam, who was highly intelligent and so rich it literally had no meaning ), you are working with one that continues to deteriorate.

It’s been estimated that given the rate of gene mutation and deletions, working backwards, we’d have had a perfect genome about 6 thousand years or so ago . The deletions will continue, abilities, form and gifts will continue to wane or suffer from genomic disease.

Anyway, as my Jamo friends say, “e caaan done”. The scientific and technological strides mankind have made means there is pretty much nothing beyond us. If we had and, deployed the right character attributes, giving succour to the less gifted, able or privileged would be a joy and a privilege.

Instead, the conceited and prideful come up with grandiose schemes to herd human beings, Gods creatures, like cattle and eliminate them – an increasingly familiar theme in an increasingly godless time. For which morality indeed has to be subjective.

I rest assured and take my peace from the fact that a time is coming when indeed, there will be none poor – all will live in mansions. And there will be none, less able or less privileged. More so, in that there will be none godless, wicked and amoral.

Maranatha Lord Jesus.


TV
^{“Those who don’t believe God, will believe they are God – and for such, there is no remedy” TV01 2016}

Onegai:

Actually, this is not true, Govt has used money on Healthcare in the past. Hospitals in Nigeria got massive funding for the past 2 decades. It is of recent money ran out. Who stole it? The workers. From CMDs down to the pharmacists. Example: Fashola started free malaria treatment for children and the elderly. Go to GH, they will tell you that the drugs are finished. The private pharmacy nearby is selling them. That is lower-income people doing that to other lower-income people.

Free malaria treatment was started by the FGN, and funded by NGOs for everybody, and not just the extremes of life.
Fashola started the free treatment of all ailments for both the young and the old, but guess what? It's not being funded. If you'rehaving surgeries in some gen hospitals as an elderly or young child, you're only going to be exempted from half of the cost of the procedure itself and the anaesthetic. You pay half of that and the full costs of other expenses.
Hospitals are expected to raise funds, to do that. Is it not from those same people they will raise the funds from? Of course they will just stock up on paracetamol, and a few cheap antibiotics and if that's finished ,thats it. It was all mouth, and propaganda. Of course .[/quote]

Onegai:

Private individuals have tried to donate millions in equipment to LUTH, their board and CMD keep appropriating it to their own private hospitals. Someone looked into how much LUTH had gotten from Govt in the past. He nearly wept. Meamwhile, all the workers at these hospitals are joining you to scream "corruption is killing Nigeria". El-Rufai paid midnight surprise visit to a hospital and they rushed to switch on the gen, meanwhile they collect allocation that the gen is on nightly. The same thing happened in public schools, the people organising the theft are not Commissioners. People have tried endowing certain departments in UNILAG, Senate committee will them to hand the money over, they will deploy as they deem fit (if part of the money miss road, oh well!). 3 people will attend a meeting, Level 12 Govt employee will direct her subordinate to write 5 people went and collect the allocation given and worse, pocket the lion's share and give only N15k to the 3 who actually attended the meeting. And she too cried "corruption is killing Nigeria".
Our taxes will not seem to be working when everyone in the system is gaming it. And these people are lower-income people, doing the same things Senators are doing. The day you decide to run a Govt office honestly as their boss, every single junior worker will hate you and frustrate your life. But they too, will come out and complain "corruption is killing Nigeria".

All those you've listed are civil servants and co and they're definitely not poor people. They are the regular Joe and Jane like you and the OP.
It is still the ultimate responsibility of the govt to punish corrupt individuals the way they are doing some of those in the justice system now. It's the govts responsibility to ensure accountability in its staff. Why haven't those CMDs and all those other corrupt people in civil service been punished? Because they wine and dine with your govt. They were put their by your govt. They are the govt and a law unto themselves. Any govt with the lack of a political will cannot tackle corruption.
If you think those in civil service are poor, then you need to rethink. They're not wealthy btw, but most (especially those that are in the position to steal) can afford to take care of their children. A CMD/Prof for example can afford to send his children to schools the OP went to, but however may not be able to send them to Brit int school without stealing. So also his junior staff may not be able to send the kids to OPs alumni but will still send the kids to school However, taking care of their children according to the OPs standards of Eton, BIS, et al is what will make them steal

eyinjuege:

Free malaria treatment was started by the FGN, and funded by NGOs for everybody, and not just the extremes of life.
Fashola started the free treatment of all ailments for both the young and the old, but guess what? It's not being funded. If you'rehaving surgeries in some gen hospitals as an elderly or young child, you're only going to be exempted from half of the cost of the procedure itself and the anaesthetic. You pay half of that and the full costs of other expenses.
Hospitals are expected to raise funds, to do that. Is it not from those same people they will raise the funds from? Of course they will just stock up on paracetamol, and a few cheap antibiotics and if that's finished ,thats it. It was all mouth, and propaganda. Of course .

Private individuals have tried to donate millions in equipment to LUTH, their board and CMD keep appropriating it to their own private hospitals. Someone looked into how much LUTH had gotten from Govt in the past. He nearly wept. Meamwhile, all the workers at these hospitals are joining you to scream "corruption is killing Nigeria". El-Rufai paid midnight surprise visit to a hospital and they rushed to switch on the gen, meanwhile they collect allocation that the gen is on nightly. The same thing happened in public schools, the people organising the theft are not Commissioners. People have tried endowing certain departments in UNILAG, Senate committee will them to hand the money over, they will deploy as they deem fit (if part of the money miss road, oh well!). 3 people will attend a meeting, Level 12 Govt employee will direct her subordinate to write 5 people went and collect the allocation given and worse, pocket the lion's share and give only N15k to the 3 who actually attended the meeting. And she too cried "corruption is killing Nigeria".
Our taxes will not seem to be working when everyone in the system is gaming it. And these people are lower-income people, doing the same things Senators are doing. The day you decide to run a Govt office honestly as their boss, every single junior worker will hate you and frustrate your life. But they too, will come out and complain "corruption is killing Nigeria".
All those you've listed are civil servants and co and they're definitely not poor people. They are the regular Joe and Jane like you and the OP.
It is still the ultimate responsibility of the govt to punish corrupt individuals the way they are doing some of those in the justice system now. It's the govts responsibility to ensure accountability in its staff. Why haven't those CMDs and all those other corrupt people in civil service been punished? Because they wine and dine with your govt. They were put their by your govt. They are the govt and a law unto themselves. Any govt with the lack of a political will cannot tackle corruption.
If you think those in civil service are poor, then you need to rethink. They're not wealthy btw, but most (especially those that are in the position to steal) can afford to take care of their children. A CMD/Prof for example can afford to send his children to schools the OP went to, but however may not be able to send them to Brit int school without stealing. So also his junior staff may not be able to send the kids to OPs alumni but will still send the kids to school However, taking care of their children according to the OPs standards of Eton, BIS, et al is what will make them steal

I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying. I worked with them, people I know worked on the Free Malaria program, people I know are working in GHs and LUTH till tomorrow and I knew pharmacists, Doctors and more who felt bad about what was going on. And most of the corruption was not being done by connected individuals. Patients constantly made poor decisions (we fed a child whose parents left her to starve on admission whilst they threw owambe to celebrate the son they had been trying for since. My siblings came home in bruises because awon boys brought their leader, stabbed and bleeding and when they were told to go to Blood bank and buy blood, reacted by beating up doctors and nurses. I guess those behaviours are the fault of Govt! No problem, let us sit down and wait for Govt to "do their job", we all have nothing to do with it). And if those stealing were all "wining and dining" with govt, I would certainly be amazed. Or maybe all the ghost workers were all commissioners. You can keep attacking the OP, he is guilty of expressing himself very badly. The actual idea behind his words is something that bears thought: Don't have kids you cannot afford to take care of. Nobody can judge who is intelligent or not to have children because there everyone has different criteria but everyone knows it is dangerous to have a large, poor, uneducated and unemployed population. Just ask the North.

yetseyi:


And you think it will work in Nigeria?

Yes it can work. However, sentiments coupled with excessive religiousity are our problems. Imagine people on the triplets thread supporting the man for bringing innocent children to suffer?
Yet, when I proffer solutions, people say I'm proud.


@TV01, nice points you posited. However, humans are greedy by nature.

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Gerrard59, the truth is, you expressed your ideas badly. Your criteria cannot work because there are wealthy people who choose not to have any children and by their definition, you're probably poor. There are intelligent people who believe in Eugenics and by their definition, Eugenics programs should start in Africa (seriously, can you blame them ). What Govt should do is start sensitising people: Family Planning. Which they already do. But we are sentimental in this part of the world and view that as an abomination. Every doctor will tell you that it very hard to convince people here to do a vasectomy after having multiple kids. Infact, I think the Catholic church is more successful teaching Billings method of Family Planning than the Govt offering feee IUDs. That unemployed corper with the triplets, if someone offers him a job and says "this job is dependent on you and your wife going on a Family Planning program", people will scream that you are forcing your choices on him. Which is why you keep out of it: don't force your choices on others, but don't support choices you don't believe in. I believe in free Healthcare for all and Family Planning is part of Healthcare.

Onegai:
Gerrard59, the truth is, you expressed your ideas badly. Your criteria cannot work because there are wealthy people who choose not to have any children and by their definition, you're probably poor. There are intelligent people who believe in Eugenics and by their definition, Eugenics programs should start in Africa (seriously, can you blame them ). What Govt should do is start sensitising people: Family Planning. Which they already do. But we are sentimental in this part of the world and view that as an abomination. Every doctor will tell you that it very hard to convince people here to do a vasectomy after having multiple kids. Infact, I think the Catholic church is more successful teaching Billings method of Family Planning than the Govt offering feee IUDs. That unemployed corper with the triplets, if someone offers him a job and says "this job is dependent on you and your wife going on a Family Planning program", people will scream that you are forcing your choices on him. Which is why you keep out of it: don't force your choices on others, but don't support choices you don't believe in. I believe in free Healthcare for all and Family Planning is part of Healthcare.

OK. I concede I was quite harsh but can you really blame me when I see these things almost on daily basis? The other day, a car almost hit a girl some what my sister's age as she was trying to sell pure water. Another one, by 8pm, came to the bus to sell gala, shame on her face made her retreat.

Do I sympathize with them? Yes. Will I be of assistance to them? No. Not after offering this free education and enlightenment I just did. It has been a burning issue for me. People not capable of taking care of themselves go ahead to procreate, thereby bringing more persons to suffer. And they say I should not talk? Is not the same society we're in? I fear for my society.

The man who sold the land (how he spent the money, I don't know) couldn't buy common malaria drugs for his child when she was sick, yet he plans to conceive with his wife to bring a "boy". Someone should tell me, why shouldn't he be sterilized for his and the society's good?

I don talk and will still talk, people should give birth to children they can ADEQUATELY take proper care of. If they cannot, don't procreate at all. About the intellect aspect, if Singapore can achieve it, I believe we can (if sentiments will allow).

Gerrard59:


OK. I concede I was quite harsh but can you really blame me when I see these things almost on daily basis? The other day, a car almost hit a girl some what my sister's age as she was trying to sell pure water. Another one, by 8pm, came to the bus to sell gala, shame on her face made her retreat.

Do I sympathize with them? Yes. Will I be of assistance to them? No. Not after offering this free education and enlightenment I just did. It has been a burning issue for me. People not capable of taking care of themselves go ahead to procreate, thereby bringing more persons to suffer. And they say I should not talk? Is not the same society we're in? I fear for my society.

The man who sold the land (how he spent the money, I don't know) couldn't buy common malaria drugs for his child when she was sick, yet he plans to conceive with his wife to bring a "boy". Someone should tell me, why shouldn't he be sterilized for his and the society's good?

I don talk and will still talk, people should give birth to children they can ADEQUATELY take proper care of. If they cannot, don't procreate at all. About the intellect aspect, if Singapore can achieve it, I believe we can (if sentiments will allow).

what with you and Singapore.

oloyede252:

what with you and Singapore.

My model country. Had a friend from there and ever since I knew Lee Kuan Yew and what he did, I became addicted to anything Singapore.

Nigeria should emulate the likes of Singapore and South Korea.

oloyede252:

what with you and Singapore.

Gerrard59:


Yes it can work. However, sentiments coupled with excessive religiousity are our problems. Imagine people on the triplets thread supporting the man for bringing innocent children to suffer?
Yet, when I proffer solutions, people say I'm proud.

You don't know that they will suffer

missjo:

You don't know that they will suffer

If he stops procreating and find something useful/valuable doing, then yes, they wouldn't suffer. If otherwise, they'll. The stats don't lie.

Check my links:

- A cobbler and wife as a petty trader - 5 kids.

- Unemployed individual, wife doing nothing - 3 kids.

- Abuja sweeper, complains of working conditions - 6 children. C'mon, it's annoying.

For goodness sake, why shouldn't I support eugenics? Forced sterilization?

Gerrard59:


If he stops procreating and find something useful/valuable doing, then yes, they wouldn't suffer. If otherwise, they'll. The stats don't lie.

Check my links:

- A cobbler and wife as a petty trader - 5 kids.

- Unemployed individual, wife doing nothing - 3 kids.

- Abuja sweeper, complains of working conditions - 6 children. C'mon, it's annoying.

For goodness sake, why shouldn't I support eugenics? Forced sterilization?

LOL, all these people with their meagre earnings can raise kids who will become millionaires.
In fact, it has happened and is still happening.

Were your grandparents rich & educated?

Gerrard59:


My model country. Had a friend from there and ever since I knew Lee Kuan Yew and what he did, I became addicted to anything Singapore.

Nigeria should emulate the likes of Singapore and South Korea.

no wonder.

missjo:

LOL, all these people with their meagre earnings can raise kids who will become millionaires.
In fact, it has happened and is still happening.

[/b]Were your grandparents rich & educated?[b]

Both paternal and maternal, yes they were educated and they were comfortable enough to cater for their children; because they gave birth to children they could ADEQUATELY take proper care of.

Let me reiterate my stance: POOR (definition is: having a GDP per capita that cannot ADEQUATELY take proper care of the household. Brazil's GDP per capita as at 2013 was $11, 208, while Nigeria was $3,005. Brazil has 200 million persons, Nigeria? 176 million. Using such analogy, Nigerians should stop procreating and improve their economy) individuals shouldn't procreate, ditto, unintelligent beings. People should improve their IQ and resources before getting married talk more procreating.

Onegai:


I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying. I worked with them, people I know worked on the Free Malaria program, people I know are working in GHs and LUTH till tomorrow and I knew pharmacists, Doctors and more who felt bad about what was going on. And most of the corruption was not being done by connected individuals. Patients constantly made poor decisions (we fed a child whose parents left her to starve on admission whilst they threw owambe to celebrate the son they had been trying for since. My siblings came home in bruises because awon boys brought their leader, stabbed and bleeding and when they were told to go to Blood bank and buy blood, reacted by beating up doctors and nurses. I guess those behaviours are the fault of Govt! No problem, let us sit down and wait for Govt to "do their job", we all have nothing to do with it). And if those stealing were all "wining and dining" with govt, I would certainly be amazed. Or maybe all the ghost workers were all commissioners. You can keep attacking the OP, he is guilty of expressing himself very badly. The actual idea behind his words is something that bears thought: Don't have kids you cannot afford to take care of. Nobody can judge who is intelligent or not to have children because there everyone has different criteria but everyone knows it is dangerous to have a large, poor, uneducated and unemployed population. Just ask the North .

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Gerrard59:
@TV01, nice points you posited. However, humans are greedy by nature.

Thank you. However, you have not shown that you are reconsidering your thesis, in whole or in part. So let me ask this;

If human nature is "greedy" (and any other ill), should not any solution, be it genetic engineering or some other, focus on removing the greed, or the outcomes of the greed, not punishing those who suffer from it?`

A lot of people in Nigeria are suffering from the effects of other peoples greed - manifested as corruption - shouldn't the greedy be dealt with, not those who suffer as a consequence?

I and others have asked you about wider questions of disability, and other criteria including race etc. Why should these not also be "engineered"? Who calls the shots here?

And finally, have you researched the on-going outworking of some of this social engineering in Singapore. Google the phrase, many are lamenting some of the negative outcomes.

With the best intentions (and they are often not), the foresight is simply lacking to factor in all the variable. Singaporeans typically aim for high status, high paying jobs, the standard, D, Accountant Engineer etc. And the engineered and indoctrinated accordingly.

Now they have a more generous border policy, so employers are happy to hire the labour cheaper from abroad. Human greed . And that's just one consequence, apart from a hyper class syndrome and native Singaporeans unwilling to take lower level jobs.

You simply can't - and will not - achieve any kind of utopia until His Kingdome comes.

Amen.


TV

Gerrard59:

For goodness sake, why shouldn't I support eugenics? Forced sterilization?

Because it was the false science that gave Hitler the backing to commit genocide against the Jews.
Few people sat down and decided they had a right to see others as inferior creatures therefore could make them not reproduce and infact kill them all off if possible. It is a very dangerous school of thought and I kindly urge you to drop it.

No human has a right to say another is too unintelligent or ugly to reproduce.
Such talk might have merit if there's a possibility of the offspring being born with severe genetic problems as seen in incestous relationships or that of parents who are carriers to fatal illnesses.
Otherwise that's just preposterous.

I do support poor people only having the number of kids they can take care of. That's what I meant when I said I agree with you. Not that talk about eugenics.

cococandy:


Because it was the false science that gave Hitler the backing to commit genocide against the Jews.
Few people sat down and decided they had a right to see others as inferior creatures therefore could make them not reproduce and infact kill them all off if possible. It is a very dangerous school of thought and I kindly urge you to drop it.

No human has a right to say another is too unintelligent or ugly to reproduce.
Such talk might have merit if there's a possibility of the offspring being born with severe genetic problems as seen in incestous relationships or that of parents who are carriers to fatal illnesses.
Otherwise that's just preposterous.

I do support poor people only having the number of kids they can take care of. That's what I meant when I said I agree with you. Not that talk about eugenics.

Hitler wasn't even the first to proclaim Eugenics. Winston Churchill liked the idea, so did several other people that are popularly quoted on NL (if we dislike anyone at some point supported Eugenics, we would have to put our phones down and stop drinking cereal as well ). The Americans used it and the bible to justify slavery. I have a picture of the actual value items of the price of a Nigerian slave and you know what, we are still selling our people cheaply . Even when the British tried to abolish slavery, Nigerian chiefs wrote to them complaining. Eugenics will start in Africa if anybody carries it out.

Gerrard59, abeg I don't want to euthanised just yet o